By on May 16, 2016

2016 Ford Edge Front 3/4 View, Image: © 2016 Kevin Mio/The Truth About Cars

2016 Ford Edge Titanium AWD

2.0-liter turbocharged I4 (245 horsepower @ 5,500 rpm, 275 lbs-ft @ 3,000 rpm)

Six-speed SelectShift automatic transmission, paddle activation

20 city/30 highway/24 combined (EPA rating, MPG)

21 (Observed, MPG)

Base price (SE, FWD): $28,700 (U.S.) / $33,139 (Canada)

As tested: $46,665 (U.S.) / $52,989 (Canada)

All U.S. prices include a $895 freight fee. All Canadian prices include $1,690 freight and PDI fees and A/C tax when equipped.

The Ford Edge has always grabbed my attention due to its styling.

From a distance, the look — especially that of the second-generation Edge — is certainly pleasing to the eye. The front grille, fog light assembly, stylish wheels and a nice silhouette give the midsize crossover an Edge — pardon the pun. And the 2016 model can be configured in a number of ways to suit consumers’ needs, with a choice of powertrains and a nice choice of optional equipment.

But, as they say, the devil is in the details, and that’s where the Edge starts to lose its sharpness. The main issue is one we’ve seen here before: quality of the fit of the exterior panels of the Edge. However, I have another major gripe about the Blue Oval’s lifestyle-mobile, and it sits under its misaligned hood.

The Edge has three engine options. The top-spec Sport has its own engine — a 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6. Other trims can be had with a 2.0-liter twin-scroll EcoBoost I4 or an optional 3.5-liter V6. Our tester arrived with the turbo four.

2016 Ford Edge Rear3/4 View, Image: © 2016 Kevin Mio/The Truth About Cars

The 2.0-liter engine in this Ruby Red model delivers 245 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 275 pounds-feet of torque at 3,000 rpm. The V6, however, delivers 280 hp at 6,500 rpm and 250 lbs-ft at 4,000 rpm.

The turbocharged 2.0-liter engine leaves me feeling torn. I know exactly why Ford is building EcoBoost engines, but I still crave more punch during my drive. Despite the power numbers, the Edge feels sluggish. That’s especially true when it comes to off-the-line acceleration thanks to lag from the turbo.

The EcoBoost mill doesn’t deliver on its promised fuel economy, either. It’s estimated fuel consumption is 20 mpg in the city and 30 mpg on the highway, for a combined 24 mpg, according to the Environmental Protection Agency’s five-cycle test. After a week of evenly mixed city and highway driving, my average came out to 21 mpg — somewhat disappointing.

On the bright side, there’s no discernible lag between shifts, something I’ve noticed is all too common in Ford vehicles. The six-speed SelectShift automatic with paddle shifters acquits itself quite well, although I didn’t touch the paddles once during my time with the Edge.

Despite the issues with the sometimes-sluggish engine performance, the overall driving feel of the Edge is fairly smooth and comfortable.

2016 Ford Edge Rear Passenger Door Trim, Image: © 2016 Kevin Mio/The Truth About Cars

Now, about the quality issues I alluded to earlier about the Edge.

Last year, TTAC’s own managing editor reviewed the 2015 Edge and reported similar issues with body panel fitment. He alluded to perhaps some of the issues having to do with the extensive redesign the model had undergone, and the Edge was in its first year with a new look. Some issues were to be expected, he wrote.

Unfortunately, the issues appear to remain unsolved on the 2016 model we drove. From afar, everything on the Edge looks great. A closer look, however, tells a different story.

2016 Ford Edge Rear Door Weather Stripping, Image: © 2016 Kevin Mio/The Truth About Cars

For starters, weather stripping on the rear passenger door of our tester almost came completely separated from the door. Even though it was easy to snap it back into place, that shouldn’t be happening. The chrome trim on the doors is badly aligned with paired trim on the body, and the panels around the taillights also don’t line up.

2016 Ford Edge Door Trim Join, Image: © 2016 Kevin Mio/The Truth About Cars

Sadly, the issues seem to go back even further. A neighbor’s 2010 Edge also has some panel fitment and alignment issues.

It’s a little disconcerting that these issues continue to arise on a vehicle that costs nearly $50,000.

The week after the Edge, I drove a less pricey Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk. Inspecting its panel fitment and alignment revealed a better finish. (And the Trailhawk was a pretty fun drive.)

Thankfully, the Edge has some other redeeming qualities, especially on the inside where the finish is vastly improved in comparison to its exterior.

2016 Ford Edge Interior Front, Image: © 2016 Kevin Mio/The Truth About Cars

The passenger compartment is a quiet environment, aside from screaming offspring in the back seat. At highway speeds, road and wind noise is kept to a minimum, making the Edge a pleasant place to be.

Speaking of that back seat, there’s loads of leg and shoulder room for your passengers. And even when you install a car seat, there’s no need for the front passenger to pull their seat so far forward that their knees are crushed against the dashboard.

2016 Ford Edge Back Seats, Image: © 2016 Kevin Mio/The Truth About Cars

The cabin is especially bright thanks to the Edge’s panoramic sunroof, a feature that definitely pleases the little ones who get to stare at the sun during drives or count stars as you try to lull them to sleep. Watching the sunshade roll back and forth also provides entertainment for and giggles from the youngins, so that’s a plus.

The two-toned leather interior (ceramic/black) gives the cabin a more upscale feel, as does the satin-finish plastic trim throughout the cabin. The light color keeps the cabin bright, and is a welcomed change from the sea of black fabrics and materials one so often encounters in vehicles these days.

2016 Ford Edge Center Console and Dash, Image: © 2016 Kevin Mio/The Truth About Cars

From behind the wheel, the Edge has clear sight lines and a comfortable seating position.

The 2016 Edge features SYNC3, an upgraded Ford system, which turns out to be a pleasant surprise. Previous experiences with SYNC have left me wanting, but SYNC3 is easy to use and, I can report, glitch free. Color me impressed.

2016 Ford Edge Cargo Area, Image: © 2016 Kevin Mio/The Truth About Cars

The Edge offers a very spacious cargo area, great for packing along the accoutrement that comes with parenthood. But given what my neighbor does with his Edge, it’s also fully capable of acting as a utility vehicle for a DJ, providing lots of room for large speakers and other gear.

Pricing for the Edge starts at $28,700 (U.S.), but this Titanium tester comes in at $46,665. Added options include Equipment Group 302A ($5,495), Driver’s Package ($1,800), 20-inch wheels ($995), Class II Trailer Tow Package ($435) and an extra $395 for the Red Ruby tri-coat metallic paint.

While there are some reservations about the Edge’s quality, the fact that the panel gaps on my neighbour’s six-year-old Edge have not worsened over time leads me to believe it may not be such an issue in the long run. So if you can live with the imperfections, by all means, the Edge is a good choice.

I would probably opt for the larger V6 engine, but I suppose the more you get used to the 2.0-liter EcoBoost, the more comfortable you’ll be with the smaller mill.

Ford Canada provided the vehicle and insurance for the purpose of this review.

[Images: © 2016 Kevin Mio/The Truth About Cars]

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181 Comments on “2016 Ford Edge Titanium Review – Manufacturer of Doubt, Round Two...”


  • avatar

    Topping out at $52,000

    Never been a fan of Ford’s interiors…or engine power…or fit and finish.

    The Edge/ Explorer have so much competition (for less) that beyond the fleet sales, I wonder how they move them.

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      That’s the most you could spend on one, in theory. I just did a search in my area and they’re starting at $26K. The highest was $47K.

    • 0 avatar
      blppt

      The 2.0EB might be overmatched, but the 2.7 is a beast. I wish I could afford that upcoming Fusion Sport with it.

    • 0 avatar
      Shawnski

      I can tell you why Explorers move; our ’14 Sport while certainly not without cheap plastic, particularly in the cargo area, has 3 things that give ownership satisfaction; an effortless 3.5 TT, a supremely composed suspension and a squeak and rattle free interior. I could also add excellent steering and impressive brakes. As big as it is, it’s a surprisingly good driver’s car that can haul 7 people and tow 5k lbs with decent FE. More gear ratios would prob help its efficiency. My wife wanted this vehicle and I was dubious, however I really appreciate it now and can’t think of anything else that checks all the boxes. $42k otd.

  • avatar
    seth1065

    wow for almost 48,000 I would expect more than a 4 cy with somewhat weak get up and go, shoddy workmanship and poor gas mileage for a 4cyl. One should not have to live with this level of shoddy workmanship on a 2016 48,000 dollar cuv, no thanks and folks wonder why folks buy their honda products again and again, while they may have their issues ( I have owned several w not one issue) Honda would make damm sure their trim would fit a year or so after discovering the problem.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Hello and who are you, Mr. Mio?

    “So if you can live with the imperfections, by all means, the Edge is a good choice.”

    For $47,000 it had better damn well line up. Inexcusable in 2016. Paint quality looks poor as well.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      It’s also inexcusable to buy a Ford CD4 based CUV for $47K that isn’t the MKX.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        That’s also true. The interior on the Lincoln is certainly a few steps up from this meh one with black gloss trim.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          For the same price as this Edge, one can purchase a 2.7TT AWD MKX in mid-spec. $2K gives you a loaded top trim MKX with terracotta leather and most extras you could want.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Can’t I also buy a nice F150 for similar money?

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            28-

            I’d buy an F150 SuperCrew XLT very well equipped for less. My preferred build barely crosses $40K.

          • 0 avatar

            “Can’t I also buy a nice F150 for similar money?”

            Ah yes, I’ll pick up my parents from the airport in an F-150 and throw their luggage in the bed where it will get soaked by rain and stolen when we pass through the seedier parts of town. They’ll especially enjoy the bolt upright back seats and the horse-cart grade rear suspension on the 2 day drive to visit Yosemite. At least I’ll be able to tow the imaginary bass boat that I’ve been meaning to buy for the last 25 years.

            The only people who would cross shop an Edge and an F-150 are people who need neither.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            [email protected]:

            For $47K or less Ford and Lincoln will have the following CUV options on the lot that are far superior to the 2.0T Edge: MKX 2.7TT, Explorer Sport, Flex Ecoboost, MkT Ecoboost. $47K is also getting into Expedition territory.

            As far as your complaints about the F150, there is always a locking bed and the back seat is pretty decent now and I have been comfortable in the F150 on 300-500 mile trips. My wife’s MkT is a better highway cruiser, but that vehicle is my favorite long distance cruiser.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      You buy this Ford Edge for $47,000!!!

      You buy it now!!!

      Ford. Quality is Job #1! Have you driven a Ford lately?!!

      (This was yet another TTAC Advertorial for a Ford Product – Does TTAC have NO standards? Bark should have run a record time around Laguna in this while TTAC was at it again.)

      • 0 avatar
        Zykotec

        If you were right, I think Ford should definitely get a refund on this advert since it keep mentioning the fitment issues.
        VW seems to get a lot more of its moneys worth from European car ‘journalists’ . Maybe Ford is cutting costs at advertising too?
        He clearly states ‘if you can live with these imperfections’, more or less meaning, you cound’t sell this in Europe ,period. ‘ and loads of people in the US will not be able to live with those either.
        If people are willing to pay that much for a Ford, that’s their problem, but tbh one of the reasons I owned a lot of Fords in the past were exactly the fact that they were cheaper than the competition , but had issues I was willing to live with.

      • 0 avatar
        baggins

        The review spends most of the time slamming the build quality, also mentions poor fuel economy and sluggish acceleration.

        Hardly an Advertorial

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    I might also note, for the same price you’re in a new F-Pace Premium with a 3.0 supercharged engine packing 340HP, and AWD.

    http://rules.config.jaguar.com/jdx/en_us/f-pace_k17/3c6t9/a-30p-340aawd_a-crossover_jt1/jdxexterior.html

    Panoramic roof – standard.
    Heated steering wheel – standard.

  • avatar
    ajla

    That exterior build quality is really poor.

    And I’m an FCA owner.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      I think there’s a branch-off of the VAG Anonymous group for people like you who need support.

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        The Charger’s exterior fit and finish isn’t that bad actually. The doors and hood are slightly misaligned, but not nearly as bad as pictured here on this Edge.

        Now, my interior is a horror show. I think the rock-hard plastic trash can interior of the ’06-10 generation wears better.

        • 0 avatar
          nickoo

          Dodge can’t line up trunk lids to save their life. I cringe every single time I pull up behind a charger or challenger. I don’t get it at all, can it really be that hard?

  • avatar
    dal20402

    My C-Max, at $10,000 less before (considerable) incentives, is much, much better put together than this.

    Whichever Ford plant is building the Edge needs to be slapped around a bit.

    The continued use of the 2.0T in such heavy vehicles when the 2.3T exists is also a product planning failure.

    • 0 avatar
      davefromcalgary

      I love a good 2.0 T in something the size of the Verano, Escape, etc but not in something like the Edge.

      Edge class size should have a 6

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      At least they took the 2.0T out of the Explorer.

    • 0 avatar
      HotPotato

      Well…my C-Max makes creaking noises around turns, adds another ominous driveline noise every month, and was delivered from the factory with a dent under each front door handle as if something inside the door was overtightened…and the dealer has never shown interest in fixing any of these things (“they all do that”). That said, perceived quality is otherwise excellent, with quality materials precisely assembled…and of course there’s the reassuringly Germanic way it goes down the road.

      Now the Mustang I rented…you could almost put a pinky in the interior panel gap on one side of the console.

      Ford today is the VW of the 1990s. The cars drive fantastic, look great (especially inside), and are priced semi-reasonably…but the engineering, assembly, and dealer experience all have, shall we say, room for improvement.

  • avatar
    30-mile fetch

    I’m not going to holler about this rig costing $47K and being equipped with a four cylinder. It has a lot of equipment, can be had with two larger motors–one of which is very quick–and can be had for far less if you choose a trim not named after a semi-precious metal. 8 seconds to 60 is more than quick enough to keep up with traffic without feeling breathless and for a good number of people that is enough. Those people will probably get better fuel economy as well. Want more oomph? Add a measly $600 to your $40K rig and get the V6.

    At $47K I would probably want better fit and finish, particularly on the weather stripping. That leaves a bad residue in the mouth of just about any buyer. But, regarding the photographed misalignment of the outer window sill trim–my Lexus-grade 1996 Camry had the same misalignment and to the same degree. It’s personal bias but I get dust and pollen and crap all over my car driving it around town and that tends to look worse than a trim misalignment. I’m not the guy you see hand washing his commuter every Sunday morning.

  • avatar
    ajla

    The Edge Sport starts at $40K, the MKX AWD 3.7L starts at $41K, and the MKX AWD 2.7EB starts at $43K.

    So spending $47K on a 2.0EB Titanium requires being a press car.

  • avatar
    dukeisduke

    “The EcoBoost mill doesn’t deliver on its promised fuel economy, either. It’s estimated fuel consumption is 20 mpg in the city and 30 mpg on the highway, for a combined 24 mpg, according to the Environmental Protection Agency’s five-cycle test. After a week of evenly mixed city and highway driving, my average came out to 21 mpg — somewhat disappointing.”

    I’ll rant about fuel economy. Since the Feds have this idiotic Renewable Fuel Standard, and since Ethanol is mandated as an oxygenate in some places, the EPA should be forced to publish fuel economy numbers for both real gasoline, and for this sh*tty E10 fuel. Thanks to E10, I’ve never been able to get fuel economy close to the EPA numbers.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      E10 reduces your fuel economy by just under 5% compared with straight gasoline. It’s not going to explain a massive miss. That’s more likely driving conditions or driving style.

    • 0 avatar
      Sigivald

      I meet (city) or exceed (highway) EPA numbers in my XC70, and all the fuel here is E10.

      (And did the same in my Corolla, too.)

      Like dal said, the issue here’s not the trivial loss from 10% ethanol (E85 would be another matter).

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Speaking of fuel economy, anybody seen this yet?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/2018-ford-expedition-lincoln-navigator-153500241.html

    Good lort, it’s like a Tonka school bus.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      It’ll probably get better fuel economy than this Edge. Also, that is a rendering, not the actual vehicle.

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        With the Expedition revealed looking like this in production format, I have greater concern for the looks of the Navigator than I did before.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          The Navigator will look like the concept without the trick doors/bleacher entry.

        • 0 avatar
          whynot

          We already know what the Navigator will look like. Just take the recent concept and apply real doors to it.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Yep. Done and done. The Expedition will just look like an F150 SuperCrew with a wagon body. It’s not like there is much to change.

          • 0 avatar
            Drzhivago138

            “The Expedition will just look like an F150 SuperCrew with a wagon body.”

            Back to 2002, it seems. Which is not a bad thing, IMO. There’s no reason a full-size SUV based on a full-size pickup shouldn’t share most of its exterior tooling with the pickup.

    • 0 avatar
      whynot

      I…like it? Reminds me of the Excursion.

      I know its a speculative rendering but the front matches the prototypes.

  • avatar
    427Cobra

    I have a ’13 Edge Limited. I came out of an ’04 Saturn Vue. The Edge has a comfortable, quiet ride. Forward visibility is decent. Rearward/side visibility is poor… mostly due to headrests obstructing the view. I have the 3.5L V6. In the Edge, it feels sluggish… probably due to the weight of the vehicle. My ’04 Saturn Vue had the Honda 3.5L V6… what an engine… smooth as silk, quick, economical, and trouble free. I could set the cruise on 80 & get 26 mpg (or better) all day long. The Edge is hampered by weight (I believe). While it imparts a comfy ride, it hampers fuel economy. The best I’ve ever done is 24 mpg. While many bemoan the MyFordTouch system, I’ve found it to be extremely capable. Yes, it’s occasionally a little sluggish to respond, but I’m amazed at what it can do… and it’s fairly easy to use. I considered getting the Sport with the 3.7L V6, but it didn’t feel any faster than the 3.5L, and the 22″ rims, while looking great, would make things pricey when it came time to replace tires. The Vue was a great vehicle, but suffered from a cheap, plasticky interior & plenty of road/wind noise. Still, I think I preferred it to the Edge… this coming from a committed Blue Oval fanboy…

    • 0 avatar
      brn

      One thing about going from something like a Saturn Vue to something smooth and comfortable is that it may not “feel” fast. My car doesn’t “feel” fast, but it pulls onto the freeway better than anything I’ve ever owned and you could fall asleep at 100mph.

      On the other hand, I recall driving a Pontiac Sunfire that “felt” like it was lightening fast, but got it’s rear kicked by a 115hp Probe.

      • 0 avatar
        427Cobra

        true enough… the “butt-meter” does factor into the equation. But the Vue WAS a much lighter vehicle. It felt “light on its feet”… and it was a screamer- 7 seconds 0-60. I think a lot of it has to do with the transmission programming on the Edge- definitely slanted toward fuel economy. The Edge DOES ride & handle nice, but you DO feel the additional weight when you push into a curve. I’m glad I leased it… and that the lease is up in a few months. One of the things I’ve discovered is that I don’t care for all of the safety technology. Bells, beeps, bongs, & flashing lights go off all the time- I find it very distracting. The BLIS system is ok… and somewhat necessary given the visibility issues. The collision warning system is a little overly sensitive for my tastes. The cross-traffic alert… I’m ok with. The adaptive cruise could use some refinement… have had too many instances where, going around a curve on the freeway, the radar picks up the car in the next lane & slams on the brakes. The panoramic roof… I never use. The power liftgate… same. Unfortunately, I had to take a lot of options I didn’t want to get the options I DID want. I probably would’ve been better off with a base model, & adding an aftermarket stereo system. Lesson learned.

        My needs are simple… I want a comfortable/quiet ride, good air conditioning, and a good stereo.

  • avatar

    The accordian weatherstripping always separates or disappears completely on the Vista Roofs of FoMoCo cars, regardless of model or factory.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Did you just use an Oldsmobile term to describe a large sunroof?

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        Also I need to show you a Lincoln while you’re here, 28.

        https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5582350605.html

        Only 40 minutes from me. :(

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          Oh, man that is sweet. It even has the handicapped license plate.

          Is this the end of the Cadillac?

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I need people to convince me it’s a bad idea, and this Town Car will be less reliable than me 4.9 Deville!

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Reliable or not, your DeVille is just a nicer car than that LTD Crown Victoria Brougham.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I always liked the upright styling of those Town Cars, ever since seeing them in every 80’s movie where an “executive” or “celebrity” was featured.

            Parked in the garage next to a quad headlamp ~88 Grand Marquis (graphite with landau) this morning in remarkable condition. It’s so much longer than my Deville.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            The styling is really classic Brougham. It’s too bad the car under it is so bad. Lousy interior build (and this from the same company that brought us the indestructible ’70s Lincoln interiors just a few years before), typical Panther nautical driving qualities, and the sorry transmission.

        • 0 avatar
          NoGoYo

          You’d better take that in for a trans teardown and thorough examination, AODs have some cheap sh*tty components inside that can fail.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Yeah, I would have two main concerns with this – electrics and AOD.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I wouldn’t be too concerned about the electrical system as much of the car isn’t electrical per se. I also think 88 is multiport and the computer I think is generic at least for all Panthers should you need one. Those transmissions though were junk.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            Yes the early AODs had their problems but by 88 they were one of the most durable transmissions you could get. The only problem is the TV bushing a quick 2 minute fix. Otherwise have it properly serviced which means draining the torque converter too with its included drain plug.

            All around it will be more durable, less problematic and cheaper to maintain and repair than the Caddy.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Nah, had the Fat Panther with the 5.0 already and it was a major PITA. I can’t imagine the earlier generation was better… now if this was 2005 again I might bite but now that’s just an old ass car with old ass problems. If I am doing Ford 302/DOA again, I think it needs to be a Foxy VII (which have their own issues, er charms).

          I would take a decent 4.9 over this Panther, but that’s just me.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I feel better! Now, other thing drawing me attention.

            https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/5570202795.html

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            Yea, I’d have to agree with 28 here. That Lincoln is a cool car, but clean 4.9L Cadillac > clean 4.9L Panther Town Car.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            28 likes it, and the Church will bless it.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I emailed for a gauge clustser and driver’s seat pic – it’s 2-3 hours away from me in middle of nowhere Indiana.

            But – that’s a price reduction over the $2800 or something he was asking before.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            He’s got is listed as a 5 cylinder [!].

            This to me was a $1500 car ten years ago, today nobody wants this and younger buyers probably don’t even know what it is exactly. Better check underneath and around the wheel wells for rot too.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Yeah I’d check it out carefully. It looks cleaner than you normally see, and doesn’t appear to have trim issues.

            He’s also got it as a sedan, so if he searched for “5-cylinder buick sedan” KBB would have told him to go away.

            I need to show these young people the cars of their childhood, two-tone and all.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I’d be more enamored with it if it had the half moon roof and opera lights.

            You’re nothing without opera lights.

            …on second thought, steel roof is probably better long term, but maybe the wiring is there though for the lights?

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I didn’t care for the vinyl roof on these, unless it’s white on red interior which of course is a ridiculous parked outside proposition.

            Are you sure opera lamps were an option? I’m looking at pics of this gen with landau, and none have opera lamps.

            I have ALWAYS liked the lines on these.
            http://rivowners.org/features/evolution/images/92_93/92_93_1.jpg

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I have removed opera lamps from landau roof equipped examples, they were offered at one time or another. The “R” on the sail panel is a glue on lamp with a 3 or 4 inch plastic extension which connects to wiring in the car.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Can’t find pic example, grr. That one would look sharp with some polished T-Type dish wheels on it.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I agree, or later Riv wheels.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Well he replied to my email, and didn’t bother to address my pics question at all.

            “Everything works accept radio. The seats are in great shape. No leaks. A.c. works”

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Those “accept radios” never work right. MY92 should still be R12 as well in the A/C which is good in some ways but not others. Series I under da hood…

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            If he can’t address my pics inquiry (maybe he’ll reply later), I’m not sure it’s worth bothering.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Where are you putting this one?

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Likely it would take the place of the Cadillac in the driveway.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I’m sorry Dave I can’t let you do that.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Who’s Dave?!

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            youtu.be/ARJ8cAGm6JE?t=62

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Ahh, it’s been years.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            If you wanted you could go look at it but I don’t want to see you go car poor.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I will wait and find one that’s not so far away, with a seller who’s responsive. No hurry.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Those are tough to find clean but when found are generally not a popular option at this point. Personally I’d look for a Toro over an E-body Riv.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Oh I most definitely like the Toro better, but they’re harder to find – I think they sold much more poorly. As well, the owners seem to have Rare Purple Car syndrome about them when they do show up. And I think all the Trofeo models were afflicted with CRT.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Many a purple Toro I have seen, not sure why. I think it depends on your budget, if your price range is $37 than yes a clean Toro is a mirage. But if you want to step up and spend a little, Toros are out there and they are not the collector’s items owners think they are.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I have this little fantasy like it’s one of those cars where you see one parked in front of a house randomly (on a road you don’t normally use), and the wife of the original owner is finally selling it for $3000 and it has 50,000 miles. She doesn’t know the Internets.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oldsmobile-Toronado-Trofeo-/301957964353

            Ahhh I want that one because white wheels.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Oooooo, Trofeo. See that’s what you need to look at.

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            The Toro beats all. Maybe an Olds Touring Sedan or LeSabre T-type comes close.

            You’ve got a pretty sweet Cadillac already, I wouldn’t dump it unless the right replacement comes along.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Thanks, I’m not especially looking to dump it.

            I am presently concerned I’m losing coolant somewhere, and can’t tell where. I have to remember to keep checking the level when it’s cold and make sure. They did a pressure test and said all was good, but I’m still smelling something while driving occasionally which smells like coolant.

            Touring Sedan is LEGIT (or LSS) and I would have no qualms with replacement there.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I agree with ajla.

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            Hey Corey-

            If you haven’t already, check out GM part number 3634621. They are coolant supplement tablets for the older GM engines that heavily used aluminum. On the OHV stuff, you drain your radiator, fill it halfway, crush up the tablet (the 4.9L takes 6) and top off the radiator.

            I know it sounds janky, but I’ve used them with my 4.5L and my N*. It is actually the official GM procedure, here is what the service manual for my Seville says (the 4.6L only takes 3 tabs):

            “This engine uses DEX-COOL and GM coolant supplement (sealant) P/N 3634621 specifically designed for use in aluminum engines. Failure to use the engine coolant supplement (sealant) and the approved coolant/antifreeze could result in major engine damage. When refilling the cooling system, add three pellets of the engine coolant supplement sealant GM P/N 3634621 to the lower radiator hose.”

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Thanks, I read about the tablets, just wasn’t sure how many to use. As well, I feel like just “topping up” the coolant is a bad idea because it will throw the balance of tablets and liquid off that’s already in there?

            I need to be more methodical about checking the reservoir level now that I’m suspicious and there’s no pressure issue. Checking it cold vs warm, and when I’m parked at a slight angle in my driveway isn’t doing me any favors.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @ajla

            That’s correct on the tabs, but I wasn’t aware they were necessary on later Northstars.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            You’re supposed to change coolant every few years, leaving 17 year old coolant in a weird GM alum block with iron heads doesn’t seem wise to me.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Lol, it’s been serviced not -that- long ago, silly. In 2009 he had it done with the water pump. He wrote it in marker near the tank.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Yes but how many tabs were used, if any?

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I have the service record. Have to check it later. Could that in theory be causing a slow coolant leak issue, if the tablets balance is off/not existent? You’d think that would show up in a pressure test. Visually it looks fine, not goopy etc.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I’m honestly not sure. IIRC the tabs are supposed to keep the aluminum from flaking off in the coolant due to the wrong pH in 90s era green coolant or something to this effect (Chemistry class was 18 years ago).

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            I’m going to be scientific, and check it when cold, weekly. Perhaps mark the tank with dry erase.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        Ford calls it a “Power Panoramic Vista Roof”.

        • 0 avatar
          GS 455

          With that Riv for sale I notice they only show pics of the back seat, part of the passenger seat and passenger door. That usually means the driver’s seat is hacked up and stuff is falling off the door. The leather on these Rivieras isn’t very durable.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            Yeah, made me suspicious as well. But when asked for pictures, the seller flat-out ignored the question. So forget all that!

            Was the leather of considerably lower quality than the Cadillac leather?

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      Mr. Car Dealer, did you ever have experience with the Liberty with full canvas roof? How do those do?

      Lady at work here has one, I have never been close enough to it to see the quality.

  • avatar
    jdmcomp

    A Merc GLC is similar in pricing and weighs some 500 lbs less. Would you drive a Ford when you could drive a Mercedes?

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      I don’t think anyone actually buys a $47,000 2.0T Edge. Most 2.0T Edges will be leased for less than $300/month.

      • 0 avatar
        Sigivald

        Winner, yes. The *base model* Edge has the 2.0T.

        Getting one on the Titanium trim but not buying a luxury model for the same or less money is … well, who’s gonna do that?

        (Maybe corporate buyers with a “no luxury marques” policy?)

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      This is the “We’re Pricing Our Vehicles Like Audi” strategy that Ford rolled out starting in approximately 2011.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        You and I both know that almost all manner of Edges are leasing for $250-$400/month with $0 down and the MSRP doesn’t mean sh!t. Plus, no dealer is going to have a $47K Edge 2.0T on their lot. Their $47K cars are Explorer/Edge Sports, F150s, SuperDutys, etc. They aren’t dumb.

        • 0 avatar
          DeadWeight

          With select few exceptions, Ford has gone full retard on pricing, and it’s inevitably going to come back to bite them hard (cue the chorus of the Tulip bulb society’s “but they’re doing great now.”).

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            DeadWeight never met a conceivable crash, collapse, or disaster he didn’t like.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Their pricing is fine for the vast majority of things. It’s all the options in certain trims. The Edge SE and SEL still trade for very reasonable prices that make up a significant portion of Edge sales.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Keepin’ it real, yo!

            (You’d be surprised to learn how much I know about having a high status title, while working 60 to 70 hours a week, with zero quality of life and a massive pile of deadlines and stress, only to make the truly wealthy, who pay a-little-to-15%-or-20% effective tax rate and “work” $300/bottle of wine lunches, while you and I pay 26% to 35% – because capital is taxed at 1/2 the rate or less than labor (physical, mental or any kind), which is why you should be among the first to acknowledge/recognize how unstable the system is. Why do you not see the Matrix, Neo-Dal?)

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            And it’s not really realistic anyway. On the C-Max, MSRP was $37600 and the dealer quickly went down to ~$33500 before applying any incentives.

            DeadWeight… You pretty much described the life of most of my coworkers. My practice is in a different subject matter area that involves about 1/4 as much enrichment of rich people, but features all the same stress. But I don’t see that making the system particularly unstable. It always gives the rest just enough to forestall revolution. Perhaps I should go full retard Ted Cruz/Ayn Rand in my politics to encourage a real collapse.

            On second thought… nah, I like being able to pay my mortgage.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            So you’ve finally snapped, Mr. Anderson?

    • 0 avatar
      TrailerTrash

      The problem here is the reality of the pricing being tossed about.
      I know what I am talking about.
      I posted below.
      I have experience driving these around testing with friends purchasing.
      The ecoboost SELs we saw had everything most folks were looking for…back up cam, nav etc…and they were ALL around 32,33K. We saw nothing above 35 in all the cars we were looking at and the dealers were stumbling over themselves with offers to go lower.
      So WTF is this guy talking about at 45 and higher?

      I posted the AutoTrader site with the examples.

      And I am sorry…but unless you know how to drive turbos and keep the foot from testing the low end power they do the MPGs.
      I have a 2.0 Escape right now today with an ave 27 mpgs showing.
      This is friggin real. Yes..with premium…but that is still very good for that awesome power in the little SUV.

      So what gives here?

    • 0 avatar
      ponchoman49

      After spending a day in a GLC I would probably take the Ford actually as brand names mean nothing to us and the driving experience is everything. Besides braking, decent interior material quality and nice ride quality this Mercedes was the single most disappointing SUV/CUV I have every driven to date with overall mileage at around 20 which is 1 LESS than this Ford, 8 second 0-60 times which are no better, turbo lag up the rear, premium fuel is required(why?), controls are both stupid, confusing and downright obnoxious, it lacked many features, the bluetooth sucked royally, low beam headlight performance sucked, the cup holder sucked except for the ones in the doors which will hold a 2 -liter soda surprisingly, the std radio is lackluster in sound quality, the 2.0T engine sounded like a diesel outside the vehicle and the radio/climate controls are the most poorly executed in my 30 plus years of driving.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Meh. Wait till the lease deals show up. :-)

  • avatar
    Davekaybsc

    If the exterior build is that sloppy, the interior build probably is also. You might not notice it with a brand new presser, but I’ll bet by year three it’s a complete rattle trap.

    That 2.0T engine is a joke. I drove a 2.0T Fusion Titanium, a car that weighs much less than this, and booted it in sport mode. That “240hp” feels more like 200, and I don’t buy the torque figures either.

    These little turbo fours are a con for gaming the EPA numbers and nothing more. Their real world fuel economy is no better than a V6, say an Accord V6 that hits 60mph about 2 seconds faster than the Fusion 2.0T does.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      I’ve noticed that you’ve been on a righteous roll of realism lately, and two thumbs up!

      Let the dumb money – tossed out casually by the Darwinian Disadvantaged get evaporated in this Great Petri Dish of a Market, I say.

      • 0 avatar
        Davekaybsc

        I just call ’em like I see ’em. The folks in charge at Cadillac don’t have two braincells to rub together, and the QC at Ford has been in the toilet for years, and shows no signs of improving. Whether it’s the Escape or the Focus or the MKC, Ford can’t seem to get their first (or second) MYs out without enormous problems, and pretty much every review I’ve seen of the Edge including KBB’s Youtube review IIRC has noted horrible exterior panel fit, weather stripping issues, mis-fit interior panels, etc.

        This isn’t 1986 anymore, you don’t need to be Lexus to get your panels to fit properly. Some QC heads need to roll.

        • 0 avatar
          JimZ

          “I just call ’em like I see ’em. The folks in charge at Cadillac don’t have two braincells to rub together,”

          except they actually manufacture things of value.

          while you… you’re some guy who posts on a blog.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Does one need to be a football quarterback to scout NFL talent?

            Need one be a master chef to be a fair & accurate food critic?

            One need not be an auto manufacturer to call Cadillac lost, dazed, confused, mismanaged, and hopelessly drifting on a rudderless vessel in stormy seas.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            since you’ve posted multiple times since I confronted you with CR’s actual ratings in the Land Rover thread, I can assume you don’t care to support your assertions.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            Chill out, brah.

            I checked out CR’s 2015 Annual Guide and it appears that you’re more correct than not.

            Although Ford had a wider variance in reliability (from vehicle model to model) than many automakers, they did improve their overall ranking, and they did fairly well in terms of motors.

            With that said, forgive me if I choose to pit a big asterisk footnote on their most recent transmission and motor reliability rankings per CR you til at least a few years pass.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            DeadWeight,

            I’d be more sympathetic if you hadn’t been making these same claims for years. Yes, there are Ford vehicles which have had problems, and said problems have caused CR to take them off of their Recommended list. But you’ve been very eager to try to claim that those problems are characteristic of the vehicles as a whole. You’re trying to hint that CR ratings say the Ecoboost engines are problematic, when CR’s own ratings say the common problems with Ford vehicles are mostly electrical/electronics, or where the transmission is involved, it’s almost certainly the “weird” DPS6. Yes, Ford vehicles have problems. No, it’s not because engines and transmissions are blowing up.

          • 0 avatar
            Davekaybsc

            They manufacture things of value, that no one wants to buy. Their design language is stale, their interiors are still substandard, they use engines that have no business being in luxury cars, their pricing strategy is ridiculous, and they seem to have an almost pathological inability to respond and react to the market.

            The BMW i8 was a smash hit, while the ELR hit the ground like it was dropped from the Enola Gay. Crossovers are where the sales are right now, and BMW, Audi, and Mercedes were all well prepared. Cadillac is still completely flatfooted in this market, and they’re the ONLY premium brand (not counting Jag or Maserati) to not have more than one for sale. Even tiny, struggling Volvo has two.

            Volvo doesn’t have a hipster coffee shop in SoHo, and they don’t spend all day worrying about brand perception and how Volvo makes you “feel.” They just delivered a world class product, and people are lining up to buy. Imagine! Make a great car that caters to what your customers want, and they’ll buy it!

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            JimZ, I cut you some slack..

            ..but quit being a whiny b!tch FFS.

            p.s. – The Honda HR-V that Alex so lovingly reviewed DOES have WAY BETTER GAUGES than ANY CADILLAC.

    • 0 avatar
      Sigivald

      C&D says the Fusion is .3 seconds slower to 60, not about 2 (and that’s with the AWD system vs. the manual on the Honda; we might be generous and give the Honda another .2 for an automatic, maybe).

      • 0 avatar
        Davekaybsc

        I have no idea where you are getting those numbers. C&D’s last instrumented test of the current V6 Accord was back in 2013. The EX-L V6 coupe with 278/252 and the autobox was good for 0-60 in 5.5. Their test of the 2014 Fusion TItanium AWD with the “240hp” and “270ft.lb” hit 60 in 7.3, so yeah, two seconds slower.

        I’ve driven both of these cars, and the V6 Accord will blow the doors off any Fusion, save that 2.7 version they are cooking up.

        Incidentally, the OLD Duratec 3.0, the one with 220hp, was good for 0-60 in about 7.3 in the first gen Fusion. Progress!!!

  • avatar
    aycaramba

    I haven’t had the pleasure of playing with SYNC3, but man, do the graphics on that screen look like an ATM. Seems like something fresh from 1999.

  • avatar
    slance66

    It’s a good looking car. But after test driving, and pricing with the options I wanted, the value wasn’t there. Really, if you want an Edge, but an Acura RDX. Cheaper and better in every way.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      The RDX really is a standout if you want a soft, comfortable two-row CUV. Can’t compete with the Edge Sport but is pretty good against the rest of the lineup (and the Murano, and V6 Grand Cherokees).

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        I think the RDX is still hurt by the first RDX and all of its problems. That’s what I think of when I hear RDX, is the dated gen 1 with a turbo four that got worse MPG than a V6.

    • 0 avatar
      VW16v

      The rdx and mdx use the rear hatch door as a bumper. Small fender bender could result in thousands of dollars in damages. Wonder how auto insurance rates compare to vehicles with an actual rear bumper?

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        They are the same. Just like the aluminium F150 is basically the same as the previous F150 and current Silverado and RAM.

      • 0 avatar
        S2k Chris

        So? Going to cost me $500 either way. Who cares?

        Insurance isn’t much, BTW (I pay $150/mo for platinum-type coverage on the S2k/TSX/RDX and I don’t know the breakout between them).

        • 0 avatar
          VW16v

          Yes, the deductible would be the same. But, overall I think the rdx and mdx would eventually have a higher rate do to the rear bumper design. I remember years ago there was a study done on low impact fender benders and cost associated with poor engineering. IIHS has bumper costs from low impact under 10mph. No recent studies.

    • 0 avatar
      Nellakwah

      That was my exact thought process last summer when it came down to an RDX vs. Edge Sport. The Edge was quieter and bigger and the 2.7TT is nice, but the RDX was all around just smoother (really do like Honda’s 3.5) and better equipped/warrantied, and when doing the long-term mental math of ownership, it just seemed like a surer bet. Would I love more interior color choices or SH-AWD? Sure, but it’s not a deal-breaker. Maybe on the next gen.

      Didn’t hurt that the Ford dealer had bad service (cars had empty tanks and the guy had to chime during every part of the drive, and of course the “what else are you looking at?” cross-shop playbook so he could criticize the other vehicles). The Acura dealer was top-notch – basically tossed me the keys and said ‘go nuts’ by ourselves. As a car guy, that’s the way to test drive – there is nothing you can tell me that will sway me, the product and your attitude will do that.

  • avatar
    Rnaboz

    My wife has a ’15 Titanium AWD V6. We paid 42k with the friends and family plan. She has put 24k on the car and has averaged 21.5 mpg. The panel gaps are off, especially at the rear lift gate. No faults with the interior bits or weatherstripping. Two things I hate, power lift gate and that there is only one cargo lamp, on the right at floor level(as seen in the photo) one suitcase and total darkness!

  • avatar
    Freddie

    “The six-speed SelectShift automatic with paddle shifters acquits itself quite well, although I didn’t touch the paddles once during my time with the Edge.”

    I don’t get paddle shifters. If the ideal is a real stick shift, then the “+/-” gate on the console shifter at least retains some of the flavor of a real manual but flicking switches on the steering wheel just feels awkward and pointless.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    Ford Fusion and Ford Edge fall into the same category for me.

    “What car do you have available?”

    “We have you in a Ford Fusion.”

    My inner voice –> “YES!”

    Or.

    “We can upgrade you to a Ford Edge, they are very nice.”

    My inner voice –> “YES! Sweet buttery Jesus YES!”

    But would I buy one?

    No, no, no, no, no.

    • 0 avatar
      PrincipalDan

      A colleague had a V6 AWD model from the first generation and then replaced it with a face lifted model from the first year the ecobost 4 was available. She moved to Phoenix but it would be interesting to see if she then snagged a 2nd generation and what engine she decided on.

      Her dream vehicle was always a Lexus RX but I guess the Ford dealer was more willing to deal. She was one of those people who only ever worried about how much the monthly payment was. Nothing else mattered.

  • avatar
    tjh8402

    Holy Jesus $45-50 grand? For a 4 cylinder Ford? when will this segment jump the shark? That $ buys you a nice Mercedes C300. Or, if you need space, a 328i wagon is well equipped at $48k. so is an RX350 if wagons aint your thing. It also gets you a far more capable and more reliably fuel efficient Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland with the diesel. Never mind that a loaded Chrysler Pacifica Limited is also the same price while having a lot more space and versatility, carries more people, and gets better fuel economy. Why people? Why?

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Ford is better than Ford, some BS about “upmarket”.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      “Holy Jesus $45-50 grand? For a 4 cylinder Ford? when will this segment jump the shark? That $ buys you a nice Mercedes C300.”

      HEY MAN, it’s an ecoboost Ford, okay?, and it has a kewl name, and Ford is the bestest (ask Bark, Mark, Alex, Mike Karesh, or any other TTAC staffer, and just because the trim and everything else is falling apart when new at delivery MEANS NOTHING because it’s going to be as reliable as an anvil over 200,000 to 300,000 miles EASY.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        Yes. That *is* crazy money. And I know not all Edges are Titanium, and of course the dealer is going to deal. But still, why are these selling so well?

        I am really impressed at how Ford has gone upmarket with pricing in the last few years, despite the troubles with quality and SYNC.

        • 0 avatar
          86er

          Too many people peer out from their 10+-year old vehicles and evince sticker shock.

          Indeed, Fords have been so successful at going “upmarket” from their plebeian roots that it has made Lincoln’s “revitalization” tenuous.

    • 0 avatar
      tjh8402

      Not trying to be a badge whore here, nor am I intending to criticize Ford’s products. They do make some really nice, upscale feeling cars that I would consider over premium brands. I think the Fusion is a great car and if I didn’t care about having a manual, I would take one over a 320 or 328 BMW in a heartbeat because I think it offers a BMW rivaling drive for a substantial savings. That being said, there are reasons to buy a premium car aside from the brand, and they are worth considering once the price of the mainstream brand approaches the premium one. BMW has a better warranty than Ford – you get an extra year of bumper to bumper plus all your scheduled maintenance is included, so that is a significant cost of ownership expense in BMW’s favor when the cars are close in price. Also, luxury car dealers typically provide hard to quantify in $ but nonetheless real perks. The BMW dealer has a much nicer lounge to wait in while your car is serviced. The Lexus dealer does as well, but that’s kind of a non issue. They’ll come to my house and swap out a service loaner for my car whenever it needs to go in and then swap them out again when the work is done so I never even need to go to the dealer. Again, questionable how much that’s worth but if I can get an RX with that service vs an Edge without for nearly the sam price, why wouldn’t I get the RX? That’s before we consider that this particular Ford is an (according to this reviewer) underpowered 4 cylinder, thirsty for fuel, and afflicted with some questionable build quality. The Lexus, on the other hand, has a far more refined V-6 with the same EPA ratings (that it can be counted on to meet), is nearly a second and a half quicker 0-60, and is not likely to suffer from unattached weather stripping.

  • avatar
    86er

    There is a Farago of Asperger’s on TTAC re: Panel Fitment.

  • avatar
    TMA1

    Every woman driver I know would put her purse right behind the shifter if there’s another driver up front. That glossy black plastic is going to get really scratched up, very quickly. Why they would use a soft glossy material like that on a horizontal surface where people are going to sit things?

    • 0 avatar
      wolfinator

      Why do manufacturers put glossy black plastic ANYWHERE? It looks tacky and cheap when new, and scuffed and gross after two months.

      I abhor shiny plastic on my personal electronic devices – who the hell wants it on a car costing 200x as much?

      I’m baffled that anyone, anywhere ever thinks that looks good. But they must – that stuff has spread through automobiles like leprous sores the last decade.

      • 0 avatar
        DeadWeight

        The shiny or dull silver plastic interior trim is even worse, and has gotten way beyond control.

        It looks awful, especially when used in large, contiguous slabs on or around the center stack or elsewhere.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      DW, I’m surprised you didn’t go after Cadillac for that shiny black plastic. Every car interior they make is slathered in that trash, by far the worst in the industry. Even my old Mazda3 manages to use it in a more restrained and subdued way, and that car came out in 2004.

      The last time I was in a Cadillac, at an auto show, the interior was just covered in smudges and fingerprints, all highlighted by cheap shiny black plastic. Absolutely disgusting!

  • avatar
    r129

    Last year, the 3.5L V6 was a standalone option on the SE, SEL and Titanium for just $425. For 2016, it’s no longer available on the base SE, and it costs $625. Even so, it’s still a relatively inexpensive option for most buyers, and I can’t imagine choosing the 2.0T, especially on a Titanium. I just don’t get the appeal of a turbo 4 in a vehicle like this, and the real world fuel economy is not great.

    My aunt recently purchased an Edge SEL with the V6, leather and panoramic moonroof, and so far she loves it. It cost $33,500, which was about $5,000 off MSRP. At that price and with that level of equipment, I think it is an appealing choice within its class. It was especially surprising to me that a comparably equipped Chevy Equinox cost just about as much after discounting. For my aunt, the final decision came down to the Edge or the Kia Sorento, and it was close. She also checked out the Nissan Murano, which she LOVED the styling of, but she described it as driving “like a Cadillac from the 1970s.”

    • 0 avatar
      baggins

      r129

      Thank you for bringing reality to people comparing an Edge to a Lexus Rx. THe RX MSRP ranges 44 to 60. Your aunt paid 33.5 for her Edge with leather and panoroof.

      10-12K more for an Rx, which is not trivial

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    Ah, yes.

    The EcoThirst.

    I’ve been stating this for a while.

    Even Ford here in Australia have upped their pricing over the past several years.

    I used to joke about the Toyota Tax, so now we have the Ford Levy. Why? Because it’s a Ford.

    It’s funny how many journos are avid’ish Ford fans, like here at TTAC.

    Why? Fords are okay, no better or even worse than some of it’s competitors.

    Does Ford offer value for money overall? Not a chance.

    But, would you buy a FCA product that has inbuilt failures as a design feature?

    GM seem okay, so does most any Asian manufacturer, which are generally better than any Ford product.

    It’s all about perception and marketing. Ford rise in price and followship, even by journos just shows how easily lead they are.

    So how good are their reviews, are the reviews ever tainted by them being biased and looking at Frods through rose coloured glasses.

    • 0 avatar
      30-mile fetch

      “I used to joke about the Toyota Tax, so now we have the Ford Levy.”

      No, dang it. You’ve got to keep the rhyming or alliteration intact. If it’s Toyota Tax then it is Ford Fee. Chevy Levy (so obvious even Don McLean saw it). Mercedes Markup.

      And this review didn’t like the Ecoboost engine and devoted photos and text to the fit and finish problems, so I’m not sure where the Ford bias is.

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        30-mile fetch,
        Maybe I should of expanded my comment. I’m not targeting this article. It’s regarding some previous comments regarding the names of TTAC journos who have stated they have a liking/preference for Ford.

        Ford is a nice brand overall, but I don’t rate it to the prices they charge. I actually own a Ford of sorts, a BT50 pickup, which other than sheet metal changes is a Ford. Ford is below par with Korean/Thai/Japanese built products we receive.

        I grabbed a high end leather pickup that sits just below a Ford Wildtrak Ranger for bling. I bought it for $46k AUD plus on roads and the WildTrak was around $60k at the time. Huge difference for the “Ford Fee”.

        As for the EcoBoost, I do believe they are designed to met CAFE and EPA only. Judging by the FE comments relating to these dehydrated engines one can only assume they did it smarter than VW in thwarting the system. Maybe Ford should be investigated for knowingly producing p!ss poor engines from an FE perspective. A couple of EcoThirsts do have some grunt, but this comes at a cost.

        As I had shown the other day those EcoThirst, aluminium Ford Vunder Trux emit more particulates, that are more dangerous for humans (smaller in size that lodge further into the lungs) than a diesel semi, large tractor, bulldozer, etc.

        The EcoThirst engines are the outcome of poor regulation.

        As for the build quality of this Edge, this doesn’t surprise me. I went down and looked at a new Mustang and it’s build quality was below that of what we are used to here in Australia. Even Thai built Fords are superior.

        This leads me to believe that the US can’t compete effectively. Even with the handouts ($3 000 per vehicle) some (particularly the UAW infested US brands) have difficulty building good quality US made product.

        The non UAW brands seem to fare much better.

  • avatar
    zip89105

    Ouch. Yes, little things can ruin the experience, and if it was mine I’d be p.o.’d too if I found cosmetic issues. As for mpg, it will jump by 5mpg when broken in. I shopped the Edge last November when Ford had their X-plan sale and I also found it pricey. The loaded models are 4400lbs plus the driver, so acceleration will suffer. Ford’s, for whatever reason, are selling at a premium, and they’re getting sold, although in my area I see mostly new Explorer’s. For this kind of coin I’d probably buy another 4Runner.

  • avatar
    TrailerTrash

    OK, Kevin, I guess I will be the standout and call bull.
    I do not know what you are talking about quality and MPG and what is with the Jeep comparison?

    I know. I spent lot of time in this car and “I drove a less pricey Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk. Inspecting its panel fitment and alignment revealed a better finish. (And the Trailhawk was a pretty fun drive.) is pretty lame.
    Was the Jeep a V6? Really cause his makes a difference since the Jeep is a smaller class.

    I drove the Edge 2.0 quite a bit around town and it drove every bit as advertised. It was plenty quick from red lights and damned quiet. Sure, I didn’t take it on the highway ramps or try it fully loaded up mountain roads where I believe most reviewers say it will and does show its weakness. But they all think it plenty powerful in everyday around town drives.
    But don’t try to compare the two. That Jeep has NO CARGO.

    And the Jeep with the 6 has worse MPG by 1 Hwy. So…? It is smaller and has no cargo room.

    I have two ecoboost engines, the 2.0 Escape and the 3.5 MKS. And both do better than the EPA averages. I guess you need to learn how to drive the turbos. You need to learn when to use them and when to say no the the crack addiction and stop laying into the turbos. IF yo do…yo have the power when needed AND the MPGs.

    Now for the price. I test drove my friends around Florid while they were considering the Edge vs the Murano and such. The 2.0s we were looking at had most of the needed equipment and the 2.0 and they were all around 31, 32K.
    I don’t know what cars you guys test, but really search the inventories and talk to the sales folks and you find a decently loaded 2.0 all in the low 30s.

    Here is one and you can find pages full of them…all less than 34K.
    http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2017&zip=34997&keywordPhrases=backup+camera&engineCode=4CLDR&showcaseListingId=424917033&trim1=EDGE%7CSEL&mmt=%5BFORD%5BEDGE%5BEDGE%257CSEL%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&featureCodes=1066&modelCode1=EDGE&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&startYear=2015&makeCode1=FORD&showcaseOwnerId=495115&engineCodes=4CLDR&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=0&listingId=418607708&Log=0

    So what are you talking about? There is no Jeep near this.

    Oh, and here is the recent C&D review of the actual Jeep in the Edge class…the GC V6.

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-jeep-grand-cherokee-v-6-test-review

    It is slow, no cargo room and drinks gas like it is 1975. So, please…the Edge is one heck of a deal.

    • 0 avatar
      ajla

      Not to defend FCA, but Car and Driver’s tests of the nonSport Edge don’t seem much better than the JGC.

      The 2.0EB was considerably slower than the Jeep, although it did have better as test mileage.

      caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-ford-edge-titanium-20t-ecoboost-awd-test-review
      _______________________________
      The 3.5L was slightly slower than the V6 Jeep and got the same 18mpg.

      caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-ford-edge-titanium-35l-v-6-awd-test-review
      ________________________________
      The killer app in the Edge family is the Sport version. I think you’d have to spend big dollars and get an SRT Jeep or QX70 to find a better performing CUV.

      caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-ford-edge-sport-27l-ecoboost-test-review

      • 0 avatar
        TrailerTrash

        good mornin ajla

        no what bothered me was the comparison the writer did when comparing what I presume is the V6 smaller Cherokee vs the much larger V4 ecoboost Edge.

        The V6 GC is a better comparison and it is worse than the larger Edge ecoboost 4 even though a smaller SUV. The GC is even worse still.

        I drove these a lot, as I stated. And other than my fear of the power of a loaded Edge ecoboost 4 up hills, it was a wonderful drive around the city and suburbs…never wanting for power and very quiet and quality inside.

        Me…I have been searching the web for slightly used GCs with the Ecodiesel and am finding them at really nice prices. I love the ecoD in my friends new 1500 truck. He brags be was getting well over 30 MPG on a recent hwy trip.
        I believe him.

  • avatar

    Who wrote this review, and are they in fact British, or merely pretending to be?

  • avatar
    Dave M.

    You could get this $47k Edge for $41k easily.

    “So if you can live with the imperfections, by all means, the Edge is a good choice.”

    And therein lies the rub – for $41k this is level of shoddy assembly is inexcusable. Is the MKX any better? I doubt it, in as they are made in the same plant.

    I don’t want to sound repetitive, but our 2010 Edge was disposed of last December after it’s 3rd breakdown over 3 years. With only 110k miles on it, it needed it’s 3rd fan system assembly (both replacements were FoMoCo). We fled back to the Japanese.

  • avatar
    SC5door

    “The 2.0-liter engine in this Ruby Red model ”

    Except the one shown in the photos is Bronzefire Metallic.

  • avatar
    cwa107

    I had a look at a 2013 a few years back when I was in the market. This was obviously the previous model, which was late in the cycle. I was really surprised to find that the driver’s side rear door was completely misaligned with the front the door. It was even obvious from a difference. I actually had to ask the dealer if I was looking at a demo that had maybe had a mishap — he said it was new with just 17 miles on the clock.

    That was enough to turn me off. Sad to see the fit and finish issues persist. I agree, in this day and age, even at a lower price point, we shouldn’t be seeing these kinds of quality issues on factory fresh vehicles.

  • avatar
    legacygt

    Reviewers complaining about the actual fuel economy from heavy Fords with small ecoboost engines has become like the sunrise. It seems to happen everyday. I would bet that the naturally aspirated V6 would match the ecoboost in real world fuel economy and it might provide a more satisfying driving experience as well. It’s time to call Ford out in a big way on this. Not just a throw-away line in a review.

    Edmunds started to make some progress in this area with a recent test of the F150 with the small ecoboost vs. the naturally aspirated V8. Yes, the V8. And the V8 was about as fuel efficient as the small turbo 4.

    This is not rocket science here. Smaller turbos can be more efficient than larger, comparably powered engines for two main reasons. They can be lighter and they can operate as smaller engines as long as the turbos aren’t spooled up. But both of these advantages disappear when you put an undersized turbo in a heavy car. First, the weight difference is less significant than it is compared to the weight of a smaller vehicle. Let’s say the weight difference is 100 lbs (I know it isn’t but didn’t want to look it up). Well that makes a huge difference in a Fiesta but not that much in an Edge. Second, in order to move the heavy Edge at a reasonable clip the turbo needs to be spooled up most of the time and if the turbo is forcing in more air then the car must also burn more gasoline and that’s the end of the fuel efficiency advantage.

    This started with the first Ecoboost Explorer and continues today. (Note I have no problem with the larger 3.5L ecoboost in these larger cars as it is more appropriately sized for these applications.) They are doing this for one reason and one reason only: CAFE. There’s something about the EPA test cycle that allows these engines to perform much more efficiently on the tests than in the real world. This gambit is hurting the planet and customers and Ford needs to be shamed to the point that they stop this practice.

  • avatar
    ponchoman49

    I wish Ford would just eliminate the 3.5 V6 which is lacking in torque at 250 LBS FT compared to the 280 in the larger 3.7. That would make the V6 both more power and torque than the std 2.0T and help justify the now 625.00 price jump from the base engine. Also where is the 2.0T AWD Edge rated for 20/30? Here in the states its 20/28 from any one I have seen.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    lazerwizard would like this Edge. He could trade his aging Escort for this. I can see what lazerwizard is saying that there is no comparison between Ford quality and crappy Honda. Add some rust and dents and this would be a really quality vehicle. Maybe we have been a little hard on Chrysler. I haven’t see this level of quality in regards to fit and finish since the 70’s. Time for disco to make a come back. I think I will stick with Honda.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Seriously, when I see poor fitting exterior parts and loose door seals on an almost 50k vehicle it makes me wonder what else is wrong. I have not seen this poor of fit and finish on current Chrysler products which have been know in the past for poor fit and finish. The fact that they would allow this to be shipped from the factory without noticing this says a lot about Ford. I have had 2 Ford products in the past and they did not have as poor a finish as this Edge. If Ford keeps this up they will be asking for a bailout. You cannot have this in a global market. This is a repeat of the Big 3 of the past which caused the US manufacturers to lose their market share to the Japanese.


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