By on August 19, 2012

Brazil was once VW’s home away from home. Here, it felt loved and welcome. It controlled 50 percent of the market. Time passed. An Italian upstart arrived and eventually robbed it of first place by being more agile. VW meanwhile grew bigger appetites and found a new home in China.  Brazil, the ex-favorite, the dark, mysterious, tropical, big bosomed former love affair relies on the crumbs that fall off the table of the slanted-eye enchantress.

Bertel Schmitt broke the news. He revealed that the Santana, Volkswagen’s engagement present for the Chinese lover, will find its way into homes all over lands south of the Rio Grande. It could eventually vie for the attention of those who live in the better-off portions of the Americas. Why not? Nissan’s Versa has proven that Americans are game. The VW Santana is nothing more than VW’s take on that car. A car that occupies a segment that is growing the world over. The B-segment sized car sold at A-segment sized prices. Right here on TTAC, I’ve covered more than a few of those cars. VW’s Santana will follow the trail blazed by Chevy’s Cobalt, Renault’s Logan, Nissan’s Versa, Peugeot’s 301 and even Fiat’s Grand Siena (another pretender for a place in Americans’ heart), not to mention the Toyota Etios, extensively and expertly covered by our own Bertel Schmitt.

According to reports on Brazilian enthusiast sites bestcars.com.br and webmotors.com.br, the car doesn’t quite follow the recipe first conceived by the Franco-Romanian collaboration of Renault-Dacia. Differently from Renault, Nissan, Fiat, Toyota and Chevrolet (which used their all new global small car platforms in a dedicated way to produce really brand-new spanking cars), the VW Santana sits on a time-tested (and by now fully amortized) PQ24 platform. Incontrast to Bertel’s report, Brazilian websites say that this and not the more modern PQ25 will be used. I tried to clear this up at VW Brasil. The nice folks there were not talking. In fact, they denied the car is even coming. Veteran VW do Brasil watchers, however, point out that when Volkswagen in Brazil denies something, it means it’s true. Time will tell then.

Stretching out the PQ24 platform, the new car is bigger than the Polo Sedan and smaller than the Jetta. It measures 4.47 m (14.67 ft.) in length, 1.71 m (5.61 ft.) in width, is 1.47 m (4.82 ft.) tall and, more importantly, has a wheelbase of 2.6 (8.53 ft.) m. In this case, VW closely follows the script written by earlier entrants into this segment. VW has also followed the unofficial class rules and has chosen to provide an uninspired design that helps keep production costs low. Inside, hard plastics and skimpy instrumentation alongside chrome bits that show potential buyers that it’s a cut above the lowly hatchbacks that dominate the base echelons of Third World markets.

To be launched at the Guangzhou Salon in China this year, in that country it will sold as of December. The Santana will come with 1.4 and 1.6 engines and a mechanical transmission with 5 gears or an auto with 6. In Brazil, rumors have it that it’ll make use of the locally made 1.6 and the Jurassic 2.0 offered on lowlier Jettas. Gearboxes will be the same mechanical 5-speed, though the 2.0 could come mated to a full 6-speed auto. Automated transmissions should also be available.

Guaranteed to create confusion, the car could either be called Santana or Jetta, depending on the market. In Brazil, VW will go with Santana and sales should start in the second half of 2013. As this car will kill the Polo and be placed below the Mexican-built Jetta, VW reasons that by using this hallowed name, it will be easier to convince Brazilians to part with their money. If you feel that this a cheap shot that only the most obtuse will not see through, I won’t argue.

In short, a car built to a price point. Using proven and cheap mechanicals while offering space for families looking for room or some degree of prestige for those who want to be seen as a step ahead of those in their A-segment hatches and sedans. A sure hit.

[Editor’s note: The news that both the new Chinese Jetta and the new Chinese Santana will be based on Volkswagen’s latest A0 Quer Platform A05, a.k.a. PQ25, and not on the previous gen A04/PQ24 version, was not broken by Bertel Schmitt. Carnewschina had it from Autocar The Brits allegedly test drove the new Jetta and wrote that both the new Chinese Jetta and the new Chinese Santana “are underpinned by a heavily reworked version of the Polo’s PQ25 platform with a more rugged torsion beam rear axle to cope with China’s unique road conditions.

As Marcelo said, time will tell whether British Autocar or Brazilian Bestcar is right. Honest to Buddha, I have no idea what of the story is true, and I know better than to ask Volkswagen what platform a car will be built on when it hasn’t been announced yet. All I know is that China’s Gasgoo wrote two weeks ago:

“Shanghai VW's new Santana and FAW-VW's new Jetta, respectively codenamed VW253 and VW253-2, are already in the works. Despite the fact that they are being designed separately, they will both share the PQ25 platform, which is currently used in the VW Polo and Skoda Fabia.”

But then, what does Gasgoo know. They also write  that “the original Santana was the first model Shanghai VW imported from Brazil.” Humbug. The first Shanghai Santanas were built from CKD kits shipped from Germany, soon thereafter, everything was built locally.

PQ24 or PQ25 does not matter anyway. Either would be a vast improvement over the previous platforms that were born when yours truly was a budding copywriter. And that was a long, long time ago.

The current Chinese Santana is based on the old, 1970s style B2 platform, which was basically the same as that of the old Audi 80/4000. The Santana was reworked several times.

The current Chinese Jetta is based on Volkswagen’s likewise antique A2 platform. Think back to the disco age and Golf Mk2, and you are right there.  Generation Why: That was before your parents had sex.

Both Jetta and Santana led the seller lists in China well into the new millennium, giving SAIC and FAW little incentive to spend the money on something new. Most of Shanghai’s taxi fleet is still Santana-based. Beijing’s taxi fleet was an ocean of Jettas, until they were washed-out by a flood of Beijing-built Hyundais.]

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9 Comments on “PQ24 Or PQ25? Oriental Santana Mystery Disturbs Brazil...”


  • avatar
    drylbrg

    “Slanted-eye”? Really?

  • avatar
    oldwheelsnewyork

    Seriously. ‘Oriental’ and ‘slanted-eye’ have no place in any news outlet. The editors really dropped the ball here. If the goal is to have TTAC taken seriously by the mainstream- which, considering you’re often linked in the Times and other major outlets, it’s arguable y’all are – horribly racist epithets and stereotypes diminish your credence in journalism. This isn’t the first time you guys have skirted that line, and this is way over the top. It would be in your best interest to publish an apology.

    • 0 avatar

      My friend, neither “oriental” nor “slanted eye” are racial epithets. Nor are “round eye” or “Caucasian”. They describe the shapes of eyes, and types of people.

      Marcelo comes from a country where people do not have hang-ups with races.

      See that slanted eye oriental kid on my knee? That’s my Asian niece. My slanted eye oriental Asian wife is her aunt.

      She has no problem being called “oriental” or “Asian”. Says she:

      “As long as people don’t call me an effing Asian, or a yellow monkey, it’s alright.”

      Likewise, I do not have a problem when people call me a gaijin in Japan, or a laowei, or even a gweilo in China.

      Also, when people say “it would be in your best interest to …” then that’s usually a threat, and an attempt of coercion. In the interest of a continued enjoyment of posting privileges, I would not go there.

  • avatar
    oldwheelsnewyork

    From Merriam-Webster- “Slant-eyed: having slanted eyes – disparaging and offensive when used to describe a person of Asian ancestry.” The OED has a similar entry.

    I’m a professional editor for a major publisher of non-fiction in New York. One of my jobs is to make sure that no one- regardless of their background – could be hurt by phrases such as these. While your family might not find this offensive, I did, both personally and professionally. And obviously others did too.

    I had no intentions of coercion or threat. I felt a duty to post my comment, as someone who faithfully reads and supports TTAC. It troubles me greatly that instead of taking my comment’s content into consideration, you would dismiss my concerns in such a harsh manner and threaten my posting privileges.

    • 0 avatar

      I get extremely offended when someone accuses me of racism. Last warning.

    • 0 avatar
      dejal1

      I grew up with a family of Korean-Caucasian kids living around the corner in the 60s. They took a lot of crap, with “Slant-eye” being one of the more milder terms. Makes me cringe when I hear and read terms like that.

      Terms like that are used by people who have nothing else in their repertoire. I know this site is not US specific, but I would guess the vast majority of hits comes from the US. One would hope that we’ve moved a bit beyond all this.

  • avatar
    oldwheelsnewyork

    Mr. Schmitt: I never, in either of my comments, accused you of being racist. I don’t know why you’re singling me out when others have also similarly commented on the phrases used in this article.

  • avatar

    People:

    What some of the overexcited language watchers overlook is that both slant-eye and oriental were not used to disparage a person, but to describe a car.

    If someone can call a car a flying vagina, then I have no problem with affixing the slanted eye moniker to a Chinese car.

    However, if someone would address my wife as “you old slant-eye,” then there would be hell to pay.

    And that concludes today’s lesson in international relations.


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