By on October 29, 2019

2019 Toyota Camry SE white - Image: Toyota

Remember the midsize sedan death watch?

When TTAC introduced the series, Americans were still acquiring over 2 million midsize cars per year. That fact, the 2M+ aspect of the segment and the 1M+ nature of the top models, combined with the category’s 12-percent market share, caused many readers to doubt the possibility that any other intermediate sedans would ever bid farewell.

Others have, of course, fallen by the wayside. Joining the long-lost Mercury Milan, Pontiac G6, Saturn Aura, Suzuki Kizashi, Mitsubishi Galant, and Dodge Avenger in that great midsize parking lot in the sky are cars such as the Chrysler 200 and Ford Fusion. The Chevrolet Malibu is not long for this world.

Meanwhile, sales of the remaining midsize cars continue to tank. The notion that America’s midsize segment is a reliable provider of more than 2 million units per year is now cast by the wayside. Americans are likely to purchase and lease fewer than 1.4 million midsize cars in 2019. That’s 15-percent fewer midsize cars than Americans drove home in 2009 during the depths of the Great Recession.

2019 Honda Accord Touring white - Image: Honda

Leading up to that economic collapse, 16 percent of the U.S. automotive market’s volume was produced by midsize cars. That figure now stands at 8 percent.

In the last year alone, the midsize segment’s market share has fallen by more than half a percentage point. In a market that’s down less than 2 percent year-over-year, midsize volume is down nearly 7 percent through the first three-quarters of 2019.

It’s a drop caused by every member of the segment save for the departing Ford Fusion, where a dead cat bounce is causing an artificial spike at the end of the Fusion’s lifecycle.

Double-digit year-over-year percentage losses have been reported this year by vehicles such as the Hyundai Sonata and Subaru Legacy (down 16 percent), Mazda 6 (down 30 percent), and Volkswagen Passat (down 61 percent).

The class-leading trio (Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima) are among the most recently redesigned. But while their market share in the segment is rising – from 56 percent in 2018 to 59 percent in 2019 — their sales are also in decline. The Camry, Accord, and Altima combined to lose 22,000 sales over the last nine months.

usa midsize car market share 2008-2019 - Image: © TTAC

In the face of blustery headwinds, numerous midsize carmakers are forging ahead with distinct strategies. Volkswagen’s Americanized Passat has suffered consecutive annual sales declines ever since its arrival in 2012. Volkswagen’s path forward is a lightly refreshed example of an aging car.

At Subaru, where Legacy sales have never been strong, a brand new model is launching now despite the fact that other automakers have fled the scene while producing more sales in a quarter than the Legacy can in a year.

And at Hyundai, the Sonata is reverting to a bold styling strategy. It worked for the sixth-gen Sonata in 2011, but the seventh-gen Sonata in 2015 was an overly cautious and forgettable attempt. Sonata sales tumbled 55 percent between 2012 and 2018, so Hyundai went back to the drawing board. Is it too late for the Sonata to recover?

For the Passat, 2019 is on track to be the worst year since 2012. Legacy sales are projected to fall to a new low (since before Outback/Legacy sales were isolated.) The Sonata’s drop will cause sales to fall below 100,000 units for the first time since 2003; it’ll be the first 5-digit Kia Optima sales year since 2011. Chevrolet Malibu sales are tracking toward a 16-year low. If Mazda’s 30-percent Mazda6 decline continues in Q4, 2019 will be the nameplate’s worst year ever.

And what about that top-tier trio? Revamped for 2020 with new powertrains and available all-wheel drive, the Nissan Altima is on pace for an 18-year U.S. sales low. If not for a disastrous, tsunami-inflicted 2011, the Honda Accord’s 276,000-unit 2019 tack would point the highly regarded Honda in the direction of early 80s output. In 13 of the last 20 years, Toyota has reported more than 400,000 U.S. Camry sales — Toyota is on pace for fewer than 340,000 in 2019. In the last two decades, only 2010 and 2011 stand out as lower-output years.

It’s disappointing individual results that explain how a segment could see its market share fall by half in a decade. The good news for lovers of the midsize category? The rate at which the segment is shedding market share has slowed noticeably. In 2015, the segment lost a full percentage point of share, and within two years another 2.4 points were gone. Between 2017 and 2018, midsize market share collapsed from 10.3 percent to 8.6 percent, a 17-percent decrease. 2019’s slide from is modest by comparison.

Yet, and this will come as no surprise, we still expect to see America’s midsize car category slip below 8 percent in 2020.

Timothy Cain is a contributing analyst at The Truth About Cars and Driving.ca and the founder and former editor of GoodCarBadCar.net. Follow on Twitter @timcaincars and Instagram.

 

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62 Comments on “Americans Might Not Even Buy 1.4 Million Midsize Cars This Year; Market Share Down By Half Since Recession...”


  • avatar
    jack4x

    On the one hand, it’s hard to blame consumers for not buying today’s crop of uninspired, oddly styled, turbo 4 powered sedans.

    On the other hand, I look at what they buy instead and it confuses me even more.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      There are exceptions but the fake utility vehicles are built on the same platforms and run with the same drive trains, the more interesting questions here are:

      How are overall non-commercial sales YTD and/or YoY?

      and

      How are sales of say five models vs their identical CUV sisters?

      Seems this information is relevant to the use case, other than the “cars suck [as Nelson] ha ha!” meme so prevalent of late.

      • 0 avatar
        chuckrs

        Maybe “Longer, Lower, Wider” has run its course. Not only would it be interesting to look at paired sales of sedans and their CUV analogs, it would be equally interesting to compare the dimensions, ergonomics and physical envelope of CUVs to cars of the late 40’s and 50’s.

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          I get to drive a 1950 Ford sedan fairly regularly and it’s much closer in feel to a modern Corolla than to a modern RAV4. The huge hood and Futuramic design means a late 40s Olds or Cadillac feels nothing like a CUV.

          Now a 1920s Ford or Olds might be a different story, practically everything was an “off-roader” back then.

        • 0 avatar
          Lorenzo

          Maybe the “sporty, 4-door coupe” design has run its course. They may be on the same platform, but SUV/CUV/crossover models have higher seating positions and somewhat better outward visibility. There’s a reason the boxy Equinox sells so well.

          Unfortunately, auto makers are doing to compact and subcompact CUVs what they did to sedans: sloping the roof rear and restricting side-rear visibility. The reason is aerodynamics and fuel economy, but that’s what’s killing both full sized and midsized sedans, and forcing people into crossovers and 4-door pickups.

      • 0 avatar
        Scoutdude

        Well the best selling non-pickup YTD is the RAV-4, the best selling Nissan is the Rogue and the best selling Honda is the CR-V. Over at the brands that lead the sales charts with pickups their best selling vehicles are the Equinox, Escape and Grand Cherokee. OK the GC isn’t based on what was once considered a “car” platform.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          The JGC is well-loved. My grand daughter and her husband are not even remotely considering replacing the two used 2012 JGCs they got as their wedding presents from our family.

          And both JGCs are getting to be high-mileage after eight years of daily driving duties on I-10 in AZ.

  • avatar
    indi500fan

    My wife is a perfect example of this.
    When our Equinox lease expires, she wants another CUV/SUV, no sedans, based on ease of entry/exit, higher visibility seating position, and perceived carrying capacity (trunk vs hatch lid).

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      That is exactly the opinion of decision maker(s) in my household.

      Higher ride height makes it easier to get into/out of. No more having spray/snow thrown on the windshield from trucks/bro-dozers. ‘Somewhat’ larger greenhouse making for better visibility. Better lines of vision, particularly when making turns. A hatch provides more vertical space than a trunk. And a hatch can carry a dog, which you can’t do with a trunk. When you open a modern trunk in the winter, inevitably snow will fall into it. And if there is more ground clearance on the CUV, then that is an added benefit.

      Just as the minivan was a more practical/functional vehicle than the station wagon, the CUV is now a more practical/functional vehicle than a sedan.

      And with the electronic safety nannies, the higher centre of gravity is no longer a safety issue/concern.

  • avatar
    ajla

    Sedans are finished. The Camcord, Civolla, and one other bit player will stick around to serve a dedicated group (like with minivans today) but that’s it.

    Premium and luxury sedans should have a better survival rate from Asian demand and better baked-in profitability, but even there we’ll see some models culled.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      There was a guy interviewed recently on Bloomberg who is the CEO of a big international car retailer, and he said, “Sedans aren’t quite dead yet. But their market share is shrinking.”

      We switched away from sedans in 2008 to CUVs and SUVs. Maybe we were ahead of our time, or maybe we were just tired of seeing the @ss end of much taller vehicles in front of us.

      Even a minivan is taller than a sedan.

      Goes to show, the transportation medium is transforming, morphing into taller vehicles.

      • 0 avatar
        56BelAire

        @HDC…I live “out-west” like you do. I’m in Utah. I agree, being surrounded by big, long, tall vehicles on the road and in parking lots is a PIA, and can be dangerous but by the same token tall vehicles vans, SUVs, CUVs almost always roll when going off the road in accidents. Most roadbeds and pavement are raised in the west(like a railroad) and going out of control off the road in IMO opinion is more dangerous in tall vehicles than in sedans……especially for the multitudes who don’t wear seatbelts.

        I still love my sedans. I’ve owned Buicks, Caddies, Chevies, Fords, Mercuries and Chrysler 300 over the last 20+ years. My wife has an RX350, great vehicle.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          56BelAire, you’re absolutely right. Tall, bulky vehicles like pickup trucks, SUVs and CUVs are always in danger of rolling over with their high center of gravity. Even a strong gust of wind can cause a roll-over, especially on I-80, at high speed.

          When we switched my wife’s daily driver from her 1992 Towncar to a 2008 Highlander in July 2008, she had to learn to drive that taller vehicle all over again.

          But over time, and after a few scares, she learned.

          I remember one time when she took a cloverleaf exit ramp too fast and both driver-side wheels lifted off the road, came back down with an @sshole-puckering thud, and she looked at me wide-eyed and said, “WTF was THAT!?

          In my case, I have a CDL, so I learned about those dangers at SWIFT in Phoenix, decades ago.

  • avatar
    Roberto Esponja

    Well, there IS a reason people are leaving sedans for CUV’s, SUV’s and P/U’s.

    I work at a company with a large motor pool, where I regularly get to ride in or drive cars of various brands. I have really gotten to hate getting into/out of non-SUV/CUV vehicles. It seems to me like most sedans are now gunslit-windowed, low seating vehicles. I hate the lessened visibility and the feeling that I’m sitting in a bath tub. You don’t get that on most SUV’s/CUV’s, and I think that’s one of the main factors that have made most people veer towards them.

    I really don’t see the sales downslide of sedans reversing itself unless manufacturers address this.

    • 0 avatar
      ToolGuy

      Roberto Esponja,

      Completely agree. Faced with defections to crossovers, the manufacturers made the sedans even less usable (“cockpit” feel/etc.).

      [Could be intentional, is likely not unwelcome to the extent that people move to generally higher-profit vehicles.]

    • 0 avatar
      SSJeep

      I drove a Volkswagen CC recently and the entry/egress were completely miserable. The Camry rental was marginally better, but not good. I can completely understand why most American buyers would opt for a CUV – they are just easier to live with.

  • avatar
    JimZ

    I’m not sure making the Sonata look like a depressed catfish is going to save it. And how long before they cancel the Genesis experiment? Are they going to wait around until Khan steals it?

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    Timothy, excellent write-up, thank you.

  • avatar
    FormerFF

    I’ve been driving a Fusion for the last five years, and it’s been great. I probably won’t buy another mid sizer because I don’t need as much space any more, my children will have moved out of the house by the time I need to replace it.

    They’re still a good choice for a lot of people, many of whom are currently driving a compact crossover.

  • avatar
    Thomas Kreutzer

    I feel like my family of five is fairly typical these days and our stable includes one “family vehicle” (the T&C), one “commuter/economy car” (A versa-Note), and a 25+ year-old truck which, to be honest, is there more to scratch my itch for a toy than anything else. Were I not a “car guy” we’d probably only have two vehicles.

    There are specific reasons we have what we have. We bought the van when all three kids were in car seats and while the sliding doors are great, the main advantage to it, I think, is the load height. A large sedan may have been wide enough to get all three seats in the back, but trying to sling a 20-pound squirming kid around while you are hunched over is surprisingly difficult. Modern CUVs/SUVs/Vans & trucks don’t force you to do that and that, I think, is one of the reason they are selling.

    The kids are, of course, now out of their seats but there is still so much of life left in the van. I see no reason to replace it and, at the rate I’m using it, I will probably own it until I die. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that sedan sales are falling off – people buy the vehicles they need at the time and then stick with them until the end of those vehicles’ useful lives.

    We bought the Versa-Note because my wife wanted a small city car. In that role the Note seems to work well for her and size was the most important factor in that decision. Had my wife not been so adamant about getting a small car my guess is that, like a lot of women, she would have ended up in a Rogue or some other CUV because of the seating position it offers.

    I could see one other combo working for us. Had I wanted to get rid of the van and not bought an older truck for fun, the most likely combo at our house would be a 4 door Silverado and the Note. The Silverado is a good combination of the truck I want for the occasional “house stuff” and a large enough rig to haul all five of us across the country if need be. It is basically a modern sedan with the added benefit of being able to go to Home Depot to rent rototillers, etc.

  • avatar
    R Henry

    I own a current generation Mazda6. I like it, but also recognize and understand why it’s not doing well–both in the macro terms of a midsized sedans, and in the specifics of its own attributes.

    Demerits:

    Poor entry/egress from front seats. Requires and awkward neck bend and torso twist to enter–or else you will pound the side of your head on the roof. To get out, I find I must spin 90 degrees, and get out with both feet already on the ground.

    Visibility: High beltline (to achieve good crash protection I assume) necessitates a smaller greenhouse, and its attendant reduced sight lines. I have found parking requires genuine concentration to achieve straight, centered placement in ordinary parking spots. Comfort with using side mirrors is essential. If I hadn’t spent so many hours driving big rigs over the years, I would not have developed the necessary comfort using side mirrors as heavily as this car requires for reversing and parking.

    Advantages:

    For those who enjoy precise handling, my Mazda6 is quite impressive. I can carve the local SoCal canyon roads with nary any tire squeal or fear. My car feels glued to the road compared to other sedans, and especially compared to higher profile CUVs. There really is no comparison here.

    Fuel economy: I average 33mpg in daily commute mixed driving, 37 on long highway cruises.–this in a roomy car with a good sized trunk.

    Manual Transmission option: My car has the 6-speed manual, which I truly adore, and is best, in my opinion, for maximizing the modest power/torque provided by Mazda’s very smooth, efficient 2.5L SkyActive engine.

  • avatar
    87 Morgan

    Not sure why this is so hard to understand. The CUV is just easier to use than a traditional sedan.

    Zero downside with the CUV; same mpg, better resale, better visibility, carrying capacity virtually equal hatchback makes for easier hauling capabilities.

    The coming crop of plug in versions will sell like crazy. Had GM had the foresight to make the volt a CUV instead of a sedan focused solely on aerodynamics, it would be selling like crazy. I believe the buying public is more than willing to give up the last 5 E-miles for a vehicle that is practical for something other than just solo commuting, but still retains the benefits of 40 miles electric so and so forth.

    • 0 avatar
      ajla

      “The coming crop of plug in versions will sell like crazy”

      Care to quantify your expectation? “Sell like crazy” as in will outsell the Model 3? “Sell like crazy” as in 25% of overall model volume?

      • 0 avatar
        87 Morgan

        As the technology permeates to models that are of use, coupled with the fact that we have 10 years or better of Toyota and 8 or so of GM Volt technology with few issues, it is my belief that these types of vehicle sales will increase from their current abysmal sales figures.

        Toyota has done the best job of incorporating their tech into models that sell; highlander & Lexus RX as an example. GM and others have done a poor job of packaging the content into a vehicle that people want.
        So, like crazy….I figure we are going to scratch 20% + in the next few years.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          Highlander is a great example of how different metros present totally different car markets.

          Here in Seattle, somewhere between a third and half of the Highlanders I see are hybrids (including mine).

          If I go to Houston to visit my wife’s family, I might see 50 Highlanders and not a single one would be a hybrid.

          Overall, they were something like 5% of sales across the US during most years of the third-gen car.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            Of course the big picture there is that in Houston the best gas price according to Gas Buddy is 1.89 at a Costco while in Seattle the best price is again at a Costco and it is 3.19. So yeah the return on investment is much greater in the PNW than it is in TX.

            Of course there are a host of other differences too, that also influence the different car buying habits.

          • 0 avatar
            Dave M.

            I’m in Houston, and yes our gas prices are certainly lower than many, many places across the US. That said, I still want a hybrid CUV for my next vehicle….I admire the technology and opportunity to save resources. I’d even consider a plug-in as long as an ICE was available for backup.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Apparently GM is working on a CUV version of the Bolt. And I think Morgan’s right – it’ll sell better, though “like crazy” might be a bit too optimistic.

    • 0 avatar
      Russycle

      “same mpg”? Sorry, you cannae change the laws of physics captain, and a tall CUV needs more power to push more air at highway speeds.
      Rav4: 35 mpg
      Camry: 41 mpg
      Same motor.

      Admittedly, not a huge difference, but it’s not nothing. I agree re the Bolt, typical GM beancounter mentatlity, maximizing the numbers while ignoring what people want.

  • avatar
    ToddAtlasF1

    My family came to visit me about four years ago and rented a then-new Sonata. It had enough rear-seat leg room for a long-wheelbase premium luxury car combined with enough rear-seat head room for a ’70s compact 2+2 coupe. A smart man said this is the result of foot-print CAFE, that cars were being silly-puttied into useless shapes to minimize their fuel economy target while compromising their utility. Stupid people said this is what people who buy cars want, that they personally never carry rear-seat passengers and wouldn’t care if any they carried were comfortable. And then fewer and fewer people bought big but useless sedans while more and more people bought practical CUVs. The world makes sense if you’re not an idiot. Today the idiots who defended badly-designed CAFE-compliant sedans are defending unwanted CAFE-compliant drivetrains. If Millenials want what China wants, why do Ecoboost Mustangs need the biggest incentives to move? Fascist puppets are no smarter now than they were in 1938.

  • avatar
    JMII

    Ease of entry / exit moved my parents from a sedan (Sonata in fact) into a Ford Escape. Granted they are getting up there in age as my mother already had one crunch on her hip. For younger people I believe the appeal comes from the sense of safety you get sitting higher up. I fully expect that if you tracked sales of full size trucks you would find the sales of CUV/SUVs follows along with it. As these higher-then-necessary trucks took over main street driving in a normal car suddenly seemed like sitting on a skate board in traffic. Ride in a CUV/SUV and you feel level with the rest of the vehicles around you. The perception of safety is strong here and I believe subconsciously it is getting people out of sedans quickly.

    Plus can’t discount the go-anywhere marketing that has come with the CUV push. For some reasons people feel that a little rain or snow means you gotta have an off roader like vehicle. Those few extra inches of ground clearance plus the plastic wheel arches makes people feel they can overcome the elements. Streets riddled with potholes, uneven road surfaces (construction that never ends) steep parking garage inclines and other daily encounters making driving a plain sedan seem risky.

    Now that the cost (MPG) penalty of having a larger vehicle has pretty much been eliminated the advantage of sedans is gone. All you get with a sedan is better handling which maybe 5% of the driving population cares about.

    • 0 avatar
      87 Morgan

      My 78 YO mom drives a Jeep Patriot.
      Loves it. Of course, by drive, I mean a out 1500 miles a year. But for her, this is a perfect vehicle.
      We can argue another day everything that is wrong about the car, hers has been flawless and she could care less about any of the issues we here in TTAC land can come up with as to how bad these cars are.

      Easy in, easy out w/ a power lift gate and it is small. The perfect car for someone who is aged.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    I agree with all the comments above that this is mostly about ride height. Nobody wants a low car anymore. There’s also an element of feeling that sedans are for old people. My wife likes CUVs best, but will consider a vehicle in almost any segment except sedans, which she rejects out of hand.

    Whenever I drive my 1995 Legend in today’s traffic, I feel like I’m sitting on the pavement. It was considered a totally normal car at the time.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      How old is the suspension?

    • 0 avatar
      Scoutdude

      Funny thing my wife used to be all about the Sedan. When we were dating she said she didn’t like hatchbacks because they were like station wagons and station wagons are mom cars and she didn’t want a mom car.

      Then of course she became a mom and we did the mini van thing which she wasn’t all that happy about. Then she drove an Explorer and that van was quickly replaced by a Mountaineer. However she still had a sedan as her commuter. Then I picked her up an Escape Hybrid when her car was totaled and I didn’t have a lot of time, now she won’t even consider a sedan.

  • avatar
    threeer

    I think this is what my mother will face when she goes to buy her next (and likely last) new car. She loves sedans for their size (currently owns a 2012 Buick Verano), but I can already see her having some issues getting in and out of the car. Though she thinks all CUV/SUV are too large, I can see her being pointed to something like a “near-luxury” small CUV, if nothing else than for the ease of entry. We as auto enthusiasts may sometimes scoff at them, but those extra inches of elevation are most welcome for those that need them!

  • avatar
    Pete Zaitcev

    We are in a market for a sedan or a coupe, and basically everything is far too large. I tried to insert Accord, and it’s not working. On the other hand, Z is too small and impractical. The size issue puts Mini into the contention even though it is _not a sedan_. Even Volvo S60 is 187 inches long nowadays.

  • avatar
    bufguy

    Volkswagen is its own worst enemy with vehicle launches. Everyone realizes the Passat is ancient and has only had a face lift in almost eight years compounded by the fact that VW has announced and promoted a new Passat for almost a year that still is not for sale. The same will happen with the Golf/GTI…Although we may not get the new Golf, I wonder how long it will take to get the MK8 GTI. The MK8 was just unveiled and I bet it will be over a year until the US market sees it

    • 0 avatar
      SPPPP

      The current Passat is basically a traditional large sedan, done nicely. Old or not doesn’t matter that much in my eyes. Unlike the styling of something like the Hyundai Sonata, the current Passat’s styling ages well because it’s clean and not overdone.

      The 2020 Passat’s styling seems to be a step backwards, with two large, tasteless grills. It looks like an oversized Jetta and lacks the stately presence of the current model. So I don’t think the new Passat will help sales much.

      On the other hand, it appears that Volkswagen has wisely avoided such silliness as overuse of touch controls. It still has a headlight knob. This is very smart, and will protect the Passat from the problems that the Golf will soon face.

      There are few other changes to the Passat, so I don’t see why anyone would wait for the 2020, unless they really like the upcoming model’s styling.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    …Americans are likely to purchase and lease fewer than 1.4 million midsize cars in 2019…

    …Rental agencies are likely to purchase and lease fewer than 1.4 million midsize cars in 2019…

    There. Fixed it for you.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    The premium mid-size market is actually growing, but only because the Model 3 is in it. Every other car in the segment is losing ground.

    http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-analysis-2019-q2-premium-mid-sized-segment/#more-54164

  • avatar
    TheDutchGun

    I’m going to source the newest possible model year accord 2.0t manual in a few years while I can.

    I predict after current year 2020 or possibly 2021 it will no longer be offered.

    I like cars personally and hope they don’t die out entirely.

  • avatar
    3800FAN

    I get why people are ditching sedans. I understood after replacing my grand marquis with an accord…lack of utility. The grand marquids trunk made it a 4 door el camino with a bed liner…what else has similar utility and almost midsize sedan mpg? A honda crv. As much as i enjoy driving the accord i really do miss the utility of the grand marquis more than i expected to and question if i shoulda gotten a crv instead. Good thing my other vehicle is an odyssey =)

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    I agree with most everything said above even though I just bought my neighbor’s low mileage 2012 Buick LaCrosse at a bargain price. I don’t really think car companies don’t care if you buy a crossover versus a sedan as long as you buy something they make. If a few more car lines are discontinued they will be replaced by a crossover that will sell many more units. Not just the low profile and slit windows of sedans are hurting them but the lack of a useable trunk. There are some things I like better about cars but if you want the extra utility and space then a crossover offers those and for most people that is more than enough whether it be subcompact, compact, midsize, or full size there is a size for everyone’s needs and tastes.

    But if you are looking for a deal a sedan at a more reduced price is hard to beat whether lightly used or new.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    I used a double negative. I meant car companies don’t care if you buy a crossover instead of a sedan as long as they make the sale. I don’t see sedans entirely disappearing and I don’t see crossovers as being just a fad. Crossovers offer a lot of utility and most come with the option of AWD which is very good to have in colder climates with snow.

  • avatar
    Conslaw

    My wife and I rented a 2019 Nissan Altima this summer. The Altima is generally considered to be a middle-of-the-pack midsizer, but honestly, this car was excellent. It was quiet, quick, fuel-efficient (40MPG), great trunk, comfortable, lots of safety features – including radar cruise control, blind-spot warning.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    @3800FAN–Agree the trunk on my 2012 Buick Lacrosse E-assist is small. My wife’s 2000 Taurus had a sizable trunk. If I need to use cargo area for hauling it would be my wife’s 2013 CRV or my truck. The Buick has a roomy interior but the trunk is almost useless but then I don’t plan on using the trunk that much.

  • avatar
    mikey

    I’m a 65 year old male My 15 EB Mustang was getting a little tough to live with on a daily basis . I liked the size, so tried out a Premier Package Malibu .. .,Uncomfortable seats, and you can’t get a V6. Ive driven my daughters 16 Grand Cherokee. Arguably the nicest CUV out there . Just not for me.

    I spy a loaded, all black , heavily discounted , and IMHO very eye appealing 2019 Impala.. I bucked the trend and three days later I owned it.

    I bought Weather Tech mats for the big Chev.. Next week a liberal soaking of Krown rust proof is scheduled . I figure if I’m still on the right side of the sod in 10 years ??? ….I may just have a collectors item (SARC)

    • 0 avatar
      Thomas Kreutzer

      If was was buying a car the Impala would very much be on my short list. I think they are the best looking Impala since 1965 are simply wonderful full-size sedans.

  • avatar
    dividebytube

    My wife refuses to do anything crossover. She doesn’t like the tippy feeling versus a lower sitting car plus the blandness. Of course she had a large sedan – Infiniti M35x – with a lot of trunk and passenger space; plus it is AWD so no worries there. And before that a Mini Cooper S.

    Plus the M35x has an excellent “greenhouse” – lots of nice views through the glass for the driver, no matter where they crane their head. It feels like an updated old school B-Body or Panther but put together a lot more nicely.

    I know it’s a dated platform but now I’m thinking of getting a used Q70 for myself, or as a replacement for her car. Plus having a teenage son who is 6’7″ means we need a vehicle with a lot of legroom! A CRV or RAV-4 isn’t going to cut it.

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    abitolder

    As we age and our parents get older, we find as caregivers that they are in fact shrinking and losing height. This makes it difficult for them to get into CUV or SUV vehicles. I have a CRV which has a low entry floor, yet my mother who went from 5’2″ to 4’10” has trouble lifting a leg to get in. The Accord (9th gen) works much better for this, but you do have to give them a hand getting out. Tried small footstep for getting in but it is unstable in snow or on rough ground. So yes there is hope, but old age is a learning curve. Accord even has a big trunk for the walker!

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    tankinbeans

    I frequently drive my mom and aunt around and they have some mobility issues. Mom’s hip is degrading and she’s already had a knee replacement. I had a Mazda6 which was great, but with the hip and joint issues for my frequent passengers it got to be a challenge. I ended up getting a CX-5 which had everything I wanted, save a manual. The mileage penalty isn’t too terrible and will likely improve as the vehicle breaks in.

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    Jeff S

    @mikey–Good choice one of the best cars GM has made in recent years along with the LaCrosse. That is one reason I bought my neighbors low mileage 2012 LaCrosse Premium (45k miles) for 11k a one owner pampered car. I rented an Impala LTZ a few years ago and loved it to the point where I didn’t want to return it. A lot of car for the money especially a used low mileage one.

    I also ordered WeatherTech laser cut mats front and back.

    I am 67.

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