By on October 22, 2019

2020 Chevrolet Corvette

There’s a theory – and when I say there’s a theory, I mean that I quickly concocted one night as sleep began its wash over me – that says the Corvette you love most is the Corvette of your licensing year.

For me, that means the revolutionary C5 Corvette must, by law, take its place as my favourite Corvette. That bulbous rear end, those pop-up headlights, and three top options are memorable aspects to the fifth-generation Corvette. So too is the downmarket interior highlighted by miserable seats, surprisingly decent fuel economy, and remarkably strong sales figures of roughly 30,000 units per year in the U.S.

Objectively, of course, the Corvettes C6 and C7 are markedly, distinctly, better cars. They don’t abide by my favoritism rule, but they’re better cars. Thus, just as I always aspired to ownership of a new C5, I shifted that desire to the C6 in 2005 and the C7 in 2014. The Corvette’s consistently reasonable entry price has always made that aspiration relatively attainable.

But everything has changed with the arrival of the 2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray C8. No, it hasn’t become unobtainable, but it’s not clear that it’s an objectively better car. And even if it is, I still wouldn’t want one.

1997 Chevrolet Corvette - Image: GMThese may be the feelings of one Corvette fan and no others. But the mood swing, however individualized, is noteworthy if only for its bipolar nature. What causes someone who’s wanted a Corvette for 23 yearswho’s craved a Corvettewho’s built and priced a thousand Vettes – to completely lose the entire appetite?2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray - Image: GMIt’s not the so-so reviews, although they do little for the Corvette’s case.

“It’s a potentially great car that’s not quite there yet,” Road & Track’s Jason Cammisa wrote. In Car and Driver, Rich Ceppos said, “despite its long list of compelling attributes, it’s still not quite everything we had hoped it would be.” The word “undramatic” crops up in CNET’s review. And back at Road & Track, Travis Okulski doesn’t have much good to say about steering (“either overly light or overly heavy”) while also talking about early understeer and delayed downshifts.

It’s not the lack of a manual transmission, although my last three daily drivers have all been DIY shifters. Performance-oriented automatics and DSGs (such as the C8’s) have come so far over the last decade that the loss of shifting interactivity can be neutralized by tangible, visceral improvements elsewhere.2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray - Image: GMIt’s not the haywire interior. When last did the Corvette source any of its appeal from its cabin?

It’s not the on-paper performance figures that, initially, appear to be scarcely improved from the previous-generation Corvette. GM is nothing if not a company that’s willing to upgrade a Corvette: Z51, Z06, ZR1, and other Z names like Grand Sport are vital components of a Corvette range.

Those issues are not the issue. The problem? The historically unmistakable Corvette silhouette is gone. And now, it’s generic.2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport - Image: GMIt looks like the result of a Mitsubishi brainstorm when the bosses asked for a 360 Modena redux. It’s the McLaren MP4-12C idea Ron Dennis rejected for being too mild. There’s sadly more Noble M600 than Aston Martin Vanquish Vision in the new Corvette’s profile picture.

It’s not the engine placement so much as it is GM’s failure to rekindle Corvetteness whilst relocating the V8. Although designers have fallen into the trap time and time again, a new mid-engined car doesn’t have to be drawn by stencil. Cars such as the Alpine A110 and Audi R8 have shown that the foreordained mid-engined silhouette can be realigned.

With its first mid-engined Corvette, however, Chevrolet didn’t deviate.

It may end up as a great car. I may even enjoy driving one, even with only two pedals to operate. It’ll almost certainly be a force in the marketplace. But the legend’s luster is less luminous now. Having marched so loudly to the beat of its own drum, the Corvette now plays a distressingly popular ear worm.

I am glad the C8 Corvette exists and that it will almost certainly instigate even greater competition in the semi-affordable sports car arena.

But I don’t want it. I won’t want it.

[Images: General Motors]

Timothy Cain is a contributing analyst at The Truth About Cars and Driving.ca and the founder and former editor of GoodCarBadCar.net. Follow on Twitter @timcaincars and Instagram.

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58 Comments on “Mid-Engined Chevrolet Corvette C8 Likely to Be a Hit, but for the First Time Since 1996 I Don’t Want a New Corvette...”


  • avatar

    They need to tone down all those diagonal lines on the hood. There are too many lines going in different directions. The basic shape is fine, but tone down the lines!

    • 0 avatar
      MiataReallyIsTheAnswer

      I think the lighting in that pic is odd- I’ve seen the C8 twice in person, sat in it etc. and it’s not that bad.

    • 0 avatar
      Menar Fromarz

      Meh. Nothing much later than ‘68 or 9 does anything for me. 64-7 still calls me with that siren song, but I easily resist. Loved
      looking at them, sitting in them, restoring and maintaining them but owning or lusting after one, especially past ‘70? No. Too bad, I’ve often admired them in a distant way.

  • avatar
    whynotaztec

    I got my license very late in 82, so good that it was not 83 because then no vette for me. But bad in that I really do not want an 82. So for now I have to think about a c5 or a c6.

    In the past, GM designs that I did not like eventually grew on me. Not happening at all with the trucks right now, and not sure it will happen with the c8. I guess I have to see it in person.

  • avatar
    jack4x

    I’ve always considered the Corvette’s styling to be fairly bland and unremarkable (at least since the C4) so the fact that this car is derivative doesn’t bother me so much. The sheer number you will see on the road will eventually make them boring like every other generation.

    No, the performance for the money is the only real reason to buy one, especially with some of the rumored dyno numbers floating around.

  • avatar
    ajla

    This editorial pretty closely matches my feelings. I don’t hate the C8 or anything, and I get that it puts up killer lap and acceleration times, but it just doesn’t do anything for me. Some of it is the weak styling, some of it is the layout change, some of it is the early drive reviews, some of it is probably just me getting older.

    The first time I saw the C6, I literally jumped up and yelled “that’s the new Corvette!!” like a complete spaz. I took a trip to Kentucky to watch GM build that generation and spent a long time walking through the NCM. Outside of the lard-infused C5 targa I’ve been a fan of nearly every Corvette. Now the new cars I’m most likely to buy are a Mustang or Toyota-bodied BMW.

  • avatar
    MiataReallyIsTheAnswer

    “There’s a theory – and when I say there’s a theory, I mean that I quickly concocted one night as sleep began its wash over me – that says the Corvette you love most is the Corvette of your licensing year.”

    Well that’d be an 87 for me, and while I don’t desire an 87 Vette, I have in fact owned a sweet 95 LT1, so I guess since it’s still a C4, your theory holds water.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    I’ve been saying this since the beginning, that price jump is not as insignificant as everyone has made it, the disadvantages of mid engine, specifically a Barra era mid engine will likely hurt the image of this car within 4-5 years. The C6 and C7 were great cars imo, the best way they could have improved on them and fixed the image was to bring them down market without sacrificing the V8 engine and transmission options. Using less exotic materials to get entry price before discounts to $39,900 at the cost of some performance would have made a bigger difference to performance junkies and corvette fans alike.
    The mid engine design and frumpy styling are going to hinder this car. The true mistake here is chasing the European Marques when American corvette buyers want a Corvette, not an R8.

    • 0 avatar
      87 Morgan

      Not sure how they could detune an ls3 to bring the car down market. I suppose gm could offer a 5.3 option perhaps, but i am doubtful that would get to the 40k price.

      As 28 cars pointed out down thread, plenty of lightly used and some really used options are available for the budget minded.
      I paid 20k for my 34k mile 05 c6 MT 10/17 and still drive it nearly every day, in CO no less. My point being, IMHO, I don’t think GM needs or needed to go after a lower entry price point and sacrifice performance when the second hand market is rife with near perfect examples at or lower than your expected price point without any performance decrease.

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        LS3 is an old engine now, and it’s been sold in cars for less than $40k new. It can be done. The idea is to get younger people in the cars, I think this is a good way.

        Raising the price and lowering the content does not seem like a good way to attract new customers.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    @Tim

    I feel the same.

  • avatar
    MoparRocker74

    I got my license in ‘90, and have ZERO desire for any C4 or newer Corvette. I agree on the C8 wholeheartedly. No matter how many pages of impressive performance data are put out there, the thing just doesn’t stir up any desire. Nothing about it says ‘Corvette’ outside the badging.

    After decades of lusting after every generation of Jeep CJ and Wrangler right up through the TJ, and owning 5 of them, I test drove a fresh ‘07 JK 2-door when they first came out. I was iffy about the styling and that good-for-a-minivan 3.8 V6 is absolutely garbage in a Jeep. But like the C8 there was very little that substantially branded it as a ‘JEEP’. I immediately felt as if the front clip was reworked to resemble a Bronco, Scout, FJ, etc it would have easily fit right in as a new version of any of those. The Gladiator is the first time in 12 years I’ve strongly wanted another Jeep.

    • 0 avatar
      Car Ramrod

      Yep on both counts. I call the JK the “Fat Elvis” Jeep. There’s similarity to the better years, but it’s playing on that nostalgia while being something different and inferior.

  • avatar
    Superdessucke

    I haven’t wanted a Corvette in a long time, least of which that big a– C5. The only good thing about that car was the motor. The new one definitely does 0 to change that.

    To be fair I’m more of a 4-door muscle car guy. I wouldn’t buy a Camaro or Mustang either. Unfortunately I matter to the automakers about as much as a Republican matters in San Francisco. So the only thing I can buy is that ginormous Dodge Charger, or something German and expensive. Bah!

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    Should be a Fiero

  • avatar
    MeJ

    Well, you got one thing right…The C8 WILL be a hit. As someone who’s been in love with Corvettes since my first ride in a 70 Big Block, I’ve always wanted a new one. I’ve owned 2 C3’s and next spring I’m buying a C5 or C6.
    As for the C8, I love it. It’s styling is gorgeous, it’s interior is top shelf (I think the row of HVAC buttons is brilliant, since these are ‘set and forget’ anyway), and the reviews haven’t been bad at all (watch the vid of the smoking tire guy (can’t remember his name offhand,) he is positively giddy driving the C8.
    The ‘row your own’ thing is getting redundant, and it’s a dying tech anyway, so as a car person, we need to get used to it.
    The numbers this car put’s up are way above the last generation as well, not marginally better.
    I should point out that I’m 50 so I’m not some new generation driver the C8 was supposedly targeted to.
    And this is only the entry level car! Imagine the GS, Z06, and ZR1 versions?!
    Incredible.
    My only gripe with the car is the weight. Unfortunately to keep cost down I’m guessing GM can’t use and exotic carbon fiber tub like McLaren does. But other than that, the car is a hit in every aspect.

  • avatar

    C8 looks like a Camaro rear-ended a C7. It looks like a rushed design job. Americans are primarily interested since it constitutes a cheap rear-engined sports car.

  • avatar
    JMII

    I love the styling of C3 but got my license in the C4 era. I was never a Corvette guy until the C7.

    With the C7 they finally fixed the interior to a point where I could stomach being inside one. Sure the lack of round tail lights threw me for a loop but the design they went with goes well with the rest of the car. From an engineering standpoint the C7 is a front engine rear drive masterpiece. The team took everything they learned from decades of racing and production developement and built what I feel is the perfect Corvette. Becoming the last Corvette with a manual transmission seems to confirm this as well.

    The C8 seems like the answer to a question people just keep asking over and over. Its like they made it to finally remove that last ‘Vette complaint that the engine was in the wrong place for it to drive like a true super car. I just wonder how much of that was nothing more then keyboard jockey noise.

    I’m still going to reserve judgement on the C8 until I see one in the flesh. I do agree its too busy especially in the back. Lines and elements going every which direction all at once. I am not a fan… but it does appear to be an evolution of the C7 which went all sharp creases and away from that sleek body lines of the previous ‘Vettes. Once again compared to the curvy, sexy lines of the C3 I think most ‘Vettes pale in comparison including the C2 (there I said it).

    The current buzz kill for me of the C8 is not the DCT which does suck but had to be done, but the lack of storage space. Sure its got tons more then pretty much every other mid-engine super car combined, but it just seems wasteful having the engine take up so much room. This configuration makes the C8 way too big. As is my C7 seems oversized, but the advantage was the hatch gives you more storage then most 4 door sedans. Now with the C8 that advantage is gone, the car is bigger in every dimension except the inside which has gotten smaller. The C7 makes a great Grand Touring car since me and wife can easily travel with 2 suitcases plus 2 carry-ons in the back. If the C8 offers more leg and head room in exchange for the lack of hatch space that would help many (for example) like my brother and father who are both over 6’3″ don’t fit in my C7.

    I guess at some point my C7 will be old and used up, it currently spends its life as a daily driver and track toy. Only then will I have to seriously consider the C8. Maybe after a few years I’ll have grow to like it, but right now I don’t really want one. Granted I’ve only had my C7 for just over a year so its still very much new to me.

    • 0 avatar
      Featherston

      I like your grand tourer comment, JMII. A big part of the appeal of the C4-C7 to me was that they had reasonable storage and–at least in base guise–got reasonable fuel economy. I’m not sure what % of sales was going to the “wipe it with a diaper, then set up a lawn chair and stare at it crowd” and what % was going to people who used it as an actual car, but I like that the latter demographic existed. My recently retired dentist was in the cohort of people who’d cross-shop a Corvette against a Porsche, and his last commuter car was a C7 convertible.

      I also like the front-engine layout (a) for styling, I just prefer the proportion and (b) for sentimental reasons. It pains me to quote Richard Hammond, but I see some appeal in the “America’s 911” aspect: taking the same recipe, only updating it periodically.

  • avatar
    Russycle

    I don’t hate the C8 but it doesn’t do much for me. Of the “modern” ‘vettes, I like the C5’s looks best. Go Full 90s and make mine teal.

  • avatar
    ToddAtlasF1

    I got my license during the C4 years. My favorite Corvette then and now is the C2. I’ve considered getting a C6 Z06 a few times, but there are some compelling reasons not to. The C7’s styling is just starting to grow on me. I really don’t like the C8’s styling in photos, but I’ll wait to see one to pass judgment on the looks. The C5 looked boring in photos and really nice in traffic. I don’t want an automatic sports car, so there is no C8 in my future.

  • avatar
    GoNavy99

    My money in the near future will be on a low-mileage C6 Z06.

  • avatar
    cognoscenti

    The big problem with every Corvette since the C4 onward is that their look does not age well. Not at all. This means that the C7 will eventually start to look dated. I still think the C7 looks fantastic, but just look at how awful the C4, C5, and C6 all look now. Ugh. Each Corvette is so obviously a car for its own era, that they depreciate terribly within a generation or two, maximum. Combine that with Chinesium parts, cost cut in a race to the bottom, and the C8 will have a serious problem until it is well sorted. The later versions will be absolutely fantastic, just in time for the chassis to be replaced. Hence, I can never pull the trigger, even though I love each successive new car in its time. It’s a quandary, because I really, really want to love the ‘Vette.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      I feel a need to address this line of thinking. Here are coupe only examples from C4-C7 ordered by highest mileage:

      C4: MY96 CHEVROLET CORVETTE 2D COUPE

      9/10/19 $3,100 123,415 – – 8G/A Black Regular Midwest St Louis
      8/16/19 $4,500 107,231 3.8 8G/A Off-Whit Regular Southwest Dallas
      9/27/19 $3,300 89,475 – – 8G/- – Black Regular Northeast Pennsylvania
      8/9/19 $6,400 66,974 – – 8G/A Green Regular Northeast Pennsylvania
      9/19/19 $2,800 61,992 – – 8G/A Black Lease Southeast Daytona Beach
      10/2/19 $3,900 53,931 2.2 10D/A Silver Lease Southwest New Mexico

      C5: MY00 CHEVROLET CORVETTE 2D COUPE

      10/2/19 $5,000 200,595 – – 8G/A Black Regular Midwest Minneapolis
      10/21/19 $4,500 170,845 1.9 8G/A Gray Regular Southeast North Carolina
      9/25/19 $4,000 143,014 3.6 8G/6 Yellow Regular West Coast San Francisco Bay
      10/1/19 $5,000 103,843 – – 8G/A Black Regular West Coast Phoenix
      10/16/19 $8,300 69,628 2.7 8G/A Red Lease Southeast Central Florida
      9/26/19 $11,700 59,157 4.1 8G/A Yellow Regular Southeast Palm Beach
      10/9/19 $9,300 58,880 4.1 8G/A Black Regular Northeast Pittsburgh

      C6: MY08 CHEVROLET CORVETTE 2D COUPE

      10/10/19 $8,600 177,530 2.7 8G/A Gray Regular Southeast Atlanta
      10/9/19 $12,000 117,997 – – 8G/A White Regular Southeast Lakeland
      10/17/19 $11,000 117,401 3.6 8G/A Orange Regular West Coast California
      10/1/19 $9,900 108,113 2.0 8G/A Yellow Lease Southeast Nashville
      10/3/19 $10,000* 96,453 3.4 8G/A Blue Regular Southeast Atlanta
      10/10/19 $13,000 83,028 2.8 8G/A Black Regular Southeast Tampa
      10/9/19 $15,200 68,275 – – 8G/- – Silver Regular Northeast Pennsylvania
      9/23/19 $16,600 66,607 – – 8CY/A Red Regular Southwest Dallas
      9/23/19 $19,300 65,772 – – NON/- – – – Regular Southeast Nashville
      10/8/19 $19,800 59,023 4.6 8G/A Silver Regular Southeast Atlanta
      10/1/19 $21,600 44,835 4.6 8G/A Red Regular Southeast Statesville
      10/9/19 $21,250 36,624 4.5 8G/A Red Regular West Coast California
      10/15/19 $22,900 28,539 4.3 8G/A Red Regular Southeast Georgia
      10/14/19 $18,000 26,685 2.8 8G/A Black Regular Southwest Texas Hobby
      10/2/19 $22,500 20,878 4.5 8G/A Black Regular West Coast California
      9/26/19 $22,500 16,103 4.1 8G/A White Regular Southwest Texas Hobby

      C7: MY15 CHEVROLET CORVETTE 2D COUPE 1LT

      9/25/19 $29,200 87,129 4.3 8G/A White Lease Southwest Dallas
      10/9/19 $31,000* 41,232 – – 8G/A Gray Regular Southwest New Mexico
      10/8/19 $34,500 39,940 4.5 8G/A Red Regular Southeast Georgia
      9/25/19 $37,800 17,839 4.6 8G/A Gray Regular Southeast Nashville
      10/2/19 $38,650 9,260 4.6 8G/7 White Regular Southwest Dallas
      9/23/19 $38,100 9,257 4.6 8G/7 White Regular Southwest Texas Hobby
      9/24/19 $39,400 7,402 4.7 8G/A White Regular Northeast NY Metro Skyline
      9/30/19 $38,500 6,710 – – 8CY/A Red Regular Northeast Pennsylvania

      The C4 at this point is four generations behind and someone still coughed up 3,1 plus fee for an example with 123K miles that’s 23 years old this despite other examples doing the same with half the miles and presumably similar if not better condition. So the t-top coupe C4, whose body style debuted in 1984, can still pull at least 3K seems like in any condition. Has this depreciated? You bet but evidently there are still buyers willing to pay 5ish retail because I know not every one of those was bought for personal use or a dealer’s personal collection.

      The C5 fares much better, someone paid 5K for an example with 200K. This example is nearly 20 years old and has 200K, someone paid 5 plus fee! Average example did 8,3, a clean example did 11,7 in Palm Beach. The MSRP in 2000 was $38,555, and someone paid nearly 12 plus fee, wholesale. What’s the retail on that? $14,995? $17,995? Are these things suddenly collectible? Not sure, but that’s pretty good for a domestic sports car of that age.

      The C6 pulls between 15 and 23 as you can see in clean condition, even well used one did 8,6. The MSRP in MY08 was 44,250, so we’re talking up to nearly 50% of MSRP on an MY08 base coupe?

      Here are MY08 Ferrari 430 coupes, msrp $186,925:

      7/9/19 $55,250* 84,242 – – 8G/M Red Regular Southeast Birmingham
      7/19/19 $92,000* 13,350 – – 8CY/A Black Regular Midwest St Louis

      Clean/very clean almost 50%, more used about 25%. A similar C6/100K above did 10 which is a little under 25%. Think about that, the C6 has similar resale valuation percentages to a Ferrari and the C6 won’t bankrupt you.

      Finally of course the C7, still pulls high 30s extra clean/clean. So does each generation depreciate more than the last? Yes, because they age, but until the C4 they hold a decent equilibrium at around 20-25% of their original MSRPs. I personally expect probably with the C5 for them to start appreciating in value, esp depending on how C8 does and what happens with C9. There is a lot worse you can buy in the segment.

      • 0 avatar
        pragmatic

        Using the license rule I should like the 1978 best but I like the C7 (other than the 7 speed manual) but they are still too expensive. I just purchased (labor day) my first GM product a 2007 one owner totally stock (even the skip-shift is still there) Blue C6 6MT heated seats and HUD with just under 150K miles for just under $14K. Yes the interior could be better but when my high beams were always on while driving and I needed to replace the turn signal stalk (with cruise control switch) the OEM part could be had for under $50. I’ll take a slightly downgrade interior for low cost replacement parts especially in an older vehicle. I think I got a bargian but show me another car that after 15 years and 150K mile still retails for ~1/3 of its new price.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      I don’t feel the C6 looks terrible at all. I also like the later LT1 C4s. The C5 is the one that didn’t age very well, although it’s a monster value.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        I also like the C6 and was seriously considering a later C4 several years ago. I like the C5’s looks though and I was told something about the 99 and 00 C5 makes it a sleeper vs the later ones, something about the LS tuning maybe? I also read somewhere there are certain parts on the C5 which are no longer made and were not being fabricated, I want to say the brake servo motor? Something expensive that likes to wear out. If I was in the market it would probably be C6 for me, or maybe C7 down the line.

        • 0 avatar
          JMII

          My only worry about long term C7 ownership is the number of computers and fancy electronics. There are several modules that require programing as they are VIN encoded. Thus you can’t just pull one out of a junked/wrecked car and have it work.

          The good news is most ‘Vettes are garage queens so finding a lighted used car is easy. My ’14 Z51 3LT M7 had only 18K when I found it last year, for 43% off MSRP. Modern ‘Vettes aren’t going up in price like the C1 & C2 collector cars, but overall they seem to hold their value long term. It seems (like all sports cars) they drop quickly but then level off. Compared to other cars which just keep dropping until they aren’t worth the gas in their tanks.

          • 0 avatar
            golden2husky

            Your concerns are valid. C5 ABS modules are not available from GM and the aftermarket does not make them as the volumes are inadequate to support producing them even after GM announced that they would make the design documents available. So its used ones until the supply evaporates. They go for upwards of $1,000 used. Some get repaired but any modules that have the electronics “potted” can’t be replaced.

            This is the fate of most modern cars I afraid.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @JMII

            I’m not sure which ones but one of those generations will become very collectible as time goes on.

            @goldenhusky

            Thanks, that sounds about right now.

    • 0 avatar
      MiataReallyIsTheAnswer

      “just look at how awful the C4, C5, and C6 all look now”

      I looked, and they don’t. They don’t look awful. So it turns out the old saying really is true- opinions are like—-

      • 0 avatar
        Featherston

        +1, MRITA. The C4, C5, and C6 are all pretty clean designs and, as such, have aged well (at least in terms of the exteriors). They don’t wow me in the way that a BMW 507 or ’63-’65 Riv does, but they’re some flavor of nice.

        The ’74-’82 C2’s are the only ones that really miss the mark for me, and I wouldn’t categorize myself as a dyed-in-the-wool Corvette lover.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    My ideal Corvette would be a ’67 convertible, red with black stinger. Big block hood, side pipes; tastefully resto-modded with a late model fuel injected Corvette engine making about 500 HP, with a six speed manual.

  • avatar
    65corvair

    The real issues would have cost nothing to fix, A nicely designed interior. Styling by someone other than the Aztec team. I do think it needs a manual. A ’65 Corvette into todays dollars is about $34,000. It stared at about $4100.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      “A ’65 Corvette into todays dollars is about $34,000. It stared at about $4100.”

      Interesting, and an MY65 Chevy Bel Air retailed for $2,572 before options or 20,964.58 USD per https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

      Interestingly today’s “Bel Air”, the Camcord, can be acquired for similar money while today’s Corvette is nearly double.

      https://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/1965/Chevrolet/Bel-Air/4-Door-Sedan/Values

      Oh and cumulative rate of inflation 1965 to now: 715.1%

  • avatar
    FormerFF

    I’ve never been a Corvette person. My license year was in the C3 era, at the time when they were more boulevardiers than sports cars. I’d been turned off by Corvettes for years. Their recent racing history has definitely improved their image in my eyes, but I still didn’t want one. Chevrolet brought a couple of the new cars to the Petit LeMans, and now I’m very impressed.

  • avatar
    NG5

    There’s something special to me about the C5. The only other generation that moves me is the C3 at some points, and only then due to style. The mid-engined one is probably fun, but it is too big for my taste.

  • avatar
    IBx1

    The C8 is pathetic automatic scum and so the Corvette no longer exists.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    Wow, I don’t get the hate on this car. It’s a GM product, so no one expects much in terms of build quality and it might kill you and GM will never admit fault, but other than that, it looks badass.

    For the money, what’s better in it’s class?

  • avatar
    stevelovescars

    I saw the C8 in person this summer at a concours event near Detroit and thought it looked fantastic in person… and more compact and lithe than I expected. Do I want one? Well, I know I want to drive one. But I’m a bottom-feeder in the collector car world, I like to buy cars used.

    I got my license in the C4 era and later bought a used low-mileage 1994 LT1 6-speed coupe. I wanted to love it but this generation just wasn’t a good “car.” Noisy, hard to get in and out of, etc. I sold it after just a few months. From a performance for the buck standpoint, though, a C4 is a bargain if you want something fast or to use for track days. I still think they look good but the interiors are pretty terrible.

    The C7, particularly in Grand Sport guise, looks fantastic to my eyes and the performance of the base model far exceeds anything I could really use on the street. I’m partial to manual transmissions, so I think a C7 7-speed manual will be a cool used car for me some day.

    I do currently own an orange original low-mile 1977 C3. It’s more of an archaic throw back, with a 4-speed manual, crank windows, and I drive it around on nice days looking out over that huge hood and fenders and grin. While the performance isn’t great by modern Corvette (or even Corolla) standards, it accelerates, handles, and brakes better than any other 1970s car I’ve ever driven and is more than capable of performing on modern roads. I think the lack of performance on C3s is more hyperbole than reality. Heck, 1970s Porsche 911s aren’t very fast, either, but their values are crazy high. Yeah it’s a cruiser but the styling is still outrageous and C3s are bargain classic cars at the moment.

  • avatar
    pmirp1

    Looks are subjective. I loved the C4, and contrary to you I hated the C5 looks. I hated C6 even more. C5 rear end was disproportionately big. Big Butt. That didn’t improve with C6. It was ugly upon ugly as they messed up the front by getting rid of hidden lights. All bad errors went away with C7 and I knew I wanted one, so I bought in cash.

    As for C8, I don’t find it as beautiful as C7 or C4 (love at first sight), but much better than C5 and C6. I wait until I see one in person. That will be the final moment of judgement. Until then It looks good.

    Still, a part of me wished Chevy continued building front engine next to mid engine Corvettes.

  • avatar
    Boxerman

    I get the point about the lost silouhette. Corvette lost some of its USP like porche dropping the 911. I still cant understand why they did’nt keep a front engined car, and then also build a really great mid engined car. The c8 is being asked to carry two sets og golf clubs and have low sills, retain all the ease of use of a front engined car. A camel is a horse designed by a comiteee.

    Putting looks aside, what I expected was a great driving car. Now we read about debatable steering and questionable brake modulation. If mazda can get these things perfect on a miata why are they not superlative on the vette.

    Gm is alive and well. I feel sorry for the vette engineers who were tasked for making a me car all things to all people. Yes the engine is in the middle but just moving the engine location does not bestow greatness. Not to mention its lardy, and the high power versions are unlikely to be lighter.

    Maybe though we’ll get lucky and theyll build a “light” z06 with that 600hp flat plane carnk na motor. Then all they have to do is sort the steerign abd brakes.

    I dont think porche et al are losing sleep over the c8. My guess is a lot of people who were thinking vette are now thinking supra. The used mid engined ferrari market is safe too.

    The C8 is reportedly a great chevilliac, powerful quiet with great ride. I guess its for that aging demographic again.

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    My Corvette was a C3. Not big on the styling of the ‘fastback’ version that was introduced in 1978. Or the 1973 rubber front and chrome rear bumper model.

    Of course the 1973 model year and later C3’s were ‘dogs’ in regards to performance when compared to later models, and even some previous ones.

    And the interiors were terrible. Cramped. Creaky plastic. Crap vinyl seats. Rear window defog button located just over the driver’s right ankle. Battery behind the driver’s seat making it virtually impossible to boost on a MT (yes, I know, had to do it). And the vents brought only hot/warm air into the cabin due to their location.

    Yet at the time it was still regarded as a more than acceptable performance car, in comparison to other cars of that era. And it was considered as a very ‘cool’ car.

    And if I had kept it, and it was in running condition, I could more than likely sell it now for about what I paid for it new.

    However, my preference would be for a 1963 split window coupe. But then that seems to be the preferred Corvette for most collectors.

    Now Corvettes are stereotypical ‘middle age crisis’ cars. Driven predominantly by older white men wearing hats to protect their bald spots. Incredibly ‘uncool’.

    Personally if I had the funds I would still buy a front engine, rear drive version.

  • avatar
    Ol Shel

    I’m not buying a Corvette without the option of being able to do a burnout and wag the tail on demand. The C8 isn’t going to do that, at least not readily.

    For me, the C6 would do all of that, at reasonable cost. Oh, and it’s not a slushbox.

  • avatar
    SPPPP

    My favorite Corvettes are the C2, the C6 Z06, and the C4 ZR1. None of which fits the licensure theory, as I got my license in an odd generation. I find the C1, C3, and C5 a little uninteresting. The C7 seems a bit tacky in styling.

    It’s neat that GM makes a mid-engined car, but it doesn’t really excite me too much. I haven’t seen it in person yet. The interior looks tight from pictures. The center console is absurdly large, and that row of buttons is silly. A Porsche or Ferrari interior feels much more open and airy. Yet the C8 still looks a little too large and heavy.

    I don’t know; I am sure it’s ok as sports cars go, but what’s the point of the exercise? The front-engined Corvette had plenty of fans already. Why spend all this money developing a new platform with new problems? I think GM will eventually regret going down this path.

  • avatar

    That would make my ideal vette the 1978 ? Hell no, even then we knew it was a shadow of its true self, the car of the white belt and shoes set. The 911, that was what was sexy…..

  • avatar
    KevinB

    If your theory holds, my Corvette would be a ’75.

    No thanks.

  • avatar
    imnormlurnot

    If it was brown, had a diesel engine, and a 6 speed manual, then all of TTAC would love it.
    I like the looks, I think I would love the performance. However, it’s the first year of a new GM product. Beta testing for GM can be expensive. I’ll pass for at least the first two years.

  • avatar
    Flipper35

    I was 16 in 1986 but I like the C5 and C6 generations the best. The C7 was looking too angular like it was trying to be a front engined Aventador. For the new one it isn’t ugly, nor does it have any character. The Alpine still looks like the old one and has character. On that note, I don’t like the looks of the new Ford FT either. The 2005 looked good as did the originals.

    I couldn’t stand to be in the cockpit of the C8 based on pictures. Does Disney own GM stock? Maybe they look better in person.

    Off to go look at used Vipers.

  • avatar
    Michael S6

    When I first saw the C7 I thought that it is a stunning car and still think so. The interior was also much improved although not fully baked.
    The C8 exterior is disappointing and the front and back of the car seem disjointed and the best view is from the side as it hides the mess. The back end is excessively wide and appears to be designed by a different committee than the one designing the front. Maybe the appearance will grow on me with time but I am in no hurry to put a deposit on it.

  • avatar
    nrd515

    I admit, I have never really wanted a Corvette. Back when I got my license in 1973, I didn’t like them much at all. I did try to get the money together to buy a once in a lifetime deal ’69 427 Convertible for $3600 1n 1979, but I couldn’t get the money together to grab it up. Some high school kid got it instead. I did the smog test on it, and hoped the engine was messed up, but it ran as good as it looked, pretty much showroom new, except it needed a new top. I didn’t like the C4 or C5 much, but a friend had a C6 until a couple of years ago, and I liked it. Not enough to ever buy one, but I liked it. The C7 was tolerable, but I really dislike the C8’s styling, as I hate almost everything GM makes lately.

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    New theory/hypothesis/question: How much was the styling of the C8 Corvette influenced by the Ford GT (as in the modern iterations of the GT40)?

    [Been watching some Ford GT/GT40 stuff lately and this just occurred to me]


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