By on July 18, 2017

2018 Honda Odyssey - Image: © Timothy Cain

2018 Honda Odyssey Touring Elite

3.5-liter SOHC V6 (280 horsepower @ 6,000 rpm; 262 lb-ft @ 4,700 rpm)

Ten-speed automatic, front-wheel drive

19 city / 28 highway / 22 combined (EPA Rating, MPG)

12.2 city / 9.0 highway / 10.8 combined (NRCan Rating, L/100km)

21.6 mpg [10.9 L/100 km] (Observed)

Base Price: $30,930 (U.S) / $36,715 (Canada)

As Tested: $47,610 (U.S.) / $52,115 (Canada)

Prices include $940 destination charge in the United States and $1,825 for freight, PDI, and A/C tax in Canada and, because of cross-border equipment differences, can’t be directly compared.

You buy an iPhone 6 assuming you will like it more en-han you liked your old iPhone 5. You were excited to read Tender Is The Night because The Great Gatsby was a worthy tale. You had high hopes for The Godfather Part II on your Christmas holidays in 1974, having waited more than two years since The Godfather permanently altered cinema.

Expectations are everything, and my expectations for the  2018 Honda Odyssey Elite, a 280-horsepower, $47,610, eight-seater were high precisely because our garage houses a 2015 Honda Odyssey EX. My van isn’t perfect, but I’d happily buy another. And seven years after the fourth-generation Odyssey went into production, expectations for the fifth-generation model have grown significantly.

It’s 2017, not 2011. We expect quieter cabins, more powerful and more efficient engines, better interior materials, more standard features, and novel equipment.

In almost every facet, the fifth-gen 2018 Honda Odyssey is multiple steps beyond the fourth-gen Odyssey I own. But not every step forward is a step in the right direction.

2018 Honda Odyssey Elite - Image: © Timothy CainSilence isn’t Golden

Strange as it may sound, for example, the degree to which Honda made the formerly somewhat noisy Odyssey cabin a quiet and serene place for the 2018 model year served to expose noisier components. There’s very little engine noise, limited tire hum, and very little wind roar.

Yet in all of that silence, the B-pillar wind whistle becomes painfully obvious.

It’s an all-around win, of course, as even without the CabinTalk feature (similar to the Toyota Sienna’s EasySpeak, CabinTalk is available on EX-Ls and standard on Tourings and Elites) it’s now much easier to carry on a conversation with passengers in the Odyssey’s way back. Nevertheless, listening to the wind whistle away behind your left ear is tiresome.

Screen Time

Silence is also what you’ll have when children are tuned into the rear seat entertainment center. But there too, Honda didn’t quite finish the job. Rather than seatback screens as in the Chrysler Pacifica, the Odyssey’s 10.2-inch ceiling-mounted center screen is too small for outboard passengers and third row occupants.

Much better is the screen in the front row, Honda’s first implementation of a new electrostatic 8-inch infotainment unit. Highly customizable, featuring plentiful shortcut options, and quick to change menus, this is a major move forward from former dual-screen layouts that were never remotely speedy. It’s sensible and intuitive (unlike the hateful shifter above which it’s perched.)2018 Honda Odyssey - Image: © Timothy CainIt’s also the means by which you can tune into your children via CabinWatch, a ceiling-mounted camera (with pinch-to-zoom) that allows you to easily check the status of second-row children. I want to say it’s a gimmick, but with a rear-facing nine-month-old, CabinWatch certainly simplifies life.

Though heavily promoted, Honda is stingy with CabinWatch and CabinTalk availability, just as with rear seat entertainment. And those aren’t the only screens Honda limits to high-end buyers. Though the EX and EX-L add integrated sunshades in the second row, you need to spend big money on a Touring or Elite to get the built-in screens in the third-row windows. This isn’t a discredit to the Odyssey, but it’s in keeping with a historic Honda strategy that limits build variations. There are no options or option packages aside from navigation ($1,000) and rear entertainment ($1,000) on the EX-L.

Safe Spaces

Likewise, Honda’s suite of Honda Sensing safety gear isn’t standard fit across American Honda’s board, though it is in Canada. Lane Keeping Assist (which works particularly well in the Odyssey) along with adaptive cruise, auto high beams, blind spot monitoring, and cross traffic monitor aren’t available on American Honda’s basic Odyssey LX.

The Odyssey is still expected to be a particularly safe zone for a family of eight. NHTSA and IIHS haven’t reported crash test results, but the Odyssey scored exceptionally well in crash tests during the fourth-gen van’s tenure. It would be a shock if the new Odyssey wasn’t at least that protective.2018 Honda Odyssey - Image: © Timothy CainAs with safety, material and build quality are better than in older Odysseys, though the Odyssey interior’s luxury quotient was always going to be measured on features and space, not touch points.

Seating for eight limits the functionality of Honda’s new second-row Magic Slide seats. Remove the middle perch and the outboard second row seats move about — not just forward and back but side to side, even with child seats installed — to carve out better third-row access, to separate bickering children, for a makeshift baby changeable on the floor, or to slide long items through from the liftgate. Unlike eight-seaters such as the Toyota Highlander and Honda’s own Pilot, the Odyssey’s eight-seat capacity is the real deal. Third row space is arguably tops in the minivan sector. The second row can’t be expanded for Sienna-like levels of legroom, but three-across seating (with occupants in the rear) will be more comfortable here. Big windows make it easy for kids to see the great outdoors, too.

None of this requires a sacrifice in cargo volume, either, a hallmark of minivans. There’s 33 cubic feet of storage capacity behind the third row, roughly double the size of a particularly capacious sedan’s large trunk. With the third row stowed in the floor, cargo volume jumps to 87 cubic feet, perfect for owners who prefer to haul dogs, bike trailers, and old furniture rather than humans.

Steering, Shifting, Stopping, Stimulating

Once the sliding doors close, every minivan has redeeming qualities inside, from the Chrysler Pacifica’s Stow’N’Go to the Toyota Sienna’s ridiculous second row to the Kia Sedona’s luxurious front quarters. Perhaps you could also make a case for minivan superiority based on the exterior styling of the Sedona, or the Pacifica’s plug-in hybrid option, or the Sienna’s available all-wheel drive.

Alas, you can’t have it all. If all-wheel drive is deemed necessary, it doesn’t matter what the Sienna’s rivals can do. If two rows of Stow’N’Go are mandatory, the Sienna’s all-wheel drive is suddenly less advantageous.

If the case is going to be made for the fifth-gen 2018 Honda Odyssey to stand head and shoulders above its competitors, it’ll be easier to find supporting evidence once the Odyssey is put into motion.

The 2018 Honda Odyssey isn’t the S2000 of minivans. It’s no Civic Type R 2.0T with a six-speed manual. The Acura Integra GS-R was not reincarnated as an eight-seat minivan.2018 Honda Odyssey - Image: © Timothy CainBut many of the Odyssey’s redeeming dynamic qualities are experienced even in daily driving at regular speeds. The structure is so stiff and the van so much more nimble than its rivals that the 2018 Odyssey doesn’t feel like an unwieldy bus when maneuvering in a parking lot. The steering is more appropriately weighted, so your connection with the van isn’t lost when the time comes for a few quick lane changes and an overtake is required to make your next exit. The transmission doesn’t flub a shift and the rev-happy 280-horsepower V6 is exceptionally punchy, so you don’t become an unwilling partner in power, fearful that the noise of your engine and the awkwardness of an are-we-ready-yet upshift will alert your co-pilots to your modest hastening.

And when a twisty, rural, north shore Prince Edward Island opens up and you’re running late for lobster supper, this is the van you’ll want choose to make it to the feed on time. Obviously the Odyssey isn’t a profoundly capable backroad companion; you won’t soon want to betray your man/van partnership with hamfisted mid-corner inputs. But the Odyssey is keen to accelerate, happy to change directions, relatively flat in high-speed sweepers, not prone to rear end float, and just firm enough to be stable when cruising well above the speed limit on rough roads.

It’s no dynamic masterpiece, as a 4,693-pound eight-seater with 55 percent of its weight on the front axle and a 3,500-pound tow capacity never will be. The brake pedal, for example, is unnaturally firm; there doesn’t appear to be a commensurate improvement in stopping power. The steering’s lifeless zone at the straight-ahead is still irritating. Pull out to overtake, but be careful with the throttle or you’ll experience torque steer that verges on unacceptable.

Regardless of its imperfections, the 2018 Honda Odyssey’s superior skills still matter in this arena. For many minivan buyers, the decision to take the leap into the sliding door world represents something of a sacrifice, a letting go, a moment of acquiescence. You could have a very nice European luxury sports sedan at this price, after all.

Yet just because I’m buying a minivan doesn’t mean I developed, miraculously and overnight, an increased tolerance for poor on-road behavior. The 2018 Honda Odyssey doesn’t set my Miata-loving soul afire, but driven in haste the Odyssey is remarkably capable at downplaying all the shortcomings of a tall, heavy, comfort-biased vehicle.2018 Honda Odyssey interior - Image: © Timothy CainSalary Sucking

In Honda Canada’s language, the top-spec van in the 2018 Odyssey lineup is the Touring, tested here. It’s equivalent to American Honda’s Elite, one step above the Touring.

In the U.S., 2018 Odyssey start at $30,930 for the LX. Thanks to 18-inch alloys, the LX no longer appears woefully cheap, but you can’t have the Magic Slide seats or an eighth seat.

At $34,800, the 2018 Honda Odyssey EX adds heated front seats, a second-row middle perch, second-row sunshades, Magic Slide, Honda Sensing, tri-zone climate control, proximity access, and a bunch of other goodies.

To the EX, the $38,300 EX-L adds leather, a power tailgate, a sunroof, driver’s seat memory, and acoustic glass for the front windscreen while also making DVD, navigation, and CabinTalk available.

The $45,450 Odyssey Touring is an EX-L with standard rear seat entertainment, CabinWatch, front and rear parking sensors, a hands-free power tailgate, HondaVac, LED headlights, third row sunshades, WiFi capability, and the 10-speed automatic (not a nine-speed) of our tester.

Finally, the $47,610 2018 Honda Odyssey Elite provides ventilated front seats, 19-inch wheels, rain sensing wipers, acoustic glass on the side windows, upgraded audio, a wireless phone charger, and a heated steering wheel.

As for that 10-speed automatic, Honda makes no claims whatsoever of improved fuel economy in its EPA testing. We can’t speak to the nine-speed’s shift quality — neither after this week-long test with a 10-speed or based on Chris Tonn’s first drive. Compared with our 2015 Honda Odyssey EX, it is disappointing that this 10-speed Odyssey (admittedly with fewer than 4,000 miles under its belt) averaged 21.4 miles per gallon, not the 23.5 mpg our van achieves on the same road network.

The 2018 Honda Odyssey is America’s new best minivan, conceivably the best family vehicle on sale today. That’s a status we generally expect should be afforded to every newly designed candidate in this category, but it doesn’t make living up to every sort of high expectation a straightforward task.

[Images: © Timothy Cain]

Timothy Cain is a contributing analyst at The Truth About Cars and and the founder and former editor of Follow on Twitter @timcaincars.

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59 Comments on “2018 Honda Odyssey Elite Review – Innovative, Safe, Luxurious, and Powerful Eight-Seater; Yours for $48,000...”

  • avatar

    $50K for a minivan.
    What a country!!

  • avatar

    I agree the Sedona is the best-looking minivan, but only by a hair; it’s rear end is particularly unfinished looking.

    I will say that Honda did a better job with the greenhouse kink this time around.

  • avatar

    Super expensive minivans arent a new thing. A 1996 Chrysler Town and Country LXI(so leather and captains chairs) had an MSRP of $29,420. Calculating for inflation, thats about $47,000. A 1996 base Plymouth Voyager had an MSRP of $16,575. Or about $27,000 factoring inflation, not that far off from a base Pacifica or Odyssey.

  • avatar

    Hilarious, another Cain Honda Odyssey article. Let’s just rename the site TCHOSR : Tim Cain Honda Odyssey Sycophant Review

    • 0 avatar

      Tim definitely has a boner for most things Honda (and even Acura…gasp!).

      C’mon, Tim…just accept your reality-based biases in stride.

      This thing should been called the Honda Syphilis because it’s that ugly.

    • 0 avatar

      Yeah! Stupid car website reviewing a new car. Bias! And choosing someone who owns the previous version? WTF were they thinking? What insight could he possibly offer?

    • 0 avatar

      True, this vehicle is VERY well covered on this site. It’s a little humorous. But I thought this review was actually rather balanced and interesting.

      (I learned to drive in a minivan; maybe that has something to do with it.)

  • avatar

    Still no AWD offered. Which means Sienna will keep winning the Honda vs Toyota decision for families who live where it snows a lot. I know from personal experience. When we bought a mini-van some years back, my wife liked the Odyssey better, but the Sienna won because of AWD. And when it came time to sell said Sienna, it sold in about 12 nano-seconds partly because it has AWD and wives looking for used mini-vans have the same thought process as my wife.

    I don’t get Honda’s thinking on this and never will.

    • 0 avatar
      Kyree S. Williams

      I wonder about an Odyssey hybrid with the same drivetrain as the new MDX Sport Hybrid. That could be interesting…and profitable, especially if, like the MDX, it doesn’t cost much more.

    • 0 avatar

      Honda would gladly sell you an AWD Pilot. That’s probably the reason behind it.

      Why the Chrysler Pacifica doesn’t offer it is a bigger question, since Chrysler did at one point. I doubt its to upsell the Durango or Journey.

      And shame on you for implying people prefer AWD! Don’t you know that any housewife in North America could easily daily drive a HELLCAT equipped with winter tires?

      • 0 avatar

        Odds are, Chrysler crunched the numbers, and figured developing the AWD bits, and the requisite modifications in the unibody (remember, the Stow ‘n Go compartment is one big bin right where a driveshaft would need to go) wouldn’t be worth the marginal sales (as a minor data point, of the current generation Siennas on Auto Trader in my area, about a tenth are AWD, even in a northern city).

  • avatar

    Odyessy LX in Obsidian Blue for ~$30k then throw on some PZero Rosso summer tires.

    • 0 avatar

      I came here to say that. The Odyssey LX is hands down the best value.

      In Canada however LX buyers are punished with only white or black paint, at least they were before. Not sure for the ’18 model.

  • avatar

    Minivans offer some very great utility to those who need or want it. Having been a minivan owner, I will just say that you should buy the one that has the amount of cupholders you need, amount of screens, goodies, cushy chairs you need, the price you need. Buy the one that feels comfortable, that has the most stuff/room, etc you need for your family.

    DONT buy a minivan for its driving dynamics or because someone said it was the driver’s choice. Maybe you will buy it because it has the shortest stopping distance, or the highest safety ratings. But this is a vehicle that need only coddle its occupants, roll down the road safely, turn, stop and go. On paper and and auto reviews, great driving dynamics may sway your opinion, but believe me, in practice, it just doesn’t matter for this class of vehicle. You aren’t going to enjoy driving it, so just remove that from your consideration list.

    I am not anti mini van. Not at all. I am anti claiming that any minivan will somehow be “Fun” to drive. Graciously, Tim avoided staking claim to the “sliding door sports car” moniker that Honda seems to want all the reviewing autojournalists to embrace. I appreciate that Tim, kudos for avoiding proclamations of the second coming, if only just.

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      “Tim avoided staking claim to the “sliding door sports car” moniker”

      It sure looks like he wanted to stake that claim, though. There are what look like 500 words extolling its driving character with unabashed enthusiasm awkwardly mixed with qualifiers about it being just a minivan. It’s a sliding door sports car, but really it’s just a minivan, but ultimately it *is* a sliding door sports car…

    • 0 avatar

      Is there no reason at all to choose a vehicle that drives better than its competitors? Just because its a van doesn’t mean it has to be as bad as other vans. It can be better, and this one gives up nothing to be a better driver. Tim did not say this Honda was such an awesome canyon-carver that he’s trading in the Miata on one. Did he?

      I have a feeling if someone drove a Chevy Express and then drove a Ford Transit, they would probably prefer the Ford because it drives much better. BUT ITS A VAN!!! And? You should just accept the fact that the Express drives pretty much exactly like a Chevy van from 1979, and not buy the van that drives like it was designed this century (lol, because it was)? Why? If something is better for what it is, it deserves mention and consideration.

      Tim didn’t make this out to be a sporty vehicle. Actually, quite the opposite as he made the point that it is NOT a sporty vehicle. That doesn’t mean it can’t drive decently *for what it is*.

      Do you ridicule people who complain about how anything other than a Miata or Corvette drives?

      I bought the Avalon instead of the Charger R/T or the Chevy SS because big sedans are SUPPOSED to be boring, slow and lifeless, and nobody should make one that isn’t!

      • 0 avatar
        30-mile fetch

        When having a giant sobbing fit, it’s important to pause and breathe, John.

        You’re missing the prior context of Tim’s repeated praise of the Odyssey that I and apparently a few others have found a bit hyperbolic. This is an similarly hyperbolic but ultimately light-hearted counterpoint to that view.

        So pause…
        …and breathe…

  • avatar

    TTAO: The Truth About Odysseys. This has to be the most covered vehicle on this site.

  • avatar

    Given all the abuse our minivan suffers, hauling kids/furniture/camping/bikes/junk/firewood etc., there’s no way in hell I’d pay top dollar for one like this. I’d rather they’d go the opposite route and make an even more basic version. Rubber mats covering the floor like my old Ranger had instead of carpeting and so on…

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Denver

      Car pricing never makes any sense but there’s no way I’d pay what they are asking for this vehicle in loaded form. For that price you could almost have two stripper Grand Caravans or Sedonas. In the end a minivan is a big box on wheels. Its weight and center of gravity means it is never truly going to handle despite the Honda hype. If you need it just for passenger hauling, there are better SUVs. Kids carry their own infotainment nowadays (phones or tablets) so any money that you spend on the car system is a total waste on day 1 and in 5 years will be as out of date as your grandma’s VCR. I already own a vacuum cleaner. Maybe there are people for whom money is no object but people with any sense are not going to blow close to $50K on something meant to haul greasy bikes and mulch from Home Depot.

      BTW, how much is your $48K minivan going to be worth in 3 or 4 years with sticky juice box stained carpets and an out of date infotainment system? Even if you are leasing, that depreciation is going to be reflected in the lease payments.

      • 0 avatar

        Knowing it’s a Honda, it 3-4 years it will also have faded paint, an overhauled transmission, and completely shot brakes.

      • 0 avatar

        Why haul all that dirty hardware store stuff on anything but a small utility trailer?

        I barely like putting my kids in our “fancy” car let alone plywood.

      • 0 avatar
        Dave M.

        Conversely let’s say you buy the van when the oldest child is 5 and there are one or two more joining the brood soon after. Based on my brother’s experience, between the infant flotsam and then scouting and sports debris, the 10-year lifespan of their GC was the greatest expenditure value of family-hood. Even after 12 years and the kids start driving themselves he still has a million uses for it, whether transporting to college or running to Home Depot.

        Minivans are wonderful family appliances….nothing wrong with that.

  • avatar

    If that wind whistle is behind your ear, it’s coming from the B pillar, not the A (windshield) pillar

  • avatar

    Just sold a 2008 Sienna and purchased a 2018 EX-L Odyssey.
    My biggest complaint is the van loses some of the cargo van utility.
    – The center console is no longer removable because it has charge ports, HDMI connection, etc.
    – The middle row doesn’t fold flat or lock in the forward position, which makes seat removal impossible without help. Instead of simply whipping out the seats to get plywood, I will have to ask my wife for assistance.

    Otherwise, it drives well and the 9 spd transmission is invisible.

    Regarding AWD, I live in snow-country Minnesota. We have never wished we had an AWD van. Good all-season tires with traction control have gotten us through some nasty situations. The weight of the vehicle also helps with this.

    • 0 avatar

      re: AWD

      Obviously not everyone needs/wants it. But a certain % of people do. And it’s odd to me that Honda is just ceding that market entirely to Toyota.

      Plus MN is flat. Snow on flat roads isn’t that bad. Snow/ice and hills/mountains….a whole other story. I know I could do OK with FWD and good tires, but why just do OK, when I can do much better with AWD/4WD and good tires? Maybe it’s just that I’ve lived in this environment for 20+ years and virtually every car/truck I see is AWD/4WD. Subarus and Audis are like Accords and Camrys around these parts. And the same people who own a ‘Baru or Audi and need a minivan will buy the SIenna.

      Each to their own, of course.

  • avatar

    In a few ways, the new Odyssey is certainly better than the new Pacifica, but it’s not $8000 better. That was the real-world price difference between a new 2018 Odyssey and 2017 Pacifica when we were buying a new van last month. Honda dealers didn’t want to budge on price for the 2018, and Chrysler was putting cash on the hood to move the metal.

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      You can’t put a price on having the Best Driving Minivan EVER. This is the van you lace up your Pilotis for. This is the van you equip with summer tires and fling through the clover leaf because you’re a driver first and foremost and dammit you’re gonna have the one that feels like 2% of that BMW M instead of 1.8% like the Chrysler. This is the van whose stiff structure makes it feel so nimble in the parking lot despite the turning circle being two feet wider than the Sienna’s.

      • 0 avatar

        Tim is suiting up next week, sponsored by Honda, to give it a shot at breaking the Nürburgring minivan record using the Odyssey as his scalpel of choice.

        • 0 avatar
          30-mile fetch

          Crap, the Odyssey’s lifeless on-center steering, poor brakes, and torque steer are going to make that a challenge, but the flat cornering and invisible transmission will mean his family can join him for the ride without noticing his shenanigans.

      • 0 avatar
        Highway Cruiser

        oh, c’mon, certainly, now, after your comment, Odyssey worth additional $8000. Everyone on this site knows, that Chrysler makes hideous minivans with all the recalls and constant issues. How you can even compare a jewel like Odyssey to that garbage?

        • 0 avatar
          Dave M.

          I’ll bet my (limited) life savings on the Honda being more reliable than the Chrysler. Surely the constant recalls coming out of FCA is not inspiring to you….

    • 0 avatar

      My first new vehicle was a Chrysler product. In the first year and a half, it spent over 90 days in the service department, and had to be towed at least a half-dozen times. One of the happiest days of my life was when I got it back from the service department and immediately drove it across the street to trade it for a new Honda.

      I will happily pay $8000 more for a Honda so I don’t have to go through that experience again, and will never buy another Chrysler.

  • avatar

    Car and Driver pulled 0.87 g on the skidpad in their long-term Chrysler Pacifica. You can put a price on that.

    • 0 avatar

      Pacifica? Haha.

      It is common knowledge that Lotus benchmarked the **LAST GEN** Odyessy when developing the Evora 400. Much of the chassis tuning on this newest version was performed by former Sauber engineers.

      Plus the Honda V6 *dynos* at 310hp. C43 and Mustang GT drivers know to not make eye contact when they pull alongside one at a stoplight.

  • avatar
    Shinoda is my middle name

    You started to allude to problems with the shifter, and then either never picked it back up, or that section was edited out. What is, exactly, your quibble with the shifter? What makes it so horrible?

    • 0 avatar
      Timothy Cain

      Should’ve linked to a couple earlier pieces.

  • avatar

    how much?

  • avatar

    “The transmission doesn’t flub a shift”

    Not yet it doesn’t.

  • avatar
    Secret Hi5

    Did Cain accidentally a whole paragraph about the transmission?

  • avatar

    Sure, it’s probably a little nicer than our $18K Town and Country we bought with 29k miles – and I could have probably gotten a bit better deal.. Still not gonna miss $30k worth of “driving feel”.. Even if I paid $2k for the 7-year/75k 100% covered Mopar warranty.

    Our ’08 GC had a couple of issues, but I’ll take ~$3k in repairs over 6 years vs. $12-15k more for a comparable Sienna/Oddyssey.

  • avatar

    seems like quite the gamble to spend $50K on a 2WD minivan with an unproven HONDA transmission.

  • avatar

    Hmm, I am thinking that I could take that $48,000, buy TWO Mazda5s, and put $8,000 in the college fund.* Then I would have TWO better-driving minivans, legitimate 8-passenger seating, 12-passenger seating in a pinch, and increased family mobility.**

    * (If Mazda hadn’t chickened out and left the minivan game.)

    ** (This would allow the two parents to drive in either the same direction, or both directions, as desired. Perhaps even replace a commuter car with one of these miniminivans.)***

    *** (Of course, if a family of 8 actually WANTED to be in the same car, perhaps for long road trips where driver endurance is an issue, having two cars is a disadvantage.)****

    **** (On the other hand, conveying the family by two vehicles would result in enhanced survivability for the family lineage. Surely they won’t ALL die in a fiery crash, leaving someone to carry the genetic torch.) *****

    ***** (Unless the parents crash into each other or the same third party. Better leave some distance between the two cars just in case.)******

    ****** (This is a good excuse to buy walkie-talkies to keep in touch.)+

    + (If cell phones didn’t exist.)

  • avatar

    I like my Kia Sedona LX+ I got brand new for $30k a lot better. This Odyssey would be halfway towards my next van! Rip off!

  • avatar

    If he keeps vans 4 years, I can’t wait for VCM to kick him in the nuts.

  • avatar

    As with most Honda products these days, it sure is ugly. Not that Honda ever did make a truly decent looking vehicle. I work next door to a Honda dealership and see the new models as they come in and I keep waiting to see one that I can say, “Not bad!” to myself when I see it. 17 years and it hasn’t happened yet.

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