By on January 28, 2022

Following the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to block proposed OSHA regulations backed by the Biden administration, it was assumed that automakers would quickly begin weighing in on vaccine rules now that there would be no federal obligation. However, they’ve actually been keeping quiet on the matter, with Stellantis being the first manufacturer to walk back previous requirements.

While the automaker had previously been working up to companywide vaccine mandates, it pushed back its vaccine deadline for early January. This week, Stellantis confirmed that it will be abandoning the scheme entirely after suggesting that the existing compliance rates were sufficient. Though something tells me that executives have become aware of the swelling pushback against COVID restrictions and became concerned with the optics. 

There’s presently a 45-mile long (claimed) convoy of U.S. and Canadian truckers that are headed for Ottawa to protest government mandates and drumming up support along the way. Believed to be the largest organized grouping of motor vehicles in human history, the “Freedom Convoy” left Vancouver earlier in the week to give the Canadian capital a piece of its mind about what’s been going on over the last two years. While focused on undoing government mandates in the general sense, its primary target is new rules that require every trucker crossing the U.S.-Canadian border to be fully vaccinated or face a mandatory 14-day quarantine period.

The group has numerous social media accounts, with the biggest showing 300,000 supporters on Facebook, and has managed to raise $5.5 million (Canadian) from 70,000 donations on GoFundMe. Though accessing the money might be difficult, as GoFundMe opted to freeze the money after citing allegedly suspicious activity. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has also called the group a “fringe minority” holding “unacceptable views.” Meanwhile, Ottawa’s police chief is telling locals to stay home and avoid the protest when it comes into town this weekend.

“Let me be very clear: we are prepared to investigate, arrest if necessary, charge and prosecute anyone who acts violently or breaks the law in the demonstrations, or in association with the demonstrations,” Chief Peter Sloly said Friday morning. “We have the capability and commitment to pursue investigations and prosecutions well after the demonstrations have ended.”

Police also said they were monitoring “inappropriate and threatening language on social media related to this event” and that there would be consequences for people who engaged in criminal conduct.

Similar warnings have been issued in cities across the world over as lockdown protests have become increasingly common. European cities routinely saw tens of thousands of people marching in opposition to government mandates throughout the latter half of 2021. The same has been true in Australia, Canada, and the United States with legacy media frequently framing protestors as political extremists.

Truckers have refuted those accusations.

“I’m here [in Ontario] today so we can get our freedom back from Mr. Trudeau who is running our country not very appropriately. I’m a vaccinated truck driver, I cross the border weekly. I don’t have a problem with the vaccine, but I have a problem because we should have the right to choose what we want to do and not lose our jobs over it,” Marie Weir told local outlet Orilla Matters on Thursday. “If you don’t get vaccinated you can’t cross the border. There’s nurses, doctors, PSWs, everybody – if you’re not vaccinated you lose your job. Where’s our economy going to go? It’s not fair to you and I.”

While I cannot pretend to know what’s in the heart of every individual protestor, the Freedom Convoy has been explicit in stating that it’s really only interested in a return to normalcy. Organizers have said that vaccine mandates are creating disastrous problems with supply chains and would continue to even if compliance was universal. Though their keystone argument is that the Canadian government has overstepped its bounds and needs to revoke any-and-all mandates pertaining to the pandemic. Truckers also got some impromptu support from Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who praised them over social media.

“Canadian truckers rule,” Musk tweeted on Thursday. “CB radios are free from govt/media control.”

Clearly aware of the widening factional divide, Stellantis is walking a tightrope with its messaging. Thus far, it has only confirmed that it will be nixing vaccine requirements for salaried, non-union workers living in the United States. The company estimates that an overwhelming majority of those employees had already been vaccinated (even before its November 2020 mandate), with the only real change being that they’ll not be subjected to boosters. But it’s still strongly encouraging staff to take the vaccine and follow health and safety guidance from the Centers for Disease Control.

“Protecting the health and safety of all Stellantis employees has been guiding the implementation of policies and protocols related to COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic,” spokeswoman Jodi Tinson told The Detroit News. “We continue to encourage all employees to get vaccinated and, when eligible, boosted as the most effective way to prevent serious COVID-19 illness. We will continue to monitor the situation and the guidance of public health authorities to make any modifications necessary to ensure we are doing everything we can to protect our workforce.”

Other employees are subject to UAW guidance, which had already expressed hesitancy to endorse mandates after pushback from members. Stellantis thinks around half of its union workers had already self-certified their vaccination status, though the UAW will have to negotiate health and safety rules before members are required to do anything.

Ford has not yet updated its stance on vaccine requirements or testing and had previously been requiring salaried workers to get injected by January 4th or be subject to disciplinary action. Meanwhile, General Motors has been extremely vocal in its endorsement of COVID mandates but has failed to implement any formal requirements for workers to get vaccinated.

The above is only true for the United States, however. In Canada, GM had demanded that all personnel and visitors would be “fully vaccinated” (an ever-evolving term) by December 12th, 2021. Ford launched a nearly identical plan but has repeatedly pushed back the deadline with the current date being March 28th.

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188 Comments on “Stellantis Makes Decision on Vaccine, Truckers Head to Ottawa...”


  • avatar
    mleitman

    This article seems to suggest that truckers generally are opposed to vaccine mandates and other restrictions. It is indeed a very small subset of them (and the broader Canadian population who oppose them. Case in point: https://cantruck.ca/canadian-trucking-alliance-statement-to-those-engaged-in-road-border-protests/

    • 0 avatar
      Matt Posky

      All this link does is show that the CTA supports government mandates. Its mention that truckers are predominantly vaccinated is irrelevant. A lot of people protesting are vaccinated and simply oppose the new mandates, which is mentioned in the article. But I have no idea if they’re a majority of minority of all truckers working in Canada and have seen no evidence to support/refute either claim.

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      Kingston Ontario police reported the following regarding the actual size of the convoy at 9:35am

      17 full tractor trailers
      104 tractors with no trailers
      424 passenger vehicles
      6 RVS

      As there are approximately 420,000 large commercial freight trucks in Canada and another 300,000 smaller commercial trucks, the above seems to indicate a rather insignificant minority are involved.

      Also if they are ‘protesting’ a mandatory vaccine requirement to cross the Canada-US border, does the American government not require the same?

      If so, then what do they expect to accomplish?

      • 0 avatar
        jkross22

        Perhaps they’re simply marching/driving for a cause. You know, like most of the BLM protestors, Vietnam/Iraq War protestors, etc.

        • 0 avatar
          Imagefont

          And that cause would be, what? Ignorance? Stupidity? To show off their third grade education? To show how easily the intellectually challenged can be swayed by Facebook?
          Some cause.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        I’ll point out it is winter -and you *get* winter more than we do-, a large number of those trucks you cite are going to be corporate owned and thus not involved, and finally anyone there is on their own free accord meaning they are not working or burning vacation time. I can’t speak for your country but corporate America has largely been silent on the DC Junta’s various lies and illegal actions, I imagine many of your corporate leaders behind closed doors feel a similar way.

        “If so, then what do they expect to accomplish?”

        Other than to call Justine on his bullsh!t, I’m not sure (last I read he’s MIA like a coward but please correct me). Your government works very differently than ours and AFAIK you are not conferred the same rights as we are in our Constitution.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “you are not conferred the same rights as we are in our Constitution.”

          I’d have to do a side by side comparison.
          Free speech and right to lawful protest is allowed but we aren’t as tolerant when it comes to slander/libel and mis/disinformation.

          We don’t have firearms entrenched into our constitution.

          Our constitution is young as we used to fall under British law and the British North America Act.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            “We don’t have firearms entrenched into our constitution.”

            Then you are in fact not conferred the same rights in your Constitution that we are in ours. Likely because militias and personally owned firearms weren’t central to your nation’s independence as it was ours.

            You guys sure do love to talk about our government though.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Let me give you an update. British Empire is about to end. Totally. You’re reporting to the Queen. Well, she is 95 and there is nobody to replace her.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “You guys sure do love to talk about our government though”

            @Art Vandelay- kinda hard to ignore the 800 lb gorilla in the room.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          @28 Canadians have to a degree more actual freedoms/rights than Americans. That is primarily due to the fear Americans were indoctrinated with after 9-11. A terrible event but one that at no time threatened American democracy or the American system. But has been used to diminish the rights and freedoms of Americans.

          As for ‘illegal’ acts. The vast majority of legal decisions have upheld the COVID related actions of the governments. And remember there is no ‘government’. There are multiple governments (federal, provincial, territorial, regional and municipal) and they often disagree and work hard to preserve their own bailiwicks.

          For example mandatory vaccinations have been a requirement for schools, some professions and the military for decades.

          As an employer we have welcomed many of the provincial government interventions as they are preferable to having to reduce/close operations due to massive infection rates among our workers. But then we were/are an essential service and continued operating throughout the pandemic.

          Trudeau, proved his ‘manhood’ in the ring. No other western leader, or Putin would be able to stand up to him physically. That being said, I am not a fan of his. Like the USA, we seem to be lacking in the calibre of our politicians.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I had already reached adulthood by then so I grew up in the United States of America, not Amerika, which is what has emerged since then. I read once a draft of the [Not] Patriot Act was actually written in 1993 and floated after the 1993 WTC bombing. Given events of the 1980s into the 90s, I could fully see them wanting to implement “Amerika” right after the fall of the Soviet Empire (which fits Golitsyn’s prediction) but using the 1993 WTC bombing (or 1995 OKC bombing) as pretext. When I make my multi-millions I’ll have to take some time in the Congressional record of the period and see if I’m right and there was talk of what became the Patriot Act in 1993 or 1995.

            “As for ‘illegal’ acts. The vast majority of legal decisions have upheld the COVID related actions of the governments.”

            The Brandon Administration was well aware of its illegal orders and quite frankly impeachment proceedings should have begun shortly thereafter. However when you have enough of government backing you and de facto control all major media, its much easier to slide toward a dictatorship which is sadly what has been slowly occurring. I’m sure it started sooner than now, but they are governing the US via the Overton Window now – not the rule of law:

            https://www.mackinac.org/OvertonWindow

            If we examine the results of the recent legal rulings, we see how they effectively contradict each other and I suspect this was negotiated through back channels. (e.g. something along the lines of injecting the whole country goes too far and would cause too much chaos, but yeah you can wreck healthcare). The correct ruling was 9-0 after perhaps a day of arguments but slowly US institutions have been eroded to the place we are today (some argue the Court since Bush v Gore does not want to be put in purely political situations which those illegal orders are).

            The two things I expect to happen now:

            1. the forces of evil will pivot their injection to being an “annual shot” and use existing flu shot case law despite the fact the injection is not a time tested and proven flu shot. If they buy enough talented lawyers and judges I imagine they will succeed.

            2. they wanted to hit US healthcare because like automobiles they want to artificially shrink treatment supply, as well as weed out any remaining Americans.

            I will add I believe #2 was important to them because they may drop another weapon on our heads after Brandon is replaced later this year and limiting treatment multiplies the casualties without the optics of directly doing so. By evaluating the discovered treatment options of the first, they could fine tune the next one where those would not work. Yes, Amerika is at war with Americans.

            “Trudeau, proved his ‘manhood’ in the ring”

            I’m not sure to what you refer but if he stepped into a boxing ring kudos to him but any fight with him would be rigged in some way.

            If he wants to prove his manhood and principles, he can take his security detail and approach the protesters to debate. If any leader could so this safely it would be a Canadian one, no one is going to hurt him. Just having the balls to do so would earn him true respect, even if it was partially staged with protest “leaders”.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Arthur Dailey – Great points. Canadian healthcare management isn’t under the federal domain other than cross border rules. Each province manages their own healthcare.

            I’m not a fan of Justin either. He’s a performing arts fool . Maybe next election but that all depends upon the NDP party and Conservatives. The Conservatively typically only get elected when the vote splits between the 2 left wing parties and they have a strong leader. Gerrymandering and voter suppression doesn’t exist in Canada.

        • 0 avatar
          mikey

          Thursday was wicked cold (even for us !) ..So I see groups of people standing on the bridges waving the Flag. All in support of the truckers .
          I get that ..During the winter months we depend on U.S truckers to keep us in fresh fruit and vegetables . %90 of the Canadian and U.S Truckers are fully vaccinated ..Me too. So I can’t get to shook up over the truckers Convoy..

          While crossing a bridge , my lady friend pointed out a group of adults and small children bundled up and waving a.. F%#& Trudeau flag …Seriously this is responsible parenting ?

          I liked it better when we were the “polite Canadians “

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @mikey – Add to that where protesters beat up a homeless man, swarmed a soup kitchen and bullied the staff into feeding them. Add to that parking vehicles on the monument and tomb of the Unknown Soldier as well as urinating/deficating on the tomb. Sh!t was also done to the Terry Fox Memorial.
            At least no one was killed.

      • 0 avatar
        snelson134

        That’s because the Ontario Gestapo has a vested interest in lying… Just like the CBC does.

        https://tinyl.io/5d85

        “Take, for example, this video, posted to the Twitter account of a Canadian who calls himself “Unacceptable Rowan,” that appears to show members of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) aiming its cameras away from the larger crowds, in what was criticized as an attempt to diminish for their viewers the amount of support the truckers are receiving.”

      • 0 avatar
        snelson134

        “Take, for example, this video, posted to the Twitter account of a Canadian who calls himself “Unacceptable Rowan,” that appears to show members of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) aiming its cameras away from the larger crowds, in what was criticized as an attempt to diminish for their viewers the amount of support the truckers are receiving.”

        https://tinyl.io/5d86

        • 0 avatar
          Ottawakata

          No conclusions can be drawn from the video linked to above, it’s completely without context. Reporters gather at least 10 minutes of footage for every minute of coverage they air – unless the final piece that went out shows the reporter misrepresented the size of the crowd, then the clip posted here and how it has been characterized is the real fake news.

        • 0 avatar
          Ottawakata

          No conclusions can be drawn from the video linked to above, it’s completely without context. Reporters gather at least 10 minutes of footage for every minute of coverage they air – unless the final piece that went out shows the reporter misrepresented the size of the crowd, then the clip posted here and how it has been characterized is the real fake news.

    • 0 avatar
      Master Baiter

      “It is indeed a very small subset of them…”

      When it comes to basic human rights, should the size of the minority matter?

      For example, gays are a small subset of the population too, so they should just all be fired, right?

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Master Baiter that’s quite the conflation. No one is being held down and forcibly injected. One can chose Vaccines or travel restrictions. Take your pick. Truckers aren’t being fired that I know of. My comment is related to truckers in Canada.

        • 0 avatar
          Master Baiter

          “… that’s quite the conflation…”

          OK, I’ll change my metaphor since you seem to lack sufficient imagination to understand my point.

          Gays are a small subset of the population too, so they should just not be allowed to travel, right?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Master Baiter – still a conflation. Get vaccinated and follow laws and you can travel. Same applies to Truckers.

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          Othering people won’t advance the cause. It’s making society worse. It’s making people trust less. How can people not see this?

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          @Lou

          If you give a mouse a cookie…

        • 0 avatar
          Daniel J

          Lou-BC

          That’s like saying just live the opposite sex and you can still marry. See how easy it is to comply? Else you like the same sex? Oh you get none of those rights and privelages.

          At least that’s how it was sold to me by the left 10 years ago.

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            @Daniel J:

            Being unvaccinated is a choice, abd a foolish one at that. An individual can go get vaccinated any time they want to.

            Being gay (in your example), or any other minority, is not a choice and cannot changed through 15-minute appointment with a nurse.

            Your argument is falling flat because the vaccinated can CHOOSE to start acting like adults and go get vaccinated at any time.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        I was always told size didn’t matter. Now I’m wondering of that was a lie too :)

        It’s a 43 mile long convoy. The next largest trucking convoy on record was 5 miles long. This is a big deal but I am not surprised that the mouth breather Trudeau would downplay this. He wants total and absolute control just like the libs in the USA.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          @EB More misinformation. Look at the number of vehicles and you can calculate the length of the convoy. Very few actual truckers but quite a few professional/permanent agitators.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            Not misinformation at all. That is directly from people who are in the air seeing it.

            Downplay it all you want, but you can’t dismiss this away.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            It is misinformation. The police have conducted official counts and released the information.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            Yes I’m sure they have. And they’ve been totally honest too.

            Ignore the video and pictures that have been shown though. Those are clearly manipulated.

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            Mr. Math here.

            At 100km/h proper following distance [in fair weather] is something like 365 feet.

            551 vehicles spread out over 70km of roadway implies average spacing of 417 feet (including vehicle length).

            Take the 417 less the average vehicle length, and our Canadian friends are driving relatively prudently.

            [Easy to check – no square terms.]

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Arthur
            did you take CNN “misinformation” class, or just caught misinformation virus.

          • 0 avatar
            golden2husky

            No he will be given detention watching Fox and OAN, with some Infowars thrown it. He can then catch uo on his sleep in a My pillow. He should exit sufficiently programmed.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “Very few actual truckers but quite a few professional/permanent agitators”.

            Doubtful, they work for the other side. You’re looking at the unorganized B-squad.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            Most of the people who’ve taken over the rally are right-wing agitators, some of which tour the country full-time. So it’s fairly accurate. Trucking isn’t very profitable for owner/operators so they aren’t going to be able to protest for long.

  • avatar
    Fred

    These companies gladly excepted the rule that they couldn’t be sued for covid, but they don’t except any responsibility for keeping their workers safe. Maybe they will feel different when they see what the infections cost them in hospital bills.

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      If these companies were as concerned about worker safety as they claim, why not advocate for treatment, especially now that it is clear that Omicron is quite contagious and A LOT of vaccinated people are getting it?

      Since the vaccines do not prevent contracting Covid nor do they prevent the spread of it, it seems reasonable to advocate for helping those once they have been exposed and are symptomatic.

      Better yet, why not advocate for better health choices to avoid contracting it straightaway?

      • 0 avatar
        Kendahl

        I don’t know what it’s like in Canada but, here in the United States, it’s unvaccinated COVID patients who are overflowing the hospitals. The fully vaccinated are less likely to get sick and, when they do, they are far less likely to need hospitalization.

        The one good thing about Omicron is that we may finally reach herd immunity. Wise people will be immunized with injections. The holdouts will acquire immunity by contracting and surviving (maybe) Omicron.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Why don’t you go video some evidence of this for us?

          I have found the opposite to true but I’m willing to accept what you claim is true in another region.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            Actual statistical evidence just released regarding death rates among the 80+ “Statistics Canada’s most recent population survey indicates that unvaccinated Ontarians over the age of 80 are dying more than 12 times as often as those who are vaccinated”.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @28:
            My girlfriend works as a RN at a major Denver trauma hospital. She has friends that work at several other hospitals in a similar capacity. Kendahl’s telling the truth.

            This is the story at the largest hospital organization in the state of Colorado (which she doesn’t work at, by the way): “Of the health system’s 109 COVID-positive ICU patients, 82% are unvaccinated. Of its COVID-positive patients on ventilators, 91% are unvaccinated.”

            https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/covid-hospitalizations-at-uchealth-continue-to-be-mostly-unvaccinated-coloradans/

            Pretty obvious what’s going on.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            @ Arthur,

            Of the people dying of Covid in Canada, how many had co-morbidities? Here in the US, the answer to this question is just under 2/3.

            Lies, damn lies and statistics. Or have we somehow found a way to not lie about statistical reporting?

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Freed.

            I will certainly take you word for it but in previous careers I worked with 500 bed *facilities*, let alone a whole health network, so 109 isn’t shocking me nor does it prompt me to want to inject an entire population of hundreds of thousands if not millions. I would also point out “covid” positive does not indicate a diagnosis as many 2020 death certificates were written as “died with covid” not of. I will add the Remdesivir treatment which is being applied in some facilities is 100% killing some patients, as the Ebola studies done for Remdesivir found it caused complete organ failure in 30% of the study. We already know of cases where those injected developed non-covid related health problems such as stroke and myocarditis and have already died. Even if that is 0.1%, those patients are gone and the future mortality of induced heart or vascular related issues is unknown.

            Gather some data on non-covid related medium to serious diagnosis and contrast that with historical averages. From what I have seen, cancers and serious heart issues are up quite a bit vs 2019.

            Additional: Ask where the diagnosis are being stored. To my knowledge there is no new control on the software for “covid” and I know of no ICD code for it to this point, so I assume they are writing it into a “notes” box on the computer/tablet.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @28:
            To clarify, it’s 82% of the 109 ***ICU patients*** in their system that are positive, which doesn’t mean they have beds ***total*** in their system. Obviously UC Health has a lot more than 109 beds total – they’re all over Denver and Colorado. But that stat is damning.

            I mean, we can nitpick figures and stats all we want, but it’s pretty clear that 1) getting vaccinated is the best way to not get too sick with this, and 2) the overwhelming majority of people who are getting seriously sick with this haven’t been vaccinated.

            Whether that warrants mandates or not, I suppose, is the individual’s choice. But I’m going to exercise some personal choice here myself, and declare that the people who aren’t getting vaccinated without some valid medical reason aren’t just causing undue harm to themselves – they’re causing undue harm to the health care system we all rely on. At the end of the day, they’re s**tty citizens. Calling that one like I see it.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Of the people dying of Covid in Canada, how many had co-morbidities? Here in the US, the answer to this question is just under 2/3.’

            Co-morbidities, That’s a red herring.

            If one looks at comorbidities, the majority of the population in Canada and the USA will have at least one.

            Canada fully vaccinated 83% of total population.
            COVID-19 deaths 32,295 or 85 per 100,000 people (total population) or 850/million.

            USA fully vaccinated 63%.
            USA COVID-19 deaths 865,000 or 262 per 100,000 or 2,620 per million.

            USA death rate triple that of Canada’s when adjusted for population.

            Serious vaccine adverse event”:
            Canada 0.376 per 100,000 (3.76/million)
            USA 0.5 per 100,000 (5/million)

            It’s basic math. Vaccines make a big difference.

            You saying that Americans have 3 times the comorbidities as Canadians.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            “You saying that Americans have 3 times the comorbidities as Canadians.”

            I have no idea of the general health of Canadians compared to Americans. I would say Americans make terrible choices. Are Canadians any better at not eating crap food, developing diabetes and obesity? Maybe.

            If you believe that co-morbidities don’t play an outsized role in who’s getting sick then you’re saying you don’t believe the CDC data. Which is fine, but the data isn’t supporting that opinion.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @jkross22 – comorbidities play a role in mortality rates for EVERY disease.

            “51.8% of US adults had at least 1 chronic condition, and 27.2% had multiple chronic conditions.”

            That means roughly 4 out of 5 Americans are at risk from COVID-19 if you want to factor in comorbidities.

            Your statistics 2 of out 3 is slightly better but still means a hugh swath of Americans aren’t in a position to take chances.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Freed

            I understood what you meant, what I was saying in reply was I have worked with 500 bed single facilities, albeit them larger ones, so if 88 of 109 ICU patients across 2000 beds in 12-15 facilities in a network were impacted its really not the crisis some may believe. Even if the injections did work as vaccines, its not worth the future health of 705,576 citizens of Denver to prevent 88 more ICU patients (or 100 or 200 etc.). That may sound morbid but its also reality. There were an estimated 28,000 flu deaths in 2019-19, why hasn’t there been some kind of emergency order for national flu shots? Same reason.

            https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

            Where the need for experimental science came in was when the forecasts were for 2m deaths and probably triple the hospitalizations, that was enough to threaten the stability of society in some places hence the emergency actions. When that didn’t materialize it was time to drop the technology except for those who wanted it because of being in an at risk group. Regardless of the “election” if this responsible adult behavior would have taken place all of this would be a non issue. Instead of this, various “democratic” governments went Orwellian and near totalitarian in behavior. So now the pieces start to come together, the “election” had to happen in order to implement the Orwellian policies (likely related to transhumanism) as the elected president was apparently not onboard or not trusted to carry out this agenda in 2021 and beyond. Sadly they have partially succeeded at this, and in further dividing society in a way Trump/Hillary etc. could not.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            “At the end of the day, they’re s**tty citizens. Calling that one like I see it.”

            Just like the smokers and the fatties.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Lou,

            “Co-morbidities, That’s a red herring”

            Someone’s state of health is a red herring? You can’t believe that. It makes no sense to believe that.

            I’d you’d like, the CDC is tracking (accuracy doubts to be inserted here) this data. You should go have a look.

            Treating everyone the same for COVID risk is the height of foolishness. A 55 year old person who is 40 lbs overweight isn’t at the same risk as a healthy 15 year old but both are being told to get the jab. Doesn’t matter if you’ve already had covid. Under threat of mandates. This is madness.

            That so many have been gaslit to believe a story with so many holes in it told by people who have lied over and over proves how effective a tool mass fear is.

            The follow the science crowd somehow forgot that science means questioning, not unquestioningly following today’s beliefs. And certainly not attempting to shut down questions.

            Again, madness.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @jkross22 – perhaps red herring wasn’t the best word to use. If you want to protect the vulnerable you then need herd immunity. With omnicron that means in excess of 90% of the population needs vaccination or to survive infection. The problem with “surviving infection” is that there is a large viral load remaining in the populace. If this is to move to an end game of an influenza like state, you need a low viral load and high immunological resistance.

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          “I don’t know what it’s like in Canada but, here in the United States, it’s unvaccinated COVID patients who are overflowing the hospitals.”

          The ONLY reason put forth by the corrupt Brandon administration and his state run media for getting the vaccines was to stop the spread.They NEVER suggested getting it because it made the sniffles less….sniffley.

          FJB: “If you are vaccinated you don’t have to wear a mask”

          State run media: “The virus stops with every vaccinated person. If a vaccinated person is exposed to the virus, the virus dies”

          CDC: “Fully vaccinated do not need to wear masks”

          Because the implication is that those that are vaccinated do not spread the virus.

          But the the omicron sniffles came around. And proved that masks and the vaccines (that they wanted to hide the VARES data for 50+ years) do nothing to stop the spread. So the narrative had to change. “Oh we need to force you to get vaccinated because it will keep you out of the hospital”. Well nobody goes to the hospital for the sniffles so that’s a lie too.

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          Kendahl, No idea where you live, but here in So Cal, it was the vaccinated hitting up the ER’s in big numbers until the last few days when numbers started to fall.

          Again, the vaccines don’t prevent you from contracting covid. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand. Unless you don’t want to understand it. Which may be the case.

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            jkross22: As far as COVID patients that had to be hospitalized in California, it’s mostly unvaccinated. As far as vaccinated clogging the ER goes, I don’t have numbers, but I could believe it. Even mild cases can be pretty rough and I could see someone going to the ER. But, most of them wouldn’t be bad enough to require hospitalization and could go home. That’s the difference.

            While vaccines won’t prevent it, they can and do lessen the severity. It’s difficult dealing with a rapidly mutating virus. Delta, Omicron, now BA.2.

            https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            mcs, I appreciate your honesty saying you don’t have numbers. ER numbers are going down in Southern CA.

            Mild cases from what I have seen – roughly 20 people – have been flu symptoms over 3-5 days. Mostly vaccinated people, but some unvaccinated. To the best of my knowledge, none had co-morbidities.

            Grateful that vaccines are available for people with significant health risks, but as we continue to see, vaccines are not an effective prevention from contracting Covid. As you said, they can prevent serious health problems, especially for people with significant pre-existing health problems.

            With each variant, the vaccines have shown to be less effective.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “Since the vaccines do not prevent contracting Covid nor do they prevent the spread of it, it seems reasonable to advocate for helping those once they have been exposed and are symptomatic.”

        Another question is why are they ignoring the science of natural immunity? How come other countries can provide hundreds of studies on natural immunity yet the USA and Canada simply ignore it?

        • 0 avatar
          Daniel J

          Art,

          This is my opinion as well. What about hikers who get hurt? Motorcycle drivers? I mean, we all take personal risk. Why is Covid any different?

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            For hiking, I wear proper gear and boots. I carry extra food and even a spare cell phone along with power packs. For the motorcycle, good helmet, body armor, and boots. An airplane with a ballistic parachute for private flying. For COVID and other diseases, it’s vaccines. Other protective/preventive actions are exercise and a proper diet.

            You may not be able to totally prevent diseases or injuries with protective measures, but you can lessen the severity by taking precautions.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Mcs, in each of the examples you gave, you assessed your risks and made reasonable, rational decisions for yourself.

            That’s not what has happened with the public health policy response to covid.

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            It’s about activities that affect an individual versus public safety. I can choose to do aerobatics and take risks. The government is fine with that as long as it doesn’t risk others. FAR 91.303 restricts aerobatics from places like congested cities. It’s a government mandate to protect the general public from dangerous activities of individuals. What about food preparers that don’t want to dry out their hands from lots of washing and don’t like wearing gloves? Should their rights be infringed by the government health codes that require good hygiene in food preparation? What if a restaurant thinks that rats are cute and have a right to live in their kitchen? Government mandates won’t allow that.

            I think people should have a right to do what they want as long as they aren’t endangering other people. Don’t be vaccinated, but stay away from the public.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @mcs – exactly. I ride bikes and wear safety gear. I’ve gone into nasty places and have hit the ground hard. I’m not legally allowed to wheelie down sidewalks or climb stairs in buildings, why? I might harm others. Laws exist because some don’t have the common sense civic responsibility to look out for others.

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            Daniel J:
            “What about hikers who get hurt? Motorcycle drivers? I mean, we all take personal risk. Why is Covid any different?”

            Because COVID is a contagious disease. When you decide to fail go take your precautions, you decided foe me what my risk exposure will be — and I resent you making that choice for me.

            If you ride a motorcycle without a helmet, that’s not contagious. Your decision doesn’t affect me, assuming you’re insured and the bikers aren’t clogging the ICU (as the unvaccinated are).

            This stuff is real simple.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            “Don’t be vaccinated, but stay away from the public.”

            This ignores reality. The vaccinated are spreading covid. When can we all work from the same facts on this issue? I don’t need to be vaccinated for your vaccine to work. This is madness.

            How much longer will you ignore those with COVID exposure based immunity? Do they need to assume the vaccine risks too?

      • 0 avatar
        Imagefont

        You are a fountain of misinformation and lies. Or perhaps an overflowing urinal is a better analogy.

        • 0 avatar
          Daniel J

          Covid being infections has zero to do with vaccinations, and haven’t since the delta variant.

          Motorcyclists are 20x more likely to go to the hospital after an auto accident. An unvaccinated individual is much more likely to go to the hospital. Why didn’t the motorcycle driver drive a truck with 10 airbags? We shouldn’t let them in the hospital, right?

          The person risks we take have nothing to do with “contagiousness”.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Funny how the othering of people now includes threats to withhold medical care.

            Again, your facts are out of date and the assumptions and conclusions you arrive at are immoral. But by all means, carry on.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Interestingly, the World Health Organization is recommending lifting travel restrictions, which proved worthless during the last Covid variant:

    https://www.who.int/news/item/19-01-2022-statement-on-the-tenth-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-pandemic

    “MODIFIED: Lift or ease international traffic bans as they do not provide added value and continue to contribute to the economic and social stress experienced by States Parties.”

    “EXTENDED: Do NOT require proof of vaccination against COVID-19 for international travel as the only pathway or condition permitting international travel given limited global access and inequitable distribution of COVID-19 vaccines.”

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      It is interesting isn’t it? I also read the UK was stepping off the precipice. It seems all of the SPECTRE members are no longer in agreement on the plan, though it all could be a feint.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @SCE to AUX – in BC we are over 90% immunized with at least 2 vaccines. The BC CDC is considering transitioning to managing COVID-19 Omicron more like Influenza. They are studying the data and hospital admissions. I doubt they’ll fully lift all restrictions due to the need to protect the health system.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Lou, that was always likely the plan and was predicted in 2020.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @28-Cars-Later – Nope. The plan has evolved to follow the science. SARS – CoV -2 was a novel virus read new. Restrictions were to deal with that aspect and vaccines were expected to control the initial strains of the versus. Omicron fortunately is predominately an upper airway infection.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            If The Science™ is actual science, then all of this will fall away everywhere as its supposedly started to in the UK. If that happens then you will be proven correct Lou and those injected should be thanked for their contribution to MRNA research.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            “The plan has evolved to follow the science. ”

            That’s objectively untrue, at least here in the US. The nonsense that was being dished out early in the pandemic is still being shoveled. I hear it all the time from people who should know better and are in positions to see how the facts have changed, but are still singing the same song.

            It’s why the trust gap continues to grow.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @jkross22 and @28cars – in BC where I live politicians have let the BC CDC do their job to set the province’s regulations and recommendations around COVID-19.
            Our CDC head was the first to publicly state that we most likely are in an influenza like situation with Omicron. It caught the conservative province’s off guard because my province is governed by a left wing party.

            There’s always a risk that the next variant will be worse. I hope not.

          • 0 avatar
            Greg Hamilton

            Lou,
            Here is the ultimate endgame. I don’t understand why someone would cheer it on.
            https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/08/south-korea-contactless-coronavirus-economy/

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Lou,

            Yet another example of how Canada somehow has avoided the pitfalls of Americans digging in and refusing to acknowledge that circumstances change.

            Glad to hear your province is doing a better job of this than your friends South of the Border.

            It’s hard to imagine California leaders at any level acknowledging facts and ceasing to repeat information that has been debunked months ago.

      • 0 avatar
        jkross22

        Wouldn’t the more thoughtful approach be to protect the most vulnerable?

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Oh the vaunted “for the children” argument.

          Incur unknown future health issues and almost a guaranteed shortened potential lifespan to inject something pointless, for the children.

          F*** the children.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            “F*** the children.”

            Now there’s a slogan we can all get behind!

            Weirdly, if you believe the CDC, kids are pretty resilient to Cov. It’s difficult for people pushing the vaccine to acknowledge this truth…. the superintendent of Los Angeles USD certainly didn’t mention that in her speech the other day, although she did repeat the misinformation about vaccines slowing the spread.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @jkross

            Well, truth is treason in the empire of lies so I’d expect the language of the conspirators to be very selective.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            btw, the most vulnerable isn’t referring to kids. It’s referring to people with high blood pressure, diabetes and are obese.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “Wouldn’t the more thoughtful approach be to protect the most vulnerable?”

          The best way to protect the vulnerable is to get all of the eligible population vaccinated. Omnicron is highly infectious accross the board but much less serious in the vaccinated. If the collective has good immunity then the viral load is less. In otherwords, you need herd immunity.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Lou, what’s the best guess on the number of Canadians who have been exposed to covid and have developed into as a result?

            Do you acknowledge their level of immunity is both longer lasting and more effective than vaccine protection?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Do you acknowledge their level of immunity is both longer lasting and more effective than vaccine protection?”

            I don’t know the answer to that question. Anecdotally I know a couple who both contracted Covid – 19 recently. She was double vaxxed and moderately ill for 2 weeks and off work another week due to fatigue. Her husband was triple vaxxed and had a prior positive Covid with minimal symptoms. Her one child had mild symptoms and the other zero. (unvaccinated). Other vaccinate dpeople I know have had mild to moderate symptoms but they are the only people I know with a second Covid infection.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        “in BC we are over 90% immunized with at least 2 vaccines.”

        The effectiveness of this is close to 0%. Immunized vs Safe… immunized – yes, protected – no

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          “The effectiveness of this is close to 0%”

          That’s actually not true. Plenty f studies to back that up too.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            CEO of Pfizer said. What else do you need? The vaxx propaganda is over. 2022 elections is in focus. The bogus studies and unpublished data.
            Still nobody explained why too many vaccinated athletes have died last year, like NEVER before?

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          The government of Canada publishes all COVID related statistics, based on information gathered independently from all of the provincial healthcare systems. The link is below and clearly demonstrates that those spouting misinformation regarding vaccine efficacy in reducing serious illness and death and claiming that the vaccine is ‘dangerous’ are ignoring the statistical evidence.
          https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Not going to talk about Canada because I had not studied this.
            Buy in US reporting is a total failure. Pharma supplied almost nothing and they still will be collecting data for the next 3 years. They still shoot this vax under emergency use authorization.
            They manipulated definitions, and reporting requirements.
            BionTech and Moderna had not produced a single medical product prior to these vax. And finally US senate meets with victims of vaxx injuries.

            Will get there. Truth will come out.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Not going to talk about Canada because I had not studied this.’

            I take it Canada not on your troll farm daily briefings?

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Lou
            I don’t judge Canada by the PM Canadians had elected. I judge it by people who elected the PM.
            Looonies

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @slavuto – Trudeau had 1/3 the popular vote and is in a “minority” government. 2/3 of the voting population did not want him, me included. So for once, I have to sort of agree with you.

  • avatar
    slavuta

    And Tru-dogh dumped a load into his pants and went into isolation. Typical western “tough” politician. We also know a lot like this based on Jan 6.
    Basically, looks like any small unrest can make these folks just hide. They hide, truckers take the power over the country. Nice.

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      Put Putin in a ring with Trudeau and your leader would not last for even one round. And I don’t even like Trudeau. But he has proven his ability to physically defend himself.

      • 0 avatar
        Matt Posky

        Discussing which world leader would win in a boxing match is beyond ridiculous. This is a pointless detour and adds nothing to the conversation.

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          But we know it wouldn’t be “pinky out” trudeau…

        • 0 avatar
          ToolGuy

          Update: The Prime Minister has vacated Rideau Cottage…

          https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/truck-convoy-protest-some-key-players-1.6332312

          …presumably to train for an upcoming bout — much like the taller, more socialistic, better housed [and more highly medicated] of the two gentleman depicted here:

          https://youtu.be/B_9FyTiq3SA

          Side note: I am shocked to find dissenting voices within the Dominion of Canada. (Based on what I usually read here, I was led to believe it was more like the Denmark of North America.)

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Art, I heard Putin holds a black belt of some level in Judo… however, he came out (admittedly with the AK in has hands) from the KGB building in Germany and single-handedly stopped an assault from a raging crowd..

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          Trudeau also has a black belt in a martial art. As did his father. As for going into the ring the Conservative Party were in power at the time and had their ‘tough guy’ challenge Trudeau to a charity boxing match. The fight took place at the Hampton Inn Convention Centre in Ottawa on March 31, 2012.

  • avatar
    Mike-NB2

    Atlantic Canadian here. This does seem to be a bit of a tempest in a teapot. It looks like this isn’t a broader movement of people wanting to end restrictions as it is the same anti-vax people who are just gathering in one group in Ottawa.

    The core issue being protested is Canada’s requirement that truckers coming into the country be vaccinated or they must self-isolate. If Canada were to drop that requirement then the effect would be … nothing. The US has the same requirement when going into the US so Canada dropping the requirement would have no effect.

    Another sign that this is the same group of loons is that I’ve seen photos of Confederate flags in the group. Yup, if you want to garner mainstream support then using racist symbols will surely work. Not.

    If only there was a simple solution to needing to be vaccinated. /s

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Finalizing my dinner plans for the evening with my lady friend, and I’m thinking Chinese food. Haven’t had it in a while. P.F. Chang’s, maybe? Love their Mongolian beef and the fried pot stickers.

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    It’s amazing how the anti-science/anti-history frauds like Trudeau and other sheep that think masks/lockdowns/and the vaccines work to stop the spread of the covid cold downplay the largest, record shattering trucking convoy in the word and claim they are a “small fringe minority”.

    It’s a 43 mile long convoy.

    All because driving a truck…by yourself…is somehow a super spreading event. Remember the vaccines do nothing to stop the spread of the covid sniffles. So why demand people that are alone to get the vaxxxxxxx?

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      Quit posting misinformation.

      On Thursday in Thunder Bay, the OPP did an official count and came up with “113 commercial vehicles (trucks) and 276 personal vehicles (pickups, SUVs, cars)”.

      At 9:45am today after passing through the most populated areas of Canada the Kingston Police completed a count and reported “17 full tractor trailers, 104 tractors with no trailers, 424 passenger vehicles and 6 RVs”.

    • 0 avatar
      Master Baiter

      “…vaccines do nothing to stop the spread of the covid sniffles…”

      While I’m sympathetic to those who choose to remain unvaccinated, and I don’t support mandates, your assertion is misleading at best.

      Vaccines reduce the severity of COVID and reduce the likelihood of being hospitalized or dying from it. This is supported by published data, and corroborated anecdotally by my two next-door neighbors who both happen to be ER doctors who routinely treat COVID patients.

      Having said that, an individual’s COVID risk is highly dependent on age and co-morbidities. The fact that vaccines are being pushed as a one-size-fits-all solution, even for young children for whom COVID represents almost no risk, is, in my opinion, an abomination.

      • 0 avatar
        jkross22

        This is the nuance we need. It’s hard for some people to believe that conflicting information can exist.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “While I’m sympathetic to those who choose to remain unvaccinated, and I don’t support mandates, your assertion is misleading at best.”

        Not misleading at all. I said the vaccines do nothing to stop the spread. That is a verified fact. If it did we would not have seen the explosion of the omicron sniffles like we have. I have always maintained that the vaccines reduce symptoms but we were ONLY told we MUST get the vaccine to slow the spread. That was a lie.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Actually, there is a full evidence now that these vaccines kill people.

      Did I see a video where Pfizer CEO now claims that receiving too many shots can weaken immune system? Or I had this dream another day?

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        @Slavuta:

        One of my employees was hospitalized FOR COVID for 10 days.

        He still needs oxygen, and sometimes his job leaves him winded.

        He’s a software engineer.

        Some of my other employees got it and seem fine — about 30% of my team has had it so far. But, for some people, COVID permanently injures them — scarred lungs will mess you up for life.

        • 0 avatar
          Daniel J

          Covid affects people in different ways.

          I now a 40 something who has been double vaxxed and boostered who has “long” covid. Luckily he’s getting over it. I know a 70 something who got Covid and had mild cold like symptoms. I think she was double vaxxed but not boosted.

          No one denies that Covid is harmful for some pople and kills some people (like my father). Mandating vaccines isn’t the way.

          I find it interesting that even the UK has even started relaxing their mandates and vax passports. I guess all those folks in the UK are wrong though.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Luke,

          ok, ok. I got it. Still does not justify for mandates, coercion, job firings, etc.
          The only thing we must fear is fear itself. People are dying everyday from different things. Join the military, see blood, stay strong.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    Collectivists view the unvaccinated as free riders who must be punished.

    It will be interesting to see how long these vaccine “passports” and other restrictions remain in effect now that it appears Omicron represents the end of the pandemic.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      How many countries overseas have lifted all restrictions? They realize it’s all nonsense.

      But yet here, they are still pushing the fear p0rn because of the Omicron sniffles.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        They are not pushing this for sniffles. This is all political. Always was.

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42

          One of the guys who worked for me for pretty severe lung damage from COVID.

          He has to take breaks to get on the oxygen machine.

          He’s a software engineer, so it’s not exactly physically strenuous work.

          COVID can cause permeant physical injury to people who catch it. This is a fate far more common than death.

          This guy was bragging about his natural immunity last fall. Now he gets winded by walking a few feet.

          Be careful out there!

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Sorry for the guy. Does not mean we all need to be lined up for the shot or whatever. And with the government that is lying, manipulating, hides, distorts and falsifies the data, there simply only one conclusion – if everything was clear with the vax, why do we need to manipulate things?
            What causes a greater damage – C19 or the neurotic psychosis that enveloped nations? People walk outside in masks and gloves in the middle of the summer…

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            @Slavuta,

            The statistics show that many other people have suffered the same kind of injury as my employee. It’s a comment outcome of being HOSPITALIZED FOR COVID, which he was.

            Nobody needs to line up and be shot, but we do need some individual responsibility from the unvaccinated. They do need to take their share of adult responsibility for the health of the community.

            COVID is a community problem and requires a community solution. It doesn’t care about your ideology, or about “both sides” or whatever. Solving this problem requires collective action, and in a free society, that requires convincing the unvaccinated to stop acting like petulant children.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Luke,
            how many people died or suffered a vaccine injury?

  • avatar
    la834

    I have never contracted the deadly diseases smallpox or polio. A big thanks to everyone before me who was require to get vaccinated for these diseases in order to attend school or work, and in doing so completely eradicating smallpox and nearly eradicating polio. We have the power to eradicate covid-19 too thanks to safe and super-effective vaccines; shame so many want the disease to keep going by not getting vaccinated. I guess 5+ million covid deaths isn’t enough for them; they’re going for 10 million or something…

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      The problem is that those vaccines actually stop that condition. The covid vaccines do nothing to stop or even slow the spread. Do you understand the difference?

      Also consider that the first polio epidemic was in the 1890s. Early vaccine trials didn’t start until 40 years later in the 1930s. In 1952, polio cases surged leading to rushed administration of incomplete vaccines. As a result, in 1955 the polio vaccines is suspended. It wasn’t until 1960 that “Albert Sabin’s live poliovirus vaccine was recommended by the U.S. Surgeon General to be licensed. This vaccine provided protection against Type 1 poliovirus. Soon, vaccines for Types 2 and 3 would be licensed. A 1963 vaccine would combine all three types.”

      So, after 70 years of research, we had a polio vaccine that was SAFE and effective. Not exactly apples to apples with the rushed and experimental covid vaccines.

      https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/polio

      • 0 avatar
        Arthur Dailey

        Again misinformation. The use of American made polio vaccines was stopped and those manufactured in Canada were used. This was due to contamination in one of the batches manufactured an American facility.

    • 0 avatar
      Greg Hamilton

      If you want to know the “truth” about polio you might want to read the book, “The Moth in the Iron Lung: A Biography of Polio” by Forrest Maready
      It’s quite an eye opener, and guess what, it’s based on “science.”

  • avatar
    Imagefont

    Crisis actors find employment in Canada.

  • avatar
    C5 is Alive

    Any government thug claiming authority to determine “unacceptable views” deserves to eat a bullet.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      “Any government thug claiming authority to determine “unacceptable views” deserves to eat a bullet.”

      Your statement begs the question, ” who gives the gunman the authority to shoot people with views unacceptable to them?”

      Thankfully, Canadian gun laws do a good job of screening out nuts who feel shooting people who disagree with them is a good way forward.

      • 0 avatar
        C5 is Alive

        Such false equivalencies and lockstep toadyism would’ve served you very well in post-Weimar Germany, Lou.

        Well, unless…

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Lockstep toadyism is what you expound with a statement supporting shooting people with differing views.

          • 0 avatar
            C5 is Alive

            Well Lou, Der Canuck Fuhrer doesn’t sound particularly eager to treat those with “unacceptable views” as people, so why shouldn’t the sane and civilized respond accordingly?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @C5 is Alive – advocating murder because you don’t like a politician is neither sane nor civilized.

            I don’t like the useless performing arts fook that he is. I don’t go around saying that someone should shoot him . If you don’t like a politician then you get politically active and get someone else elected.

            You don’t sound very patriotic or in favour of supporting the pillars of democracy.

          • 0 avatar
            C5 is Alive

            When speaking of a despotic little Leftist that considers personal freedoms as “unacceptable views,” then it’s really more a matter of extermination than murder.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @C5 is Alive – “unacceptable views” works both ways. You obviously do not believe in political free speech or the electoral process. “He who has the most guns and uses them to sets the rules” isn’t freedom. Sounds like you espouse despotic right-wing fascism since any comment from the left is under the category of “unacceptable views”.

            Freedumb indeed.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          yea, really. The “unacceptable views”. No discussion needed. Your views are unacceptable. haha. un-liberal

    • 0 avatar
      islander800

      Perhaps I should forward your statement to the RCMP if you are posting from Canada. They would be happy to “pay you a visit” to, at the very least, read you the riot act, if not charge you with a criminal offence.

      Thank God we live in Canada and not America where ANY statement or act, right up to and including fomenting and participating in an insurrection, are considered “free speech”. For example, shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theater is NOT protected “free speech”.

      To use an appropriate metaphor, that’s not how we roll…

  • avatar
    Bike

    Truck drivers need only turn out in the dozens to look powerful. Actually just a small protest.

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    I didn’t want to post this, but it’s my responsibility to do so:
    https://youtu.be/Sd5ZLJWQmss

    (Re-watched that movie last year. It’s even more stupid than you remember.)

    [The wikipedia entry partially explains why it is so bad, but if you find yourself delving that deep, you should really evaluate your life choices – ask me how I know.]

  • avatar
    probert

    Maybe with sales down in the US, Stellantis will find it easier just to have workers die off. It saves on the pension plan as well. Nothing like a good old cost/benefit analysis.

  • avatar
    NigelShiftright

    Now that Pfizer has a $500 per patient covid treatment in the pipeline, I expect the narrative to pivot from vaccination to treatment in the very near future.

  • avatar
    islander800

    “Believed to be the largest organized grouping of motor vehicles in human history,…”

    I realize that the writer is not a supporter of mitigation efforts to stem the spread of Covid, but over-the-top hyperbolic statements like this does not help his case. Just because some random blogger says so doesn’t make it so.

    Meanwhile, reports of convoy participants desecrating the national memorial of the unknown soldier and the statue of Canadian hero Terry Fox or harassing a homeless shelter because it wouldn’t give them free meals does nothing to illicit support for their cause. Unfortunately, a number of extremist elements and just plain out-and-out yahoos have toxically tainted what was originally a legitimate protest against the sudden imposition of mandatory vaccinations for cross-border Canadian truckers after more than two years of this pandemic. The fact that the U.S. has imposed their own mandatory vaccine mandate for American truckers makes this original point of the protest moot. It has been highjacked by those representing an extremely small minority of opinion who have ruined the legitimacy of the effort.

    So sad.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      Beating up a homeless man, bullying soup kitchen staff, urinating/deficating on the tomb of the Unknown Soldier (and parking vehicles on the tomb) and vandalizing the statue of a selfless Canadian hero does ruin the purpose of a “Freedom Rally”.

      I’m expecting the freedumb fighting Q-Anon disinformation types to state it was a false flag operation carried out by JTF2.

      Cue Russian Troll farmers and the dud who hates Ford products.

      • 0 avatar
        ToolGuy

        How do you find a homeless person in Canada? Don’t you have to look like 6X harder than in the U.S.? [per capita basis]

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff S

        Lou_BC–May I add the pro Fox news who support Putin. Never thought I would see the day when many who call themselves conservatives support a former KGB agent.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Jeff,
          what is the difference between KGB, CIA, MI6? Why CIA can lie on CNN and KGB can’t? Are KGB agents less smart? Or they are less dedicated to their country? What is your problem?

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            KGB? No, it’s these guys: http://svr.gov.ru/

            https://www.google.com/maps/place/55%C2%B035'02.4%22N+37%C2%B031'01.2%22E/@55.5846762,37.5145416,1074m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x7c463aa67b56589c!8m2!3d55.584!4d37.517

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Why CIA can lie on CNN and KGB can’t?”
            You must be referring to Dan Bongino ex-cop and ex- secret service.

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    Here is the actual truth about the size of the ‘convoy’/protest as published by the most conservative newspaper in Canada.
    Tristan Hopper – The National Post – January 29th 2022

    “A quick look at the math, however, shows that 50,000 trucks would be so unprecedently massive that it would currently be lined up bumper-to-bumper across whole swaths of Ontario and Quebec.

    The average truck-and-trailer is 23 metres long. This means that 50,000 of them would stretch 1,150 kilometres; the approximate distance between Edmonton and Vancouver.

    Many of the trucks are not pulling trailers, meaning their length is closer to about nine metres . Even then, that’s a continuous line of vehicles stretching for 450 km — the distance between Ottawa and Toronto.

    Even if the 50,000 was composed entirely of Honda Civics, that lineup stretches for 230 kilometres; longer than the distance between Ottawa and Montreal.

    The Ambassador Bridge is the busiest border crossing between the U.S. and Canada, representing 25 per cent of all trade between the two countries. On average, it sees 13,000 truck crossings per day.

    According to Guinness, the longest-ever convoy of commercial trucks was a line of 480 vehicles in Egypt.

    According to Statistics Canada, there are only 633,663 total vehicles in the weight class comprising heavy-duty trucks. If the category was just semi-trucks, the implication would be that one of every 12 semi-trucks across Canada is currently in a protest convoy. But that category also includes everything from dump trucks to crane trucks to tow trucks, driving up the relative proportion still further.
    The convoy passing through Thunder Bay, Ont. on Thursday contained just 113 trucks and 276 private cars , according to a count by the Ontario Provincial Police.

    When the convoy passed through Kingston, Ont., the Kingston Police counted 17 full tractor trailers and 104 tractors without trailers. When adding in passenger vehicles and RVs, the convoy’s total size was 551 vehicles.

    Thus far, Ottawa Police is expecting that the total number of Freedom Convoy vehicles including trucks and private vehicles will top out at between 1,000 and 2,000.”

    Therefore the total numbers attending the protest is about one-tenth the size of the Gay Pride Parade held annually in Toronto.

    And far smaller than any gathering in Canadian cities when their local NHL team advances in the playoffs.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Regardless, Tru-dog ran from his palace. Canada is perfectly set for people taking country back. The throne is empty. Bring the guillotine and line up Tru-dog’s co-conspirators towards it.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        So says Putin’s sock puppet.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Ah, yea, Putin. Putin organized Canadian Truckers.. CBC said.
          Honestly, the level of idiocracy that there is in Canada, Putin seems like a smart choice. The only thing that might make you feel better in Canada, Australia is worse. It was designed as jail and now it is a jail. Finally, Aussies found out how to properly manage a jail for millions.
          GULAG – Great unapologetic lunatic Australian ghetto

          • 0 avatar
            ToolGuy

            Hey slavuta, lay off Australia. They are just as unhappy as us about the cold weather and all this snow.

          • 0 avatar
            Jeff S

            Ah yes we, the Aussies, and the Canadians should adopt the Soviet system at least any dissenting voices would be appropriately punished.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            Is Slavuto Russian for sock puppet?

          • 0 avatar
            tomLU86

            Australia is worse now–a true penal colony!

            But Canada has the Emergency Measures Act. Trudeau, elected with less than 33% of the public, in second place in the popular vote, can declare essentially martial law, if he sees fit to do so. His father frightened Parliament in creating this law that legalizes dictatorship.

            If I am incorrect, some one please correct me.

            So, he might declare martial law, because people are protesting against being forced to inject an experimental drug (though it would be immoral to force people to ingest even a proven drug). What a flimsy pretext.

            Trudeau has stated he views Canada as “the first post-national state”. To all the rabid vaxxers (or anti-vaxxers), am I incorrect?

            Trudeau is an alumnus of the WEF “Young Global Leaders” program. The WEF pushing the “Global Reset”. “You will need nothing, you will own nothing” How appealing.

            In the US, for a drug to get an “experimental use authorization”, for it to be fast-tracked, first it must be established that no other drug can treat the condition. This is why hydroxychlroquil and ivermectin are not recognized as treatment–even as they have helped treat thousands. And the privately funded WHO fell into line, and voila–hundreds of millions worldwide, including millions of Canadians, have made Pfizer super profitable–and Pfizer is helping the Davos crowd.

            US Senator Ron Johnson has had at least two hearing with vaccine-injured. He, and more importantly, the victims, are ignored.

            So given these realities, it’s prudent for Stellantis to drop the mandate.

            As for Trudeau, this is all about control, not public health.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @tomLU86 – Rump had thought about declaring martial law to stay in power. So what’s your point?

            Post 911 the USA put the Patriots act in place.

            Canada when hit with domestic terrorism during the “1970 October Crisis”. Government implemented the “War Measures Act”. It was on the books since 1914. In 1988 a more restricted form was passed called the Emergency Measures Act.

            Someone needs to read up on Canadian history and stop watching Faux or getting history lessons from Facebook.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Hey Jeff,

          you’re already live soviet style. You already have this – “any dissenting voices would be appropriately punished”

          Most funny is to listen to people like you, especially on TV, who talks like, “this is America it is not Soviet style. Why do they do something like this?”.
          Well, this is America and the soviet style is here. It is with you everyday now. And most importantly – you have created it. Apparently you did not like the old America, so here is new soviet America for you. You probably thought that in America people are so smart that they can build a new system that is fair or whatever. Well, they warned you and you came to the same result as Bolsheviks. Congrats.

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            No slavuta, it’s not like the Soviet Union. You know it. Otherwise, you’d be on your way to an American version of Perm-36 cutting logs, right?. What about Vasyl Stus? You know about him, right? A fellow Ukrainian. Any US equivalents happening now? Where is the US version of Perm-36?

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            mcs

            Stus was working for the west. It is clearly understandable from his wiki page. I did not pay attention. We had much more famous dissidents.

            But let me tell you about hundreds of political prisoners that are rotting their lived away in US jails without charges.
            And if you want to go to the soviet times, I can go to very un-pretty times in American history. And I am not talking about 19th century.
            Enough of reminding you why Assange is in jail today? US effectively is USSR. Lack of toilet paper just completed the picture.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            @Tom; You obviously a flawed understanding of how governments work in Canada. The division of powers between the provinces and the federal government are defined in our Constitution. Healthcare falls under provincial jurisdiction. The Charter of Rights was actually part of the ‘patriated’ Constitution and was added at the insistence of Pierre Trudeau who was PM at the time. The current PM has a minority government meaning that any legislation he passes must be supported by members of other parties to pass. Finally The Queen has no official power, the Governor-General is a Canadian appointed on the recommendation of the PM at the time.

          • 0 avatar
            tomLU86

            @LouBC

            Thanks for the clarification. Since you are Canadian, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are factually correct.

            While I stand by my assertion that Trudeau MAY (not WILL, but may) expand his powers, I did not know that Pierre Trudeau’s speech, where he looked so serious and “presidential” was to “implement existing law” from 1914.

            By more “restricted” 1988 EMA, I assume you mean the government cannot be as repressive as the 1914 statute allows.

            In any case, I am correct in that your PM has an avenue to lawfully limit Canadians’ rights.

            Your comment about Trump is irrelevant. Just like your boy Justin postures and bloviates about the pandemic, Trump used to posture. I cannot recall ever hearing HIM talk about martial law.

            In any case, in the US there is no legal basis for martial law in the US, at least that I am aware of.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            @Tom: It appears (sorry but I quickly skimmed each) that in the USA not just the president and/or Congress but also each governor has the right to invoke martial law. Plus Congress could resort to the Insurrection Act. So once again it appears to be easier to deprive Americans of their rights than it is to deprive Canadians of theirs.

            From NPR with the actual text of the Act:
            ‘The Insurrection Act of 1807. The original text of the act, which has been amended several times since it was first passed, reads as follows:
            An Act authorizing the employment of the land and naval forces of the United States, in cases of insurrections
            Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That in all cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws, either of the United States, or of any individual state or territory, where it is lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing such insurrection, or of causing the laws to be duly executed, it shall be lawful for him to employ, for the same purposes, such part of the land or naval force of the United States, as shall be judged necessary, having first observed all the pre-requisites of the law in that respect.
            APPROVED, March 3, 1807.’

            From Wikipedia:
            ‘On a national level, both the US President and the US Congress have the power, within certain constraints, to impose martial law since both can be in charge of the militia. In each state, the governor has the power to impose martial law within the borders of the state.[1] In the United States, martial law has been used in a limited number of circumstances, such as New Orleans during the Battle of New Orleans; after major disasters, such as the Great Chicago Fire of 1871, the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, or during riots, such as the Omaha race riot of 1919 or the 1920 Lexington riots; local leaders declared martial law to protect themselves from mob violence, such as Nauvoo, Illinois, during the Illinois Mormon War, or Utah during the Utah War; or in response to chaos associated with protests and rioting, such as the 1934 West Coast waterfront strike, in Hawaii after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and during the Civil Rights Movement in response to the Cambridge riot of 1963.’

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @tomLU86 – Parliament has to vote to declare an emergency but only after there is a public declaration of a national emergency. The Act defines what that is.

            As far as my Rump comment, Michael Flynn and several of his toddies made the comments for him and there were credible reports that he was mulling it over.

            The President of the USA can declare martial law. The Prime Minister of Canada cannot.

  • avatar
    JD-Shifty

    https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/anti-vaxx-truck-drivers-who-ve-died-from-covid

  • avatar
    dantes_inferno

    Food for thought:

    Any time a one-size-fits-all solution is proposed (dismissing other possible treatments entirely), the primary motive is usually FINANCIAL. Big Pharma is driving this and has applied tremendous pressure on politicians and their connected officials to deliver a solid return on Big Pharma’s investment (campaign donations).

    Take the advertisements on TV, radio, streaming, etc. for example. Said advertisements usually end with “This is a message from (insert pharmaceutical organization here) “. Now if that isn’t a hint-and-a-half (as in they’re saying it right to your face), I don’t know what is.

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      What of the giant supplement and vitamin and holistic treatment industry? Do they not operate the same way. And why would Big Pharma invest in vaccines when they could promote existing drugs as being ‘beneficial’ or ‘effective’ and merely rapidly increase their cost/price due to ‘supply/demand’? There are numerous instances of old style drugs whose prices have increased dramatically. That would be far more profitable.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      The “[2-letter MSM]” news today brought to you by “[large pharma company]”

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    Final tally on the official turnout from the Ottawa Police: “Road closures and vehicle arrivals started Friday, swelling to an estimated crowd of 8,000 people Saturday, according to police. About 3,000 people rallied around Parliament Hill Sunday, according to the city’s emergency and protective services manager.”

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