By on May 4, 2017

rolling coal

Rolling coal is one of the more contentious forms of automotive customization, primarily because it’s as much associated with vindictive cruelty as it is with having a good time.

In fact, there are probably more videos on YouTube of modified diesel truck owners blasting cyclists, protesters, activists, and EV drivers with sooty smoke than there are not. Over the last few years, rolling coal has become a way for many to showcase their anti-environmentalist and hard-right viewpoints. However, regardless of your politics, being on the receiving end of a diesel truck intentionally running ultra-rich is obnoxious and several states have attempted to ban the practice.

After three failed attempts, Colorado finally managed to pull it off. While earlier attempts fizzled, mainly due to concerns expressed by the Republican-controlled Senate over how regulations might affect the trucking and agriculture industries, a revised bill better addressed those concerns. Now, law enforcement will undergo training to help differentiate between a smoky work truck and those specifically designed to run rich for the purpose of rolling. 

While other states — like Maryland — have tried and failed, the legislation makes Colorado only the second state to enact such a ban. New Jersey outlawed the practice in 2015, crafting a $5,000 citation, after a state assemblyman was blasted with diesel smoke in his Nissan Leaf. According to The Colorado Statesman, the state’s ban won’t be nearly that strict —  just a svelte $100 penalty.

Technically, rolling coal is already a federal crime everywhere. The United States Environmental Protection Agency stated that the practice was illegal in 2014, as it violates the Clean Air Act. That law prohibits the manufacturing, installation, or sale of any part for a motor vehicle that bypasses or defeats an emission control device. Enforcing that law is, however, next to impossible. Focusing specifically on the more obvious act of rolling coal should be somewhat easier to enforce.

Senate Bill 278, sponsored in the House by Democrat JoAnn Ginal and in the Senate by Republican Don Coram, passed a final reading in the House on Tuesday by a margin of 40 to 25. It is now awaiting the governor’s signature.

[Image capture: Stancer/YouTube]

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266 Comments on “Colorado is Smoking Out Coal Rollers; Practice to Be Made Illegal...”


  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Good.

    But my state rep voted against this. Not so good. But not unexpected given that at my kid’s high school, the kids like to pose for prom pictures with assault rifles, with the Confederate flag as a background.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/students-pose-confederate-flag-guns-colorado-prom-article-1.2212003

    I’ll just go way out on a limb and say some of these kids have a brodozer of their very own.

    Two more years until the kid graduates, and I leave the Confederate States of Douglas County forever.

    • 0 avatar
      VW4motion

      +1

    • 0 avatar
      xcalibur255

      The first time I heard the term “brodozer” I laughed until I cried. Mind you I was crying for more than one reason too.

      This is one of those things that, for me anyway, transcends the normal argument about regulation vs. personal freedom. The right to be pointlessly cruel, wasteful, obnoxious and vicious should be utterly beyond defense by any sane and reasonable person. And yet……

      Reminds me of a video I watched somewhere a while back where somebody interviewed people who roll coal asking them why they do it. One of the interviewee’s responses was something like “you wanna breathe clean air Prius man? Well FUCK YOU.”

      The only thing I know how to do is shake my head and keep shaking it.

    • 0 avatar
      CaddyDaddy

      FreedMike. I’m very surprised to hear of your local. I would have expected you to be a denizen of CapHill. Sounds like you are closer to Douglas county. Your poor dear, you must feel so out-of-place.

      BTW, the coal rollers really chap my hide. I place it with fart cans on clapped out Hondas and mufflers sawed off of 302ci Camaros. .

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        I could weave a fab tale about glorious DougCo, but I’ll just say it’s changed a LOT in the 17 years I’ve lived here, and not for the better. If I could afford to live in Denver (or the Cherry Creek district) and my divorce decree didn’t give my (nutjob) ex the right to nix any move out of the area (which she will, just to be a pain), I’d have ditched this county years ago.

    • 0 avatar
      doug-g

      Next I hope the state will address the lighting on these stupid trucks. Where I reside in Colorado they jack the trucks up so high the regular lights don’t illuminate the road so they use their fog lights that hit a car driver right in the eyes. The Western half of Colorado went to Hell in a hand cart when the oil and gas took off, allowing idiots in indulge in any ignorance they could dream up.

      • 0 avatar
        joeaverage

        Could we address the smoked tailight covers? I was caught off guard by a pickup the other day that had jammed on the brakes and in the afternoon light – his lights were nearly invisible.

        I’m all about freedom to do what you want with your vehicle but good safety systems need to be required – decent brakes/tires/lighting.

    • 0 avatar
      87 Morgan

      I kinda like my section of E Douglas county that I reside in, but I understand the annoyances that come along with living here. I would like to live in Steamboat, makes the commute too difficult though.

      As for the coal rollers; this $100 fine should be shooting fish in a barrel around here.

  • avatar
    JimC2

    Inbreeding is illegal in most places too. When they roll up one of these bro trucks rollin’ coal there’s a good chance they could make a case against the driver’s parents for that.

  • avatar
    CarnotCycle

    So a cop is “trained” to interpret vehicle exhaust? What a farce.

    Rolling coal I’m not a fan of per se, but two wrongs don’t make a right.

    • 0 avatar
      Astigmatism

      You think a cop needs training to spot a mobile smokestack?

      • 0 avatar
        CarnotCycle

        It is supposedly illegal to be rolling these brodozers around without mudflaps in most jurisdictions. And maybe 10% of those trucks out there have mudflaps. Making it illegal didn’t solve the problem.

        With no empirical criteria this is just an excuse for cops to pull over any diesel-powered thing at any time to ‘check’ or whatever the exhaust.

        I do see aftermarket mixture control making some money. Instant Industrial Revolution on/off. If cop catches someone in act of making giant black cloud, it is already illegal several ways at cop’s discretion when he writes the ticket…whether this law is on books or not.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          I fail to see how this is any different than, say, a cop pulling someone over for other vehicle defects, like burned out headlights, non working turn signals, etc.

          Pulling someone over isn’t a conviction. The truck owner is entitled to his day in court.

        • 0 avatar
          skor

          Making murder illegal doesn’t mean zero murders. Why have any laws at all?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            ‘Cause FREEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMM

            (Unless, of course, the FREEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMM in question is something like two guys named Jim being free to get married, or being able to go to the hospital without having to declare Chapter 11 bankruptcy, all of which is not FREEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMM at all, but rather liberal nonsense only special little snowflakes think is important.)

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al From 'Murica

            @freedmike and Jim’s right to have his lawfully obtained concealed carry permit honored in all 50 states so he can carry his lawfully purchased firearm in accordance with his second Amendment rights just like his lawfully obtained marriage license. Yeah…the left does that too. Not endorsing it on either side, but that is like the 4th time I’ve seen you post that and wanted to point that little nugget out.

      • 0 avatar
        ttacgreg

        True dat!
        I have seen two ‘rollers in action, and it is just plain obvious.
        One was a temporary visitor here in my tourist are in Colorado. I witnessed him rush up to three red lights, and when the light turned green he produced opaque black clouds in traffic,pretty much like the one pictured above. The behavior of other vehicles indicated it was setting off confusion and anger as well as avoidance responses from other drivers.
        The other instance was in rural southern Colorado. Driving my what was at the time quite rare 2016 Prius (well, they are still rare around here a year later) an oncoming black Dodge Ram suddenly changed exhaust sound just as we passed by each other. Looking in the rearview mirror, well, I could not see the truck for the black smoke. Do ya think he was showing a new Prius some good ol’ real American values? I dd not know they could do that at highway speed.
        No cop training needed, coal rolling is blatantly obvious, which is the whole point.

        • 0 avatar
          joeaverage

          Practice reaching for the recirc switch…

          Listened to a coworker the other day brag about doing that to a load of people in a convertible. This is the same coworker who thinks his rights are being trampled by liberals on a number of topics. Who lectures people about his Christians values. And that Obama was coming for his guns and restricting ammo sales. Except we can see in hindsight than Obama wasn’t….

          Tell me that the people in the convertible wouldn’t look like coal miners after exposure to that much soot.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      License, registration, and CO2 permit please, citizen.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      It’s not all that difficult to figure out. Not many work trucks are festooned with things like Confederate flags, or smokestacks. Besides, Joe the Plumber or Fred the Carpenter aren’t going to spend the time and money it takes to convert a work truck into a troll-mobile. It isn’t worth it.

      It ain’t rocket science.

      (And for the record, I’d say the same law should apply to poorly maintained cars that spew smoke as well.)

      • 0 avatar
        CarnotCycle

        “It ain’t rocket science.”

        But mixture control between fuel and oxidizer is rocket science!

        “(And for the record, I’d say the same law should apply to poorly maintained cars that spew smoke as well.)”

        Isn’t smog-check/emissions tests already supposed to have fixed this? It brings up interesting point that virtually every coal roller out there has passed an emissions inspection if its legally registered. So if the whole emissions industry has failed to stop this trend developing, how did this even happen and what good is emissions tests beyond rent seeking and fees?

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          “It brings up interesting point that virtually every coal roller out there has passed an emissions inspection if its legally registered.”

          Plenty of cars get registered, and then something goes wrong thereafter. When that happens, you get it fixed. If you don’t, then you’re cop-bait. Same thing here.

        • 0 avatar
          mikedt

          coal rolling is an add on, so pretty much like a VW Diesel you can turn it off during a state mandated emissions test.

        • 0 avatar
          Hank

          A long list of states do not do emissions tests after the vehicle lanes the factory/sales lot. 26 no longer even require annual inspections of any kind.

      • 0 avatar
        thegamper

        It would seem that there are laws on the books already to address situations such as this. As stated in article, EPA rules. Also, would probably qualify for repair ticket. Remove the device, return to emissions compliance or get penalty. Not to mention that if a police officer sees someone doing this, it would probably constitute assault. If someone threw a smoke bomb at your feet, I could see an arrest coming, why should it be any different for some A$$hat in a truck blowing smoke all over a cyclist.

        As much as I support such a ban, the law is probably unnecessary, enforcement is the issue. So now we will be training officers to spot vehicles which have tampered with emissions controls? Just seems like a waste of resources.

        I am still waiting for my local police departments to enforce decibel ordinances/laws for motorcycles. Maybe this is the slippery slope to a police state that we need to get on track to that end.

        • 0 avatar
          ttacgreg

          Ugh, thanks for reminding me that we are on the threshold of the slow motor homes and deafening motorcycle season. Why a motorcycle can get away with decibel levels that would get any other vehicle pulled over confounds me.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      it’s not a “farce.” There are plenty of older semis/tractors out there which will emit visible smoke when heavily loaded. I’d wager the “training” is little more than “heavy trucks might smoke, don’t hassle them. An F-250 has no business billowing clouds of soot, so go after them.”

  • avatar
    Astigmatism

    Rolling coal benefits nobody; it costs people money for the privilege of pissing off other people more. It is the purest, best example of how the fossil fuel industry has successfully managed to turn the rejection of basic science into a matter of conservative identity politics. Good riddance.

    • 0 avatar
      VW4motion

      Rolling coal bros is proof that it is so easy to manipulate the uneducated in the United States. Bumper stuck should say I drank to much right wing Kool-aid.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        “Bumper stuck should say I drank to much right wing Kool-aid.”

        Or “Lung Cancer. ‘MURICA!!!”

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Or “Lung Cancer. ‘MURICA!!!”

          The irony.

          Rollin’ coal justified as a universal freedom of expression but the same one’s don’t believe in universal access to health care to treat the damage done.

      • 0 avatar
        Flipper35

        It isn’t a right wing thing. I am a conservative, gun toting, bible thumping upper midwesterner and I wish our state would pass a law to levy a $5k or more fine per violation. I know many other of my ilk that think the same.

        I think it is more of the Beavis and Butthead generation and mentality. Here, hold my Red Bull and vodka and watch this! Then they go try to shoot beer cans out of the air with a .338LM with no regard to where that round is going.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      nah, it’s not about any of that. it’s a bunch of 18-25 year old hicks who think it’s a way for them to assert their “dominance” over everyone else. e.g. “I can’t legally p!ss on you, so I’ll do this instead.”

      most people grow out of it not long after high school, but Cody or Dylan or whatever their appropriate names are don’t.

    • 0 avatar
      RobbieAZ

      “It is the purest, best example of how the fossil fuel industry has successfully managed to turn the rejection of basic science into a matter of conservative identity politics.”

      I seriously doubt the ‘fossil fuel industry’ endorses this practice. And attacking conservatives as a whole for the stupid behavior of a few people whose political persuasion is completely unknown to you, is ridiculous.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Given the fact that all the no votes came from conservatives in the statehouse, is Astigmatism’s argument really that unfair?

        http://leg.colorado.gov/content/sb17-278vote55457c

        I don’t know anyone who’s a conservative who would do this. And if you head up to Boulder, you’ll see plenty of smoky old Subarus and VW buses with “Bernie 2016” stickers on them.

        Unfortunately, there’s sometimes a disconnect between individual values and political reality. In my district, there’s no shortage of folks who drive big, smoky diesel pickups. I’m sure they wouldn’t be happy if their elected officials voted to make them grow the f**k up and stop acting like a stupid two-year-old, you know?

        • 0 avatar
          Astigmatism

          How many of those smoky old Subarus and VW buses have been modified to burn more diesel and spew it into the atmosphere just for kicks?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Good question, but on the other hand, how many of them could be fixed so they don’t pollute anymore? Plenty of them. Their owners know that. And given that in Boulder, the ***average*** house is now about $1 million, it isn’t like getting the old Subaru fixed is going to put the family and Dylan, their chocolate lab, out on the street. It means a grand less that they can spend at the local brewpub and the latest organic stuff at Trader Joe’s.

            So, you have the a**hole right wingers who pollute too much to be a**holes, and the hypocritical left wingers who do it too. Either way it’s an issue, particularly in the Denver area, which has a history of excessive pollution.

        • 0 avatar
          RobbieAZ

          “Given the fact that all the no votes came from conservatives in the statehouse, is Astigmatism’s argument really that unfair?”

          Yes, his argument is unfair. Sometimes conservatives vote no on bills such as this simply because the idea of banning things goes against their grain. I realize liberals just love to ban things but there’s usually a better way to correct a problem that doesn’t infringe on the freedoms of the innocent.

          • 0 avatar
            Astigmatism

            Could you please explain what precious freedoms are being infringed by a ban on intentionally modifying an engine to burn more fuel for no functional reason other than to produce more emissions?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Conservatives are big on banning PLENTY of things, Robbie. Let’s get real.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Fascism cuts both ways.

          • 0 avatar
            Astigmatism

            What way does silly hyperbole cut?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “Fascism”. LOL…real fascists would have the coal-rollers shot on sight.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            You think there are not people who would if they could?

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            “Fascism”. LOL…real fascists would have the coal-rollers shot on sight.

            It certainly seems that way from their posts here.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Todd’s a bit sensitive, I see.

            (That’s why we pass laws, Todd…so people don’t have to get up in the face of lawbreaking a-holes. That way, cops can do that for us.)

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Like the laws about loud pipes on motorcycles that don’t apply to Harley Davidsons because cops ride Harleys? I hate to break it to you, but they drive brodozers too.

      • 0 avatar
        e30gator

        True. Not all conservatives are okay with rolling coal. But on the same token, most who do roll coal are conservatives. I’d say Astigmatism has a pretty sound argument here.

        • 0 avatar
          RobbieAZ

          And exactly how do you know that?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Well, the usual array of Tea Party / anti-Hillary / anti-Obama / pro-gun / Trump stickers are usually a giveaway, Robbie. And they’re entitled to put as many stickers as they want on their trucks. It’s their property – if they want to make a political statement with it, then more power to them. Just make it legally, without making a public nuisance of themselves, and there’s no problem.

            But I don’t hold that against *real* conservatives. Why? Because *real* conservatives would agree with me that if these guys want to protest things using their pickup trucks, they shouldn’t break the law and make public nuisances of themselves to do it. Anyone with a lick of common sense feels the same way.

            It’s the “conservatives” who try to actually defend these morons and make it into a left / right issue who I have a problem with.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            The classical conservatives I know tend not to drive big showoffy trucks at all, but either (consistent with a frugal nature) things like Priuses and ten-year-old Corollas, or (consistent with the exurban and rural territory where many of them live) reasonable trucks and SUVs that can tow trailers and handle off-pavement driving.

            The ones driving big showoffy trucks tend to be reactionary radicals.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al From 'Murica

            Whoa there Mike…I am a conservative and I think this practice is moronic. My question is are there already laws on the books that make this illegal. I’m betting yes and if so it should be easy to issue a fix it ticket should you see a massive cloud of smoke. Have them show they corrected it and handle accordingly. Should they “unfix” it then I have no issue with a more punitive fine. If there wasn’t already a law then passing this is fine. If there was though this is just feel good legislation that won’t get enforced either.

            Also, as has been pointed out coal rollers are the minority with respect to the vehicles I see smoking. I live in South Georgia and I’ve seen maybe 2 (though one was I’m pretty sure a badly leaking injector given the state of the truck). And that is just it. We have pollution standards. Violations should be handled in the same manner regardless of weather the offending vehicle is a RAM plastered with MAGA and Dont Tread on Me stickers or an old VW Synchro smoking in the whole foods parking lot, which I have seen as often as a coal rolling pickup.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            “My question is are there already laws on the books that make this illegal. I’m betting yes and if so it should be easy to issue a fix it ticket should you see a massive cloud of smoke.”

            yes, there are already laws on the books which make this illegal, but they’re never enforced. Why? because police officers are treated as revenue generators by city/county governments, and “fix it” tickets can be waived by showing up at the police station within a certain number of days and demonstrating that you’ve “fixed” the problem.

            New laws get passed when the existing laws don’t work, you reactionary fossil.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al From 'Murica

            So what Jim makes this law more likely to work? Honestly it is just a small fine anyway so the roller is likely to pay it and continue on. This seems to happen in more rural areas predominately where interaction with a cop is even less likely. So what does this law accomplish then? Do the penalties get steeper for successive tickets. You mention revenue and I can’t help think this is what the law is all about. Otherwise jail time would be involved.

            Again, I despise this practice…but if we are going to pass a law we should try to make it meaningful.

            And stop with the “conservatives this and conservatives that”. Yes, they probably voted Trump. That doesn’t mean all or even a majority of us endorse this. I’d be willing to wager these dolts aren’t intelligent enough to explain what a conservative ideology is with respect to limited government, etc. This is the equivalent of saying “liberals just want to burn down cities when elections don’t go their way” because, you know, I saw a couple doing that, incidentally way more than I have seen “rolling coal”. The vast majority of smoking trucks I’ve seen were TBI Chevies in need of valve stem seals.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Big Al, that’s a common sense response and I appreciate it. And I don’t know any conservative who is a big enough jerk to do something like roll coal. I doubt the folks who do it are even smart enough to understand a political ideology at all. I just come to the common sense conclusion that they’re a-holes, and yeah, there are plenty of those who call themselves liberals too.

            But here in Colorado, where the law was passed, clearly the “laws on the books” weren’t cutting it. Therefore, a tougher law was passed. That’s common sense too.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al From 'Murica

            Mike I will agree. If this is an issue and the old laws werent cutting it then sure, modify to achieve the desired effect. I just don’t see this as a big deal where I live but if it is a problem up there, by all means have at it. That is what local government is all about. I am just not optimistic this law will have much more of an effect. I would be really curious about the enforcement stats in a year or so. Dont misconstrue that…It is an obnoxious practice and I hope the law has the desired effect.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al From 'Murica

            And Jim, why are you attacking me over the law not being enforced? If the law is ineffective (punishment not harsh enough to deter offense, too much grey area to make enforcement possible, etc) then yes, your point is valid.

            But you say there are laws that just aren’t enforced. This would seem to be an issue for your law enforcement. Are the Local Sheriffs elected in this area? If they aren’t doing their jobs then can them. Sucks when law enforcement agencies that your tax dollars pay for don’t enforce laws that are important to you, doesn’t it?

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            “there are laws that just aren’t enforced”

            Because law enforcement is always selective, like government handouts, bailouts and nationalization.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al From 'Murica

          e30 That sounds an awful lot like “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims”. Is that sort of stereotyping in on the left now?

      • 0 avatar
        ttacgreg

        I spotted a sticker posted on a lift tower at one of my local ski areas recently that really did manage to strip a few of my mental gears. The sticker poster no doubt would love to know this fact.
        It had three words stacked vertically.

        Coal
        Guns
        Freedom

        Idiocy runs rampant these days.

        • 0 avatar
          Testacles Megalos

          So what we really need is a Consistency Law. A belief in freedom to do whateverthehell you want by definition must cut both ways. Legalize the use of guns for the shooting of coalrolling drivers and the problem would stop. There might be an interim period of bloodshed, but things would straighten out and get peaceable pretty quick.

  • avatar
    Jagboi

    Shouldn’t be that difficult to craft a law that says the vehicle needs to meet the emission standards it was built to. Trucks don’t roll coal when the emission systems are working as they should.

  • avatar
    DJM

    I don’t understand these people. I’ve seen it done to cyclists and pedestrians, and I’ve had one in front while I was on my motorcycle doing it to me. Antisocial, low-intellect I dunno.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      “I’m an insecure 19 year old wannabe alpha male and since I can’t p!ss on you to assert my dominance I’ll roll coal in your face instead!”

    • 0 avatar
      brandloyalty

      I’ve had it done to me while cycling. Too bad they got their timing wrong and smoked out their buddies driving behind them. I just stopped short of the cloud and waited until blew away. Takes a special kind of stupid… Their trucks should be impounded on top of a fine, points and license suspension.

      As immature adolescents do, they are challenging authority looking for guidance by the adults in charge. So oblige them.

      • 0 avatar
        tedward

        That’s the solution. Confront don’t complain. Just be mindful of how many young males are in the truck when you do.

        I’ve been rolled once, while in my e30, in Maryland with a friend. We chased down the truck and I had a go at dragging out the driver. It’s probably the first time that trucks suspension lift did anything useful because I couldn’t get a good grip even at 6’2″+.

        Seriously though, it’s a stupid teenager stunt and I don’t think I’d overreact like that if it happened to me again (I was pissed that they might have stained my precious car). I remember being a dumba$$ at that age and causing way more harm than coal rollers ever could. The look on the guys face made me think afterwards about how I want adults to eventually treat my (inevitably) dumba$$ boys when they grow up.

        That jersey story is crazy though. It’s a sick, sick thing that a personally offended legislator can push through such draconian penalties on what is a petty annoyance.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          You’re lucky you didn’t get shot, tedward.

          • 0 avatar
            rpn453

            Yeah, better to just follow at a distance and find out where they park it.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            rpn453, you gotta be real careful with that.

            People have cellphones these days and you may find yourself intercepted (at a distance) by cops and charged with stalking.

            It’s happened.

          • 0 avatar
            golden2husky

            That’s why a quart of DOT 3 Liquid Justice spilled all over his truck would be a better answer. Keep it in a wide mouth jar for rapid deployment. It’s silent, highly effective at ruining the paint, and very very satisfying.

    • 0 avatar
      ttacgreg

      Not to mention potentially unsafe.

  • avatar
    30-mile fetch

    It’s not the Rodrigo Duterte Hormonal Man-Child Elimination Act that is more fitting of this behavior, but it’s a start.

    I expect tickets to be in the single digits statewide after a year–this isn’t that common and doesn’t last that long, so the odds of a police officer witnessing it and then choosing to enforce it seem rather low to me.

  • avatar
    RobbieAZ

    I’ve never heard of this or seen an instance of what I suspected to be intentional ‘rolling coal’ in the Phoenix area. Even as someone who always jokes about going out littering on Earth Day just to irritate the environmentalists (I don’t), this would piss me off.

    • 0 avatar
      silentsod

      I’ve had it done in front of me both on the highway and city streets; it makes for dangerous driving conditions because your visibility drops to where you should only be travelling 20-25MPH tops..

  • avatar
    sutherland555

    I’ve never seen rolling coal in person thank goodness. The emissions test program here in Ontario Canada simply wouldn’t allow it. Cops also have the right to stop your vehicle if they think your vehicle is emitting excessive exhaust smoke and/or emission control equipment has been tampered with or removed.

    There are many things people do their cars that I don’t understand and this (and ridiculous stancing) sit right up at the top of the list.

    • 0 avatar
      Jagboi

      Go to Northern Alberta or BC outside of the lower Mainland and you’ll see it. No emission testing in Alberta, or outside the lower mainland in BC. Of course, lots more trucks there than in Southern Ontario too.

      • 0 avatar
        brandloyalty

        Vancouver Island also.

      • 0 avatar
        sutherland555

        Folks really complain about the cost of emissions testing here but I’m personally quite OK with it. It think it’s certainly helped improve the air quality in southern Ontario since it was introduced. Also, as car emissions have gotten more better over the last 20 years, they’ve relaxed how often and how old the vehicle must be for testing.

    • 0 avatar
      rpn453

      “The emissions test program here in Ontario Canada simply wouldn’t allow it.”

      It doesn’t allow you to unplug a programmer and then plug it back in after the test?

      • 0 avatar
        sutherland555

        Yes, you’re correct that someone could get around it via the method you have suggested. In my anecdotal observations (about 400km per week), visible tailpipe emissions are extremely rare so I would venture such cheating is a tiny number of cars.

  • avatar
    Jean-Pierre Sarti

    forget monetary fines, the penalty should be some form of forcing them to breath that crap they make.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      $100 ticket and a bullet in the engine block from the officer’s service rifle.

      • 0 avatar
        operagost

        I see absolutely no problem with allowing police officers to execute summary judgement! Works quite well on those black hooligans.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Judge Dredd is clearly the answer.

        • 0 avatar
          JimZ

          an engine block is not a person.

          funny how you and 28-Cars-Later are all “Law and Order” until we’re talking about something you care about.

          you two are exactly the kind of people who will loudly spout “drug users should be locked up and the key thrown away” until your kid gets pinched for a drug offense, then you’ll move heaven and earth to get them out of it.

          hypocrites, the lot of you.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Destroying someone else’s property because you don’t like them or how they use it is just a tad fascist.

            You have no idea what I believe about the drug issues in this country. Since you occasionally say something intelligent, I will go out on a limb and think you could watch this lecture and comprehend the ideas presented by CAF:

            https://youtu.be/w0mimIp8mr8?t=107

            I tend to believe her, she may not be 100% on the mark but she’s close and given her background (Former Investment Banker, Asst Secy of HUD, Bush Administration) she is credible. This is what is happening, and there is nothing we can really do about it short of another successful revolution. I do not see a genuine revolution happening because they will use everything in the DoD arsenal to prevent this.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Actually, I’m going with pinning their eyes open, “Clockwork Orange” style, and making them watch Rachel Maddow for 48 hours straight.

      (Come to think of it, making ANYONE watch ANY talking head show for 48 hours straight is Webster’s definition of “cruel and unusual”…)

      • 0 avatar
        JimZ

        a fate worse than death

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          I’ve recently become a fan of CBSN, the streaming service from CBS News. It’s like Headline News used to be – straight news and intelligent commentary, versus the four-screen “talking heads screaming at each other” BS you find on the cable networks.

          Check it out sometime. As 24 hour news goes, it’s not bad.

          I’ve gotten to the point where I can’t handle the 24-hour “Trump sucks” news cycle on CNN. It’s just a waste of time.

          • 0 avatar
            tedward

            Yes a million times. Every written headline on a partisan website counts as well, let’s not let them off the hook just because the major cable networks are so awful. I have a really hard time nowadays even just glancing at the sites because of how stilted and outrage focused they are. I do visit just too keep my finger on the pulse or whatever but that may stop soon.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Outrage sells, tedward.

          • 0 avatar
            golden2husky

            Rachel Maddow is the only reason to tune it to MSNBC. I discovered her when home sick. She is awesome. The rest of MSNBC, no.

          • 0 avatar
            joeaverage

            I’ll second the CBSN service.

      • 0 avatar
        brandloyalty

        Yes, Maddow. Now the #1 cable news program. For good reason. If you’re not watching MSNBC in the evening, you don’t know what’s going on in US politics.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Sorry, this liberal ain’t patronizing Maddow, or any other talking head show. Far as I’m concerned, they’re all a waste of time. People need to actually read the news and figure it out for themselves, versus letting a Maddow/O’Reilly/Trevor Noah type do it for them (though Noah IS funny as hell, I must say).

          If we wonder why “democracy is broken,” then I’d say look no further than your TV for one good reason.

          Just sayin’.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            FreedMike +1. Cable news is a cancer on society and that includes liberal cable news.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            It wasn’t always a negative – I have no problem with the 24 hour news cycle per se. The problem is that nowadays, it’s 24 hour *infotainment*, and the *info* part usually is about as informing as the trash talk before a WWF match.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            TV news as a medium is fundamentally incapable of presenting enough information for people to be informed. The segments are too short and of necessity the viewpoints presented have to be absurdly simplistic.

          • 0 avatar
            CarnotCycle

            If Republican is in power, FOX worse than MSNBC. If Democrat is in power, MSNBC worse than FOX. Only thing worse than talking head screaming is talking head hauling water for their respective brand of the regime.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Good point, although attention spans may have been conditioned to also be shorter as a result of this format.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Actually, dal, I’d say TV is extremely well suited as a news-dissemination medium. Always has been, and before the advent of the Internet, it was the best way to get breaking news. The problem is that some kinds of news programs that “sell” to a large audience do nothing but divide people emotionally and politically.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            TV is OK at disseminating simple factual nuggets of breaking news (“the House voted to pass AHCA”). It’s physically incapable of providing any useful context to those facts (“this is what AHCA does”). And you have to know at least some context to be well-informed.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            TV *can* be effective at context if it’s done right. But that kind of programming doesn’t sell.

            TV with six heads screaming at each other simultaneously, or some pompous host ranting, does sell.

          • 0 avatar
            brandloyalty

            Freedmike, MSNBC does not feature groups of people all shouting at each other at the same time. CNN and FOX do. CNN and FOX also allow right wing/Republicans to get away with lying and changing the subject.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Somehow the boy named Rachel didn’t grow up quick or grow up mean. His fists didn’t get hard, and his wits didn’t get keen. He just wound up shrill, angry and deranged.

          • 0 avatar
            Salzigtal

            Journalism 101 agrees: Count the number of words uttered in a 30 min. TV newscast. Count the number of words in the left hand column of a newspaper front page. Compare. (usually TV = 2/3 of a column). Extra credit: How many pages can you read in 30 min.

    • 0 avatar
      Loser

      Exactly!

      • 0 avatar
        285exp

        MSNBC doesn’t have groups of people shouting at each other because they all believe the same things.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          There are better places to get your news than the Fake News Media. All it takes is an Internet connection and/or a TV subscription like Dishnetwork’s America’s Top 250 Channels.

          The Fake News Media all have their own agenda.

          Among THE BEST IMO are BBC-America, DW, Bloomberg Asia/MidEast/Europe, Judy Woodruff’s PBS News, CNBC and NBR.

          They give you news that actually matters. Tell it like it is, warts and all, because…….the business world depends on the unvarnished reality, good, bad, and impactful.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    After we bring back coal to make America great again, we’re bring back the VHS player, Blockbuster video, and rotary telephones.

    ‘merica

    • 0 avatar
      ttacgreg

      There are people out there who are way ahead of you on regression politics. There are those who would roll back to pre-enlightenment days. No science, Feudalism, Kings, Lords and Serfs, and the Church. Them were the good ol’ days!!!!

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “No science, Feudalism, Kings, Lords and Serfs, and the Church. Them were the good ol’ days!!!!”

        That sounds like the White House and most of Congress………today.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      There’s an app to give your smartphone a rotary dial, a small strange subculture that puts new movies onto videotapes (or at the very least, makes authentic-looking sleeves and tape labels), and at least one Blockbuster is still kicking in Alaska.

      • 0 avatar
        -Nate

        Wait, what ? .

        Was I supposed to turn in my rotary dial telephones ? .

        One of my three old Mercedes Diesels smokes enough that I can see it in my rear view mirror, it drives me bonkers and I hate it.

        -Nate

  • avatar
    bikegoesbaa

    Great, can we also start enforcing bumper height regulations too?

  • avatar
    Hooligans

    While there is a difference between a smoking work truck and intentional “coal rolling”, there is also a difference between diesel smoke as a by-product of an enthusiast’s well thought out performance modifications vs. a wannabe that figures out how to overfuel a stock engine and then adjusts his passenger side mirror to see the tailpipe spew the fruits of his labor.

    Hopefully any attempt to enforce such a law will focus on behavior. That sure leaves alot to the cops to figure out. Might as well just have a law against being a disprespectful idiot.

    • 0 avatar
      bikegoesbaa

      My guess is they have zero sympathy if the smoke is a “by-product of an enthusiast’s well thought out performance modifications” if those modifications are not compliant with emissions regs.

      Also, I’d submit that belching smoke is a good indicator that the mods aren’t too well thought-out.

    • 0 avatar
      turbo_awd

      there is also a difference between diesel smoke as a by-product of an enthusiast’s well thought out performance modifications vs. a wannabe that figures out how to overfuel a stock engine and then adjusts his passenger side mirror to see the tailpipe spew the fruits of his labor.

      True. To a point. If your “performance mods” result in the same output of exhaust as rolling coal, then they SHOULD also be penalized to the full extent of the law. If they don’t, just a little puff of smoke now and again, they shouldn’t. Although, you, of course, will have to live with the fact that you increased the cancer risk of people in your area..

  • avatar
    skor

    Good. I hope the police actually take the time to summons the brodozer drivers. I’d also like to see them summons the Harley owners riding bikes with ear-splitting exhausts, and the rap-blasters operating vehicles where 90% of the engine’s output goes into powering sub-woofers.

    • 0 avatar
      Astigmatism

      Change America can believe in.

    • 0 avatar
      RobbieAZ

      Moderately loud exhaust on a bike serves a legitimate safety purpose. Ear-splitting is probably overkill though.

      However, the pilots of ridiculously loud small planes that relentlessly do circles around a neighborhood should be heavily fined.

      • 0 avatar
        Salzigtal

        Especially if they’re using 100LL, 100/130 (HI & UT) or 115/145.

      • 0 avatar
        joeaverage

        Ah but they are practicing their landings and take offs…

        -eyes rolling-

        Make them fly from small airport to airport and practice landings and takeoffs. I have family near one of those little airports. Same planes circling endlessly and doing the up and down thing. Gets OLD.

        If you have a plane – take a day long joy ride dang it!

        • 0 avatar
          -Nate

          ” Touch & Go ” practice is a very important safety thing ~ you don’t want that clapped out Cessna 150 landing in your yard nor on your roof due to lack of practice .
          .
          I always get a laugh out of people who move near an airport and then complain endlessly .

          Like the white dipshits who moved into my Ghetto and never stop whining about all “those scary _Black_ people ! ” .
          .
          -Nate

  • avatar
    dal20402

    PM2.5 is nasty stuff. It more or less stays in your lungs forever. Coal rollers are hurting the health of their victims in an immediate and concrete way. “MUH RIGHTS” don’t extend that far.

    It’s not hard to tell the difference between an older pre-emissions truck that’s just making a bit of smoke and these guys. Impound the trucks on the spot, release the trucks only to an emissions shop, and charge a fine that means business.

    • 0 avatar
      Matt Posky

      There are also dozens of videos of rollers and friends putting their faces directly in front of the exhaust port and coming away absolutely covered in soot.

      • 0 avatar
        JimC2

        The Little Rascals!

      • 0 avatar
        JimZ

        they can do that if they want. they can’t force me to do it.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        The irony, of course, is that these folks are usually of the “Freedom ‘N Whiskey” school of thought – the folks who go ballistic when they have to “pay for someone else’s irresponsibility.”

        But they won’t think twice about giving themselves lung cancer, and guess who pays for that piece of irresponsibility? I do – their care ends up treated from MY insurance premiums.

        Just stupid, no matter how you slice it.

      • 0 avatar
        ttacgreg

        LOL I hope they inhaled deeply.
        And now my devious mind wonders what they do in their bedrooms . . . .

  • avatar
    tylanner

    You are free to be an idiot in your own home but you really shouldn’t be allowed to liberate your idiocy all over everyone else. Our sacred Freedoms are being utilized in very interesting ways…Common sense should never take a back-seat to Liberty.

  • avatar
    dukeisduke

    Here in the DFW area, I’ve seen this maybe five times, and not in a while. I think it’s a fad that’s dying out.

  • avatar
    George B

    I’ve seen a large number of customized diesel heavy-duty pickup trucks in the Dallas area, but I’ve never seen one rolling coal. The common modifications around here are lifted suspension, large wheels, and louder aftermarket exhaust. The diesel pickup trucks that get customized tend to be relatively new ones that don’t put out much in the way of visible particulates even under acceleration.

    • 0 avatar
      dukeisduke

      The few that I’ve seen rolling coal around Dallas were older, ratty brodozers, and usually Dodges. I’ve seen maybe three or four doing it, and that’s over a few years. It’s a fad, and like every other fad, will die out eventually.

  • avatar
    e30gator

    It would be great if we did this in Florida, but our republican-led state senate has a habit of taking a good idea and ruining it, not that it would ever make it that far down here to begin with.

    http://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2017/05/03/florida-house-passes-medical-marijuana-bill-that-bans-smoking

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    This is interesting:

    “Rolling coal is a form of conspicuous air pollution, for entertainment or for protest.[3]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal

    So can someone argue First Amendment because their coal rolling is a “political statement” or protest? Would certainly be interested to see it attempted.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      The First Amendment doesn’t protect inflicting injury on people. Try punching your least favorite government official “as protest” and see how far a First Amendment defense gets you in the resulting trial for battery.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        What about religious practices such as genital mutilation?

        Apparently there is a case going on right now to this effect:

        http://constitution.com/muslim-female-genital-mutilation-not-protected-1st-amendment-rfra/

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          Correct result in that case, for two reasons:

          1) First Amendment freedoms don’t extend to inflicting injury on others.

          2) The adults are trying to defend a right to mutilate the children based on the adults’ freedom of religion.

          The only circumstance in which I think the First Amendment might protect the practice (which is barbaric) is in the event that an adult consented to have it done to herself.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Thanks for the expert opinion.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            I’m thinking I make a First Amendment statement of my own, and equip my next car with a nuclear fission reactor… ’cause nuclear is the future, kids. What’s a few hundred rads of exposure between friends?

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Thorium might be a better statement, if you went BWR your statement is… Fukushima.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            And we wonder why Godzilla keeps showing up in Tokyo.

          • 0 avatar
            ttacgreg

            We do this to us men when we are just hours old and few people care. Lots of double standards out there.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            Courts can overrule parents when it comes to transfusions.

            ttacgreg – true. More and more doctor’s are refusing to do circ’s.

      • 0 avatar
        30-mile fetch

        This. Unlike a written or stated opinion, the exhaust smoke contains a physical substance known to harm human health. A Prius driver spraying Mace toward a lifted pickup out of protest isn’t protected free speech either.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      No, because the First Amendment has never been held to protect harmful speech (e.g. defamation.)

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      So…they want to break the law to make a political statement? OK, let’s run with that.

      It’s not like they were breaking some law that was unconstitutional or immoral to begin with. And it’s not like they couldn’t just spray paint “environmentalism sucks” on the side of their pickups. Coal rollers are just being jerks, and they’re putting illegal pollutants in my lungs to do it.

      So, in my expert legal opinion…they should plead their First Amendment case to the judge. At their trial. Best of luck with that, fellas.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Yeah, I see it as a form of protest.

      Protest against the unceasing stream of limitations placed on Americans by the Uber Leftie-Libby greenweenies and tree-huggers, by way of EPA mandates and DOT requirements.

      That’s why we have squirrel engines in cars and trucks these days.

      I don’t own any small diesel engines, but I am a proponent for more and bigger gas V8s in cars and trucks. Those have all but disappeared, with very few exceptions.

      When I was a kid, Straight-through Fiberglass Mufflers were the in-thing. Everybody put them on their exhaust systems. They were very loud, in a good sort of way. Kinda like a Harley under full throttle with wide-open pipes. IOW, LOUD!

      Then came noise-abatement ordinances.

      The way we got around that was with a manual exhaust diverter from under the car muffler to the loud sidepipes.

      It was Rumble&Roar On-Demand! Especially when drag-racing on street and strip.

      They could do the same for rolling coal by placing enriching-injectors on top of the intake throat and manually activating a stream of diesel vapor into the intake throat for the rolling coal effect the way that nitro-boosters inject a blast of nitrous-oxide into an engine-intake for power.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        So how much lung cancer are you willing to give people to enable this brain-dead form of “protest?”

        If you want to protest EPA and DOT requirements, go recruit people to visit the headquarters of those agencies in DC and hold signs. EPA headquarters is along the Mall in a very picturesque location. DOT headquarters is on the other side of the Mall. Super pretty at this time of year, and you’ll have a good time. (But don’t think too much about the fact that EPA regulations are why the air around you and the Potomac half a mile away are both so pristine.)

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          I don’t own any diesels. Even sold off my Kubota and WackerG70 diesel AC generators.

          But for many across the US, rolling coal is a form of protest, just like a demolition derby, or weed&trash burning in the open, or the dumping of used motor oil to kill weeds and crabgrass, or the growing of marijuana in the National Forests.

          We’re only talking Colorado here. Rolling Coal continues in other places across the US.

      • 0 avatar
        Charliej

        HDC, injecting diesel fuel into the intake throat will result in the fuel burning early, destroying the engine. Diesel fuel has to be injected at the right point on the compression stroke for the engine to run. Too early and the pistons will have their crowns melted. Too late and the engine has no power. Injection timing on a diesel is just as critical as the ignition timing on a gas engine.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          Charliej, you’re right that too much fuel at the wrong time can cause damage to a diesel.

          I had a Cadillac Diesel in the early eighties after I got back from Germany, and it leaked diesel fuel inside the engine, like a sieve.

          The result was dense black smoke. All the time, but more under heavy acceleration.

          I understand the workings of a diesel engine, I owned a Mercedes 220D Euro-spec while in Germany for eight years.

          Diesel seemed to be the right thing to do when I came back from Germany. But now, in retrospect I wonder, “What was I thinking?”

        • 0 avatar
          joeaverage

          Shhh! Let him wreck his engine. Then we don’t have to breathe his pollution…

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @HDC-
        “Protest against the unceasing stream of limitations placed on Americans by the Uber Leftie-Libby greenweenies and tree-huggers, by way of EPA mandates and DOT requirements”

        As opposed to right wing extremist nut jobs who are now pushing through rumpcare where spousal abuse and rape can be considered an excluded “pre-existing condition”.

        You said this:
        “We each have to live by the beliefs and tenets that best personify us.”

        No!

        You do.

        And it shows time and time again in your posts and who you support.

        Me, I believe we have to live by beliefs and tenets that personify what is the best in us and in humanity.

        In Matthew 7:12: Jesus said, “Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them,” adding, “for this is the Law and the Prophets.”

        I’m constantly amazed by the fact that self-proclaimed Christians don’t follow what Christ said.

        The moral majority.

        Alex, I’ll take oxymoron’s for a trillion please.

        No wonder why this bunch hates ISIS. They don’t want another right wing group muscling in on the misery that they want to dole out.

        • 0 avatar
          JimC2

          “Alex, I’ll take oxymoron’s for a trillion please.”

          Bzzzt! You used an apostrophe where one did not belong. Your self righteous political tangent is invalid.

        • 0 avatar
          ToddAtlasF1

          “The moral majority.

          Alex, I’ll take oxymoron’s for a trillion please.”

          Do you mean the way feeble minded cowards get pounded into line on AGW ideology?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Wee Todd did –
            “Do you mean the way feeble minded cowards get pounded into line on AGW ideology?”

            Logic and critical thinking is the antithesis of your thought patterns.

            I can present factual data but that has been proven to cause further entrenchment of types like yourself.

        • 0 avatar
          Salzigtal

          For example: Exodus 21:7 “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.”

          Exodus 21:17 “Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of his father or mother must be put to death.”

          Leviticus 11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

      • 0 avatar
        30-mile fetch

        “Uber Leftie-Libby greenweenies and tree-huggers”

        “That’s why we have squirrel engines in cars and trucks these days.”

        “They were very loud, in a good sort of way.”

        I’m witnessing a senior citizen, who I’ve been taught to respect due to their age and experience, use childish political labels, pretend that a squirrel-engined F150 Ecoboost isn’t faster and more fuel efficient than his own 5.7L V8 pickup, and cheer on vehicle modification that result in nuisance and painful noise levels for everyone around them whether they like it or not.

        This is when I question the wisdom of the elders and come to the conclusion that a lot of people stop progressing at some point in early adulthood and simply move towards ossification and entrenchment.

        I’m guessing if someone walked up to you, sounded an air horn near your ear and covered you in a cloud of noxious smoke against your will, you’d just shrug it off and say “yeah, that’s just a form of protest against the unceasing stream of conservative moralistic duckspeak and social Darwinism forced upon us by the rightwing nutjobs”

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          “I’m guessing if someone walked up to you, sounded an air horn near your ear and covered you in a cloud of noxious smoke against your will, you’d just shrug it off and say “yeah, that’s just a form of protest against the unceasing stream of conservative moralistic duckspeak and social Darwinism forced upon us by the rightwing nutjobs”

          LOL

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          30-mile fetch, I’m not asking you to agree with me. That’s my view, and the view of many others, not all old people.

          A lot of people do not care about fuel efficiency, mpg and Ego-boosted hamsters.

          That magnificent V8 in the Toyota trucks certainly got my attention, and that’s when I put MY money where MY mouth is.

          You’re entitled to your opinion. Opinions are like @ssholes. Everybody’s got at least one.

          I’m sure that people like you just love the Ford Egobust. And they must sell them to some people.

          I just don’t know any working contractors or workmen who use them in MY area.

          What they use predominantly in my area are the F150, GM, RAM and Tundra trucks for work trucks, to haul and tow.

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            And everyone thinks their opinion smells like roses, and that they’re clever when they use insulting names for those with whose opinion they don’t agree.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            One of the hazards of running an open forum.

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            What do you believe you are accomplishing by using terms like “Leftie-Libby greenweenies,” “treehuggers,” “Egobust,” “squirrel engines,” or “Ego-boosted hamsters”? Do you believe it is endearing you to anyone? Do you believe it validates your viewpoint?

            Turbocharged engines have been torture-tested and found to be durable. Your anecdotal (and unverifiable) evidence notwithstanding, the majority of F-150s are turbocharged, even many of the ones used for “real truck work” like towing and hauling.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            ” Do you believe it is endearing you to anyone? Do you believe it validates your viewpoint?”

            Why would you think I care, either way?

            Someone’s comments will always p!ss someone off. I learned a long time ago that I cannot please all of the people all of the time.

            If my comments are so offensive, people are free to skip over them.

            “What do you believe you are accomplishing by using terms”

            Those terms were not coined by ME!

            I’ve read those terms on several other boards and I believe those terms reflect how the commenters feel about their adversaries.

            No doubt, you would require some kind of citation.

            LOL!

            And as far as turbo’d trucks go, to each his own. A great many real-world buyers opt for the V8.

            But I can see where wanna be weekend DIY pick-me-uppers want to look good in their F150.

            Such are the differences by region. I live in the Great Southwest. The F150 is the best-seller here too. But I don’t know anyone who is a contractor or worker who shows up on the site with anything other than a V8 in the pickup truck.

            Seriously!

            This is not NYC, or Toronto, where people just want to look macho driving a pickup truck.

          • 0 avatar
            30-mile fetch

            “I’m sure that people like you just love the Ford Egobust.”

            Me? The 4Runner owner for whom the proven 13-year old non-turbo non-DI 4.0 V6 was a selling point?

            This is what I mean by “ossification”. You’re presented with a counterargument to your written view on political labels and the use of exhaust smoke and noise as free speech, but it’s all in one ear and out the other. You’re set in your view. Instead I get a tangential argument fixated entirely on the minor point of turbo vs. NA truck engines.

            Perhaps now you can address the primary point: bathing bystanders in harmful soot and blasting them with noise is bordering on assault. Given their physical effect on unwilling people, do you really believe that coal rolling and loud exhausts are legitimate forms of free speech and protest? And if so, are you OK with being the target or bystander of such protest, especially by someone with political views different from yours?

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            30-mile fetch, protests are what protests are. Look at all the silly protesting going on against Trump these days.

            Those people believe in what they are doing, so do the rolling coal advocates.

            My hat’s off to you for owning a Toyota product.

            As a Toyota fan since 2008, I appreciate Toyota and its products.

          • 0 avatar
            30-mile fetch

            “My hat’s off to you for owning a Toyota product.”

            Common ground is good, thank you. I grew up on Toyota products and learned stick on the old Camry V6 you’re currently rocking.

            But…protests are what protests are? I don’t agree if the protests contain an element that crosses into the physical body. You can make signs, you can chant slogans, you can get in the news, you can write editorials, you can make traffic around the state capitol difficult during your march, but you cannot force me to breathe your soot or scream in my ear. The number of comments on this minor news article demonstrates how elemental that distinction is.

            And I’m more willing to consider an opposing viewpoint if I’m not labelled with some partisan insult. Cheers.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            30-mile fetch, your comment brought to mind an incident of air pollution this morning when I went to Walmart to pick up a jug of their pre-mixed anti-freeze coolant to quench the thirst of my Camry.

            I was walking behind this old lady in pants and bedroom slippers and she was farting as she shuffled along.

            Man, it was disgusting! And it stank! Bad!

            But I saw that as a form of protest on her part, and she chose to pollute the air we breathe.

            Maybe she didn’t like having to shop at Walmart, the most hated store in America.

          • 0 avatar
            30-mile fetch

            Did you remember your Walmart Bingo card? A friend once reached bingo when he found a raw meat package left on a shelf in the housewares aisle.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            30-mile fetch, I’ve never heard of that in MY area.

            We have two near where I live, an area with a population of 34K in town, 110K within the adjacent counties.

            One is a SuperCenter. The other a Neighborhood Grocery store.

            Never heard of it.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “What do you believe you are accomplishing by using terms like “Leftie-Libby greenweenies,” “treehuggers,” “Egobust,” “squirrel engines,” or “Ego-boosted hamsters”? Do you believe it is endearing you to anyone? Do you believe it validates your viewpoint?”

            It worked for #emptypotus.

            It is a convenient way of mitigating cognitive dissonance created by the mind unable to come to terms with one’s beliefs and factual reality or one’s beliefs and the beliefs of another.

            Anyone with a differing point of view is denigrated/dehumanized. That is much easier than accepting the reality that one’s belief and value system is flawed.

            It is much easier for many to deny than to face reality.

            “We each have to live by the beliefs and tenets that best personify us.”

            That says quite a bit about the author.

  • avatar
    MrGrieves

    Behind football and shootin’ sh*t this is the state pastime here in Alabama. If you have an oil-burning Brodozer, and you haven’t routed the exhaust straight up through the bed, and you’re not rollin’ coal, what’s wrong with you?

    In traffic I saw a kid who modified his Rabbit TDI to roll coal. The entire back bumper and rear window was sooted over.

    Also popular with the gasoline-powered vehicles: “Punchin’ out cats.” And no, not the household felines.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      I recently saw a Golf TDI modified to roll coal in Seattle, of all places. Complete with “Rollin’ Coal” window stickers.

      Impound them and release them only to an emissions shop. Allow the emissions shop to release to the customer only when factory operation is restored.

    • 0 avatar
      LeMansteve

      The irony with removing catalytic converters is, the stock cats on modern cars already flow pretty well. But let’s not let that get in the way of some fun caveman-level engineering.

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        JC Whitney used to sell bolt-in pipes with flanges to replace the cat(s) in the exhaust system.

        But with today’s computer controlled cars, the ECU would revert to limp-home mode because it would sense the cat(s) is/are missing or otherwise malfunctioning.

        Some cars (BMW) won’t even start unless the gascap or engine oil-filler cap is properly fastened.

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        Correct. Cat removal has little, if any effect on power output today. Things have changed since the days of restrictive converters but the thinking of the brain dead has not changed.

        • 0 avatar
          JimC2

          Even the original ones in the 1970s made only about 5-7% difference. Granted, this was in various Euro cars that were available with or without them, depending on the market, and this would be brand new cars (and brand new catalytic converters). But that rough number is about as close an apples-to-apples comparison as you can get.

          (Now let’s argue pointlessly about which side of the political spectrum catalytic converters lean… air injection pumps too.)

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            the early “pebble bed” converters flowed pretty terribly, plus they needed additional air supply (remember air pumps on engines?) to work effectively.

            modern cats are effectively laminar-flow elements with a catalyst wash-coat. They flow pretty darn well.

        • 0 avatar
          MrGrieves

          The reason cat removal is done down here is because:

          1) It’s a political statement against the Federal government, and specifically the EPA. The anger against the federal government is truly palpable here.
          2) Many cars are so old the cats have stopped working due to leaks, become plugged, etc., and already have multiple check engine codes causing the CEL to illuminate. If you get an extra P0420 code, so what? Besides, it costs money to fix the exhaust, and most people can’t afford it, so they just have a friend “punch out” their cat to restore some performance. Or better yet – hack the exhaust off before the cat and install a straight piece of scrap tubing all the way to the back! Hold in place with coat hanger wire. Problem solved for good!
          3) No state inspection regime of any kind ensures the owner will get away with it
          4) Exhaust-less loud car or truck = I’m drivin’ a NASCAR! = cred amongst the kinfolk

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            “1) It’s a political statement against the Federal government, and specifically the EPA. The anger against the federal government is truly palpable here.”

            usually- for a “protest” to have even a chance at being the least bit effective- the organization you’re protesting against has to, you know, *know* you’re protesting.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            With the new health care plan hitting the USA, it will become a self limiting problem.

  • avatar
    Driver8

    grams particulates from every (stock) VW TDI sold in the US : total VW fines paid :: grams of particulates from all coal rolled : total related fines

    Any guesses?

  • avatar
    don1967

    News flash for those who still don’t get it:

    People don’t roll coal because they are stupid, inbred, right-wing and deplorable. They do it because it’s so much fun to piss off those who use labels like stupid, inbred, right-wing and deplorable. And I have to snicker just a little bit when they succeed.

    • 0 avatar
      Astigmatism

      Hey look, I was right!

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      Yes, I’m sure they do not have their own comparable labels for liberals. Their joy in p*ssing off strangers on the street whom they’ve never met but have categorized politically reveals them to be truly high-minded individuals.

      Your comment is one of the dumbest things I’ve read in some time.

      • 0 avatar
        don1967

        “Your comment is one of the dumbest things I’ve read in some time.”

        Thank you for providing a live example of what I meant by “not getting it”. Bonus points for combining it with a personal insult, and without offering a whiff of insight into anything.

        • 0 avatar
          brenschluss

          This isn’t political: Anyone who gets their kicks from pissing other people off is a lowlife.

        • 0 avatar
          30-mile fetch

          Most people consider “not getting” stupid infantile behavior a compliment.

          So, thank you.

          Care to elaborate upon the insight you provided? Childish pranks directed at others based on stereotypes are…what exactly? Funny because they match your political view? I hope 1967 isn’t your birth year because you’re using the rationale of an overstimulated teenager rather than a 50 year old adult.

      • 0 avatar
        RobbieAZ

        Nobody who would roll coal, for any reason, is a high-minded individual.

        • 0 avatar
          Salzigtal

          Except in the sense than their brain pan is often a greater distance from the ground than those in stock height vehicles. Never mind, the -minded part doesn’t apply.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Right, don, and no conservative was ever p*ssed off by having a huge cloud of diesel smoke spewed in his face. Sure.

      • 0 avatar
        don1967

        Mike, nobody is suggesting that conservatives aren’t equally annoyed by huge clouds of diesel smoke being spewed into their face. That’s a strawman argument.

        This is not even about political orientation. It’s about stopping obnoxious behaviour, whether it comes from a smoke stack or a keyboard.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Let’s revisit your statement, don:

          “They do it because it’s so much fun to piss off those who use labels like stupid, inbred, right-wing and deplorable.”

          To be more specific, they do it to ANYONE who’s in back of them, and it’s hard to tell what someone’s political beliefs are by looking at their car in the rear view mirror. They’re being jerks to EVERYONE, including the folks who are least likely to label them in ways that trigger them.

          It’s hard to decide what’s sillier – that, or you trying to make it into a left / right thing.

          But if you want it that way, fine – have you grasped the irony of the “more law ‘n order” right wing getting a chuckle out of lawbreaking just to p*ss off folks they disagree with politically yet? If not, think about it for a while. You’ll get it.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            It is to pizz off liberals!

            How can you tell?

            As if I look like a stereotypical liberal in my 20 foot long F150 with a gun dog in the cab and a 12 foot aluminum boat in the back.

          • 0 avatar
            Salzigtal

            Sometimes the irony gene skips a generation yielding Credophiles who shoot Ob/Gyns because “Thou shall not kill” and coal rollers.

        • 0 avatar
          30-mile fetch

          ” It’s about stopping obnoxious behaviour, whether it comes from a smoke stack or a keyboard”

          Preceded by:

          “They do it because it’s so much fun to p*ss off those who use labels like stupid, inbred, right-wing and deplorable. And I have to snicker just a little bit when they succeed.”

          You are sufficiently concerned about stopping this obnoxious behavior that you decided to share how it pleases you when said behavior is directed towards people you don’t like.

          When someone’s obnoxious keyboard behavior physically enters your lungs and bloodstream, you can draw equivalency between the two. Until then, you just created your own strawman without realizing it.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Doing something injurious just because it pisses off other people is stupid and deplorable by nature.

      The worst excesses of modern conservatism arise when it stops focusing on its own goals and starts focusing on pissing off liberals.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        “The worst excesses of modern conservatism arise when it stops focusing on its own goals and starts focusing on pissing off liberals.”

        +1 billion, dal.

        My problem with modern “conservatism” is that for all intents and purposes, it ceased being a political school of thought years ago, and instead became shorthand for “I hate liberals.”

        And you can say the same thing has happened to liberalism as well…but dear God, it’s FAR worse on the right hand side of the aisle. Too many of them seem perfectly content to do things to p*ss liberals off, simply for the sake of p*ssing them off. Sad, because there’s worth in the basic small government / low tax school of thought that gets lost in all the venom.

        • 0 avatar
          don1967

          It’s ALWAYS worse on the other side of the aisle from where we stand. We hurl insults which we see as the “truth”, and then wonder why we get so much hate in return.

          Partisanship will be the death of us all, if we don’t start recognizing our own mistakes.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “Partisanship will be the death of us all, if we don’t start recognizing our own mistakes.”

            You mean, partisanship, as in, “I think it’s funny when people spew carcinogenic smoke on liberals?”

            You’re right, partisanship is a problem. May I respectfully suggest you start fighting that by looking at your own attitudes?

      • 0 avatar
        don1967

        “Doing something injurious just because it pisses off other people is stupid and deplorable by nature.”

        Right. That’s exactly my point, whether it’s blowing smoke into the air or throwing endless insults about somebody’s intelligence, inbreeding, etc. simply because they don’t share our opinions on everything.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          The difference between the types of injury involved there is pretty extreme.

          Not to mention that throwing insults is (usually) protected by the First Amendment, while giving people lung cancer is not.

          That’s not to say I think insulting people productive (usually the opposite), or that I especially appreciate being called a commie, fascist, or libtard. But the two types of conduct just aren’t comparable.

        • 0 avatar
          JimC2

          @don1967, if you’ll take a moment to reread my post and everyone else’s who used the inbreeding pejorative, you might notice that none of those posts made any connection to politics or speculation about the inbred coal rollers’ political leanings. Hmmmm? You might even notice I used a gender-neutral pronoun and I purposely avoided speculation about the driver’s (drivers’) preferences, etc. The only thing I speculated about was the nature part of the nature-vs-nurture influence in attempting to answer the age old question, that has confounded internet commenters for so long, of “Why does a citizen choose to roll coal?”

  • avatar
    operagost

    “New Jersey outlawed the practice in 2015, crafting a $5,000 citation, after a state assemblyman was blasted with diesel smoke in his Nissan Leaf.”

    And that’s what it takes– blasting a politician– because the serfs don’t matter.

  • avatar
    carlisimo

    The only obnoxious roadbound practice that will remain legal is the one that old people (legislators) and police like: painfully loud motorcycle exhausts.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Nope, there’s noise abatement in practice over most of the US. If you are above a certain dB, the cops can impound your vehicle.

      There usually is a sign on the highway before entering a town that reads “Engine Braking Prohibited” or words to that effect, which basically means, “Noise Abatement in effect.”

      • 0 avatar
        carlisimo

        Yeah, it’s written to apply to all vehicles, but in practice the cops will ignore you if it’s a vehicle they happen to like.

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          They’re pretty tough all over NM and TX. And we’re talking about the open spaces here.

          But in the cities like Albuquerque, Santa Fe, or Las Cruces, NM, El Paso, TX, they don’t mess around, at all.

          Of course, different regions of the US, different enforcement of the laws already on the books.

  • avatar
    ajla

    Rolling coal is bad optics for people that want to keep big engines around.

    It’s better for the normies and environmentalists to not think about it at all over having active distaste.

  • avatar
    JimC2

    I will say that there is one circumstance where I am OK with rolling coal: that is, used offensively against someone who is driving slow in the left lane and refusing to get over.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      I think Q-grade missiles in the headlights would work better in the stated circumstance.

    • 0 avatar
      ttacgreg

      LOL problem is, said ‘roller is behind the left lane hog. I don’t how gassing and obstructing the vision of the guy behind the guy hogging the left lane would do anything constructive.

      Hmmmm I wonder how effective coal rolling might be with tailgaters? Around Summit County Colorado these days 10 over the limit merits tailgating from a fair number of drivers. Maybe I could be made convert. (and don’t get me wrong, I am a strict practitioner of”rechts fahren”. This happens in the right lanes.

      • 0 avatar
        JimC2

        Oh, ttacgreg, there is nothing constructive about it. The left lane hog wouldn’t change his ways from constructive methods or any methods. Remediation is not the point, revenge is- the satisfaction of directly making his day a little more miserable after knowing that he annoys several people many times each day.

        I bet if you held the windshield washers on while rolling coal, the smoke-mist would put a filthy coating on his vehicle. Even more satisfaction!

  • avatar
    Big Al From 'Murica

    As Water Vapor is also a greenhouse gases, can we also outlaw the new douchbaggery known as vaping?

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    It should only be legal when next to a Tesla or a Prius.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    I have been coal rolled in my wife’s CRV. I always wanted to hook a hose up to the coal rollers smoke stack and have it spew in their cabin with the windows closed. I blame the parents as well for this, first cousins shouldn’t marry each other and have offspring. Too much inbreeding.

  • avatar
    HotPotato

    About goddamned time. In allegedly eco-friendly California, reporting a coal-roller merely prompts the DMV to send the owner a polite form letter saying they might want to get their pollution controls checked. Same deal if you report one of those god awful Navistar 18 wheelers with cheater software spewing miles-long clouds of gray-blue filth. Or the prick who removed the cats from their lowered WRX or lifted Silverado. Following any of these vehicles makes me wish California actually lived up to its green reputation.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      “makes me wish California actually lived up to its green reputation.”

      You’re just now finding this out?

      Drive through any of the Barrios and check out the filth that is spewing from many tailpipes. Makes rolling coal look downright like clean air!

      That makes me wonder how the CARB comes up with its clean-air mandates when there are so many duly registered cars that don’t even pass current emissions tests.

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        This. A lot more progress could be made for clean air by concentrating on long term durability of emission related components than can be made by tightening new car standards. And mandatory emission testing for cars five years and older would help, too.

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al From 'Murica

        Not sure how California works, but when metro Atlanta tested much could be done to sway the results by going to the “right” test station and slipping the tester an extra 20. I assume California is harsher and more thorough, but then again it is an expensive place to live and money talks!

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al From 'Murica

          They also had it where if you spent x dollars trying to fix the issue you could still register so it was common to have a buddy write a receipt for x dollars and take it to register without doing anything.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            The smog-repair on some cars is more than the entire car is worth, but people cannot afford to junk them.

            Take the case of my friend who owns an old Silverado 3500 CrewCab Dually. Could not pass El Paso, TX smog testing, so he got it licensed in Las Cruces, NM, where there are no smog tests mandated.

            And then there are the cars that come across the border from Mexico into the US everyday. Many of them really pollute.

            Good thing we have strong winds in the Desert Southwest and all that nasty filth is blown toward the East and North East of the US.

  • avatar
    Big Al From 'Murica

    If these trucks are emission tested couldn’t part of the test be to hash the ECU code and compare it against known good files from the manufacturer? Reflashes can be tracked too in the event they are throwing the stock tune on for testing.

    Yes, this will hurt the tuning industry but most aftermarket tunes do violate the law and that one bit these so called conservatives that do this crap forget about conservatism is we tend to like law and order. If you want to roll coal get the votes to make those mods legal. Good luck with that. Otherwise follow the law or don’t complain when some place like San Francisco says “Know what, we aren’t going to follow immigration law”.

    • 0 avatar
      mason

      The EPA banned the sale of performance tuners and DPF delete kits back around 2012 and slapped big fines on each company that manufactured them. Fines were based on amount of product sold and totaled in the 100s of millions. This put the brakes on the influx of new tuners and delete kits but didn’t do anything to get existing equipment off the streets. Recently there has been an uptick of “off road use only” kits and tunes filtering in from overseas. It appears as though they’ve found a loophole for the time being but I doubt it will last long before they draw the attention of the EPA.

    • 0 avatar
      wsn

      Totally agree. A true conservative, or redneck, or whatever you call him, would follow the law to the word and be irritated if others don’t.

  • avatar
    wsn

    “Now, law enforcement will undergo training to help differentiate between a smoky work truck and those specifically designed to run rich for the purpose of rolling.”

    But why? Why differentiate them? Even if it’s a work truck and even if it’s not intentional, if it’s visually polluting, it should be penalised.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Law enforcement has always been selective.

      As an example, the last administration chose to ignore many laws on the books.

      In contrast, the current administration has chosen to enforce those same laws already on the books.

      If We, The People, don’t like the laws on the books, we should get Congress to change them.

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        Meanwhile, the current administration has decided to ignore lots of other laws of its own, principally in the areas of finance, tax, and the environment.

        In fact, it just issued an executive order instructing the executive branch to ignore violations of a tax law passed by Congress (the Johnson Amendment).

        • 0 avatar
          highdesertcat

          dal20402, yes, I agree.

          But I also think there will be a lot more of such changes made during the coming 4 or 8 years.

          As someone put it yesterday, I believe it was on CNBC, “The shoe is on the other foot.”

          Lotsa changes comin’ up. Lotsa uncertainty ahead for certain groups.

          But at least your IRA is doing better. That makes a lot of old people very happy.

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al From 'Murica

          Yes Dal, agreed. I am not a fan of it. Of course left leaning administrations routinely flout federal law regarding drugs and immigration so your outrage is a bit hollow.

    • 0 avatar
      Salzigtal

      The smoking work truck is an equipment violation. A sympathetic judge can give a self-employed pool guy more time to fund the repairs than he would a journeyman plumber. Rolling coal is a criminal act. A short-tempered judge can take into account the disposable income / spare time “Bro” has available and set the fine and/or community service accordingly.

  • avatar
    cdrmike

    Don’t forget the truck nuts, Billy Bob.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    @Lou_BC–Good points. I do not agree with HDC on this because this type of protest eventually leads to more Government regulation harming those who use diesels for work and who are law abiding. Its free speech to many right wing extremists if it is anti-government even if it brings harm to innocent people, but it is dangerous and illegal if protesting is done by those who do not support extreme right wing positions. The extreme right is just as hypocritical as the extreme left and both do not represent most people.

    Lou, maybe the best solution is to sterilize these idiots and prevent them from procreating and making future generations of idiots.

    • 0 avatar
      highdesertcat

      Jeff S, I didn’t say that I endorsed this. I said I see where some people consider this a protest. I don’t own any diesels.

      Besides, this type of exhibition and behavior is wide-spread throughout America, whether it be in protest or just for havin’ fun. But in parts of CA it is also a way of life, especially on the freeways and in the Barrio.

      I doubt seriously we’ll see more gov’t regulation during the next four to eight years. If any new regulations should be enacted, two older regulations have to be scrapped.

      The Man said so. And put it in writing.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    High desert cat–Trump will not always be President unless the laws are changed to make him President for life which I doubt will happen. Seems that we switch political parties every 4 to 8 years and go to the opposite extreme. There is nothing to prevent states from making more laws as Colorado is doing. I am not endorsing more laws and regulations but a few idiots doing thoughtless stupid acts get people stirred up and demanding more laws which effect innocent people as well. It is much different when someone deliberately sabotages their vehicle to roll coal than someone who is too poor to fix a vehicle that is emitting smoke and pollutants. The law even makes a distinction between a premeditated intentional act that is meant to cause harm and an unintentional act. Are you saying that because rolling coal has become something that is being done in California and other places like the barrio that this is an acceptable behavior? There are many who sell and take heroin and there are juveniles that are forced into prostitution. One could argue that someone should have the right to harm themselves if they choose to but what about the rights of others who are harmed by their actions? We could go back to the laws of the old West and have everyone for themselves and shoot it out if there are disagreements. How far do we go as a society in expressing our rights if it hurts others or causes them to have their rights infringed on? Coal rolling is not an acceptable behavior and should not be condoned.

  • avatar
    hifi

    I have a friend who came across one of these guys. The truck was parked at a Lowes, and was the same one that was annoying the entire neighborhood for month. So my friend, who had just purchased a bottle of Drain-o, poured it all over the hood and doors. Oh, and it was raining. So the rain addled a little extra sizzle to the finish.

    I don’t endorse damaging someone else’s vehicle for any reason. But I care a little bit less in this instance.

  • avatar
    fuelmileage

    First and foremost, the kids doing this are just acting this way out of spite. I say kids, no matter the age because age is a state of mind. There are some very key points that people are choosing to overlook.

    These facts combined to give diesel fuel a bad environmental name, even though it in fact emits lower amounts of carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons and carbon dioxide than does gasoline.

    Had the government not decided to control the visual aspect of diesel trucks, this problem probably wouldn’t be near as bad as it is. People like myself, construction companies, power line companies, oil field companies, wind farm companies, so on and so on who purchase $40k to $70k trucks need them to be extremely reliable. These trucks are an investment and when the government forces the manufacture to sell a less reliable truck, the majority of us are going to make it reliable. Ask any dealership diesel tech what the majority of these trucks are in the shop for. They will tell you the truck has emissions equipment problems. These trucks are no longer able to idle for long periods of time without breaking down. These trucks need to have that function to operate equipment, keep people warm in the winter, etc. The groups of people against seeing and smelling the smoke from these trucks kill me. Due to the emissions on these trucks, they get substantially less fuel mileage, which means more consumption and therefore leads to more production. The emissions equipment also causes more failure leading to shorter life, which leads to more production. Producing more fuel and vehicles leads to a bigger impact on the environment. These trucks will get 13-15 mpg in stock form and once they are modified, will jump to 20+ mpg….

    If the government looked at this the way they do in other aspects, people wouldn’t act out of spite. Is there less gun violence where everyone is allowed to carry guns??? Yes! Am I a gun carrying, coal roller? No! Do people do things out of spite? Yes!

    Bottom line, the government regulated something that is shortening the life of our investment. People know it’s foolish and are going to act out.

    I don’t agree with what these kids are doing by any means, trust me. It’s horrible for the trucks and foolish to do anything out of spite.

  • avatar
    mhardgrove

    Finally! Few years back I was driving my old Smart Fourtwo in Denver past Coors Field toward the interstate/38th ave exchange. I had the top down, and some asshole in a jacked up ford with coffee can exhausts poking out the side, blew his horn to get my attention, preceded to scream something at me, and rolled coal creating a HUGE smokescreen almost causing me to crash. That exhaust was a bitch to get out of my interior.

    I would love to see heavy fines for tampering with the emissions and these brodozers crushed.

  • avatar
    Wheatridger

    Some of y’all don’t seem to understand how obvious this kind of mod can be. When you see a pickup bed empty except for dual six-inch exhaust stacks standing upright like the stacks of an old Mississippi River steamboat, you’ll understand. Follow that truck, and pretty soon you’ll see.

    Reminds me of a scared squid, vanishing into his own ink cloud. Like a brat pi$$ing into the punch bowl, and throwing a dead cat in the town well.

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