By on August 20, 2020

Goodyear found itself in a hornet’s nest this week, following a leaked diversity training slideshow that included a ban on Make America Great Again (MAGA) attire and sentiments. Incoming Goodyear employees at its plant in Topeka, Kansas, were allegedly warned about inappropriate political displays.

While “Black Lives Matter” and “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Pride” were considered acceptable, “Blue Lives Matter,” “All Lives Matter,” “MAGA Attire” and “Political Affiliated Slogans or Material” were listed in the unacceptable section.

The leak quickly garnered ire from President Trump as it circulated around the internet, who used social media to effectively support the preexisting campaign to boycott the company’s tires — adding that he would make sure Goodyear rubber is removed from the presidential limousine, posthaste. As you might have expected, this kicked up a media storm that brought more attention to the boycott Goodyear never wanted, while also placing it the center of a political fracas.

While the media has broadly framed this as “cancel culture”  something Trump and the GOP has consistently condemned  boycotts frequently offer a path to redemption and often exist as way to encourage change.

Meanwhile, cancel culture typically serves to unseat specific problematic individuals after having committed a presumed offense, as well as bring about the general removal of content deemed unsavory by those enacting social justice. Funnily enough, Trump has conflated boycotts with cancel culture in the past, and the media now seems to be doing the same to him. But we’re not interested in diving into the political swamp any further than necessary. For our purposes, the important issue is how badly this seems to be impacting Goodyear’s business… and attempting to uncover what actually happened.

That’s been made difficult by the tire company denying the image in question was created or distributed by its corporate office. Goodyear suggests it was not part of any diversity training course for new hires. However, it also didn’t claim the image had been digitally manipulated, nor did it deny that the slide was used for a presentation in Topeka. It likewise said it supported bans on political messaging within the company, creating an odd level of conflict in respect to its own guidelines.

“To be clear on our longstanding corporate policy, Goodyear has zero tolerance for any forms of harassment or discrimination,” Goodyear explained in a statement. “As part of this commitment, we do allow our associates to express their support on racial injustice and other equity issues but ask that they refrain from workplace expressions, verbal or otherwise, in support of political campaigning for any candidate or political party as well as other similar forms of advocacy that fall outside the scope of equity issues.”

It should be said that tons of companies openly supported the Black Lives Matter (BLM) organization following the civil unrest that occurred in response to the death of George Floyd  either financially, or through corporate messaging. It was commonplace, and they were all well within their rights as private entities. But Goodyear doesn’t seem to understand that this stance is already in violation of its own stated terms. BLM (the organization) is overtly political and qualifies as a political entity for all intents and purposes, even if the slogan by itself does not.

Which makes this whole issue incredibly murky. However, the die had been cast, and Goodyear was now being mentioned in White House press briefings, starting with Trump answering questions about whether supported the boycott and what would happen if it cost people jobs. “I would be very much in favor of people [who] don’t want to buy there. And you know what, they’ll be able to get a good job,” he said. “You’ll be able to get another good job. I think it’s disgraceful that [Goodyear] did this.”

 

On Wednesday evening, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany accused Goodyear of targeting conservatives and said the company needed to make its corporate policies absolutely clear to avoid any further confusion.

By now there’s no real way for the tire company to handle this without alienating a large portion of its customer base.

As the issue gained traction online, even Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden brought it up. “President Trump doesn’t have a clue about the dignity and worth that comes with good-paying union jobs at places like Goodyear — jobs that can support a family and sustain a community,” he said.

So now this is an union issue, too? Jesus.

This whole thing has spun out of control, reaching a point where Goodyear’s PR team is probably banging their heads against a wall in the hope that they’ll have a good idea (or be knocked unconscious until the news cycle resets). Damage control has been limited to messaging expressing support for all concepts that were slighted in the slide while indicating a strong commitment toward “fostering an inclusive and respectful workplace where all of our associates can do their best in a spirit of teamwork.” Typical stuff, really.

But real damage is likely to be done to Goodyear’s bottom line. Studies indicate that Americans are increasingly motivated to buy from outfits that align with their personal/political beliefs. An Accenture study suggested this phenomenon probably encompassed around two-thirds of the population in 2018. That’s a lot of tires.

Meanwhile, the business’ stock price went from about $10 per share when the slide-related boycott started gaining traction over the weekend, to around $9.45. While not an outright disaster, the loss is worth noting  even if the general trend of its corporate stock has been seesawing downward since the start of 2018.

[Image: Grindstone Media Group/Shutterstock]

 

 

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137 Comments on “Goodyear Caught in Political Crossfire, Nationwide Boycott...”


  • avatar
    ajla

    “But real damage is likely to be done to Goodyear’s bottom line.”

    I have extreme doubts this will be the case. The best way to handle internet outrage is to do nothing. Goodyear making any statement at all was an error. Things like this have the life of a goldfish in a pot of cyanide. Next week something new will happen and like 2 people will still care about tires. Jack Baruth actually had a good editorial about this sort of thing after the Charlottesville incidents where FCA didn’t say anything about someone using a used Challenger SE to commit a crime, despite some Twitter famous people asking for it. I doubt a single Dodge sale was gained or lost from the inaction.

    thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/08/loyalty-oath-moment-dodge/

    I will say I would prefer if all politicians (that is *ALL OF THEM*) refrained from calling for boycotts of American companies.

  • avatar
    Jerome10

    I doubt we know all the ins-and-outs of this story.

    But one thing I do know….I’m continually beyond amazed how many companies out there just CAN’T stay out of this garbage.

    At most, they should simply have a policy of no political slogans and leave it at that. But this picking sides nonsense is really causing a lot of companies a lot of headaches. Just shut up and sell product/services. At this point anything else is gonna t-off half the population. I’m sure it causes rifts with personnel as well. I mean I guess if your political views or your social media points matter more than revenue, have at it… But to the rest of them just shut up. But apparently the pull is just too strong you can’t keep your mouth shut.

    Hopefully this wakes up other stupid companies but I’m not holding my breath.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      “But this picking sides nonsense is really causing a lot of companies a lot of headaches. Just shut up and sell product/services.”

      Agreed. My company goes so far as to ask its employees to petition their legislators regarding government policies related to the medical products & insurance industry, which I promptly delete. That’s for my company’s leadership to do, not me.

      This is one reason why companies have been deemed ‘persons’ by the Supreme Court. I wish they’d stop making comments about public policy.

    • 0 avatar
      snakebit

      I thought that was the gist of the Goodyear clothing ban – no political-oriented clothing(hats, tee shirts, jackets, etc). But Trump expected an exception, it seems like. People, these are American union jobs, you know, the types of jobs that Trump pestered manufacturers a couple of years ago to keep in the states. On a real level, why the boycott. What next? the Blue Lives and Black Lives Matter people boycotting. Not if these groups can figure out Goodyears’goal here. No politics at work- not Trumps, not elephants or donkeys, not black flags with blue stripes, not black fist flags, no politics-full stop.

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        That indeed was the intent of Goodyear, no political-oriented clothing.

        But then Black Lives Matter clothing started to show up in the work place that expected and got an exception ’cause Goodyear did not want to be labeled as racist.

        I hate to see this happen, but it is going to get worse, much worse.

        The Right tired of being silenced by the Left, found its legs, has started to move and is now hitting companies where it hurts. At the cash register.

        Goodyear is just one of many companies catering to the Left that will be sucked into this boycott vortex.

        • 0 avatar
          randyinrocklin

          On top of that they don’t want you to use any of their TM on their stuff without their permission. That’s why you don’t see many Goodyear (bias ply) white lettered tires on classic cars at the auctions, cuz they will overcharge you big time just to have those old bias ply white letter tires.

          • 0 avatar
            Lorenzo

            They still make bias ply tires? Just for classic cars to be era accurate? That’s ridiculous!

            Do people with classic 1940s-1960s cars use old single viscosity oils and leaded gas too?

            I can see specialty tires for Model-T Fords with their “artillery type” wheels, and similar cars with the old wagon wheels, but 1930s to 1970s classics are no less authentic with radials that fit the original wheels.

        • 0 avatar
          Ol Shel

          The right makes the mistake of thinking that equal rights and equal justice are political issues. They’re not. They’re issues that are only resolved through legislation because bigots refuse to treat others with decency.

          A BLM or Pride message on a shirt is no different than a sports team logo. You can call the logo political if you want, but it’s just another attempt to divide, oppose, and create conflict.

          It’s really easy; no political gear at work. Trump supporters hate that because they want to rule. They want to control. They want to intimidate.

  • avatar
    indi500fan

    I’ve been unimpressed by Goodyear tires since the days I lived in Akron, some 40 yrs ago. Goodyear and Firestone were like GM and Ford, big complacent American companies, well known brands turning out marginal quality products.

    Firestone got acquired by the Japanese who shaped it up, Goodyear continues to plug along. The most recent ones I’ve had were OEM tires on my Cad SRX that were short tread life, and lousy traction in wet/snow.

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      Their Assurance line are the second best all around tires I’ve ever owned.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      “I’ve been unimpressed by Goodyear tires ”

      Me too! Several of my new vehicles came with Goodyear over the decades and I was not pleased with them to spend money for more of them. I’m not going to pile on Goodyear because enough Righties will vote with their wallet to alter Goodyear’s bottom line.

      OTOH, my faves are Michelin, Yokohama, Pirelli and Bridgestone. I found excellent value, wear, ride and handling with those brands over the decades.

    • 0 avatar
      Tele Vision

      I’ve never owned a single Goodyear tire. My Dad was a massive fan of Michelin tires – and rightly so – so that’s what most of my early cars were shod with, whether I liked it or not. I currently run Pirelli Sport Plus ( three-season tires but really only one season ) on my V and 10-ply General AT2 on my Ford. 50,000 Kms on the Caddy’s tires and 50,000 Kms on the trucks’. Both cars need a rotation but the boots are in fine shape.

  • avatar
    Rocket

    I can’t imagine this will go over well with NASCAR Nation. Whoever created that slide, whether with the permission of corporate or not, will soon be unemployed. Somebody will have to take one for the team before this is over.

  • avatar
    FerrariLaFerrariFace

    Then there’s this little related tidbit in today’s racing news. :)

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/20/nascars-trump-2020-car-is-stuck-with-goodyear-tires/

  • avatar
    tylanner

    There isn’t a single fortune 100 company that isn’t publicly and/or privately renouncing most of Trumps rhetoric, because, one, it would be legally perilous to support it and two, it would be deeply detrimental to a companies culture/bottom line…and I take great comfort in that fact…

    It is likely that MAGA would not be allowed at any company that has an HR department…but thankfully, I think shame has already relegated most of that attire to the back of the closet.

    • 0 avatar
      Rocket

      The MAGA thing is only part of the issue. The slide indicated that BLM and LGBT messaging were permitted, but specifically spelled out that “Blue Lives Matter” and “All Lives matter” were not. Needless to say, police didn’t take that too well. I would guess a lot of police vehicles are equipped with Goodyear tires. At least for now.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        Goodyear has a plant in Gadsden, Alabama. I’m assuming this wasn’t that facility.

        • 0 avatar
          jberger

          Goodyear closed the Gadsden plant and moved the production to Mexico earlier this year.

          https://www.al.com/business/2020/04/goodyear-to-close-gadsden-plant-pending-union-approval.html

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Ah, well screw them then.

          • 0 avatar
            Daniel J

            Yeah, and I had an acquaintance that worked at the Gadsden plant.

            Screw goodyear. To suggest BLM isn’t political but Blue Lives Matter is, well, is idiotic. All public issues are political.

            Even the DOD got into trout with this crap.

            http://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/07/09/army-pulls-handout-listing-maga-sign-of-white-supremacist-sympathies.html/

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        “The slide indicated that BLM and LGBT messaging were permitted, but specifically spelled out that “Blue Lives Matter” and “All Lives matter” were not. ”

        I saw that same slide.

      • 0 avatar
        Ol Shel

        Blue Lives and All Lives are both messages against equal justice. They are reactions to BLM by those who prefer to preserve the present inequity.

        It’s not like police aren’t already treated as superior to most other workers.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    “To be clear on our longstanding corporate policy, Goodyear has zero tolerance for any forms of harassment or discrimination”

    Sure, everyone supports free speech until they’re offended by someone else’s free speech. Taking such ‘zero tolerance’ policies literally, they’d have to fire the whole company.

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    Not good Goodyear. You allow support for a Marxist organization that is hellbent on throwing tantrums and destroying cities until they get their way (Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, etc) yet won’t allow someone to wear a hat that shows an interest in making our country the best it can be.

    Wow.

    • 0 avatar
      Lynchenstein

      “yet won’t allow someone to wear a hat that shows an interest in making our country the best it can be”.

      When their idea of “the best it can be” means discrimination against people of colour, then yeah that’s a problem.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        Which of the offered examples do that?

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “ When their idea of “the best it can be” means discrimination against people of colour, then yeah that’s a problem.”

        Yeah that’s actually never happened. Well at least for the right. The left exploits people of color every single election year.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          “The left exploits people of color every single election year.”

          Did you hear that Diamond and Silk along with that Voodoo witch doctor are speaking at the RNC convention?

          Hahahaha!

          • 0 avatar
            Dave M.

            No room for Kanye?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Kanye Kardashian is technically the competition, so no *wink, wink*

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “ Did you hear that Diamond and Silk along with that Voodoo witch doctor are speaking at the RNC convention?”

            Voodoo witch doctor? The one that has more experience with hydroxychloroquine than anyone you blindly believe on CNN?

            Way to miss the point though.

            Maybe you should listen to one of yours. Rose McGowan would be a good start:

            “What have the Democrats done to solve ANYTHING? Help the poor? No. Help black & brown people? No. Stop police brutality? No. Help single mothers? No. Help children? No. You have achieved nothing. NOTHING. Why did people vote Trump? Because of you motherf—kers,”

            “You are the season of darkness. @JoeBiden @dnc You are monsters. You are frauds. You are the lie,”

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “You are the season of darkness. @JoeBiden @dnc You are monsters. You are frauds. You are the lie,”

            Q-Nuts are going to Q-Nut

            Take your meds and have a nice day :)

        • 0 avatar
          randyinrocklin

          I think I remember that slogan on recruiting soldiers. Be the best you can be Army!

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Current right wing definition of “Marxist”: anyone to my left politically.

      LOL…

      • 0 avatar
        56BelAire

        Current left wing definition of “Militant Radicals” burning, smashing, looting…ironically…Left wing cities : Peaceful Protesters.

        That’s a double LOLer….LOL – LOL.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “ Current right wing definition of “Marxist”: anyone to my left politically.

        LOL…”

        Yeah silly me. What was I thinking listening to the founder of BLM (burn, loot, murder):

        “We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists.”

        LOL indeed……

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    You just can’t pick sides…that is really all people are asking. It’s like a baseball game, nobody cares if the Umpire is calling low strikes for both pitchers, but when they are giving one strikes 3 feet off the plate while calling knee high down the middle balls on the other, people get mad.

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      @Art, We may not agree on all issues, but sometimes you hit one out of the park. All clothing endorsing any political viewpoints should be excluded in the workplace. At work we are a team, working towards efficiency and profitability. Anything that distracts us from that or divides us should not be allowed.

      In Ontario unlike some other provinces, political expression is not protected under the Human Rights Code and therefore in theory you could dismiss someone for their political beliefs.

      As an aside, Trump’s political enemies list must now exceed Nixon’s by a very large margin. His lashing out at, threatening and insulting those who disagree with him is tedious and demonstrates a personality/attitude that many believe demeans his office. As one of the most powerful men in the world (that title might now be claimed by the leader of China or the world’s richest man Vladimir Putin), he controls a powerful ‘bully pulpit’ which many previous presidents used rarely.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        Well, a broken clock is right twice a day lol

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “ All clothing endorsing any political viewpoints should be excluded in the workplace. At work we are a team, working towards efficiency and profitability. Anything that distracts us from that or divides us should not be allowed.”

        God what a snowflake nation we’ve become.

        That’s literal insanity. If you can’t work with someone because of their political views or what they’re wearing then you should fine employment elsewhere. Stop being a snowflake and acknowledge that people may not have the same views as you do.

        How YOU react to something is on you, not the person wearing the hat

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “ All clothing endorsing any political viewpoints should be excluded in the workplace. At work we are a team, working towards efficiency and profitability. Anything that distracts us from that or divides us should not be allowed.”

        God what a snowflake nation we’ve become.

        That’s literal insanity. If you can’t work with someone because of their political views or what they’re wearing then you should fine employment elsewhere. Stop being a snowflake and acknowledge that people may not have the same views as you do.

        How YOU react to something is on you, not the person wearing the hat

  • avatar
    rpol35

    The issue will blow over.

    But won’t is that Goodyear, IMHO, makes an overpriced and underperforming tire. They should be more concerned about fixing that problem than delving into political word game shenanigans.

    • 0 avatar
      Sceptic

      Exactly. Their product is inferior. If anything this racist policy may actually improve Goodyear’s image among racist and terrorist sympathizers. But luckily most of the tire businesses are strongly pro Trump. So, purchasing will be affected.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Agree Goodyear should be more concerned about making better tires. I think Goodyear should ban any clothing in the work place that has any message that could be interpreted as political.

  • avatar
    Kendahl

    It’s one thing to ban all political, social and religious advocacy in the workplace. At most the argument becomes a first amendment issue. Goodyear has deliberately chosen certain political/social positions as acceptable, even admirable, while prohibiting others. What we are seeing is a war by arrogant, self righteous political, educational and business elites against the American people.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      “It’s one thing to ban all political, social and religious advocacy in the workplace.”

      this is exactly what my company has. Policy – No discussions at workplace. And the statement is – we do not discriminate based on .

      Done

  • avatar
    slavuta

    I’ve ignored GY even before, for the “quality” of the tires. But now….

    Actually, diversity company is the worst thing these idiots created. I worked for one. They hired 4 of each race/ethnicity into our group. In 1/2 year I left for another job. What we produced was not very good. Working with bunch of idiots also was not very good. I thought, they at least do check if the person is good at what we do. But soon I realized that family tree was the number 1 factor.

  • avatar
    Lie2me

    The way I read it Goodyear did not call out any specific organizations or political groups, but left their policy vague for interpretation, that was a mistake. Someone made up the slide showing specific groups that might fall under these vague categories. Goodyear denies authorizing that slide for use at any company training and I believe them. No responsible corporation would say it’s ok to wear political attire for one side and not the other. No company I ever worked for would allow such a thing

    What is wrong is having a sitting president who is so thin skinned and butthurt that he would call for the boycott of an American company and jeopardize the jobs of 60,000 employees who had nothing to do with corporate policy during a recession without at least doing a fact check

    Ohio is a critical swing state and I doubt this move will help his party

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      Agreed.

      Let’s stay off the hate wagon.

    • 0 avatar
      Rocket

      The presentation was done by an Area Manager, and the employee who took the photo said it was a corporate presentation. Whether that’s accurate or not, one way or another it was generated by a Goodyear employee/department, and the company needs to own that first and foremost. Trump being an idiot does not make the slide okay.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        That area manager should be fired, but let’s not punish all the other employees

        Same in reverse with the Goya Beans mess, why punish the workers making minimum wage?

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      26 facilities in other countries, 15 in USA. So, way less Americans hired than 60K you’ve mentioned

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        A boycott would effect all employees not just the ones in Ohio. Also, it is my understanding that Goodyear is a well respected company with thousands of former and retired employees who might also be effected by a boycott

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      When the opposition trots out Bill Clinton to tell me that Trump’s behavior is “inappropriate”…well, that’s why neither clown is getting my vote.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        I guess Clinton is never going to live that bj down. I hope it was good

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          We aren’t talking JFK and Marilyn Monroe here. She was 22 and he was 49 and when those of us back in 1998 pointed out that this didn’t seem normal we were told stop being prudes and they are consenting adults. Hindsight being 20-20 and all, it probably wasn’t normal.

          Anyhow, in light of where we are in 2020 and in light of some of the places credible witnesses seem to be putting Bill, would it have been crazy to say “Hey Bill, how about you sit this one out”. Instead we get a lecture on how a President should act from him. Awesome.

          Can’t wait for James Carville to show up and start bashing Virginia Roberts Giuffre like he did Paula Jones “You know, you drag a hundred dollar bill through the cabin of the Lolita Express, you never know what you’ll catch”

          Look, if you want to claim the moral high ground over Donald Trump, it isn’t an especially difficult thing to do. But one way to screw it up is to have Bill Clinton come out and make the case. Un-freaking believable.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          And incidentally, this whole “he’s a scumbag but he’s out scumbag” that is prevalent now…yeah, Old Bill is where it started. I will give today’s feminists credit. They seem to have no issue calling out both sides, more or less…but circa 1998 they cut a deal with the devil.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          The question is, which bj you’re talking about? Seem, there is a trail in there

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          “ I guess Clinton is never going to live that bj down. I hope it was good”

          Should we talk about the pics of Slick Willy at Epstines Island or are we going to continue to ignore those?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            The pictures of a fully clothed adult woman giving a neck massage to a fully clothed adult man? Oh, the horror of it all. I sure hope he didn’t grab her by the pu…

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            Again @ArtV nails it. Why drag Slick Willy back out? In any other organization his actions with an intern would have resulted in his dismissal.

            However Trump supporters should not be playing the Epstein card, seeing how Trump has his own connections to that squalid character.

            And while Trump continues to describe any woman who opposes or questions him as ‘nasty’ when it comes to the woman charged with being Epstein’s procurer he “wishes her well”. ‘Nuff said.

            And does anyone here actually believe that Epstein committed suicide?

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Agreed, the losers in these little cancel-culture jihads are the working stiffs. That’s why I don’t outright boycott places like Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil-A, even though both are owned by people who would love to see my two daughters, who are both queer, riding the back of the bus.

      The fact of the matter is this: the idiots who own these companies and insist on sticking their “Onward Christian Soldiers” values into their business aren’t going to go hungry because of an effective boycott, but their employees will.

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        FreedMike, I never understood why homosexuals sought special recognition and preferred treatment for being homosexual. The former openly-gay Ambassador to Germany (who’s name escapes me for the moment) was quoted as saying that they should want to fit in without differentiation, after he was criticized for being a Trump supporter.

        He also stated for the record that for Trump homosexuality was not an issue, but merit and job performance was.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Don’t you have some “hired help” out back in the barn that need feeding?

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            Nah, I quit working the end of 2015 and switched from the Working Class to the Leisure Class.

            But since you bring up “hired help”, there currently exists a severe shortage of illegal aliens in my area.

            Seems most of them have either been deported or refused entry across the Zaragosa Bridge.

            This is serious business in this area where more than 25% of the workforce is illegal aliens doing the work the American citizens refuse to do.

            IOW, the work just doesn’t get done. Washing dishes has been replaced by paper products and unpicked crops are plowed under.

  • avatar
    CKNSLS Sierra SLT

    I have Goodyear Eagle LS (OEM) tires on my truck. Those things are good to need to be replaced at around 30,000 miles. And they break loose (sipes do not run the entire depth of the tire) running over a wet sponge.

    Good bye Goodyear!

    And yes-they should just ban all slogans altogether. Problem solved!

  • avatar
    brn

    Do we get angry with Goodyear for what may or may not have happened?

    How about we get made at a culture that has pushed professional diversity training to such an absurd point? If we don’t get back to the center, we’re going to destroy ourselves.

  • avatar
    conundrum

    More hot air from the country that believes in magic cures for the virus. The society where dopes believe some Mango Mussolini has put more money in their pockets and kicked the asses of the rich, when the opposite is the truth. When people believe the opposite of the tuth and masochistically smile when they’re kicked to the ground, there is no long term hope. Their collective brains have fried.

  • avatar
    R Henry

    I believe the core problem in contemporary American, and larger Western, culture is our unwillingness to accept that other people can disagree with us, while remaining good people and good citizens.

    The idea that those who disagree with us are not only wrong, but EVIL, is the foundation for all the venom and tension in our society–at Goodyear, and everywhere else.

    Yes, I do hold social media largely responsible. That medium, through structure and function, encourages posters to emotionally REACT, not to RESPOND thoughtfully or reasonably. Reaction and Response are two very different things!

    Unless and until each of us, to a man and woman, learns to accept that other perspectives can conflict with our own, yet remain legitimate, we are lost.

    Each of us have within our power, the ability to fully reject this corrosive element of culture, do it NOW!

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      The problem is, company managements suddenly decide that employees can’t have opinion different from theirs. Employees can disagree and go back to their workstations. But why do I need someone push on me their views. In fact, you push it on me – I’ll resist strongly into opposite

    • 0 avatar
      Daniel J

      What ends up happening is an employee walks in with a BLM shirt and management has a policy that none of its allowed, from both sides.

      Then then that individual goes to the media about and and the media calls out the company for not “allowing for inclusion of ideas” or “the company is racist” and yada yada yada. Companies simply need to have balls and fight back, especially if the policy applies for all politics in workplace.

      You go to work to get paid and do a job, not to “express yourself”.

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      @RHenry: I agree. Faceless/nameless communication can lead to aggression. I belong to another site where some of the people who opposed each other politically met to discuss their differences over a game of golf and discovered that in person they got along.

      • 0 avatar
        R Henry

        @ArthurDailey

        Yes, anonymous online attack is very different than face to face reasoned debate.

        As Western society becomes more and more digital, I fear that we will forget how to resolve conflicts on a face-to face-basis.

        I also believe this is the core issue which creates so much consternation related to putting on facemasks for virus safety, though very few individuals have been able to successfully articulate their concern. A mask can make us as anonymous as a fake online nickname, and many people have an emotional revulsion to this.

        Without the vital non-verbal (facial expressions, etc.) cues our minds have evolved to interpret, the human mind has great difficulty assessing integrity, trustworthiness, and compatibility.

  • avatar
    schmitt trigger

    Tires are not like cereal, which one requires to purchase in relatively short intervals.
    By the time a new tire change is required, most people will have forgotten this incident.

    In other words, is far easier that these types of boycotts to have an effect on Kellog’s than Goodyear.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      Not to mention that a good percentage of their business is OEM! And unless multiple tire brands are specified for a particular vehicle and trim (Honda being an example; Michelin Primacy MXXMs and Goodyear Assurances on the 2.0T models), you either take what is on the vehicle, or find another make and model!

      (Full disclosure: my 2019 Accord is the second one I’ve dealer-ordered, in part to attempt to specify the Michelins over the Goodyears. So far I’m 2 for 2!)

      • 0 avatar
        56BelAire

        Back in the day, more than once when buying new cars I had dealers swaps out tires and wheels(from a different new model in stock) if I didn’t like the ones on the car I was buying……I doubt most dealers would do this today.

    • 0 avatar
      Sceptic

      Not true. Distributors will buy whatever sells. People driving by will not shop a Goodyear branded shops when a Firestone place is a block away. When making a car purchase educated consumer always checks the brand of tire installed on the new ride. Purchasing managers are very sensitive to what to order.

  • avatar
    Whatnext

    Here’s an idea that’s a blast from the past. Company uniform.

    Everyoen has to wear the same thing and no embellishments.

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      My company requires a minimum amount of flair on the uniform, but if you want to just do the minimum…

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Some workers at the Goodyear plant were wearing MAGA baseball caps. That’s what started this cacophony.

      • 0 avatar
        Sceptic

        @highdesertcat thanks for the information. The Ohio working class sympathies are obvious. Trump will take Ohio.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          You’re kidding, right? Just the opposite is happening

          “Goodyear tire workers rally after Trump’s call for boycott of Akron company”

          https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/akron-canton-news/11-am-watch-goodyear-tire-workers-rally-after-trumps-call-for-boycott-of-akron-company

          • 0 avatar
            Sceptic

            @Lie2me Are you serious? To quote:
            “Dozens of Goodyear workers, retirees, union members and supporters gathered at the United Steelworkers Local 2 offices in Akron on Thursday…”
            https://www.cleveland.com/politics/2020/08/akron-workers-elected-officials-rally-in-support-of-goodyear-after-president-donald-trump-called-for-boycott.html

            Stop deceiving yourself. Dozens of union drones are irrelevant. Goodyear must apologize to its employees, the police and the public for its racist behavior.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            The drones are divided on this themselves.

            There are those who want to wear politically-explicit clothing to show their support for the DNC but then vehemently object when others wear clothing in support of President Trump’s MAGA policies.

            The ones protesting Trump’s call for a Goodyear Boycott support the DNC and their right to wear the allowed political slogans.

    • 0 avatar
      SnarkyRichard

      I’m surprised they don’t supply work uniforms from a uniform rental company . Requiring the employees to wear hard hats or bump caps might even give them a break on their insurance.

  • avatar

    Good riddance. I never ever considered crap made by Goodyear. Only Japanese brand tires – excellent quality and good value.

    These guys to whom black lives matter (as if, they don’t really give a sh!t) will be the first ones to be sent to labor camps when their proteges take power.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Black Lives Matter is a far-left political organization promoting DNC interests, not just a slogan.

      • 0 avatar

        and collecting tens of millions of dollars that are directly go to DNC. Money you pay for American brand products go to the campaign of the candidate you do not support. That is the problem when American companies choose the sides.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          “That is the problem when American companies choose the sides.”

          And when they do they may offend one of those sides, with monetary consequences to follow.

          Goodyear never cared much about the passenger car market because their cash cow is Airlines, Racing, and Heavy Industry, maybe not in that order.

          • 0 avatar
            Dave M.

            A long-standing 3rd generation family autobody repair facility down the road from me started posting anti-Obama stuff on their exterior sign back around 2010; then pro-Trump and anti-blue messages since 2016. They closed their doors for good in February; the owner said business dropped off 60% in the past 4 years.

            Message to business owners (and entertainers and pro athletes as well): please don’t pontificate about politics. Regardless of which way you lean, I don’t want to know your politics.

      • 0 avatar
        Luke42

        @HDC
        “Black Lives Matter is a far-left political organization promoting DNC interests, not just a slogan.”

        Not wanting to be killed by the police is a mainstream position in my world.

        It’s hard to come up defensible reasons why anyone would support allowing police officers to kill regular people with impunity.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Luke42,

          do you live in Honduras?

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          @Luke, yes, it 100 percent is. The problem here is that they weren’t allowing slogans like “blue lives matter” It is possible to support reforming policing in this country and locking bad cops up but also realize that many police officers are doing the right thing and now in some cities are faced with an increasingly impossible task. Some of those same employees likely have family members in law enforcement…are they not allowed to support them?

          Again, if the answer is no, they can’t…this is a professional workplace then so be it, but don’t be surprised when they get a little upset when they then turn to someone else and say “but your politics are cool”

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Slavery – bringing means of production to the production site
      Globalization – bringing production site to the means of production

      Globalization = Slavery.

  • avatar
    JaySeis

    The Declaration of a Independence and Constitution have good words.

    The Preamble of the Constitution

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Or the Gettysburg address.

    a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal

    government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    Forget the politics – the interesting question here to me:

    -> How long would it realistically take to re-source the tires on The Beast(s), including all of the non-stock features [on the tires]?

    Picture in your mind how yuge the current presidential state car is – and now realize that it is much yuger than that – the whole thing is set up as an optical illusion. That’s something like 3.5 Suburbans worth of curb weight (depending on which source you believe). Check out the third picture here for some indication of what I’m talking about:

    https://tinyurl.com/third-picture-here

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    When I was a young lad I was a big fan of the Goodyear Blimp. My grandmother, who had a larger toy budget than did my parents, got me this Revell model kit with actual moving signs (mechanical – you colored in the dots on the grid which rotated behind another grid, making a ‘blinking’ motion effect):

    https://tinyurl.com/y6jsgao9

    https://youtu.be/rIcoxWE_1C0?t=6

    Mom surprised me one day with a trip across town to see the Goodyear Blimp up close (moored on the ground, and then taking off). First time I ever remember becoming aware of someone flirting with my mom. Back off, Goodyear Blimp pilot guy – LOL.

  • avatar
    Dan

    This doesn’t give me warm and fuzzies for Goodyear but don’t kid yourself that it’s okay to be white anywhere else in the American corporate world either.

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      I’m white, and it hasn’t held me back in my career — including my current corporate gig.

      That should be true for non-white folks, too. Which is the point.

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      Here in Toronto we have seen videos of a Sheriff’s Department Officer physically assaulting the President of our NBA team immediately after they won the Championship.

      The Officer pushed to have Masai Ujiri charged with assault, and has launched a civil suit against him.

      View the video (widely available on Youtube) and you can determine who assaulted who. And would this have happened if Mr Ujiri was white?

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/sport/masai-ujiri-toronto-raptors-push-nba-san-francisco-spt-intl/index.html

  • avatar
    subuclayton

    There’s Black Lives Matter that is a comment about unarmed black people being killed by police.

    The there’s Black Lives Matter the violent, anti-semitic, openly Communist political party.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Getting tired of hearing about boycotts. Goodyear needs to have an explicit policy that wearing any kind of apparel that promotes any cause should not be allowed in the workplace. Better yet might be that Goodyear provides uniforms to its employees.

  • avatar
    cammark

    “The leak…”

    “As the issue gained traction online…”

    “This whole thing has spun out of control…”

    Slow clap for the tire puns Mr. Posky.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      It’s time to re-TIRE those jokes, they’ve become a little FLAT ;-)

    • 0 avatar
      JimC2

      This is very nuanced. It’s not a simple black and whitewall issue. This is going to galvanize, no *vulcanize* a rolling resistance.

      I’ll leave it to follow-on posters to make puns about hot air, tread lightly, hiss, road hazard, seat the bead, carcass, something about Lincoln’s head (using a penny as a tread depth gauge, good luck making a pun with this one but I’ll be super impressed if any of you can pull it off), mileage…

  • avatar
    thegamper

    Anything with Trump’s name or brand on it is pretty toxic. I can’t fault any company for wanting to distance themselves from anything MAGA. It may actually increase sales for Goodyear. I was looking at goodyear replacement tires just this morning specifically because of this story. The only people who would go out of their way to avoid a goodyear product because of this story are the special select groups who buy into Trump hook, line and sinker.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      Heard online, “I’m never going to buy another Goodyear tire, ever”

      Response, “Dude, you don’t even have a car”

      *snicker*

    • 0 avatar
      Sceptic

      @thegamper Making bad purchase because of your political affiliation is self defeating. Goodyear make inferior product at unrealistic price, period. Enjoy your ride, but never forget about Natural selection. Poor choices lead to poor results, no way around it.

  • avatar
    Sceptic

    I always knew that Gyear made inferior product for the price and stayed away from their tires. This only proves that they they are crap company. Cooper and Sumitomo would be better choices due to higher quality and better price to boot. Michelin or Pirelli if the best is needed for customer.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    The only tires available for my prior 2 trucks were Goodyear and Hankook which I bought Goodyear’s for. The same tire choices for my 2008 Ranger but this time I bought Hankook and for the price Hankook’s are better. Before buying my first set of Goodyear tires in 2013 the last time I bought or had Goodyear tires was 1975. I will not boycott Goodyear tires based on politics but I will not buy them based on inferior quality at a higher price. I could say the same for new GM and FCA vehicles. As for Ford their management and declining quality is leading me to not buy another Ford product new. I did buy a set of Pirelli’s for my 2012 Buick Lacrosse and I have bought numerous sets of Michelin’s in the past.

  • avatar
    RamblerAmerican

    We have enough economic problems in Northeast Ohio that we don’t need to get into a fight about “liberal” and “conservative” brand tires. We recently lost thousands of jobs at the GM Lordstown plant near Youngstown. Years ago, we lost Firestone to the Japanese (Bridgestone) and most jobs were moved out of Akron. We don’t need to lose any more companies or jobs in our region as the result of our country’s culture wars.

  • avatar
    Flipper35

    I just wished they didn’t make such crappy tires. The Eagle LS were the worst tires I have ever had and would take tires down to the wear bars over new LS. I think those are what Jack had on his car for the accident as well.

    I have only had one good set of tires from them and that was the Goodyear Blue Streak for the Cobra. Now THEY had grip in all weather!

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    I’d imagine Goodyear makes the bulk of their money selling to OEM’s and more often than not they end up getting replaced by another brand anyway when they wear out because either the driver wants something cheaper or they want something that performs better. I don’t know how much a retail boycott effects them and honestly, it seems like whenever there is a boycott by one side the other side goes out of their way to purchase their products.

    I was never happier than when the Chic Fil A “Boycott” subsided…the lines were extra long at lunch during that time. I’m not buying their politics…I just wanted a [email protected] chicken sandwich that wasn’t mediocre. Same with tires, which kind of hurts Goodyear.

    I think of the dudes at Chernobyl with respect to Goodyear. “Goodyear Tires? Not Bad. Not Good, but not bad.”

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      ” more often than not they end up getting replaced by another brand ”

      Yeah, that certainly is true for the Goodyears that came on my new vehicles over the decades. I had them as OEM on my wife’s 2012 Grand Cherokee and they had to be replaced ~24K miles ( or about 2 years worth of her driving it.)

      I went to Discount Tire, had four Yokos All-Season put on, and when we gave the Grand Cherokee to our grand daughter in Jun 2015, she drove it daily on those Yokos many more years between Surprise, AZ, and Luke AFB, where she worked.

      I said I was not going to pile on on Goodyear, but there is better to be had out there. Better value, better wear, better ride and handling.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    If workers could exercise the good common sense not to drag their politics into the workplace, companies would be able to avoid this kind of silliness. But they can’t, and their employers are stuck wading in to a no-win deal.

  • avatar
    randyinrocklin

    What’s NASCAR gonna do now????

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      Continue to see their ratings sink for a myriad of reasons that have way more to do with the quality of racing, the lack of at least stock body templates for the cars, races that you aren’t really sure when they’ll end, abandoning their core audience to chase the “trendy” fans (see closing North Wilkesboro), and the stupid “playoff” than Bubba Wallace, Confederate flags, or any other politics.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    The only way to keep politics out of the workplace is to ban any kind of political expression at the workplace regardless of political affiliation. Start with company uniforms which only show the name of the company and maybe the employees name. The Company pays for the uniforms and requires them to be worn when working. Any clothing worn outside the workplace the Company is not responsible for.

  • avatar
    HotPotato

    Yep, you can’t wear a Trump MAGA hat to work.
    You can’t wear a Biden 2020 hat to work either.

    Only one side is having a hysterical meltdown about it.

    I’m ready for an adult as president.

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