By on November 11, 2020

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With America currently split between people arguing about how seriously the 2020 election needs to be investigated, there hasn’t been much in the news about cars beyond the omnipresent background hiss of manufacturers promoting green vehicles they have yet to build. That leaves us having to belly crawl through journalistic muck in the hopes of finding a morsel of useful information. Fortunately, we located a crumb worth saving in Joe Biden’s transition teams for the Environmental Protection Agency and Transportation Department.

A Biden administration means bringing back Obama all-stars in a concentrated effort to restore that era’s regulatory standards. That entails flipping just about every single initiative launched by President Trump, including the national fuel rollback that’s at the heart of the Gas War. Biden has also said he would reenter the Paris Climate Accords, gradually abandon fossil fuels, and “establish ambitious fuel economy standards” surpassing anything the nation has seen before.

This will be facilitated by Biden’s tapping of Patrice Simms to quarterback the EPA. Simms is an environmental attorney at Earthjustice, which has leveled over 100 lawsuits at the Trump administration and previously worked as deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department’s environment division. Other Obama-era lawyers have been named, according to Reuters. The available list currently includes Joe Goffman, general counsel at the agency under Obama EPA chief Gina McCarthy, and Cynthia Giles, who served as an assistant administrator in the EPA’s enforcement office.

Biden’s Transportation Department team will be led by Phillip Washington, chief executive of the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority. New York City Transportation Commissioner Polly Trottenberg, a former Transportation official under Obama, has also been selected — as has Therese McMillan, former acting head of the Federal Transit Administration under Obama.

From Reuters:

For the Interior Department, Biden named former Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs Kevin Washburn to head up the transition, signaling an emphasis on indigenous representation at the agency that oversees federal and tribal lands.

Other Obama-era Interior officials on the team include Elizabeth Klein, former deputy assistant secretary, policy, management & budget, who has been working with an organization representing state attorneys general challenging the Trump administration’s regulatory rollbacks, and Kate Kelly, a senior adviser to former Interior Secretary Sally Jewell.

The team also includes Maggie Thomas, previously a climate policy adviser to Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Washington Gov. Jay Inslee.

Biden likewise named Sue Biniaz, who helped pen the Paris Agreement, as part of his State Department transition team. This, along with everything else, paints a pretty clear picture of which direction his presidency would be heading. We’re anticipating increasing fuel prices as drilling slows and stringent emissions regulations mimicking what we’ve seen in Europe and China. That could help shape new vehicle models on a long enough timeline, presumably resulting in more small-engine hybrids and fewer hulking V8s. On the upside, the Great American Gas War will finally end — albeit with California winning as the state’s regulatory benchmarks presumably become national ones.

We’re also a little confused about the mechanism for achieving success under the Paris Climate Accord if rejoined. The United States would really only be going back to make others happy, as each country is left to set their own “Nationally Determined Contributions.” The U.S. previously committed to reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 26-28 percent by 2025 (from the baseline set in 2005). By contrast, China’s commitments have been more ambitions but the goals were set in a way that didn’t require the nation to do anything until after 2030. China’s greenhouse gas emissions are now so huge (over 10.06 billion metric tons per year) they eclipse both the United States and Europe combined. Many also believe the Asian nation will withdraw from the climate agreement before it’s officially obligated to make any meaningful changes.

Ah, progress.

[Image: Lev Radin/Shutterstock]

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74 Comments on “Gas War: Biden Selects Obama All Stars for Transportation Department, EPA...”


  • avatar
    slavuta

    Who is going to be in charge of Trump supporter black lists?

    • 0 avatar
      Matt Posky

      I think they’re still trying to figure that out on Twitter.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Matt Posky,

        I’m getting it now. big tech established itself as 4th branch of the gov. nice.

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42

          @slavuta:
          “I’m getting it now. big tech established itself as 4th branch of the gov. nice.”

          Big Tech is late to the party when it comes to amassing as much power as a government.

          GM and Boeing beat them the Facebook/Google/Amazon to the regulatory capture game by decades. Microsoft gave it a pretty good go in the 1990s, though, as did IBM before them.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Luke42
            thats the thing. Big tech does not have any regulation. section 230 gives them full freedom for anything

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            @Slavuta:

            The regulations which most affected Microsoft the most was antitrust.

            A lot of telcom and FCC regulations come in to play for big Consumer Internet companies.

            Labor laws and tax policies are a big deal, especially for Amazon, Uber, gig economy companies.

            Amazon is also in the business of providing cloud services to the federal government, so they have to comply with all of the regulations for handling classified data.

            I’ve personally been inconvenienced by ITAR while working in tech, even though I’ve never done anything with weapons.

            The lack of regulation you’re probably referring to is that there is no regulation on trading your personal data in the United States — and they’d like to keep it that way. Europe has enacted the GDPR, which also regulates the behavior of American internet companies doing business in Europe.

            In addition, tech companies rely heavily in intellectual property laws, both in the positive sense (building a business around novel technology) and the negative sense (they will use them to destroy an ex-employee or competitor).

            The regulatory picture in Big Tech is far more complex than you suggest. Corporate legal council is a real job at a tech company.

    • 0 avatar
      Cicero

      It’s going to take some time for the camps to be set up, but I hear there’s already been a run on dunce caps for the upcoming struggle sessions.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Cicero
        Well.. Ukrainians are ahead on this one. They have a house bill now. I guess it is car related because there is a lot about transport
        Read:

        The Verkhovna Rada is considering amendments to the 1992 law “On the Security Service of Ukraine”. Specifically, this bill refers to the internment of all citizens of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine.

        The Russians in Ukraine are subject to detention and internment when the SBU switches to a special regime of service. According to the bill, during a special period, the SBU is obliged to “take measures to identify citizens of a country that threatens to attack or carries out aggression against Ukraine, citizens who pose a threat to national security in connection with this aggression.” After receiving notifications from the SBU about the Russians, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine decides the issue of their internment in Ukraine “taking into account the real and potential threats to the national security of Ukraine.”

        According to the draft law, special places – internment camps – should be created to accommodate internees in Nezalezhnaya. Local authorities, the Ministry of Ukraine for Veterans and Occupied Territories, and security agencies are involved in organizing these camps and placing interned Russians there. The bill envisages amending the laws on the relevant authorities.

        The bill submitted to the Verkhovna Rada should also change the content of the 2000 law “On Defense”. The main military law of the country explains how an interned foreigner (that is, a Russian) differs from a prisoner of war.

        “Internees mean citizens of a state subject to detention and forced placement, which threatens Ukraine with an attack or carries out aggression against Ukraine. The decision to cancel internment is made immediately after the end of hostilities and the decree of the President of Ukraine on the abolition of martial law, or in the absence of real grounds for internment. Prisoners of war are understood as persons falling under the categories indicated in Article 4 of the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War of August 12, 1949, ”the bill says.

        The delivery of internees and prisoners of war to places of their forced placement is carried out by the executive authorities responsible for transportation and mail. The delivery of Russians to internment camps and prisoners of war should be carried out without the involvement of road transport, the bill says. In other words, by rail or on foot, under a strict armed escort. At the same time, the bill stipulates that the treatment of internees and prisoners of war must be carried out in compliance with international humanitarian laws.

        Convoy of prisoners of war from the front zone to the rear camps, as well as their protection in the camps, is entrusted to the military police of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Convoy of the internees to the camps, as well as the search for the Russians who escaped from the camps, are carried out by the National Police. Guards the camps of the National Guard. The laws on the military police, the National Police and the National Guard are being amended accordingly.

        An explanatory note to the package of amendments was drawn up by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Taran. The authors of the package itself are Prime Minister of Ukraine Denis Shmygal, People’s Deputy from European Solidarity and former Deputy Prime Minister for European Integration Ivanna Klimpush-Tsitsnadze, other deputies of the Verkhovna Rada

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42

          @slavuta,

          We did that to Japanese-Americans in the 1940s, and we’re doing it to South American refugees now — at Trump’s direction.

          Liberals are pretty upset about both, too. George Takei, and everyone else, deserved better from their country, as do the refugee children who were separated from their parents.

          That ship has sailed. A lot of us have decided to hold our nation to a higher standard.

          The Right has given Trump a pass on the human rights violations he’s championed so far, but it’s never too late to hold our nation to a higher standard.

          • 0 avatar
            Cicero

            George Takei. Wow.

            Honestly, I had no idea.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Luke42,

            “refugee children who were separated from their parents.”

            Tell me the truth. Are you propagating a lie or you simply don’t know?

            We don’t separate children and parents. During O’bama, the custom agents started noticing that same children came over and over again. Obama’s / his manager’s solution was – they started to detain them to determine who’s children these are. These children are often a cartel children, who’ve been kidnapped and used by cartel to move illegals to the US. Then, children come back and do it again. And under Obama they started to detain them and try to pair with real people. Sometimes they even thought they have the real parents only to learn that these “parents” don’t want these children.

            you should research at least.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Luke42,

            one more thing. Nobody cares about these children. The democrats don’t care. Mike Bloomberg has spent somewhere around 1/2 Billion $$ this year on campaigns of all sorts. This money would be more than enough to house these children in some Mexican special school till they are 18. Even build the whole school. No, this is not about the children. This is about the power.

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            @Slavuta,

            I’m appalled that The United States of America, my nation, has engaged in human rights violations against families and children at our southern border.

            I care. My friends care.

            This one strikes particularly close to home, because my kids are in an English/Spanish dual language immersion school. I can probably name a friend (or a friend-of-a-friend) who has been harmed by every one of Trump’s anti-immigrant policies. This is personal to me.

            If you don’t care, that’s on you.

          • 0 avatar
            tomLU86

            @Luke42

            Please….let’s not talk “higher standards.” Don’t kid yourself….or yourselves.

            Trump is immature, vulgar, and lies a lot–so much, that now, when he probably has a point about voter irregularities, it’s hard to believe him.

            Biden has a platitude of human weaknesses and failing, from plagiarism, to freely spending other peole’s money, to using his govt position to enrich himself and his family, plus his ability to serve is highly questionable.

            More people DEFINITELY voted FOR TRUMP, than FOR Biden. It’s just that even more people voted against Trump than against Biden. And most Americans voted AGAINST….two bad choices, who nonetheless tell us what we want to hear…yes, the tooth fairy and Santa Claus are REAL!

            That said, the reason pick-up truck sales are through the roof is, in the event Harris can actually follow through and implement what Biden professes to support, “ambitious fuel economy standards”, trucks will become more expensive and less useful in the future.

            I don’t necessarily disagree with the Democrats’ “stated” noble goal to reduce greenhouse gases. But I disagree with their more idiotic version of the generally idiotic American version of getting there.

            If you want less greenhouse gas, burn less fossil fuels. If you want to burn less fossil fuels, tax them. It’s not that hard. Europeans, Asian, even our cultural cousins, the CANADIANS and Australians, all drive smaller vehicles fewer miles and use less motor fuel as a result.

            So tax fuel. Pay for the welfare state, the sins of the past, the dumb wars… Tax it! The people who REALLY NEED to drive a 6,000 lb vehicle will do so, and pass on the price of their services, and others will make do with something smaller and more fuel efficient. Or they won’t drive 100 miles round trip to live in a huge house.

            Otherwise, please, stop sticking us with dumb, costly, annoying ideas–like STOP/START, and 10-speed transmissions on family vehicles that do very little more than a 6-speed, but cost more to buy and fix.

            There is no free lunch. The fact that so many Americans voted “for” Biden, and also many, probably most, who voted “for” Trump shows that many people think “with technology, we can have our cake and eat it too”.

            How is modern tech doing with COVID?

            How willing is the US to confront the reality that we use a hugely inordinate proportion of the world’s fuel supplies? Probably not very.

            Stick to cars here, please.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Earthjustice. Now we know where we’re going.

  • avatar
    6250Claimer

    “Obama all-stars” is an oxymoron

    • 0 avatar
      thegamper

      Regardless of what you think of their politics, at least they are technically qualified to hold the positions. I think Trump’s only qualifications to serve in any sort of appointed executive branch position is that you don’t tell on him when he does illegal $hit, destroy the evidence when he does, never testify against him and nod in agreement at everything he says no matter how devoid of common sense or factual evidence it is. It is going to be a brutal winter if Donald Trump comes on television and tells everyone that coats aren’t effective.

      I can only imagine that the document burning must be in super high gear right about now to the point maybe the US will surpass China in greenhouse gas emissions for the last 70 days or so of Trump’s term.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        thegamper,

        you’re just an incompetent commenter, who brings the total lies and when caught red-handed, does not have courage to say, “sorry, I was wrong. you’re right.” You just cowardly hide and reappear only to post another lie

        Just like in this “burning” comment of yours. As if Trump is a keeper of these documents. This is all in the agencies. All documents are registered and archived and no burning can happen as they go through one paper pushing bozo to another. Besides most of these documents are publicly available on the agencies web sites.

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42

          Slavuta:

          Going ad hominem just shows you don’t have a real argument. [shrug]

        • 0 avatar
          thegamper

          slatuva, I would be concerned if I had the slightest idea what you were talking about. But I will say that you should check out NewsMax. It is the latest new source for those not concerned with reality. I was just reading about it today, I think you can go there to get all your information and never have to worry about factual support.

          Sorry I don’t sit here and hit refresh on the page to see the follow up comments. I’m lucky if I get a chance to revisit any of my comments and even then, I generally only reply to coherent thoughts. I have other things to do besides make tinfoil hats and support your supreme leader. Stay tuned and be ready man, he may call on you soon to save the nation from liberals so totalitarianism can thrive as the founders intended.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “I can only imagine that the document burning must be in super high gear right about now”

          @slavuta –
          I take it that metaphors aren’t your strong point?

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Lou,

            you think it was a metaphor? Document burning was real, climate change was metaphor – this is how I understood it.

      • 0 avatar
        Superdessucke

        Sounds like you have some inside information. Do tell!

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      slavuta,

      “sorry, I was wrong. you’re right.”

      Haven’t you noticed that people in this country are immune to icky things like truth? They also never recant or change their opinions. Most of the “opinions” they hold are mass produced by the outstanding media we have. The beauty of this approach is that it prevents the ugly scenario where opinions that are based on thought and evidence can change if new evidence leads to thought which leads to a different conclusion. Anyone of a progressive mindset can immediately understand the advantage of doing things this way. It also relieves those in the political arena from any burdensome worry as to whether the policies they champion might affect their press coverage. The idea that opinion and reality should be related has been done away with as the reactionary relic that it is. I hope this clears things up for you.

  • avatar
    Pig_Iron

    Re fracking: In 2019, Biden said “we would make sure it’s eliminated”.
    Are these the “All Stars’ who told energy workers to “learn to code”?
    (●’◡’●)

    • 0 avatar
      Kendahl

      The point of fracking is that it doesn’t need to be done. It only needs to exist. It sets an upper limit on what producers can charge for a barrel of crude. Exceed that limit and fracking becomes profitable.

  • avatar
    Rick T.

    Struggling to find evidence in the article to support the headline.

  • avatar
    Funky D

    I’m sure there will be a place for Hunter Biden to milk Ukranian and Chinese companies for bribes … err … “employment” … too.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Ukraine is the most corrupt country in the world officially. And their officials are ecstatic about Biden’s return. But then I’ve used words “corrupt” and “Biden” in the same sentence again….oops

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        @slavuta,
        “Ukraine is the most corrupt country in the world officially. And their officials are ecstatic about Biden’s return. But then I’ve used words “corrupt” and “Biden” in the same sentence again….oops”

        You do realize that Trump was rightfully impeached for trying to pressure corrupt Ukranian officials into helping him get re-elected, right?

        Trump acts like a corrupt mob boss, and not a smart one. That’s what got him impeached — and rightfully so.

        Yeah, Hunter Biden isn’t perfect. But he’s definitely the less corrupt of the two.

        Personally, I would have preferred a wonky economist like Elizebeth Warren. But, Biden is the the best choice remaining.

        Thankfully, the United States has moved on from Trump, even if you personally have not. Biden/Harris is definitely an upgrade in terms of intelligence, integrity, morals, and policy goals. Maybe someone else will be an upgrade in 2024 — or maybe not. We always need to be upgrading.

        • 0 avatar
          Dartdude

          Dude, wake up the election frauds are being exposed now. Prepare for Trump’s second term. The Biden family are grifters. Remember that the biggest water disaster happened on the Colorado River by Obama’s Epa. You may like having illegal people here well most of Americans prefer having our borders protected. I bet you have them mow you yard for $5,00 a month.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            When DEMs were worried about online voting
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyKtEyJ2qmk

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “wake up the election frauds are being exposed now”

            Like what, 100 or so?

            Orange Kool-Aid expiry date is noon EST (17:00 UTC) on January 20, 2021.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Luke42,

          are you watching a different TV set? Biden blackmailed Ukraine by 1 billion dollars. These phone conversations are all over youtube in English because Poroshenko speaks English. Biden told Poroshenko – get rid of this guy (attorney general Viktor Shokhin). Poroshenko tells Biden – this guys is honest, people will not understand. Biden – you are not getting $1B.
          Reuters 2016 – “Poroshenko squeezed out the previous top prosecutor, Viktor Shokhin.”
          Comes new guy – Yuriy Lutsenko.
          Today – Viktor Shokhin still lives in his apartment. Yuriy Lutsenko lives in huge mansion near London.

          The only thing Trump said, he wanted to know if there was crime committed in Ukraine, to help US in its internal investigations.

          I saw this fake impeachment, all the hearings. It was a freak show. One guy was like – we needed this aid to Ukraine because their soldiers are facing Russian tanks. Same day, Ukrainian minister of defense has press conference on state of affairs on the front lines – “there were couple exchanges of small arms fire… [answering a question] we’re not facing any Russian army units”. Another guy at the hearing – we needed to ship Javelins to Ukraine because Russian tanks are coming. Well.. one – these Javelins are shipped under condition that they will not be used at this war, kept 300 miles away, mostly for training of the soldiers when they potentially join NATO. Two – these Javelins are some old crap. Last month a Ukrainian soldier tried to fire it and it failed to come out from the launcher. And this wasn’t the first time.

          The fake impeachment about fake money, which Ukraine would never see anyways. Because that was a credit for the equipment that would be shipped to Ukraine. So, money would go straight from one US bank account to another. And equipment would be shipped who knows when.

          ” Hunter Biden isn’t perfect” oh well. He is not “not perfect”. He is a trunk slamming jagaloon jamoke.

          • 0 avatar
            Luke42

            @slavuta,
            “are you watching a different TV set?”

            Only old people watch TV in such a way that this question makes any sense.

            I stopped watching TV News in 2004.

            I read my news instead, from a wide variety of sources foreign and domestic (Reuters/BBC/CBC/ABC).

            I do have a particular appreciation for “The Failing New York Times”, though — Trump doesn’t like them because they fail to stroke his ego, but newspapers are supposed to hold politicians accountable. They are pretty good about fact checking and enforcing standards — not perfect, but they are a lot better than, say, Fox. Or Newsmax, LOL.

            Reading news gives me more time to slow down and fact-check, which is particularly important in the Trump era — because fact checking the crazy things he says typically takes a lot longer than it takes for him to say it.

            Also, who has time to sit on the couch and watch TV these days?!? My boss and my kids all keep my busy 24/7.

            I am definitely not “watching the same TV set” as you, because I am not watching any “TV set”.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Luke42 –

            If one looks at the actual “News” at Fox News, they do a decent job i.e. guys like Neil Cavuto and Chris Wallace. Shepard Smith quit since he couldn’t stomach the bullsh!t from the opinion side of Fox.

            Unfortunately the real problem lies with cable news opinion hosts. They add fuel to the partisanship fire.

            Another problem is social media. Their algorithms work great to find common interests among hobbyists but are bad at providing real news since they link up like-minded people. That exposes people to only one viewpoint and a host of mis/disinformation.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Luke42

          all good channels are streaming on YouTube. But PBS on tv is great. you get a window into the government. This is the problem. Most people don’t watch the entire procedure. Only highlights. And they don’t understand what kind idiots our democratic party senators are. I am thinking, Booker or Hirono. Easy 1st and 2nd place of incompetency. Reuters/BBC – trash. BBC is government info with left leaning shows. NYT – crap. I feel sorry for America. News here is crap.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Sid,

          UK gov can pressure BBC through amending the Royal Charter and the license fee. When I learned this, I was like wow, gov again!

  • avatar
    Oberkanone

    Revoke CA exemption to set emissions limits.
    One Nation, One Standard! Bring the nation together Biden!

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    Hold onto your wallet…

  • avatar
    brn

    I haven’t read the comments yet, but I sure hope they’re not political.

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    Automotive Dream Team.

    We are all Californians now…

    (Is there an echo in here? echo in here?)

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      I see. This is “Ich bin ein Berliner” comment. But the difference, that was voluntary. And we are forced.

    • 0 avatar
      ToolGuy

      Weather looks nice enough tonight (global warming?) and rising sea levels haven’t flooded my backyard yet (2020 election caught this just in time?), so I think I’ll sit out by the firepit and burn some sticks and logs – while it is still legal in my state to do so.

      [Do I sound paranoid? Open the bottom drawer of that toolbox over there and tell me if you see any evidence of California regulations on the self-sealing can of R134a. CARB’s influence carries for 2000 miles? Given enough time it does.]

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Just make sure to eat enough beef before they put limit of number of cows.

        BTW, leaf burning here is prohibited. But you can lace your tomatoes with roudup all day long

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          slavuta,

          “But you can lace your tomatoes with roudup all day long,”

          Roundup is good for you. But, not good for tomatoes. I think you mean one can saturate ones tomatoes with insecticides all day long. But, the good stuff like DDT and Chlordane are all banned now, sigh.

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        The one that drives me nuts is the sealed gas can I had to buy when my good old one bit the dust. It is now sitting in the garage looking like a prune because it was last used during warm weather. It is colder now and the air inside has shrunk. Because of the great wisdom with which it was designed there is no provision for venting either under-pressure or over-pressure. And, I think it only gets a bit more gas into the atmosphere overall than my normal old can with a vent did.

        • 0 avatar
          ToolGuy

          Yes the newer gas cans are terrible:
          • Easier to spill when filling your equipment
          • Significantly more expensive
          • Unsafe [my hypothesis] because of the shrinkage/expansion issue – when the plastic finally lets go along the seam we’re going to have significant spillage and fumes in a closed space (my detached shed)

          My current workaround is a very very very small hole in the center of the vent cap. This only applies if you can keep the can absolutely flat and level during storage and transport. [A bit of localized heat will un-do your work later if needed (with the vent cap OFF the can, obviously).]

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            ToolGuy,

            And, don’t forget the joy of holding up a full five gallon can in an awkward position with one hand because the other hand has to squeeze the stupid button to let the gas out.

  • avatar
    DenverMike

    All it means is hundreds of billions more dollars will be extorted annually from automakers under the Obama rules so automakers can continue offering whatever sells the most at the greatest profits, even if they also pollute the most.

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    So long nice vehicles. This Alzheimers riddled fool is going to do his best to end the car industry. He’s bringing all the activists on board. This country is going to be destroyed in the next 4 years.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Apparently, he liked it in USSR and wanted to stay longer
      youtu.be/Q21xN8foxxg?t=14

    • 0 avatar
      Superdessucke

      I think we’re going to definitely see a shift away from the behemoths we’ve been seeing. The good news at least is BMW’s grills might get smaller.

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      EBFlex,

      “This country is going to be destroyed in the next 4 years.”

      Oh, I don’t think it will take them four years to destroy this country. From the destruction they’ve already done (sometimes referred to somewhat euphemistically as: “peaceful protest”), I’d have to say it will take a lot less then 4 years.

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    “This is our most desperate hour. Help me Nancy Pelosi, you’re my only hope.”

  • avatar
    Toothless

    Your conclusion is misleading and simplistic. When the Paris Agreement was signed, China’s economy was growing at 10%+. Holding the line on emissions for the next 10 years with that kind of economic growth is ambitious. As well, the US generates 17 tonnes CO2e per person per year while China produces 5 tonnes per per person per year. Given how much more we emit, why, do you think the US’s 2030 targets not fair?

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    To the Slavutas, you have slipped back and forth between your perfectly fluent in English and your rudimentary mastery of English persona multiple times in just this thread.

    So are there multiple posters using the same sign in name?

    It does appear that you post primarily regarding only two issues a) attempting to make Ukraine appear in a bad light, and b) supporting hardline right wing causes such as advocating for a right wing coup in the USA.

    What ‘foreign’ nation has exhibited the same interest in both of these issues?

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      you should get some readings on the news from Ukraine. People (real extremists, Uki Nazis) are burning tires and building gallows in front of the houses of the members of Ukrainian Supreme court, while president tries to get rid of people in the supreme court. Because supreme court does not want to allow unconstitutional things. Ukraine is on the verge of another coup/revolution/whatever. What is nice about Ukraine in the last 6 years? or perhaps 30 years? This country once established UN. And if you missed Nazi torch marches in 1935 Germany, you can catch up on the streets of Ukrainian cities today. I hope this explains the [a] part

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      For the [b] part, I just have never seen, through the history of the world that nice guys would stop left plague. Only Pinochet, Franco, and Greeks with British guns, Italian mafia – these who stopped left.

      There is this liberal guy in Russia – Alexander Sitin. Every American should listen to him. He explains the difference between liberals and left. And being liberal, he says, “you must destroy left every time you see them, or they will destroy you, your country, etc.”

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “difference between liberals and left”

        Well, the “left” can include liberals, socialists and communists. It’s a spectrum. You can be neo-liberal or libertarian and be on the “right”.

        A quick google defines liberal as: 1. a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
        2.a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

  • avatar
    DC Bruce

    Well, this will last about 2 years (assuming Biden/Harris’s election is confirmed, which seems likely) until the 2022 midterms. That is assuming the likely and predicted economic consequences of all of this foolishness comes to pass. In the Senate, there are more Democrats up for re-election in ’22; and if the Democrats’ octogenarian crew (Pelosi, Hoyer, Clyburn) continues to run the House, their majority will be wiped out.

    I say “foolishness” because large amounts of US electricity are generated by burning fossil fuels (although cheaper–and cleaner–natural gas has displaced coal for economic reasons). So, rather than promote a proven workable and effective technology — hybridization — gobs of public and private money is being thrown at EVs, even though a large segment of the population can’t use them either because or lack of access to overnight charging or because of range issues.

    As an example, the new Toyota minivan — a legitimate 6 or 7 passenger vehicle — is available only as a hybrid and is EPA rated at something over 30 mpg. According to a few reviews I’ve read, in real world use, it achieves those ratings.

    But there’s big money to be made in “renewables” and selling clean air credits (Tesla), so hybridization has pretty much stalled.

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      slavuta

      I was going more radical ways. To buy an 8cyl pickup, one would need a proof of business. In other words there no need for you to have a powerful pickup for pleasure. Also, this would force trunk slamming carpenters and others to register business officially, if they want continue using pickups.

      However, the hard truth is, to curb emissions you need to curb people. Cut down number of pets a family can have, etc. When immigrants come to US they start to consume more and CO2 increases if the same person lives in a different country.

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      Lou_BC

      @DC Bruce – Unless the Democrats turn Georgia in the January run-offs, Biden isn’t going to be able to do anything. The Republican Senate Majority will kill all of it.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        Even if they do win both races, Joe Manchin (D-WV) has already said he would not vote for things like the Green New Deal and packing the court. You look at the state that he represents and he really can’t support that stuff…he’d be out of a job. He really is sort of the last of the old school “Blue Dog” Democrats.

        I don’t believe they flip both of those seats though…Jon Osoff lost by nearly 2 points in an environment where Biden won at the top of the ticket. I don’t see where he gets the votes. Republicans will turn out because their TV is currently airing every far left thing that Pelosi/AOC/The Squad have supported. A democrat senate is the apacolypse to them. So how do the democrat senate candidates repeat the level of enthusiasm that led them to show up and dump Trump AND find another nearly 100k votes that they lost by in the Perdue Race. I don’t see it.

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    White Shadow

    The stupidity here is sad. Trump is not serving a consecutive second term. The country will not be destroyed in the next four years. And nothing significant will change in the automotive world. Fuel prices always vary due to a number of different reasons. ICE vehicles aren’t going away anytime soon.

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