By on August 30, 2018

We’re going to get quite selfish and authoritarian today, because we all harbor those feelings and it’s good to let them out from time to time. Safely.

You’re not a CEO in this hypothetical circumstance. You’re not an auto executive or designer or fabulously wealthy buyer with a garage capable of housing the USS Iwo Jima, either. No, you’re the same person you were when you laid your head down last night. Just more powerful. Omnipotent. You carry the world in your hands, and we all cower at your feet.

And you have a job to do.

That job is to kill off an automaker simply because its existence annoys the living shit out of you. That’s all. Yes, it’s an entirely selfish and morally reprehensible exercise, but you’ve been handed the power to snap your fingers and never be annoyed by hearing about a certain company’s products (or troubles, or fans) ever again, and you’d best not waste your chance.

Imagine getting the opportunity to rid the world of Billy Joel’s music. Well, this is the automotive equivalent.

It’s possible the answers to this question could prove quite illuminating, as it blends the psychological with the physical. With some automakers, the products are something you’ve decided will never interest you, but you can’t bring yourself to feel particularly vengeful against the company itself. It tries its best, some people like them, and so be it. It’s quite a different story when you combine those products, which you are definitely not planning on taking home this year (or indeed in your lifetime), and combine it with an annoying periphery. Fandom, drama, obnoxious marketing, activism — the list goes on and on.

You probably know what company I’m thinking of.

But hey, maybe you’ve got another one in mind. Let’s hear it, as well as the reasoning for it. Hopefully not everyone lands on the same page.

[Image: Century 21]

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136 Comments on “QOTD: I Am Become Death, Destroyer of Cars?...”


  • avatar
    seth1065

    I will take the high road and only wipe out Brodoozer pick up trucks. Everything else serves a purpose to someone, I would never buy a BMW but people do and they help keep Audi, MB and I guess Caddy on their toes.
    Hell I am sure some folks love their Fait 500 and if it works for them , good for them. You can have you big pickup trucks but I see no need to roll coal in my face.

    I will instead turn my power on those who must , for some reason unknown to me, drive with a dog on their lap. WHY WHY??? I would force them to take the bus.

    • 0 avatar
      IBx1

      Good luck towing a gooseneck with your 320i.

      • 0 avatar
        seth1065

        1Bx1,

        I have no desire for a 320I and I am pretty sure folks can tow their Gooseneck with a factory spec PU of their choice, but when your have a small coal plant just to piss off folks in my view you have crossed into being a dick. I may be wrong, is their a reason to roll coal?? I was not getting rid of diesel pickups per say just the coal fired homemade ones.

      • 0 avatar
        JimZ

        I doubt any bro-dozer in existence has ever had a trailer attached to it, gooseneck or otherwise.

        • 0 avatar
          Glenn Mercer

          Jeez, I mean a gooseneck is a just a table lamp isn’t it? Should be quite towable…. oh…. oh wait… okay, I get it!

        • 0 avatar
          arach

          The OP explicitly states “rolling Coal” in a brodozer.

          Rolling Coal is only possible in 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

          But 99% of 1 ton trucks are doing things like:
          Delivering construction equipment
          Plowing Driveways
          Hauling Dirt
          Pulling horses, cows, or Pigs
          Delivering landscaping equipment.

          What are those people supposed to do if we eliminate all 3/4 and 1 ton trucks?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            I think he was referring to the true bro-dozer clownmobiles versus actual work trucks.

          • 0 avatar
            Maymar

            2500/3500 =/= brodozer. We don’t need to eliminate useful trucks, although we’d probably be well served by routing the exhaust of any excessively smoking truck into the cabin.

          • 0 avatar
            salmonmigration

            Y’all have evidently never lived in the south.

            I’ve seen one tons with lime green paint lifted 3 feet in the air.

            I’ve seen one tons with low profile tires on 30″ rims.

            I’ve seen one tons with 2 foot lift kits, bumper pulling 40′ flatbeds.

            The brodozer fad is not contained to half tons.

      • 0 avatar
        Sigivald

        “You can have you big pickup trucks but I see no need to roll coal in my face. ”

        “Brodozer” here, I think, refers to aftermarket modification and usage, not “big truck”.

        So gooseneck towing with Normal Big Pickups is unaffected.

    • 0 avatar
      Car Guy

      “Brodoozer” is the most overused, stupid, word that should be wiped out….

      • 0 avatar
        JimZ

        what else are we supposed to call a uselessly lifted 4×4 festooned with confederate flags, Gadsden flags, “ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ” stickers, and all emissions hardware removed so it can drag dense black clouds behind it out of its 6″ diameter tailpipe?

      • 0 avatar
        redmondjp

        Why? It’s a perfect one-word term for what they are. Not for non-lifted work trucks that are used for their intended purpose, but for those compensating for something else, many of whom feel the need to blow sooty exhaust into every Prius-driver’s window that they can.

        • 0 avatar
          MoparRocker74

          Those who are constantly drinking the big truck Haterade might want to look inward at why exactly theyre so concerned about what truck owners are supposedly ‘compensating for’. As to coal being rolled on Priuses…those pompous overbearing and self righteous d-bags created the coal rollers. Try pushing your holier than thou do-gooderism onto others and and they’ll push back. You sensitive types sure bruise easily too.

          • 0 avatar
            Vulpine

            Look who’s bruised, MR74. Your own words give the lie to your statement. Those big Coal Rollers are illegal in most states and can be confiscated if caught “rolling the coal.” Oh, they can stay jacked up for all I care; almost anyone can out-run one of those monsters on the road and even in the dirt. Their strength is at 35mph… any faster and they flop over.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Bulls**t, Mopar…folks in Priuses who are just driving down the street, minding their own damn business, deserve to have clouds of toxic black smoke blown at them they’re driving something that’s environmentally friendly?

            Yeah, no.

            Coal rollers aren’t pushing back. They’re just being un-neighborly a**holes.

            You might want to take a good look in the mirror if that’s what you really believe.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            “You sensitive types sure bruise easily too.”

            says the guy who thinks blasting smoke in people’s faces is a reasonable response to them being “pompous.”

            Why is it that the people who complain so much about “sensitive snowflakes” are the biggest snowflakes themselves?

            Hick.

            “As to coal being rolled on Priuses…those pompous overbearing and self righteous d-bags created the coal rollers. Try pushing your holier than thou do-gooderism onto others and and they’ll push back.”

            LOL. It’s not my fault, they MADE ME DO IT!

            Grow up.

          • 0 avatar
            road_pizza

            *sad trombone*

          • 0 avatar

            road_pizza

            This is a warning to slow your roll. You don’t get to put a * and say whatever you like. There will not be another warning.

  • avatar
    brettucks

    Chevrolet – badge engineering. lets make 5 decent cars instead of a good one.

    Ok, time to duck!

    (BMW was first impulse but Im sure it will show up)

    • 0 avatar
      MrGreenMan

      With the death of Pontiac and Saturn, and the castration of Buick, this is basically been done, right? Cadillac is going to eliminate/has eliminated the big FWD car that actually sold, so there’s no real Cadillac-Chevrolet sharing, and they made the Acadia smaller than the 7-seaters while making the Terrain bigger than the Equinox.

      Edit: I guess they call that thing a Terrain, not a Granite.

  • avatar
    IBx1

    Snapping hunday out

  • avatar
    ajla

    Buick ceases to exist on August 22, 2008.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    Not sure if Honda, Ford, or Volvo.

    Honda no longer offers the perfectly reliable cars it used to be known for, now it’s nothing more than an also run with reliability equal to the competition competing with frumpy crossovers.
    Ford has decent trucks, could stand going back to OHV V8s. Fords real issues are its frumpy cars and crossovers boring FWD sedans and crossovers with small engines.
    Volvo, great designs with horrible engines, bundled with questionable reliability due to Chinese ownership. Doesn’t even matter if they still build in Sweden or now in US, the ownership just makes them a non starter.

    • 0 avatar

      Oh come now. Volvo had questionable reliability long before they were owned by a Chinese company.

    • 0 avatar
      4drSedan

      Hey Hummer and everyone else, I have a completely serious question…

      I’m looking for the company that is today what Honda was. I have 3 Hondas, ’98, ’04, and ’17 Accords. I like each successive model several degrees less than the previous (in other words the ’98 is my favorite).

      So who is it today that makes a reliable, interesting to drive, not the same as everybody else, car (and I think Lexus is ugly and too expensive).

      • 0 avatar
        chrishs2000

        As a long time Honda owner, what are your issues with the 10g Civic or 10g Accord? Don’t believe in the turbo engine reliability? IMO, the 10g Accord is much more interesting to drive than the 9g, and definitely stands out (for better or worse).

    • 0 avatar
      Ryoku75

      Modern Hondas dont rust as nearly as bad as older the models, all the while being much safer. Their reliability hasn’t gotten notably worse as much as near everyones caught up.

      As for Volvo, their “questionable reliability” began ages ago, the 850 in particular was a bad egg. Its S70 even worse (you need a special Volvo specific tuner to fix some things).

  • avatar

    Tesla.

    I’m tired TIRED of the flailing about, and the continual game of expensive charades. The only way to end this is to terminate the company.

    • 0 avatar
      Vulpine

      Not in the least surprised with this one… though I disagree.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Agree on being tired of the drama. But Tesla does not deserve to die. It deserves to be run by someone who’s not channeling Howard Hughes.

      • 0 avatar

        I don’t generally see a way out of him running it until he’s ready for retirement. By then the company will be long gone.

        For the record, I’m not against an electric car company at all. I’m against the false claims, hype, and fanboyism.

        The same or very similar reasons are why I don’t like Apple.

        • 0 avatar
          JimZ

          Tesla would be in so, so much better shape if they had a competent COO (apparently they have none) and competent manufacturing management who could tell Elon to get his damn hands off of the assembly line.

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            @JimZ: Agreed. Look at how smoothly things are going at SpaceX under Gwynne Shotwell. They need to find someone like her for Tesla. That person needs to know what she does to handle him.

    • 0 avatar
      forward_look

      He’s Tucker. All hype, cool looking but bad cars.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Tucker made hundreds of thousands of cars?

        No, Tesla’s not like Tucker. It’s really more the automotive equivalent of Hughes Aircraft, if you think about it – lots of innovation, most of it from a visionary who didn’t care how the vision got manufactured. And no small amount of BS and shameless self promotion.

        • 0 avatar
          Vulpine

          BINGO, FreedMike. The similarities are surprisingly similar when you look at the Hercules (Spruce Goose) debacle that so embarrassed the Senate in 1947, I believe (or was it ’48?)

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Not just the Spruce Goose thing – Hughes just cared about making cool stuff. He flat out didn’t care how it got made. And then there’s whole “eccentric” thing – clearly Musk hasn’t gone full Dark Side Of The Moon like Hughes did, but he’s kooky enough.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      ^ This.

      • 0 avatar
        hpycamper

        Yeah right. Kill the company that made electric cars real, and that makes cars people actually want. Geesh. Car enthusiast site my…

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          @hpycamper

          they also make some damned fast cars. I’ve always thought true car enthusiasts would care more about performance than politics or the companies CEO. “Yeah, it’s a fast car but it gets subsidies and I don’t like the CEO so I don’t like the car.” For me, just give me the performance and screw everything else.

    • 0 avatar
      rpn453

      A few weeks ago, I’d have chosen Tesla to die, in the hopes that (banned user rhyming with logo) AKA Big3Beancounter AKA Sean Goldstein would kill himself in shame. This, of course, assumes that I’d have been able to even log in and reply back then.

      But that hatred by association has quickly faded, and I expect the Tesla situation to continue to be entertaining. I’m glad there is so much competition in the automotive market. Let them all survive if they can.

      • 0 avatar
        rpn453

        Wow, it finally posted. I guess that username really is a banned word. Makes sense. I can’t think of any word more offensive than that one.

        Alright, now I removed the word rhyming with stole. Let’s see if that’s a prohibited term.

        How about the one rhyming with “rolvo driver”, his other pseudonym?

  • avatar
    30-mile fetch

    Nissan/Infiniti.

    From its lack of interesting cars to its lack of quality on the workaday vehicles, this is a manufacturer who currently does nothing that isn’t done better by someone else. No, the GTR is not enough to carry it, though I might snap up a stick shift 370Z before executing the rest of the line.

    I don’t watch TV so I’m immune from the annoying car ads that might provoke me with other brands.

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      I might be the only one this way, but ever since I was little, any product I see in a commercial I see a negative light. When I was young it pi***** me off to no end to have to watch commercials between my cartoons and I developed an extreme hatred, and I use that term in its full capacity, toward products I see in commercials. I’m just weird like that.
      Fortunately I no longer watch much TV.

  • avatar
    jack4x

    Every Chinese manufacturer. Smother them in the cradle before they ever get a foothold in North America.

  • avatar
    iddqd

    best topic in decades….kudos to TTAC for showing such sistingushied taste in posts!

    as to me, tomakethings short:
    JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG.
    (BECAUSE HE OWNS A JAG,ya know…)

  • avatar
    Vulpine

    Simply put, I would go on a moratorium… and let each and every brand live or die on its own merits.

    • 0 avatar
      hpycamper

      Your hate and anger is a little weak; needs more cowbell.

      • 0 avatar
        Vulpine

        Ah… but that’s the point, hpycamper. While I dislike some brands, I have no desire to see any of them killed off. What I want is to see them fix what they are doing wrong.

        • 0 avatar
          hpycamper

          Vulpine
          I’m not a good writer. Was in my awkward way trying to offer a little support to another reader who had a similar idea as me.

          • 0 avatar
            Vulpine

            Ah, forgive me, hpycamper. I saw your sarcasm and attempted to expand upon its message. I am not an extremist when it comes to most things but I abhor hate for hate’s sake, which is what most of the discussion tends to devolve into on forums.

  • avatar
    Steve Biro

    Do I have the power to take a more-targeted approach and wipe out divisions of companies or lines of equipment? I’d set phasers to “dematerialize” for GM’s OnStar division and Subaru’s EyeSight equipment.

    I own a Subaru without EyeSight now and it’s just fine. But EyeSight is now becoming standard in all models. As a result, we lose the manual transmission option and get constant monitoring of the driver with facial recognition techology. If it decides I’m not looking where it wants me to, it slows down and stops the car.

    OnStar constantly monitors everywhere you go and how you drive – even if you opt out. It also plans to bombard you with targeted ads based on the intelligence that it gathers – and sells to third parties, including your insurance company.

    If I could not target only EyeSight and OnStar then I would delete GM and Subaru as an example for other auto companies.

    • 0 avatar
      iddqd

      i have 100% respect for every Subaru owner there is.
      bloody shamethey monitor the driver these days…
      happened to be be one of the few brands for true enthusiasts and `no-show` people..

    • 0 avatar
      dont.fit.in.cars

      Agree about Onstar and why I’ll never purchase another GM product with it. That relegates me to WT Trucks.

    • 0 avatar
      bullnuke

      Any manufacturer who builds vehicles with non-defeatable stop/start technology meaning GM (but they should have disappeared back in 2009 instead of picking our pockets to continue surviving basically unchanged).

    • 0 avatar
      chrishs2000

      Honda’s safety suite works and is available with manual transmissions. They are just making excuses.

      Adaptive cruise control with a 6MT is EXTREMELY unsettling. The clutch doesn’t turn it off…

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Acura. I can’t think of a more pointless nameplate.

  • avatar
    tallguy130

    Ram: I’m sorry but every driver looks like they are compensating for what god didn’t give them or trying to combat Low T. Something about the six inch R_A_M plastered across the back just feeds into that assumption.

    Fiat was a runner up but it’s already on the way out so no need to waste my god like powers.

  • avatar
    jfk-usaf

    FCA…! I’d remove Jeep from their possession and give it to another manufacturer with instructions to fix design and quality issues or flush them too.
    Chevy. Not really bothered by the other GM brands but I really don’t like Chevy (especially the commercials)

  • avatar
    kefkafloyd

    “Imagine getting the opportunity to rid the world of Billy Joel’s music. Well, this is the automotive equivalent.”

    What did Billy Joel do to you? Not judging, just curious.

    The trouble is that all the easy brands are done. TBH, what is Skoda or Seat doing for anybody? They’re just Volkswagens. Axe em.

  • avatar
    threeer

    Buick, and this even though I rather like the new Regal wagon, but also understand this could just as easily be badged as a Chevy. I see little to no redeeming value to keeping Buick around, at least not in the US. The Verano is dead, the Encore (though it seems to sell well enough) is a Korean/Chinese job that could also make it just as well as a Chevy and the Envision is an abomination that should not be allowed to be sold under a American nameplate. There just isn’t enough there in Buick to keep it going (other than the fact the Chinese seem to love the brand).

  • avatar
    ciscokidinsf

    I’m conflicted…I want to kill Nissan, but they recently adopted Mitsubishi (the one I would make car maker #1 with my powers) so If I kill Nissan, I kill Mitsubishi. Can’t kill Mitsubishi.

    Sorry Buick…time for you to go.

  • avatar
    arach

    I’m torn between VW- Nothing but overpriced CRAP. or Nissan.

    I think I’m going with Nissan, but only because they are the least remarkable manufacturer out there. Nissan is nothingness. Its average everything. The only car Nissan has that is in anyway remarkable is the GTR, and thats just because its almost as good as the exotics at a lower price point. If the world was void of GTRs, it really wouldn’t matter. Every other car is incredibly AVERAGE… not necessarily BAD, but just unremarkable.

    You can hate on other manufacturers.. say Tesla, but even if you hate tesla, they had a huge positive influence on the market. You can hate Toyota, but again they have a huge positive influence on the market. You can hate on Kia or Hyundai, but they have a huge positive influence on the market. Each of those automakers in some way or another creates positive pressures on other automakers, forcing them to innovate and improve…. be it quality, warranty, and price (hyundai and kia, 2 of the most influential brands in the world IMHO) or new power system adoption (Tesla), or manufacturing processes, distribution, and technical innovation (Toyota).

    Some may hate BMW, but they fail to recognize how much the automakers rely on BMW for their technical innovations (which they resell to other automakers). Some may hate FCA because their cars are generally awful, but how much of a cultural influence are products like Ram and Jeep? How much are other manufacturers pushed by the hellcats? I can find redeeming qualities of almost every other make. I hear a lot of people saying kill Buick, but buick is a brand not an automaker per the rules… killing buick would be killing GM.

    But Nissan? Nissan is just fine. its OK. And if were killed off, the auto industry would not change… and that is the sad fact of the matter. Kill off any other automaker and the industry would drastically shift.

    Kill off Nissan and the world would simply be nissanless.

    Nissan is just well, unremarkable.

    • 0 avatar
      Truckducken

      This is perfect.

    • 0 avatar
      seth1065

      I do not know , Nissan sells everyday cars and for many folks that is all the need. Also the sold the Juke which I think is bat crazy but it was different, they sold the Exterra, which was different, they sell a cheap cheap car ( versa) that is a decent new car for it’s price, they still sell the Z , not cutting edge but a decent deal and the Frontier a basic truck.

      My point is Yes I agree it is not a great time to be a Nissan fan ( and I am not one) but it we killed them know we would be denying them the future where they sell better stuff to us. If we killed off Kia when they got here , ok fine they sucked but they invested money and time and have a pretty good lineup now.

  • avatar
    TMA1

    Are we wiping out all current models in existence, or just future ones? Either way, I’d like to get all the ratty Mercedes and Nissans off the road. Probably Nissan should go first. At least their annoying commercials would stop.

  • avatar
    MBella

    It’s hard to pick a company or brand. Additional choices are never a bad thing. Even if it was Toyota for their drivers, those would just migrate into something else.

  • avatar
    eggsalad

    I’m concerned by both the question and the responses.

    You folks let a car company annoy you? Life’s too short to be annoyed by things beyond your control.

    And without remorse, you volunteer to kill an entire manufacturer without any regard for the tens of thousands of people you are about to put out of work?

    I’m disgusted.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    E-A-S-Y as pie.

    GUANGZHOU-GUADALAJARA MOTORS (GM).

    No automaker in recent times deserved to die more than this taxpayer bailed-out, seditious (knowingly transfers automotive, military and other proprietary technology to Chicom state owned enterprises such as SAIC just to get piece of China’s domestic market), maker of utter $hit.

    Guangzhou-Guadalajara Motors (GM) suppliers send love and kisses <3 from Chinese Lowest Cost Bidder Provinces of Harbin, Heilongjiang, Fujian, and Changing! President for life Xi and Communist Party also send love to America and GM executives and politicians who subsidize them!

    • 0 avatar
      Zykotec

      The only reason I disagree with you is the smallblock chevy and the LS series engines. Hot rodders started using smallblocks in Fords as soon as they came out, and I’ve even heard about people putting a Z-28 302 into a Shelby as soon as those came out. And as a HotRod/Mustang lover I can’t imagine a world without Chevy V8’s.

  • avatar
    Zykotec

    Well, bye bye VW then. The closest thing they ever came to designing their own car was a stolen prewar design, which development was funded by the Nazis to make a peoples car, which more or less turned out to be just a PR stunt, though it did make a decent base for some really bad military vehicles. Underpowered, overengineered with built in rust traps to lead hot air to it’s freezing passengers. About the only thing good about it was its iconic design, which still looks cute and homely today.
    People claim you can drop and replace the engine in minutes , but they never mention the time it takes to remove all the tin and coolin ducts because they forgot to put a radiator in it. Forget bringing any luggage too.
    Had it been released to the public in 1938 it would have been an OK car by European standards, by the 60’s it was so outdated and slow that it was an embarrassment. (although a very good looking and cute embarrassment)
    And after the beetle VW could not come up with anything for decades, so they kept building it until Audi engineered a car for them. Which Audi has been doing ever since.
    VW even struggles to make better cars than Skoda, since the only really bad thing about Skodas are their VW powertrains…
    And don’t gie me that whole ‘but-they-made-the-GTi’ thing, Ford had been doing things like that since 1932…And the Golf was just another Audi parts bin special that wasn’t even designed in house…

    • 0 avatar
      iddqd

      not too far off…the original VW design was form a czech guy named Ledwinka…all the Porsche`s design derive from that…
      probably because of bad feelings VW imported the Skoda brand in the early 90s, which eversince grew to be the BETTER VW…
      go figure

  • avatar
    seth1065

    1Bx1,

    I have no desire for a 320I and I am pretty sure folks can tow their Gooseneck with a factory spec PU of their choice, but when your have a small coal plant just to piss off folks in my view you have crossed into being a d***. I may be wrong, is their a reason to roll coal?? I was not getting rid of diesel pickups per say just the coal fired homemade ones.

    It seems the overlords did not like D*** spelled out so hopefully this is OK

  • avatar
    ernest

    This question is more complicated than it seems like on the surface.

    1. I’m not a VW fan, but killing off VW would also kill off Audi and Porsche.
    2. Hyundai and KIA are literally joined at the hip.
    3. Renault drives the Nissan/Mitsubishi bus.
    4. I’m not a Fiat fan… but the Dodge/Chrysler/Ram product line has turned into icon’s in their own right.

    Not an easy question.

    • 0 avatar
      Zykotec

      Since this is just a fantasy game I’m imagining a world where Porsche and Audi keeps living without the VW brand, but all the employees could be relocated to engineer parts that could at least live through the warranty period for Audi, and help out with the production of Skoda and Seat since they would have to ramp that up anyway with one less competitor. (like, imagine if GM had killed off Chevrolet instead of Oldsmobile and Pontiac?)

  • avatar
    Flipper35

    Mercedes would go if I had to choose just one. I could buy an Accord that looks and performs better in the entry Merc market. In the high end market there are other nicer looking, better driving, better built cars out there. I swear when they merged with Chrysler they learned how to bean count from Chrysler and never recovered. They have nothing desirable in each class for the price.

  • avatar
    bobmaxed

    Well for me I would get rid of Jeep. They have no vehicles that I’m interested in. And it would stop my wife from buying one.

  • avatar
    I_like_stuff

    My first instinct would be Tesla. But that’s kind of cheating since Tesla isn’t really a car manufacturer. It’s simply a giant Ponzi scheme. Herbalife isn’t a nutrition company, it’s a Ponzi scheme with “nutrition” as its gimmick. Tesla is the car version of Herbalife, with “cars” as the gimmick instead of fruit juices.

    So to answer the question of actual car companies I’d want wiped off the earth….Lexus. Not Toyota mind you, just the marketing division of Toyota that goes by the name of Lexus.

  • avatar
    christophervalle

    For me that’s an easy call. GM in its entirety. My example atrocity, of which there have been many, is the matte black trim they used to use on all manner of cars, and probably trucks. It was metal parts with matte black paint, and included parts like windshield wiper arms. The problem was that it took little time for the sun, salt, a whisper of wind, or a sidelong glance to cause it to crack, peel and/or fade. Yeah, anyone can make a mistake (even though there are ways of simulating those effects for endurance testing). My problem was that while they were fully aware of the shortcomings of this particular surface, they didn’t care. They did it for, what…10-15 years? Maybe more? That kind of utter disregard for the quality and appearance of their products, and their customers is what prompts me to bring them to nonexistence. I may want to snatch a Z06 Corvette before I pull the trigger.

  • avatar
    bobtheowl

    I was going to pick Mitsubishi simply because I have no interest in anything they sell right now, but I think my real pick is going to be Chevrolet.

    The reason? Not the questionable quality, derivative styling, or badge engineering, but simply for those god-awful real people commercials.

  • avatar
    PandaBear

    BMW. I cannot stand the snobs.

    • 0 avatar
      Ermel

      This.

    • 0 avatar
      salmonmigration

      BMW is the correct answer. Nothing they build is significantly different from any other German brand. Rolls Royce just makes 8-series with different sheetmetal. Mini just gives them an excuse to sell crappy overpriced hatchbacks, and at the same time circle-jerk over English stereotypes.

      Someone name something innovative BMW has done in the past 25 years.

    • 0 avatar
      Dan

      I have the same immediate reaction to BMW that you do.

      But the actual BMWs that I see anymore aren’t the angry little cars tailgating me that built that reputation. They’re big soft cars driven politely by aging boomers who would and should be in Buicks if GM hadn’t chit the bed so badly.

      Pricks drive Audis and Range Rovers now.

  • avatar
    TDIandThen....

    Great question.

    My answer is any car maker making a consumer-targeted SUV or CUV: I’d like to see the road and traffic in front of me again, thank you. Either get a work-truck with things loaded in the back and moving distance, get a tractor trailer, or get off the road. Everyone seems to have forgotten that SUVs are ugly, too much weight in the hands of the accident-prone, and by blocking sightlines, they limit everyone’s ability to anticipate: dangerous.

    I realize this means basically every auto manufacturer except Koenigsseg. That’s fine with me.

    If forced to choose just one manufacturer for death, I might kill Koenigsseg because it’s too beautiful for this world, but GM is the purveyor of putrid that has to go – give the LS to Ford and let’s move along.

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    I don’t think I have the heart to kill a company, certainly not here in the UK, where we need to encourage as much automotive variety as possible for the sake of our collective sanity.

    So, I’d like to kill Rolls-Royce’s marketing department. By now, the “world’s most prestigious motor car brand” ought to be able to sell itself without having to supply chauffeured Wraiths at Mediterranean hotels to provide exclusive transport to a curated assemblage of “valued patrons”. And enough of the endless special editions that are 1.8% more exclusive than last week’s special edition. The sheer artifice and pretense does nothing but cheapen the brand, and accentuate its association with ultra-wealthy idiots.

    And stop calling them “Motor Cars”!

    Thanks.

  • avatar
    James2

    Toyota. Let their talentless designers go design kitchen appliances or something.

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    vehic1

    Zykotec: F’chrissakes, still singling out VW for the 80-years-ago Nazi connection? Did you not realize that Japan fought on Germany’s side, and that Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer? – so what’s up with re-animating the corpse of that old sawhorse? And if we’re talking about poorly made vehicles – we can talk Pintos, rollover Explorers, a great many vehicles of the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I’m sorry that VW sales have improved lately; try not to be depressed – you can get yourself a hot new Ford Ecosport!

    • 0 avatar
      Zykotec

      lol,I’m not hating on VW for their Nazi connections,(I could have worded that better maybe?) it’s just that the only car they ever made themselves could not have been made at all without the help of a government hellbent on making a peoples car. Considering the budget and the engineering time the beetle had no right to end up as bad as it did. Especially since most of the enginering was stolen from people who were actual engineers.
      Now that I think about it, maybe old Ferdinand was trying to sabotage Hitler?

      Ford has made a lot of crappy cars, but they have made very few cars as slow as the Beetle (at least after WW2) or as boring as any generation Passat. And yeah, there’s a reason a lot of Fords have smallblock Chevys and LS motors…
      Not saying all VW’s are ‘bad’ cars, it’s just that without Audi they wouldn’t exist after 1978.(except in Mexico and Brazil) All ‘good’ VW’s are cheap versions of Audis.
      I still think the Beetle looks good though. As does the Guigiaro designed Golf mk1

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    MoparRocker74

    Id LOVE to eliminate Buick, but since its popular/moneymaking in China it goes over there 100%.

    Toyota has nothing redeeming outside the Lexus RC, 86, and Tacoma but grannies, nerds, and terrible inattentive drivers will just glom onto other marques. Besides, we need to be able to spot them easily. Id love to eliminate the Prius as much as I despise it, but you cant have jokes, sarcasm and contempt without an appropriate whipping boy.

    Tesla…well that’s gonna implode on its own.

    I’m going with Nissan and anything attached to it. The Frontier, 370Z, and GT-R nameplates and tooling get sold to the highest bidder while the rest just vanish un-missed. The reasons were stated above. Mitsubishi is pretty much dead already.

  • avatar
    Garak

    Aixam should go, as well as other moped-car manufacturers. They’re somehow allowed to sell products that make a Tata Nano look like a tank.

  • avatar
    dougjp

    Subaru. Marketing, Activism, CVTs. More than enough reasons. SNAP ;)

  • avatar
    Zackman

    FCA, ’nuff said.

  • avatar
    Ryoku75

    Id kill Tesla, but itll probably die on its own soon enough. Their cars stand for everything against what I want out of a car on top of a company that essentially relies on a Patreon to stay afloat.

    Im going to vote Subaru, the STi/WRX might be nice if not dated, but what do their other cars do that others cant? Nearly every mainstream carmaker has several AWD CUVs to pick from.

    On top of that, most of Subarus offerings are close enough that theyre kinda redundant (Do I get Imprezza based CUV A or Imprezza based CUV B?).

    • 0 avatar
      RedRocket

      It’s a tough call for me between Subaru and Nissan but in the end I agree with you, mostly because Nissans are almost totally unremarkable, invisible and inoffensive, but killing Subaru would eventually rid of the sound of their coarse, agricultural engines and the sight of the Suba-bros who drive the things while blowing massive clouds of vapor out the drivers window while cruising around with huge wings on the back and a 4″ straight exhaust.

  • avatar
    hpycamper

    More choices is better, so don’t kill off any companies. just fix what ails them. If you want to kill off something, how about over zealous bean counters who stifle automotive creativity.

  • avatar
    dukeisduke

    A whole automaker? Okay. BMW, as it’s become a self-parody.

  • avatar
    dukeisduke

    And where’s that picture from? I’m intrigued.

    • 0 avatar
      Maymar

      Someone in B.C. sold off their property and entire car collection for approximately $1.5 million CDN.

      https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/tappen-michael-hall-cars-1.4049999

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    George B

    Harder choice than it would seem at first because car companies have a wide mix of models. I’d probably kill off Fiat if Ram, Jeep, and LX cars landed somewhere else.

    Another interesting option would be to take down a luxury brand by making cartoonishly garish versions of its products available to downscale customers through BHPH lots.

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    tankinbeans

    I wouldn’t necessarily destroy entire brands, but to riff off of what somebody mentioned in the comments a few days ago I’d destroy the ability to make automotive paint in the grey-scale. There’s too much white, off white, silver, gunmetal, black. Bring on more color and for the love of all that is holy don’t charge extra for it.

  • avatar

    Dear Commentariat,

    Answering your pertinent question I would kill all cars including EV. If I was elected President everybody and his cousin would ride bicycles and save planet by doing so (and not only our planet but also Mars and other planets known to man – so rovers and rockets will be killed too, ride bicycles instead NASA).

    Sincerely,
    Inside L. Out

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    Zackman

    Second thought: Besides killing off FCA, I WOULD kill off black and gray car interiors.

  • avatar
    rocketrodeo

    My wish has already been granted with the demise of Scion.

    But yes, Tesla next.

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    I would kill Toyota, just for fun and enjoy watching most people in USA walking aimlessly around, dazed and confused, like zombies with blank expressionless faces, after multiple failed attempts to find friendly Toyota dealership anywhere in USA. And now they are left out in the cold with Consumer Reports in one hand and hard earned cash in the other, mistakenly born in the hostile Universe where Toyota does not exist. Life in USA will come to a standstill – China and Russia will be thrilled.

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    road_pizza

    I’d kill Lexus simply for making our roads uglier and uglier with every RX350 they build, and throw Infiniti in for the same reason.

  • avatar
    WildcatMatt

    Can we have a question where we can resurrect a dead brand?

  • avatar

    Already done, June 2017.

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/06/qotd-which-dead-brand-resurrect-2017/

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