By on June 24, 2016

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The UK’s Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders is tasked with, according to the SMMT, promoting “the interests of the UK automotive industry at home and abroad.”

Prior to the June 23 Brexit vote for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union, the SMMT insisted that voting “remain” was critical to the UK automotive industry. Brexit could jeopardise jobs, automakers were in agreement that remaining was important, and pointed to the UK’s 800,000 auto industry jobs and its £15.5 billion contribution to the economy as reasons to stay in the European Union.

But the Brexit vote to leave, led largely by UKIP’s Nigel Farage, produced a 52 percent in favour result, a margin of victory valued at 1.27 million votes. Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron will resign. Economic indicators, predicted to stabilize, rode a rollercoaster overnight. Says the SMMT’s Mike Hawes today: “Government must now maintain economic stability and secure a deal with the EU which safeguards UK automotive interests. This includes securing tariff-free access to European and other global markets.”

Securing such a deal will not be easy or quick, nor will subsequent free trade deals with other nations be immediately forthcoming. The actual Brexit process will be very long. Britons’ EU passports didn’t spontaneously combust early this morning.

In the meantime, therefore, much will continue as usual. The UK automotive industry will continue to build cars and send them tariff-free to other EU nations because, for now, the UK is still part of the EU. British-built cars and SUVs will continue to be shipped to North America under existing rules and regulations, as well.

And which cars and SUVs are those? These are all the volume British brand vehicles sold in America through the first five months of 2016.

Vehicle/Brand/Automaker 2016 5 Months 2015 5 Months % Change
Jaguar-Land Rover 39,191 34,288 14.3%
Land Rover Brand 30,943 27,669 11.8%
Mini Brand 20,230 24,086 -16.0%
Mini Cooper 15,331 17,259 -11.2%
Mini Cooper Hardtop 2-Door * 5,390 8,802 -38.8%
Mini Cooper Hardtop 4-Door * 5,336 6,375 -16.3%
Mini Cooper Clubman * 3,404 11 30,846%
Mini Cooper Convertible * 1,195 1,314 -9.1%
Mini Cooper Coupe * 3 207 -98.6%
Mini Cooper Roadster * 3 550 -99.5%
Land Rover Range Rover Sport 8,748 9,657 -9.4%
Jaguar -Brand 8,248 6,619 24.6%
Land Rover Range Rover 6,994 7,893 -11.4%
Land Rover Discovery Sport 5,890 587 903%
Land Rover LR4 5,349 3,622 47.7%
Mini Countryman 4,851 6,237 -22.2%
Land Rover Range Rover Evoque 3,959 5,845 -32.3%
Jaguar XF 3,680 3,144 17.0%
Jaguar F-Type 1,700 1,701 -0.1%
Jaguar XJ 1,601 1,547 3.5%
Jaguar F-Pace 666
Jaguar XE 598
Bentley Brand 484 1,026 -52.8%
Aston Martin Brand ‡ 430 425 1.2%
Rolls-Royce Brand 374 352 6.3%
Lotus Brand ‡ 70 65 7.7%
Mini Paceman 48 590 -91.9%
Jaguar XK 3 227 -98.7%
Land Rover LR2 3 65 -95.4%
Total 60,779 60,242 0.9%

Source: BMW USA, Jaguar-Land Rover, ANDC, WSJ
* Mini Cooper breakdown by variant
‡ ANDC estimate

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61 Comments on “After Brexit: Here’s The State Of The British Auto Industry In America...”


  • avatar
    Kenmore

    Global websites are a cacophony of dire predictions today from hectoring Unionists desperate to slap Britain for this dastardly move to control immigration and protect their society.

    Bad precedent being set here, wot?

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      Exactly. The U.K. will sink into the sea now that it’s xenophobic citizens have rejected open borders and rule by unelected EU bureaucrats.

    • 0 avatar
      e30gator

      It was nothing more than dangerous nationalist sentiment brought about by the usual scare tactics employed by right wing radicals. Every economist and market analyst with actual knowledge of the subject has said the move would be dangerous and wreak havoc on the British (and world) economy–but I guess you know more than they do.

      This is why we really need to invest more in our education system, so an ignorant and easy-to-manipulate populace doesn’t continue to destroy the safety nets that protect the middle class while supporting bad policy that directly and indirectly lead to the transfer of wealth to Asia and the one percent.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        What’s a “middle class”?

      • 0 avatar
        Kenmore

        “dangerous nationalist sentiment”

        Europeans really need to get over National Socialism and realize that there are equally if not more sick and vicious movements surging today. Stop fighting the last Century.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        @e30gator –

        Ahhh, yes, the “more education,” faux-progressive canard!

        You are clueless and naive, and are merely parroting the baseless arguments used by Project Fear, which LOST (quit whining), to delay coming to terms with the fact that 72% of Brits eligible to vote turned out, and that Remain (the effete elite, backed by self-serving globalists) lost badly, and for very good reason.

        The more people/nations that wake up and realize that the more their economy is swallowed whole by canonicalization – shifting/trading/hedging currencies, commodities, assets, derivatives on bourses, otherwise known as speculation – the more that productive labor’s contribution of the economy (real output of value added, tangible things created by, you know, actual factories, R&D facilities, plants and other real capital) flows towards the larger bulk of the population…just like when there was a large, working, proud middle class that could afford a decent lifestyle without being ground into perpetual debt serfdom fuel for the financiers…

        …and the more nations/people realize that financial capitals such as London, New York City, Dubai, etc. are a pox on society as a whole, and on real people doing real work a and producing real value-added goods, the better, and the sooner we can cure the diseases that perverse, out of control financialization has imposed on a huge % the world’s citizens.

        This Brexit vote is a start; non-Londoner’s finally woke up to the reality that their work, fruits of their labor and taxes were being disproportionately siphoned off to subsidize the filthy, inefficient, bureaucratic, elite, representative-of-only-their-own interests elite in London and Brussels.

        Moreover, the EU was born of flawed logic, and this is the inevitable outcome of attempting to impose a union with unelected bureaucrats upon a geographic region containing so many nations and ethnicities that simple do not share the same fundamental views, traits & burdens (because of the idiocy of the EU rules). Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy and other failing states, dependent upon welfare, and losing more of their sovereignty, while siphoning off more of the surplus of those doing better under a common currency regime (rather than being allowed to attempt to balance their economies via us of their own fiat), would always be the ultimate fate of the EU.

        Now, France, the Dutch, and many other EU members will follow the UK’s lead, and despite Project Fear in Brussels now being ramped up (to try and “teach” the UK a lesson and set an example for those others contemplating leaving the failed EU), the great scam that is the EU has been exposed for what it was all along; an unsustainable attempt by elite bureaucrats representing unelected globalists to “curtail” national sovereignty so as to more “easily manage” the lives of 1/2 billion people (and set to grow with Turkey FORMERLY on deck)via definitively non-democratic means.

        Happy Independence Day, Britain! Cheers to you for exposing the sham that is the soon-to-be-former EU.

        • 0 avatar
          Bazza

          DW…thank you for responding to the village idiot. It saved me a lot of keystrokes.

        • 0 avatar

          This, DW. Well said.

          Seems the British people are educated enough to understand the big picture, and willing to see past the ad hominem “xenophobe” and “racist” canards lobbed at them by a wounded New World Order who can do nothing else since their position is indefensible on its face.

          Those same globalists will try their own version of the EU here, given the chance. Google “FTAA” and “NAU” (Free Trade Area of the Americas and North American Union) EXPECT THIS is Hillary becomes president; the Clintons are bought and paid for by David Rockefeller.

          Strong, sovereign, representative republics are the way forward. Will we ever see it? It’s a better goal than the one-world goal whose roots date back to Woodrow Wilson and the founding of the Council on Foreign Relations.

          To our British allies, I, too, declare “Happy Independence Day.”

        • 0 avatar
          yamahog

          Thank you tremendously for the well-written response.

          My daily dose of heart burn is brought about by the ‘economists’ who say that the Brexit would see the sun rise in the west and set in the east and the oceans boil with saltpeter.

          I have a graduate degree in Economics and yes I agree that Britan is going to induce some volitility into the markets but the best thing that could happen is rejecting high finance increasing amounts of arbitrage / speculation we’re well past the point of efficient capital markets. Finance is simply a means to get good ideas funded and good ideas are rooted in the real economy. God Bless Elon Musk for getting the silicon valley billonaires involved in a space race and doing something beyond making the next apps that soars to a billion dollar valuation because it lets people share pictures / removes some friction from the economy.

          For my money, I’m more worried about the Euro / E.U than the U.K.

          rule britannia.

        • 0 avatar
          05lgt

          Thanks DW. After yesterday I intended to poke at you that your inexplicable boner towards all things Bark is based in jealousy that he and not you is JB’s brother, but after this summation of the Brexit and EU I have to deliver it with the apology attached: you deserve better from me. I’m sorry. Thanks for posting today and always.

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          How will the fallout from Brexit impact the US and Canada?

      • 0 avatar
        dwford

        Um, our education (re-education?) system seems to be doing a great job indoctrinating our youth in the socially liberal, multicultural, open borders, government first ideals espoused by the elites. But of course, they could all use raises, so why not. Never enough “investment” in education, right?

      • 0 avatar

        And who is going to pay for producing even more useless college graduates in liberal arts who will give us daily lectures how to save the world from climate change?

    • 0 avatar
      carguy

      “Global websites are a cacophony of dire predictions today from hectoring Unionists desperate to slap Britain for this dastardly move to control immigration and protect their society.”

      Except it wont. The UK needs access to the common market and will have to go through the same channels that Norway also went through to gain access to it without EU membership. And guess what? The free movement of labor and paying of membership dues are part of any such agreement. In fact, they will end up paying more and having no more influence in Brussels.

      At best this has been nothing more that a nativist temper tantrum that will hurt the UK financially and diminish their influence in the region.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        So… unelected technocrats with globalist ambitions seize control of European Common Market turning it something its not and then blackmail anyone who either won’t submit to their control or, in this case, dares to leave their auspices after a national referendum?

        This is a teachable moment… about what happened to Mussolini.

    • 0 avatar
      MrGreenMan

      Well, President Trump promised them front of the line this morning after President Obama told them they would get the back of the line.

      The Indians have done a beautiful job of it with Jaguar. Really – hats off to them; they have made Jaguar every bit the sizzling English dream that Tawny Kitaen bestrode in the Whitesnake videos. Paint that in a St. George’s cross, put a little Welsh dragon on the front license plate holder, and get Elizabeth Hurley to pitch them.

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    Will Nissan, Honda and Ford continue their manufacturing in the UK if it leaves the EU? The UK market is certainly not large enough to support the large number of vehicles manufactured.

    During the 1950’s the UK was actually the world’s largest exporter of autos, yes they exported more than the USA.

    Now there is not even one domestically owned mass manufacturer.

    As for the Brexit vote, to use an old and racist, stereotypical comment commonly heard among xenophobic types in Britain, “the Wogs start at the Channel”. Seems their attitude carried the vote.

    • 0 avatar
      tresmonos

      I agree with you. Those powertrains made in the UK just jumped 10% in cost.

      The one good thing about the US is if we follow the same foolish foot steps, we still have some buying power. It won’t sting as much but will still suck.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        Well, since the GBP took a big old dump today, that should offset any cost increases.

        Long term, I dunno. It doesn’t help the UK that Ford is building an engine plant in Mexico and that Cleveland can make the four cylinder ecoboost engine now. Dagenham was probably going to eventually die regardless of the Brexit result.

        • 0 avatar
          MrGreenMan

          Well, if Trump wins, President Trump and the school teacher will admit them to NAFTA, so all will be good. Queen of England, Princess of Canada, and all that.

        • 0 avatar
          tresmonos

          You hit the nail on the head. Bridgend is already notorious.

          They are getting a new line in 2018. So they have some time. After that line is done, I wouldn’t place my bets on any new investment.

    • 0 avatar

      In the short term nothing much will change. But any auto manufacturer looking to sell cars in Europe are unlikely to invest a single dime in the UK and have to deal with a border to export cars to Europe and the inevitable exchange rate fluctuations.

      Auto manufacturing will not so much go out with a bang but a whimper.

  • avatar
    Land Ark

    Over the course of the next few years, we will notice very little change with the British auto industry, if anything at all.

    I figured the people of Britain would be smart enough to vote to stay in the Union. But I also think in general that even without being a member there won’t be a severe impact on anything significant over the course of the next few years.

    Everything will even out once people stop losing their minds. People just need to relax.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      Some would say they were ‘smart enough’ to get out. :)

      But I agree with your sentiment – everything will even out.

    • 0 avatar

      The actual question is how long EU will last. Is Brexit is just a symptom and if it was inevitable (most likely – yes)? EU is deeply flawed organization. For it to work Europeans need to fully unify, get rid of national traditions, cultures/languages and institutions, speak the same language, have one central bank, one President, one Congress and so on. In other words Europe should become like USA and separate weak Mexico like countries into separate union where these countries can become competitive again and do not ask every year for handouts from more developed countries like Germany. They can create actually two EUs – Northern EU an Southern EU.

      “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.” (MT, in this context read German taxpayers money)

  • avatar
    Astigmatism

    On the plus side: Jaguar’s production costs just fell 10% in USD. Get ’em before their component and labor costs spike 30% over the next two years.

  • avatar
    Sgt Beavis

    You need to give us a write up on how the ever falling Pound is going to affect the price of the Jag F-Pace I want. It now sits at it’s lowest since 1985.

    I’m already planning a vacation to London.

  • avatar
    Joss

    Keep price of oil and interest rates down.

  • avatar
    Joe Btfsplk

    America has it’s own battle against President Obama’s insane Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement.

  • avatar
    Ron B.

    Britain today builds and exports more cars than it has ever done. And this in spite of the damage wrought on the country by Brussels . They lost almost all of their industrial base by being a member of a failing sociological experiment and you’ll note the only ones bitching about it are the mega rich such as George Soros who actually made an open threat last week if the Brits vote out. You’ll notice the sudden dive in the pound. I wish I could buy a few million and some cheap shares that mr Soros is so kindly dumping on the market in a vicious act of retribution .

  • avatar

    Globalism and vast interconnected banking cartels are being rejected, well, globally, and yet so many commentators continue to blame the people that were most hurt by these two factors. I don’t live in England, so I can’t speak to that nation’s voters, but the sense that elites are disconnected from their constituents is a source of rising anger around the world. You can be against the people taking advantage of that anger while still recognizing the people who sold out the global middle class are part of the problem. Writing off the anger as a symptom of racism and ignorance seems only to underscore the problem.

    These people are hurting economically, and they’re afraid, and they’re sick of either being ignored or derided whenever they lift their heads to speak.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      Agreed, and this is why Mr Trump is so popular with US voters.

      He also attracts all the labels you mentioned.

    • 0 avatar
      EquipmentJunkie

      I concur. It appears like the Brexit result is another example of the increasing distrust of global kumbaya efforts. Political correctness has been the Scotch tape holding much of it together for the last number of years.

      People on several continents are really frustrated. Here, the result of our symptom is Donald Trump. In Europe, we have the Brexit, the earlier vote on independence by Scotland, and the possible future referendum votes by France, Italy, and the Netherlands.

      As a somewhat related aside, Jerry Seinfeld’s series Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee seems to have had an undercurrent of cultural tension that comics feel. Our culture used to listen to comedians’ often brutal honesty of situations and laugh. No more. We can no longer listen to a comedians’ interpretation of “truth” as they see it. We get offended because the comedian used a word or a subject that we have turned into our dog whistle.

    • 0 avatar

      Elites do not give a damn about ordinary people, all they are concerned about is enriching themselves. Good examples being Soros himself, Clintons and well Trump too. Or Mark Zuckerberg for that matter. They become Elite because they have a hunger for money plus talent to screw other people to make as much money as possible for themselves. Sometimes they feel guilt but hunger for grabbing more money no matter how rich they already have – it is an overwhelming instinct called Greed.

  • avatar

    Non British manufacturers assembling vehicles in England were already exploring a plan B prior to the vote. The completed “leave” is on a 24 month time frame, it will be interesting to see the various strategies “non British” manufacturers will execute. One consideration will be to take legal recourse against the government to be compensated for losses.

    As far as North America is concerned, the truly British brands are already subject to an import duty unless the free trade agreements with the EU are all in place (don’t think so).

    In Canada as an example a Jaguar/Land Rover is subject to a 6.3% import duty.

    Its the assembly plants in England owned by “foreign manufacturers” that are immediately under a cloud of risk.

    Now if Ireland and Scotland want to leave the UK, to remain in the EU it will be even more interesting.

    This morning JP Morgan stated that its business as usual while they reconsider their various banking operations in England. Toyota is surely doing the same thing.

  • avatar
    mtmmo

    Donald Trump, Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, and the British people have won.
    President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and George Soro’s have lost.
    Merkel is next.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      I thought I read Soros went short, so as usual Cobra Commander gets away – but otherwise yes the admitted statists “lost”.

      • 0 avatar
        mtmmo

        BOOM! Prime Minister David Cameron has resigned. The Brits have spoken, will the Germans or French be next?

        • 0 avatar
          threeer

          the Germans have zero desire to break up/leave the EU. As it is, they are the powerhouse of the union to begin with and hold sway over a large chunk of what goes on economically in Europe. The French, despite having no real meaningful love for either the British OR Germans, also won’t leave, despite the far-right wing calling for their own referendum. Without their presence within the EU, France is marginalized. No, other (smaller) countries may well examine their membership (think Denmark, for one). Scotland and Northern Ireland may well hold a call to break from England.
          For better or worse, the voters in Britain had the chance to go to the polls and to have their voices heard in a meaningful way. Now it is up to them to decipher and plod through the consequences of that decision, good and/or bad.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            The French have:

            1. Strong cultural and language identity.
            2. Nuclear weapons and the ability to produce more.
            3. Foreign possessions.
            4. Former possessions which still have strong ties to Paris (mostly West Africa).
            5. A working aircraft carrier.
            6. A tunnel to the UK.

            I’ve not been to France to say what’s really happening there but as you said zee Germans are in control and the French historically don’t like zee Germans. I could see them leaving as well.

            Scotland or N.I. -as much as they hate London- would be foolish to be subservient “members” to a failing experiment in Brussels. Do they want trade with Europe? Yes, same as England/Wales. Do they want to be vassals? I don’t think so. I also don’t think the British would be too keen on a full “EU” member state on its border in Great Britain, too easy for a vengeful Commission to position an “EU” army detachment there.

            In Dublin, October 2009, all the graffiti there said: “No means NO!” and “We love our constitution” before they were forced to vote a second time to approve Lisbon. The “people” then were not in favor of an EU superstate and their voices were ignored.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        Excerpt of 60 Minutes transcript of Steve Kroft interviewing George Soros:

        KROFT: (Voiceover) You’re a Hungarian Jew…

        Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

        KROFT: (Voiceover) …who escaped the Holocaust…

        (Vintage footage of women walking by train)

        Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

        (Vintage footage of people getting on train)

        KROFT: (Voiceover) … by — by posing as a Christian.

        Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Right.

        (Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar)

        KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

        Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that’s when my character was made.

        KROFT: In what way?

        Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and — and anticipate events and when — when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a — a very personal experience of evil.

        KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

        Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

        KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

        Mr. SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.

        KROFT: I mean, that’s — that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

        Mr. SOROS: Not — not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t — you don’t see the connection. But it was — it created no — no problem at all.

        KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

        Mr. SOROS: No.

        KROFT: For example that, ‘I’m Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.’ None of that?

        Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c — I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was — well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets — that if I weren’t there — of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would — would — would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the — whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the — I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          Never underestimate this total, incomprehensible, malicious, cancerous, evil mindset as reflected in this statement:

          “But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was — well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets — that if I weren’t there — of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would — would — would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the — whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the — I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.”

        • 0 avatar
          SCE to AUX

          I get what you’re saying, but I’m more concerned with Mr Soros’ behavior lately than when he was 14 years old in a difficult situation.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            We’re who we are when we’re 5 years old, maybe extending to full moral formation by 7 or 8 years of age.

            Research the “you can have 1 cupcake now, or two in 15 minutes if you can wait” test upon 5-6 year olds, and how those kids were tracked for decades, and how their decisions made at that early age perfectly tracked their outcomes/productivity/generosity/criminal inclinations when they were in their teens, 20s and 30s.

            Soros was 14. His moral compass was fully cemented. He’s a true, Machiavellian scumbag.

  • avatar
    JD23

    EVERYONE PANIC!!!!

    I’m currently prowling my neighborhood for stray cats that I will smoke and freeze dry for their meat. The end is nigh!

  • avatar
    eggsalad

    Cars are built in the UK. However, there are no British car manufacturers.

    MINI is BMW
    Jaguar and Land Rover are Tata
    Rolls & Bentley are BMW and VW
    I really don’t know who owns Aston-Martin and Lotus, but it’s probably not Brits, and even if it is, there isn’t much volume between the two

    Morgan may still be British, but they don’t even do enough volume to be listed on the chart.

    • 0 avatar
      Sigivald

      To be fair, though, all of them are still *made* in Britain, so Pound exchange rates matter a lot, as do any potential trade war import changes.

      (I just looked it up; the one Mini factory is in Britain.

      All five JLR factories are in Britain.

      RR/Bentley honestly doesn’t matter, but IIRC all their manufacturing is in Britain.)

  • avatar
    TMA1

    My friend in China just bought an MG. That should help keep the British economy rolling. Oh wait, the cowed, EU-led Britain spent the past four decades selling off their industries (and their souls) to the highest bidder.

    Happy independence day to the people of Great Britain, and congrats on taking your country back from those who tried to buy it out from under you.

  • avatar

    We all live in a world where we have noticed that every transaction has had a marketer/MBA look at it and say “how can I get $5 (or more) out of them”. Airlines are a great example. Pay and it can be nice, or don’t and you will be treated like trash.

    Government, at the Federal level, has become basically non responsive to people. There are too many examples to cite. If you don’t have a lot of money or well focused lobby (preferably both) things don’t get fixed. Guns, Health Care, useless wars in useless foreign nations are notable examples. Problems that occur to people aren’t dealt with, at all, but heaven and earth will move for large corporate interests.

    Go a bit down the demographic way. Remove a few education points, drop the credit rating, take away the cushioning bank account. You don’t get customer service, you now get “visit us on the web” and no representative. You don’t need a Haaavvvard education to know that the base assumptions have been moved, and not in your favor. Not because you are stupid…you aren’t, but because you know your reality has been changed by folks who are untouchable to you and have different rules than you.

    The chattering classes are flummoxed that Leave won. Trump, who is at heart a con-man, will key into this same vein. I gotta give him credit for pwning the Republican Party, but beyond that, I’m going to vote, but ignore the top line of the ballot.

    I think that if you could somehow secede from the Federal Government, and keep that tax money in your state, you’d find a lot of support..except in the South, where most states are “Takers”.

    The brits voted to lose rules from Brussels (Wot ? no pints ? I want a pint, not a bloody half liter), the financial sink holes of Greece, Spain and Italy, and to avoid having to take in the illegal wave from the Middle East. I’d have voted Leave. The sun will come up tomorrow.


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