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  • avatar
    GS650G

    38 K plus taxes and no V-8? How can a RS package not have the V-8?

  • avatar
    jeremyb

    GS650G :

    That is a $33k car before the $4600 wheel upgrade.

  • avatar
    talkstoanimals

    The more I see of the new Camaro the more I begin to think of it as the fat Elvis to the cool Elvis of the ’69 Camaro.

    The more svelte and less cartoonish ’10 Mustang GT, on the other hand, makes me want to buy a pony car for the first time in my life.

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    The V6 makes a decent amount of power, but this chassis needs the V8 to make it come alive. The V6 doesn’t have enough twist to rotate the rear end at will. I haven’t drive the V8 yet in this car, but the G8 GXP was certainly a blast. And there’s no way a coupe could drive worse than a big sedan, right?

    TrueDelta should have some initial reliability stats on the new Camaro in February. Thanks to moderncamaro.com more owners have been joining lately.

    Always looking for more participants for all cars. 42,000 car owners with 51,500 cars signed up so far.

    http://www.truedelta.com/reliability.php

  • avatar
    KixStart

    To echo another, $38K and no V-8? What the…?

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    And there’s no way a coupe could drive worse than a big sedan, right?

    Have you been in both the 5- and 6-Series?

    I’m actually pretty amenable to the V6. A little tweaking of the suspension and tires and I think you’d give the V8 some competition. As such, the base Camaro really is an excellent canvas for such improvement, provided you do it yourself and save the cost of the RS package.

  • avatar
    John R

    Pass.

  • avatar
    Blunozer

    Ignoring all the other stuff, why is GM unable to design a 4000lb car with a sunroof that can fit a 6’2″ driver?

    Instant fail as far as this 6’2″ driver is concerned. I shouldn’t have to do the “gangsta lean” in a car that size.

  • avatar
    Autopassion

    This might be persuasive…
    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=156708?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*

  • avatar
    Bancho

    I’ve seen a few of these on the road and one of my neighbors bought one. I just can’t get used to the super high beltline and ultra low roofline though. It’s a design that works so much better on a poster in the garage than in a real life vehicle. For my money the redesigned Mustang (with the upcoming 3.7L V6) would be the better way to go vs. a base Camaro (if you intended to drive it on a daily basis).

    Then again, I can’t deny the smile on my neighbor’s face when he squeezed his family in the car and cruised around the neighborhood. I hope Chevy sells a bunch and can find a way to actually make a profit. Having the Camaro around to compare against the Mustang can only help keep Ford on their toes.

  • avatar
    GS650G

    That is a $33k car before the $4600 wheel upgrade.
    Ok, a 33 K pony car and no V-8?

    Better?

    This is what killed the old camaro: expensive.

  • avatar

    Chevy had been using the RS label for six-cylinder cars for quite some time on previous generations. And the original Rally Sport package was purely an appearance option — concealed headlamps and RS identification — not a performance feature. So, that’s no big deal.

    I find this car even less desirable than its V8-powered gen4 predecessors. For one, it’s hard to distinguish it from a Challenger at a distance. I don’t particularly like the Challenger, either, but it’s a more cohesive design effort, and this car (coincidentally or not) looks derivative. It’s tolerable from the front, if you can get over the squinty-eyed grille (which I find difficult), undistinguished in profile, and the real clip just doesn’t work. I have to disagree with Roman, in that I don’t find any great qualitative difference between the base model and the more expensive version with its pricey cosmetic options.

    Being stared at by people whose approval I don’t care to cultivate (teenagers, children, rednecks) is not something on which I place a premium. And while 305 hp ain’t hay, if I’m going to look like this much of a prat, I should at least get all-conquering torque for my trouble. If I were shopping in this price range (and I’m going to assume that sub-$30K Camaros will be hard to come by for a while), I’d get an Infiniti G37 coupe, which would drive better and make me feel like slightly less of an asshole.

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    GS650G, the 2010 Mustang GT Premium I test drove was $37,900 MSRP (plus markup) and all it had was an automatic transmission and Shaker Sound system.

    It did not have 20″ wheels, Brembo brakes, and summer tires standard on the Camaro SS. It’s also one gear and over 100hp down. It also didn’t have IRS or a truly usable backseat like the Camaro.

    The Camaro is priced right in line with the Mustang (which is actually nowhere near as cheap as people online seem to think it is) and offers a much better value and much more modern car for the money.

  • avatar
    jeremyb

    This is the highest option list that I have seen on a V6 model.

    Base price of 2LT (leather, heated seats, Boston Acoustics sound, Bluetooth, remote start, leather wrapped steering wheel, and console guages):
    $26,875

    Freight charge: 795

    Auto tranny: 1185

    Paint upcharge for Red Jewel: 325

    21″ wheel package: 4680

    RS package: 1450

    Power sunroof: 900

    Total $36,210 based on the Chevrolet website

    This car would need another $1790 in parts department accessories to total 38 grand. I am going to assume the reviewer has his facts wrong.

    The Camaro can be had cheap if it is not loaded to the extent of this tester.

    Take the LS model (standard power windows/locks/mirrors, keyless entry, cruise, CD, sat. radio, and Onstar).
    $22,345

    Freight charge: 795

    6 speed manual tranny 0.00

    Total $23,040

  • avatar

    $38,540.00 that is the factory sticker price on my tester 2LT Rally Sport Coupe.

    $285 for body colored engine cover
    $150 for compact wheel and tire
    $2265 ground effects package

    I could keep going, but rest assured I can copy the price from the sticker with the best of them…so yes indeed I have my facts right.

    BTW: Good luck getting a Camaro from any dealer for $22,345. The only current way to get one of those base models is to rent it.

  • avatar
    jeremyb

    Roman Mica:

    The Camaro in the video does not the GFX installed.

    The stripper V6 can be easily had, though most dealers order the higher end models.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    The Camaro can be had cheap if it is not loaded to the extent of this tester.

    If you can restrict yourself to the LS trim, it’s a screaming deal of a car. Not only do you get to opt out of the headroom-robbing sunroof, but you can gleefully spend the thousands of dollars GM dings you for cosmetic frippery on a set of lightweight wheels and very good tires. You also drop two hundred pounds of mass and nice canvas for suspension upgrades.

    It would be nice to see GM offer a version of the LS trim with the V8—a “track pack” version, as it were—because there’s not a lot of performance support for the six.

    Good luck getting a Camaro from any dealer for $22,345. The only current way to get one of those base models is to rent it.

    That’s true. I haven’t seen a single base Camaro and there don’t seem to be any in any local dealer’s inventory. I think this is GM’s strategy to milk early adopters for whatever they can.

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    Good catch, that’s a dealer installed option. Thanks for pointing it out.

  • avatar
    Jeff Puthuff

    Nice brake squeak. How many miles on this demo?

  • avatar
    rudiger

    Bancho: “I just can’t get used to the super high beltline and ultra low roofline though.”Well, GM had to do something ‘dramatic’ to differentiate the Camaro from the Challenger. They still look quite similiar as it is. What’s ironic is the situation is exactly the same as it was when the originals were around. In those days, Chrysler was always styling their cars to look like GM’s prior models. The original E-bodies were no exception.psarhjinian: “If you can restrict yourself to the LS trim, it’s a screaming deal of a car.”A no-option car is a low-profit car to a dealer/company so the majority either get ordered or just come in loaded up with unnecessary, outrageously-inflated options. The biggest problem is that virtually all manufacturers no longer offer a la carte options to keep the price down but, instead, bundle nearly all of the most desirable options into high-priced packages. It’s a sleazy trick with the idea that consumers won’t be able to grasp how badly they’re getting screwed. Want cruise control? Figure on dropping at least $1500 since it only comes in a package (on most vehicles, anyway – it’s standard on some like the Camaro). It’s a shame because it seems like using a more reasonable option pricing strategy might result in more overall vehicle sales.

    OTOH, if an automatic transmission is a requirement, the base Dodge Challenger SE can be a great choice, too (automatic is standard).

  • avatar
    lutonmoore

    One of these things smoked me on the way home from work today. I was driving the speed limit, 45 mph and then stopped at the pedestrian crosswalk on the road beside the air base. When I started moving again he passed me and proceeded to disappear. Not bad for a V6. I assume the price will get better over time for a stripper with a manual. That’s assuming GM makes a go of it for the long run.

  • avatar

    FYI: My tester had just over 4K miles but you can bet they were hard miles.

  • avatar
    onerareviper

    21 MPG highway? You sure about that? Every other review I read says 29 MPG highway. Other than that, nice review. That being said, anyone that actually spends this kind of money on a V6 is ‘coo-coo for coco puffs’.

  • avatar
    DearS

    I like all the sporty cars around right now. Even though I think I’m pretty selective, I like seeing others having their fun and reminding me what I like so much. I like fun to drive cars, comfy, sporty, elegant, luxurious and most importantly dynamic. The Camaro is probably dynamic, but still needs a bit of work, sounds really exciting to me. I can’t wait to drive a better car. Thank you GM for your effort, no sarcasm. I like to see others happy. Still I’m after something else I think. A BMW 5 (I own an older one), or um.. I’m not sure.

  • avatar
    kurkosdr

    If you are of the people that like this car, chances are you are gonna buy it, no matter what other people say. Much like Alfas here in Europe.

    Anyway, isn’t the V8 what we all want? What’s the point of offering this stripped down “RS” version? And at the price of 33K? Why? Too much for too little. Also, it’s said that the car has some quality issues, mostly loose fluid plugs and loose plastics. So, price should be even lower. So, here you get it, GM is repeating the same deadly sins again. If you ask me, it should be 30K for the V8 version. You now, just like the good old days, when GM was actually making profit.

    Anyway, onto the car: I think this is how a muscle car should be made.
    We do not need trunk space, neither back seat. And no, it’s not a good idea try and make one out of a Mercedes E-class chassis (*chough* challenger *cough*).
    It should be flexible, small and with lot’s under the hood. Just like the V-8 camaro. So, here it is, GM can design a good car. They just can manufacture and sell it. As usual.

  • avatar
    dpeppers

    This site is getting over the top. I haven’t read most comments. It seems everyone has caught the B.S. the “reviewer” is passing off about the price. The standard “RS” package includes the more attractive 20″ wheels for $1795. Twenty-nine thousand will buy cloth, hole in the roof, and fancy headlamps. Along with the nicer bluetooth radio. I’ll repeat a comment “The test car doesn’t have the optional 2200 dollar body kit”. Come on TTAC at least watch the video yourself.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    Anyway, isn’t the V8 what we all want?

    Yes, but it’s also more than a lot of people can afford. The nice thing about the Camaro is that the base engine is actually very good. You can own the car and not hate yourself whenever you see the V8, which is certainly not something you can say about the 3,5L-equipped Challenger or, until next year, the base Mustang.

    Again, the base car makes a great canvas for modification. Every review of the Camaro cites heaviness as it’s problem; a few thousand thrown at the V6 car for tires, wheels and simple suspension upgrades would net you a very satisfying car.

    The problem is that you can’t get base Camaros (only gougers like the RS), and the base Mustang gets an engine upgrade next year, is already more “fun” to drive and is already well-supported for that kind of upgrade.

  • avatar
    GarbageMotorsCo.

    Gentlemen, start your mullets. Hotter than a one-toothed bimbo at the trailerpark.

    Yeehaw

  • avatar
    shaker

    The RS is now a trim package available for both the V6 and the SS models – it does not refer to the V6 (as it did in the 4th Gen).

    “21MPH” Highway? Wow – must have gotten 30 + MPG at those speeds…

    This review is way off-base (sic), as the car is a pimped-up version that dealers are trying to foist on people for maximum profit – next year, there will be plenty of $26k Camaros (2LT with RS) – Dealers are ripping off while they can.

    Was that car a stick or auto? Couldn’t tell by the review. Four minutes, and I don’t know how the clutch works? Geez.

    You complain about having to recline the seatback to fit under the sunroof, yet your arm is not stretched out to reach the steering wheel, and you look perfectly comfortable.

    This review is much worse than the previous 2 that I’ve seen – harping on the expense of option packages wastes too much time and does the “potential) buyer little service.

  • avatar

    FYI: My video reviews are really about trying to capture the feel and emotion of the car because I believe that many people buy cars with their hearts and not their heads.

    Think of me as the car whisperer ;-)

    I figure if you want the technical specifications and all of the basic specs you can get those after you watch the video.

    What does the car make you feel like when you get behind the wheel? And what’s deep down inside the DNA of the car—Those are the questions I seek to answer in the video.

    BTW: my car was an automatic, I provide complete numbers and specs just not as part of the video review: http://bit.ly/4kXri

  • avatar
    onerareviper

    What about the 21 MPG highway? That doesn’t seem right… All other reviews show 29 MPG.

  • avatar
    GarbageMotorsCo.

    Hello squeeky brakes!

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Like your review, Roman…keep it up!

    Having said that, as far as looking at this car and sitting in it is concerned (I haven’t had a chance to drive one), the new Camaro just flat doesn’t do it for me.

    The styling seems muddled to me – too many themes trying to co-exist at once. Also, I agree 100% with Roman’s “sitting in a cave” assessment of the Camaro’s interior.

    I appreciated the interior style, but the ergonomics were way off, and I wasn’t impressed by the interior materials at all.

    I’m still a fan of the Mustang in this class – it has a light, nimble feel that the Challenger (and, per press reports, the Camaro) just don’t have.

  • avatar
    3isamagicnumber

    I’ve driven both the Camaro and Challenger. Both v6 versions. I believe these cars are aimed at old guys (like me) who always liked pony cars. These cars drive like big, heavy luxury cars, not sports cars. Maybe this is the target audience to purchase all of these cars. Do the young kids even like the Challenger or Camaro? I see nothing particularly sporting about big azz, heavy cars which ride like a luxury car.

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    Most RS V6 Camaros in 2LT trim I see on the lots are stickered at a hair over 30K with leather and roof. In todays market of 21K Ford Focus’s and Chevy Cobalt LT’s with leather and roof the 30K loaded Camaro sounds like a pretty good deal.

  • avatar
    energetik9

    I could care less about the V8 although 0-60 in 6 seconds in a 300hp car goes to show how heavy this car is. Give me a leaner car than can actually take a corner and a car I can actually fit in.

    Fail….

  • avatar
    joeveto3

    I agree. Fail.

    Too big, too heavy.

    And look at GM trying to get all uppity with the sunroof option instead of offering the Camero (sic) faithful proper t-tops.

    If you don’t have to turn up Winger to drown out the squeaky t-top weather strips, it ain’t a Camero. (again, sic)

  • avatar
    TexasAg03

    Sorry. I’ll take the V8 with the RS package, moonroof, and a couple other options for a bit over $37k.

  • avatar
    kurkosdr

    Wow, hadn’t noticed the squeaky brakes! Big embarassment. My 10 year old fiat doesn’t have squeaky brakes. Points deducted from the reviewer’s score for not bringing this up, and even more for turning music up to cover it up. Like kids would say, Lolz

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    I’m surprised your 10 year old Fiat still runs! That said I’m wouldn’t worry about squeaky brakes with any GM vehicle. At least the aluminum wheels on both of mine aren’t continuously black like that german car I used to have parked in my garage.

    And hello you can’t find a strippo Camaro on any of the dealer lots because guess what, no one wants one. But I’m sure you got right with it’s just GM’s way of price gouging. Get real.

  • avatar
    jacksonbart

    How many months before the interior bits begin to squeak?

  • avatar
    idcwhatmyusernameis

    Just a response to all comments/video above: I’m 6’1″ and I have about 3-4 inches of head room in my 2LT, V6, RS camaro and my seat is straight up. (but thats without a sunroof but I don’t really like sunroofs)Personally I love this car. MPG is about 20 for me (thats hwy and city combined)I think I can get that a little higher if I could slow down, ha. The interior is a little dull but I still like it. If you put $12,000 of optional accessories on the car that is YOUR CHOICE, thats why its called optional. I got the RS package and that was really enough. The car looks very “sexy”, I don’t have the $2000 tires but I don’t have the base tires. Anything above the base tires is going to look good. I did find the limited view a big problem, with the blind spots but I quickly adapted. The only BIG negative thing I can see is that it might be a little to heavy and make things slightly dangerous but hell, I’m not doing any SERIOUS performance driving. I guess I sound like a die hard but I’m just sharing my thoughts.


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