By on April 15, 2016

Nazi Volkswagen decal

Volkswagen gets a lot of unflattering press these days, but a faction of the automaker’s fan base seems determined to malign its name even more.

A disturbing subculture exists on the fringes of the Volkswagen fanboy community, and it manifests itself in decals and not-so-subtle window stickers that feature Nazi imagery.

Most normal, reasonable people would want to avoid associating themselves with a man who can claim responsibility for causing the deaths of about 70 million people, but there’s weirdos out there, and some of them are really keen on their Volkswagens. Frankly, it’s as depressing as the atmosphere inside the Fuhrerbunker, circa early May, 1945.

The photo above was sent to us today from a reader in Charlotte, North Carolina. Besides being subject to two recalls, this 2010 Volkswagen CC Sport has other problems to deal with.

As the photo shows, some sinister (or just braindead) owners are plastering the Nazi Eagle carrying the Volkswagen logo onto their cars. The design, called the Parteiadler, was the official emblem of the Nazi Party. The cogs encircling the Volkswagen version are the same as those that surrounded the swastika in ceremonies at the original Volkswagen plant in 1939 (and mirror the pre-WWII  logo). This vehicle and Nazi Germany are intertwined, was the message.

volkswagen 1938

Everyone knows that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler kicked off production of the People’s Car in the late 1930s via nationalized factories and a design sourced from Ferdinand Porsche. The Volkswagen of 2016 can’t help what happened in the past, and makes no historical associations beyond the happy, free-love 1960s.

Pulling this decal stunt means begging for your car to be keyed, or have your ass kicked from here to the Rhineland. These losers should count their lucky stars there’s few remaining WWII vets around to tell them a thing or two.

A fluke, maybe? A one-off? Doesn’t seem like it:

One year ago, a reddit user from Texas asks how to get the Volkswagen/eagle emblem off of his GTI to avoid any parking lot sucker punches that could be coming his way.

“I feel like I’ve made a huge mistake,” he says, before assuring everyone he’s on the up and up. “Just to be clear I am not a Nazi.”

A post on JaguarForums.com from 2011 describes an encounter between a father and a Nazified Volkswagen in a Peterborough, Ontario parking lot:

I have never in my life wanted to put a baseball bat through a persons rear window until today. Both of my grandfathers fought in the war, and were lucky enough to see the end of it. So many didn’t. Some punk a$$ kid puts this sticker on his car. 66 years ago, this kid would have had the snot kicked out of him. And we find this acceptable today? I don’t think so. If I didn’t have my kids with me, I would have had a different story to tell….

A 2008 post from the Volkswagen enthusiast forum VW Vortex asks if anyone has that emblem on their daily driver.

It’s very likely that many people who slapped the eagle on their Volkswagen (or bought one with eagle attached) were ignorant as to the image’s origin, but no one answering this eBay ad from the UK (of all places) would have any doubt as to its Nazi origins.

A quick Google search will turn up tons of hits, with many variations of the eagle/Volkswagen decal being sold through graphics companies and online listings. The Google search also makes it clear where the logo came from.

So, what’s the deal, select Volkswagen owners? Have enough years passed that this has become okay? Is worrying about slave labor and association with concentration camps passé? Or is it all just a joke, like “nuke the whales” t-shirts or Jesus giving the thumbs-up on the cross?

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  • avatar
    Nick 2012

    Idiotic swine. I bet the driver subscribes to MT.

    I’m going watch this footage today and feel better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEfxLTUi8PU

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Do you know why this is happen in America? Because Germans never set their boots on this soil. They never had a chance to get bunch of villagers together in the barn and set it on fire. Or make people dig their own graves and methodically shoot them in the head after making them lay down right on top of their mothers/fathers/children.

      Somewhere in Europe, this decal would cause a group of guys just turn this car over. And if owner would protest, he could lose some thees as well.

      • 0 avatar
        vwgolf420

        Yes, exactly.^^^

      • 0 avatar
        TomHend

        Did you ever wonder why the US was allies with Russia, but the second WWII was over we were mortal enemies.

        You get your history from Hollywood.

        • 0 avatar
          blppt

          Lesser of two evils. Or at least we thought so at the time—“Uncle Joe” rivaled Adolf in the number of his own people he killed.

          • 0 avatar
            Dan

            The view on Soviet mass murder as the lesser of two evils is the product of being 80 years removed from events such that they blend into each other. At the time that wasn’t true whatsoever.

            Consider the beginning of 1939. Not one bomb had been dropped. Wannsee wasn’t a gleam in Heydrich’s eye. No slave labor. No death camps. Hitler wasn’t even a footnote on the all time villains list.

            The Soviets on the other hand were already twenty years of gulags, two mass purges, and a famine into it. They’d already murdered ten million. The useful idiots of the Western left knew all of this because they’d been cheering them on the whole time. Pritt was there at the show trials. Duranty saw the mass graves in the Ukraine. They apologized for all of it. It’s all there in print, in their own words.

            We didn’t side with the lesser evil. We sided with the only evil. That the other guy turned out to be even worse later was pure luck.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            @Dan

            India AD 1857, Amaresh Misra, a writer and historian based in Mumbai, argues that there was an “untold holocaust” which caused the deaths of almost 10 million people over 10 years beginning in 1857. Britain was then the world’s superpower but, says Misra, came perilously close to losing its most prized possession: India.

          • 0 avatar
            blppt

            @Dan by “we thought so at the time” I meant the American public, having Stalin propped up as a bastion of nobility (aka “Uncle Joe”) by our leaders.

          • 0 avatar
            Counterpoint

            The decision to ally with USSR against Germany in WWII had little or nothing to do with how they treated their domestic populations. It was all about alliances. The USA was forced to enter the war when Japan attacked us in 1941. At the time they were allied with Germany and Italy so we had no choice but to declare war on them as well. USSR had already been fighting Germany for 2 years by that point so it was logical to join forces. The enemy of my enemy. Roosevelt had no other practical option regardless of whether Hitler or Stalin was more evil.

          • 0 avatar
            shaker

            The USSR was the other jaw of the ‘vise’ needed to crush Hitler – a marriage of necessity.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Not surprisingly, Dan doesn’t know much about history.

            By August 1939, it was already pretty obvious to people at the time that Hitler was a threat to European stability. The Nazis’ illegal military expansion in violation of Versailles. The invasion of the Ruhr. The Anschluss. The attack on Sudetenland. The alliance with Franco and the use of the Spanish Civil War as a sort of proxy war for the Axis. The futile attempt at Munich to slow it down. All of that prior to the invasion of Poland.

            The Holocaust and the rest of it were horrible, but the Allies went to war with Germany because it was trying to build an empire.

            If you get your history from second-rate war movies, then of course this will surprise you. Internet right-wingers seem to be incapable of getting basic facts straight.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          @TomHend – Worry about yourself, and where you get your history.

          • 0 avatar
            ect

            Counterpoint, the US did NOT declare war on Germany – only on Japan. Roosevelt did not ask for a declaration of war on Germany, because the isolationists who dominated Congress would have refused to pass it.

            Hitler solved the problem by deciding to declare war on the US, in support of his Tripartite Pact ally Japan (and against the advice of his ministers and generals), and persuaded Mussolini to follow suit.

            Congress then passed a resolution acknowledging the declarations of war by Germany and Italy, and that a state of war thereby existed.

            The US never chose to ally with the Soviet Union. When America entered the war, Britain and the Commonwealth, along with the Soviet Union, were already at war with Germany and Italy, and so all of these countries (and others) worked together to defeat the Axis. But Hitler brought them all together.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            JOINT RESOLUTION Declaring That a State of War Exists Between The Government of Germany and the Government and the People of the United States and Making Provisions To Prosecute The Same

            Whereas the Government of Germany has formally declared war against the Government and the people of the United States of America: Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Government of Germany; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States.

            -December 11, 1941
            http://www.legisworks.org/congress/77/publaw-331.pdf

            The authority to declare war belongs to the Congress, per Article 1 Section 8. The president is the commander in chief but does not have the authority to declare war.

  • avatar
    Pch101

    I’m normally not inclined to vandalize cars, but I could make an exception for this sort of thing.

    That being said, I’ve never even heard of this until now. I can’t imagine that this is anything close to commonplace.

    • 0 avatar
      Nick 2012

      I’m sure if the owner’s Nazi – themed decal was defaced, the local PD would make it their number one priority to find the culprit.

    • 0 avatar
      rev0lver

      Agreed. Both my grandfathers fought in Europe and I’d gladly remove that back window.

      My wife’s grandfather was a real badass in WWII. He was a member of the Devil’s Brigade and very likely did some very gruesome things.

      • 0 avatar
        Nick 2012

        My grandfather carried the squad’s BAR over the Rhine until he took a few rounds and was an involuntary guest of the Reich for a year until liberated by the Soviets. I tried to visit the POW camp he was held at when in Germany, but couldn’t make the travel to/from fit with the schedule.

        He went on to have 8 kids and run a major business, but gave heavily and anonymously to his church and a disabled children’s center. They truly were the greatest generation.

        • 0 avatar
          rev0lver

          “They truly were the greatest generation”

          Amen. My grandfathers never talked to me about their time over there but I did have a great uncle who was shot by a sniper in the Netherlands. In the early 2000s they named a street after him there. I plan on visiting some day.

    • 0 avatar
      qfrog

      A can of blue plastidip aerosol would make for an interesting temporary shaming. Tag the car in multiple places with the star of David.

  • avatar
    PeriSoft

    Well, this makes me Führerious.

  • avatar
    ToddAtlasF1

    England of all places? https://ukmediawatch.org/2012/04/01/brainwashing-children-to-hate-israel-the-palestine-solidarity-campaign-way/ Their love of antisemitism is such that they’ve filled their cities with Israel’s enemies out of the stupid statesman’s belief that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. They’ve been so indoctrinated through the years that dressing up as nazis is a national pastime, whether it be at a ‘fancy dress party’ like the royals go to as nazis, or at an S&M dungeon like Max Mosley.

  • avatar
    DougD

    I’d put it about 90% down to ignorance, same as me wanting a Confederate flag licence plate when I was 16 because it was cool on the General Lee.

    At least I hope it’s ignorance. I believe that in North America the whole Nazi thing is overused (Safety Nazis, our Government is Nazi etc.) which frankly dilutes the horror of what that actually means.

    You are right with the aging of the WW2 generation there are far fewer people with direct Nazi experience. My Mom had 6 years of Nazi occupation experience and assures me that the current situation is nothing like that.

  • avatar
    burgersandbeer

    It would shock you how little some people know about history. I would like assume ignorance over malice, but then I don’t know how you find that decal without first knowing what it is. Very odd.

  • avatar
    mustang462002

    I’ve seen multiple japaenese imperial flags on JDM car. Talk about flunking basic history in high school. The japanese kept horrible prisoner of war camps and committed genocide against hundreds of thousands of people. Anyone with a japanese imperial flag risks getting his ass kicked by someone that did not flunk high school history.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Funny how any symbology of a regime which murdered millions can be tolerated

      http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/2776332372_872e64f625.jpg

      https://img.rt.com/files/oldfiles/news/russian-flag-hunt-in-latvia/car.jpg

    • 0 avatar
      ToddAtlasF1

      You can get elected president of the United States without knowing Japan’s role in WWII, or at least without caring about it.

    • 0 avatar
      carlisimo

      The rising sun flag was Japan’s war flag and naval ensign. For most other purposes, including as the nation’s official flag, Japan was using the current one (the red sun without any rays) throughout the war.

      But it’s a little different from nazi symbols in that the rising sun flag was a cultural symbol in use in Japan before they went bad, and it remained in sometimes-benign use afterward (their naval “self-defense” force still uses it). So not all of its time in existence was terrible, which you can’t really say about the swastika in Germany.

      It’s hard to find a symbol that hasn’t occasionally represented evil. Ask the Native Americans what they think of the American flag – that was genocide, pure and simple. The rest of us don’t care because better things have happened under the same flag.

      Likewise, if the Confederate flag (or their war flag that usually gets mistaken as the Confederate flag) had lasted decades and positive changes had happened during that time, there would be less animosity towards it.

  • avatar
    carguy

    Maybe they could just tone it down and adopt the “Make VW great again” slogan instead?

    Or maybe deny that its a hate symbol altogether and claim that it is just honoring their heritage?

    • 0 avatar
      NoID

      I can hear it now…

      “The Parteiadler isn’t about the Holocaust, it’s about Deutch pride! The War wasn’t fought for the enslavement and annihilation of the Jews, it was primarily a response to the unfair resolution of The Great War and the German people’s strong desire to regain their strength and sovereignty. I don’t display it as a symbol of hate, I display it as a symbol of where I came from and the strength of my forefathers.”

      Save it.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        As a Jew who often works with Germans, I am deeply impressed by the German government and vast majority of German people who have avoided this sort of repugnant garbage since the war. They are almost universally regretful for Nazi activities and the parts played by their ancestors, and vigilant in not enabling similar traumas.

        • 0 avatar

          I’ve found the same to be true. When I worked at DuPont the company bought Hoechst, a German paint company, and we had an influx of Germans in the lab. The extent to which they tried to avoid offense over my religion was almost humorous.

          That being said, there’s some truth to the statement that Europe will never forgive the Jews for Auschwitz. Jew-hatred is more deeply entrenched in many European cultures than anti-black racism is in the United States. It certainly has a longer history.

          Jew-hatred (I generally refuse to use the term “anti-semitism” as it was coined by a Jew-hater, Wilhelm Marr, trying to put a nice face on his hatred) is an existential reality and makes so little sense in so many of its occurrences that I believe it has supernatural implications.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “supernatural implications”

            Expand on that please.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Supernatural – like the album by Carlos Santana. Do you think it’s coincidence that the ‘Santana’ is VW’s best selling car in China?

            Everything is connected.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          …said German regret over Nazism also probably has something to do with the fact that it was RUINOUS for Germany. Hitler led the country over a cliff, and the German people were among his eventual victims. Every major German city was bombed into a steaming pile of rubble, and the Russians, who were practically as bad as the Nazis, ended up occupying half the country for almost 50 years.

          I truly believe Germans are ashamed of what happened under Hitler, but I’m sure they’re also resolved to never be that stupid again. Ditto for the Japanese.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        Städte rights.

        • 0 avatar

          While oikophobia is to be expected in your case, that’s a disgusting and inappropriate analogy.

          Though, come to think of it, the people who were defending racism based on state rights were on the left, just like the National Socialists.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Your “knowledge” of politics is so lacking that it’s actually comical to read your replies.

            Unfortunately, that involves laughing at you, not with you.

          • 0 avatar

            Ronnie is correct.

            The NYTimes began to recast the Nazi narrative as “right-wing” as early as 1946.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            If you guys would spend less time reading lame blogs and more time learning about political science, then it would be obvious why Nazism was a right-wing movement.

            The funny thing is that German conservatives understand that it was, which is precisely why they formed the Christian Democrats after WWII in order to keep the right-wing fringe out of power. They believed that conservatives were in a better position to suppress the extremists on their side of the fence; when the only resistance to Nazism came from the far left, it only helped the Nazis come to power.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Learning and being indoctrinated aren’t synonymous.

            This Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away

            By: Kitty Werthmann

            What I am about to tell you is something you’ve probably never heard or will ever read in history books.

            I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected him by a landslide – 98% of the vote.. I’ve never read that in any American publications.

            Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.

            In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed.. We had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.

            Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they
            didn’t want to work; there simply weren’t any jobs. My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people – about 30 daily.

            The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna , Linz , and Graz were destroyed. The people became desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.

            We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany , where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn’t have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group — Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria . We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.

            We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.

            After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.

            Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn’t support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.

            Hitler Targets Education – Eliminates Religious Instruction for Children:

            Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school.. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn’t pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang “Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles,” and had physical education.

            Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail. The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.

            My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn’t
            do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun – no sports, and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home . I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.

            Equal Rights Hits Home:

            In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn’t work, you didn’t get a ration card, and if you didn’t have a card, you starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn’t have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.

            Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps.
            During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys.
            They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat.

            Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.

            Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:

            When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your
            children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children.. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

            Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls:

            Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna . After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government.
            The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn.

            There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

            As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

            We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands. Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.

            We had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

            “Mercy Killing” Redefined:

            In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps. The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause home sickness.

            As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.

            The Final Steps – Gun Laws:

            Next came gun registration.. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

            No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

            Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria . Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism.

            Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.

            It’s true..those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

            America truly is the greatest country in the World. Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away,

            “After America , There is No Place to Go”

            I see the modern left as varying from Nazis only in their internationalism. If you think nationalism was the Nazis defining characteristic and everything else they did was fine, then I suppose it makes sense to support the people that want a boundlessly powerful state that oppresses its own people first. Otherwise, the whole Nazis as having anything in common with American conservatism is a complete canard used so evils can be repeated by exactly the same kind of people that were denying accountability to a higher power in the early 20th century.

          • 0 avatar
            Sloomis

            It’s “the left” that favors racism and “state’s rights”? That’s news to anyone in the real world.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Thanks for hijacking yet another topic for yet another pro-right wing diatribe, this time courtesy of the president of the South Dakota Eagle Forum, an offshoot of the ultra-conservative think tank Eagle Forum, founded by the notoriously science-hating and conspiracy-loving activist Phyllis Schlafly.

            Todd Atlas = Son of CJ

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            The lame blog thing seems to be an addiction.

            Incidentally, copying the entire (lame) blog article without consent is a violation of copyright law. If you’re going to bang on about the “rule of law”, you could start by obeying it yourself.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            ToddAtlasF1 – didn’t you post that elsewhere?

            We might as well go to that thread and repost the rebuttals.

          • 0 avatar
            Xeranar

            lawlzers Mcbawlzers…..At some point do you really ascribe to what you say or is this an act?

            Basically, the Nazis were authoritarian right-wing conservatives. They wrote legislation that nationalized production for their own benefit. Just because a party calls themselves ‘socialists’ doesn’t make them so. The natural end state of right-wing ideology is totalitarianism, the natural end-state of left-wing ideology is anarchy. Absolute control vs. absolute freedom, neither is functional but there is no mistake, the Nazis were a form of conservative ideology.

            You really can’t ignore the Jim Crow south and Nazi Germany’s similarities in authoritarian control and then not call the South a bastion of conservatism. The simple and easily understood modeling makes these claims of Nazis being on the left completely and stupendously ignorant.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            When is the last time a left wing politician deregulated anything? Privatized anything? I don’t know how you can even fool yourself. Was George Bernard Shaw a right winger? How about Margaret Sanger?

          • 0 avatar
            Zykotec

            There is actually such a thing as left wing fascism, just as there is such a thing as right wing libertanianism, even if both things sound completely self contradictory to me personally. The opposite is also true, and It baffles me that what seems to be the majority of everyone with an internet connection are unable to understand that left/right and totalitarianism/libertanianism are 4 different political directions.
            Europeans seems to think everyone on the right are fascists, and Americans seem to think the left are all fascists, while in the real world, our poitical systems are more equal than most people realise, or will admit. (as are the people tbh)

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            Nope. Fascism is on the right side of the spectrum.

            The dead giveaways that it is on the right are its appeals to tradition and its fondness for militarism and a social hierarchy. The left tends to look toward the future rather than the past (although there have been exceptions to this such as the Khmer Rouge) and promotes the idea of egalitarianism. The Nazis were anything but egalitarian.

            What probably confuses you is that fascism is also includes corporatism. But corporatism is not specific to either right or left. nor is it necessarily totalitarian.

          • 0 avatar
            JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

            Isnt it great to have pch101 around to put everyone in neat little boxes?

            Box 1: left, youre okay, nothing is out of the question.
            Box 2: right, youre all racist homophobic ‘Muricans who drive big trucks, have tiny penises, and dont have a clue therefor you need to be silenced. You focus on tradition, except the parts that dont fit his narrative like Abe Lincoln starting the Republican party or Al Gore Senior voting agsinst the civil rights bill, or Obama’s spirital mentor who openly admits his anti-Jew views, ‘G.D. America’, ‘this time nobody will open the oven doors’, ‘9/11 was America’s chickens coming home to roost’ and so on. Those parts should just be swept under the rug.

            No middle ground, nobody can be conservative and have an opinion or view that should be taken seriously.
            Hitler = Trump. No question. And if you dare vote for someone without a D next to their name, youre in box 2.

            Dont like it? He has childish insults to hurl your way until you bow to his greatness. If he cant formulate a reason why youre wrong, then its more slandering and name-calling.

            What does it say about your position if you refuse to hear anyone else’s?

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            If you guys would learn about these things prior to commenting about them, then there would be less drama around here.

            The idea of right vs. left originated in the 18th century French assembly, when the traditionalists who favored a social hierarchy (in their case, the aristocracy) sat on the right and those who demanded change and egalitarianism sat on the left. The same basic concept applies today, and it’s not a value judgment about one of them being better than the other.

            This stuff is not difficult to learn, but you need to read legitimate neutral sources instead of the tripe that you some of you clowns prefer.

          • 0 avatar
            Xeranar

            Zykotec – No, our ‘4-quadrant’ crap is hilariously broken. I’ve seen some textbooks use it since I started teaching but they very rarely utilize it with any real depth because at the end of the day you up basically using the 4-quadrant as a confusing example when a left-right/capitalist-socialist dichotomy works better.

            So you have left and right wing ideologies. Benefiting the masses leans towards the left, freedom and such. Benefiting a narrower majority over the detriment to a minority leans to the right. Economic systems are really not right or left, they’re capitalist or socialist, private v. public ownership and can have market or directed economies. Nothing about economic models is particularly left or right except in the rudimentary market vs. directed model in which market economies are left and directed economies are right.

            So lets break down some models:

            Soviet Russia – Right-wing communism that espoused left-wing equality. Communism is *Theoretically on the left* but what we understand as actual practiced Communism was just a form of oligarchy/totalitarianism if we’re referring to later leaders or Stalin. They had a right-wing directed economy that relied on the state ownership which is socialist but not market-based, so it is socialism within a right-wing hierarchy.

            Nazi Germany – Right-wing Nationalists who DID NOT espouse a left-wing equality. Instead they espoused extreme white supremacy and right-wing ideology about race superiority and nationalism. They did maintain a market economy to some extent, when the war came it became more directed but people were still allowed private ownership of most facilities with some large industries nationalized to break the back of left-wing unionists. So again, socialism was installed, still market-driven, but VERY Right wing with an extreme totalitarian dictator and Nationalist.

            Sweden: Left-wing Democratic Socialists with a market-based socialist economy. They espouse a public equality and use the government for the benefit of the people. The average person does pay marginally more in taxes than the US does but receives arguably better services for that dollar because of the concentrated population and direct payment vs. tax credit system. Completely market-based, only direct economics are in healthcare and even then doctors and such provide marketized services.

            US: Centrist/Center-left mixed-economy, market-based. The US is really a mishmash of two maybe three VERY Distinct countries. But at the most broad level the United States supports a left-wing freedom and liberty-based culture. How it actually does varies significantly but from an extremely racist past it has made huge leaps forward. The problem has been the juxtapose of extreme free-market capitalism vs. the realities of a free-market system that creates dramatic collapses and soaring highs. The US is a market-based mixed economy, it has distinctly socialist market controls on some elements and limited semi-capitalist approaches on other elements.

            From a practical perspective the Democrats are a mixture of a Green/Socialist Party and a center-left pro-business party. The Republicans are a cultural fascist party that centralized their views around a narrowly defined form of Christianity and ‘free market capitalism’ (which is a misnomer on a number of levels). They are the sole party in the western world that is built like it and has a fair share of power. Their closest allies on the spectrum by comparativists are the National Front in France and Golden Dawn in Greece. These sort of fringe fascist parties that have gained prominence the same way Trump is gaining prominence.

            It doesn’t mean they don’t have a right to exist but being a fascist is kind of bad and in general we’ve found economically their policies are just abject failures. If you’re making 100-300K a year you’re better voting for Hillary Clinton than Trump or Cruz. There is a sad reality that even people like Romney who for the modestly rich sound like a good bet is a terrible one. His policies would create economic downturns for all but the most rich Americans.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I do hope that you aren’t teaching some of that. Right-wing communism is as oxymoronic as left-wing fascism. And totalitarianism can exist on both ends of the political spectrum.

          • 0 avatar
            Xeranar

            PCH – I generally teach it as a left-wing model that lives in theory but almost every instance of it is really a right-wing authoritarian model. Communism is really not much more than a loose collective theory on collective farming and agrarian society.

            The appearances in the USSR have some communist drapings but who we were locked in a cold war with was a classic right-wing authoritarian state with a directed economy. Left-wing fascism is pretty much impossible given the nature of how liberty and freedoms work. You can oppress the oppressors which gets complicated but in theory denying an oppressor the power to oppress isn’t oppressing them.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            “I generally teach it as a left-wing model that lives in theory but almost every instance of it is really a right-wing authoritarian model.”

            That’s discouraging, because you’re wrong and misleading your students by teaching your biases instead of standard political theory.

            The difference between right and left has inherently nothing to do with freedom or the lack thereof. Authoritarians can be on either side of the spectrum.

          • 0 avatar
            shaker

            “18th century French assembly, when the traditionalists who favored a social hierarchy (in their case, the aristocracy) sat on the right and those who demanded change and egalitarianism sat on the left.”

            I guess what is “Left” or “Right” depends on which way you’re facing when in the chamber… /snark

            Every time one of these threads gets going, I lament the glacial pace of human evolution – how thin a layer exists between out frontal lobes and our limbic brains.

            The limbic nature of these exchanges (even when couched in the eloquence of frontal-lobe window-dressing) seems to be the stock-in-trade of the Internet these days, and leaves me no wonder why our political system whips up outrage as its stock-in-tirade (sic).

            I never said that I was immune, I’m constantly fighting the urge to be “hard Left” of “hard Right” (basically giving in to what is easier to live with), but I realize that they’re both sides of the same coin – depending on the barely-suppressed survival instincts of voters to achieve the same thing – political (and thus, economic) power.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Nonsense, Ronnie. Utter nonsense.

            The civil rights acts passed BECAUSE of liberals in the Democratic party and Republican centrists. Look it up.

            Just because Dixiecrat pieces of garbage like Strom Thurmond were Democrats didn’t make them liberal. And most weren’t even Democrats for long. What party did Thurmond die as a member of?

            This is part of the “liberals are racist” trope that some conservatives like to bandy about, and depends on one factor for credibility: the listener’s utter lack of knowledge of U.S. history.

            (Next up: Robert Byrd. Bring it.)

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            “Nonsense, Ronnie. Utter nonsense.

            The civil rights acts passed BECAUSE of liberals in the Democratic party and Republican centrists. Look it up. ”

            Yes. You should.

            Find out who supported it within the Republican Party. AND WHO OPPOSED it – like Al Gore, Sr.

            Know who said, “I’ll have the n_ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years”?

            And after what patronizing, false-premise act he’d pushed?

            Know what party was George Wallace affiliated with for almost all his political life?

            Know what politicians and from what party, fronted for the sheriffs with dogs and the beanery owners with axe-handles and the moronic Klan members?

            Know the HISTORY of the Klan? READ IT.

      • 0 avatar
        baconator

        Yup, this.

    • 0 avatar
      JustPassinThru

      Sloomis: “It’s “the left” that favors racism and “state’s rights”? That’s news to anyone in the real world.”

      Do you know what the conservative Republican Party was FOUNDED ON?

      Abolition of slavery, maybe?

      Do you know what the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision was? It overturned STATES’ RIGHTS to EMANCIPATE slaves taken to non-slave states. That’s what States’ Rights is about.

      You need to read more history. It was States’ Rights which began the slow movement to end slavery. The Southern forces controlled the Federal Government more often than did the Northern Abolitionists; and they ensured that slavery was PROTECTED.

      And National Socialism, Nazism, is SOCIALISM. A LEFTIST philosophy.

      • 0 avatar
        Sloomis

        JustPassinThru
        You do realize that Republican and Democrat are just words used as names for two different groups of people, don’t you, and they do not denote a particular political ideology in and of themselves the way “liberal” and “conservative” do? And that both parties have changed drastically in the last 150 years? And that the Nazis used the word “socialism” as propaganda to attract working class supporters away from left wing, true socialist parties? But of course you do. You need a history lesson yourself.

        • 0 avatar
          JustPassinThru

          Within the Republican Party, there is, or has been, a welcoming faction for Constitutional conservatives.

          Just as with the Democrat party, there has become a faction of covert Marxists and other collectivists who are less and less covert – and who now control it.

          The insiders of both parties are more alike than not; but their rank-and-file voter-supporters are very different. Bernie versus Perry-Walker-Cruz.

        • 0 avatar
          JustPassinThru

          “And that the Nazis used the word “socialism” as propaganda to attract working class supporters away from left wing, true socialist parties? But of course you do. You need a history lesson yourself.”

          No. You need to discard your propaganda.

          You need to read what happened to Adam Opel, Bayer, Daimler-Benz and other alleged “private” businesses under the collectivist Nazis.

          The Marxists openly nationalize industries when they control a government. Other socialists merely take complete control – which results in exactly the same thing; the industry is controlled entirely by the State.

          • 0 avatar
            ExPatBrit

            Since you believe it’s all about what the party names are, perhaps you could explain how Hitler’s main allies were the other two fascists Franco and Mussolini.

            Any please explain why the condor legion assisted Franco’s nationalists in bombing the left wing “Republicans” in Guernica during the Spanish civil war. How come the Spanish Republicans were receiving support from Moscow?

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        There is so much stupid in this comment that it’s impossible to know where to start.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        JustPassinThru:

        Nazism has ZERO in common with contemporary liberal ideology…or conservative ideology, for that matter. It’s so far off the rails that it can’t really be compared to any “left wing” politics that we would know today.

        If anything, as an absolute dictatorship that could not be challenged by voters, which also enshrined property rights and capitalism, a better comparison would be to feudal monarchy, just labeled “socialist” so that it sounded sexier to people in the early 20th century. Hitler did many of the same things that Middle Ages kings and queens did, just with far more advanced technology, and with cameras rolling to record the results. it’s no accident that Nazi imagery commonly portrayed Hitler and German soldiers as knights.

        http://jettandjahn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/hitlerknight.jpg

        • 0 avatar
          JustPassinThru

          Assertion is not proof.

          Collectivism, such as NATIONAL SOCIALISM, is a Leftist benchmark.

          Racial divisive politics were practiced in Germany at the time – AND IN AMERICA TODAY, BY LEFTIST AGITATORS.

          The Nazis were preoccupied with skin hue and religious-traditions of ancestry. American liberals today are OBSESSED with “groups” – composed of race and ethnic background and other non-consequential factors. DIVIDE…CREATE CHAOS…AND GROW GOVERNMENT IN THE PANDEMONIUM.

        • 0 avatar
          Pch101

          So I suppose that the Union of Soviet Socialist REPUBLICS must have been led by a bunch of Republicans.

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            First, you need to look up the definition of “republic.”

            Then, you need to read up on the history of Communism. AND THEIR ENDLESS PROPAGANDA.

            Communism, which rejects religious faith and with it moral restraint, practices “The Ends Justify the Means.” So, lying to gullible outsiders by claiming to be republics, is just fine.

            Educate yourself. Jon Stewart will not help you there. Nor Jimmy Fallon.

            I’d suggest a big building full of books. It’s called a “library.” Stay out of the Art Books section; and instead go to HISTORY.

          • 0 avatar
            Pch101

            I hope that you don’t ever order Rocky Mountain oysters with the expectation that you’ll be getting seafood.

            Just as a Rocky Mountain oyster isn’t a type of shellfish just because it has the word “oyster” in it, National Socialism isn’t socialist just because it includes the word “socialism”. Only a buffoon would believe otherwise.

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      The political tribalism written by the B&B here is a good example of why it’s so dangerous to put party or ideological loyalty above common sense. Saying the Republicans/conservatives/Democrats/liberals are more like Hitler than the other is nothing more than mental masturbation.

      Who cares. It doesn’t matter.

      Arguing this either way isn’t swaying anyone.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @jkross22 – I’m open to being “swayed”. I don’t need to agree with someone else’s beliefs or ideologies to learn and grow from it. I want to learn about others and how they think and feel. We may all have entirely different beliefs but we all laugh, cry, live and die. It does matter.

  • avatar
    PriusV16

    “Most normal, reasonable people would want to avoid associating themselves with a man who can claim responsibility for causing the deaths of about 70 million people”

    Umm, that would be Mao tse-tung.

    Hitler was responsible for “only” 20 million deaths through World War II, which he pretty much started on his own.

    That said, I agree with the rest of the article.

    If I had a Volkswagen, I’d vaguely consider putting a sticker on it that would read: “DESIGNED BY ROGUE ENGINEERS”

    Inoffensive, and might get a chuckle out of those in the know.

  • avatar
    olddavid

    We of that age grew up on stories from the war from all family members, be they military men or rear guard families. I have to assume the owner is ignorant of what he pasted on the window. If not, I will guess they will probably learn the error of their ways in a difficult manner. From rationing coupons to bond and paper and rubber drives, the scope of the war is hard for today’s citizens to grasp. Coastal blackouts, headlights with shrouds were all day to day routine for most from 41-45. One uncle endured three years as POW in the Philippines and was never the same man again. This epitomized the term “total war”. Ignorance is likely his only excuse.

  • avatar

    UMMM FREE SPEECH ANYONE?

    as much as I DON’T LIKE IT…threatening to damage someone’s property because they have something on it that offends you won’t send me crying when you get caught and someone puts a bullet in you.

    Keep your hands off other people’s stuff.

    If you can justify smashing a person’s windows because of a Nazism sticker, then you can justify smashing a window over a Trump, Sanders, Hillary or Cruz tag too.

    AND JUST FOR THE RECORD… those people who keep attacking Trump signs make me crack open a beer, sit back and LAUGH when they get SERIOUSLY INJURED or KILLED for being so bold as to attack someone, or their property simply because “FDT”.

    Trump Haters who are so bold are nothing more than TARGET PRACTICE in my opinion.

    • 0 avatar
      PriusV16

      Nice trolling attempt but a tad too obvious to get anyone riled up.

    • 0 avatar
      sportyaccordy

      Well, as much as I don’t like any of those candidates, none of them are responsible for the extermination of millions of people, or a world war, or an ideology of hatred. So there’s that little issue.

      Not to mention you have called for physical harm to be done to liberal weenies plenty of times on here. But now you want to defend Nazis?

      To call you a strange bird would be the understatement of the year.

    • 0 avatar
      rev0lver

      My cat’s breath smells like catfood.

    • 0 avatar
      redmondjp

      You got it. Social-justice warriors have now infected car blogs, engaging in decal-shaming.

      It’s a free country. I don’t like to see Calvin urinating on the name of a car company on some brodozer back window either, but that certainly doesn’t mean that I’m going to take a baseball bat to it (now trucknutz, well, I am tempted to rip those off I’ll be honest and admit, mainly because I have young children and don’t want to have to explain that kind of thing to them yet).

      Feeling justified in committing acts of violence or vandalism against those which whom you don’t agree is EXACTLY what happened in Germany. For the rest of us that actually understand this, it’s easy to see how another Hitler could rise to power. Just take a look at the current political campaigns.

      • 0 avatar
        VoGo

        I don’t think that an article about decals is EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany. Nope, not exactly.

        But apparently, it’s an excuse for you to rail against so-called ‘social justice warriors’ – the mention of which clues in every reader that here comes another diatribe from someone with zero empathy whatsoever.

        • 0 avatar
          derekson

          You know there’s a middle ground between having zero empathy and going around looking for things to take offense to on the behalf of any conceivable group that could be offended.

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            Fair enough. I get free speech. I don’t get why some people need to defend use of a symbol associated with so many so much pain and death.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            Only sane people know that derekson.

          • 0 avatar
            Xeranar

            I’m pretty sure not a single person on this blog has demanded it be made illegal to sell….While a number of trolling attacks on the left are fighting some fictional battle for the right to be a neo-nazi.

            Look, if you’re defending the right of neo-nazis without anybody attacking them, you may just be a neo-nazi….

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            “I’m pretty sure not a single person on this blog has demanded it be made illegal to sell….While a number of trolling attacks on the left are fighting some fictional battle for the right to be a neo-nazi.”

            Exactly. Freedom entails the freedom to make bad choices, stupid choices.

            Speech, for example. If I call someone a racial epithet, I’m saying nothing about that person. Anyone who looks can see what race/ethnicity he is, or might be.

            I’m advertising about my SELF. I might as well wear a sign saying I HATE _____.

            Likewise, anyone so immature as to buy or place this stick-on.

    • 0 avatar
      chuckrs

      Jonathan Rauch’s monograph, Kindly Inquisitors, from 1993, touched on this. Rauch, a gay Jew, defended the American Nazi’s Skokie march. At least it flushes the rats from cover and reminds us that they are there.
      And in a different circumstance, mockery is always good. Like this:

      http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/21/kkk-rally-video-tuba-music/

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      Hell has frozen over, BTSR has become the voice of moderation and restraint.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        I’ve got my skates!

      • 0 avatar

        TMA1

        HELL is sitting right here in my garage.

        These people are STUPID if they think that they have a right to DAMAGE THE PROPERTY of someone simply for political viewpoints.

        I’ll say it again: I won’t cry when they get BULLET HOLES for their effort.

        2nd Amendment protects my 1st.

        • 0 avatar
          TMA1

          Hey, I’m agreeing with you. You’re actually being more mature than most of the people who responded to you.

          Silencing people over political opinions has no place in America.

        • 0 avatar
          seth1065

          Yet you BTSR think it is your right to drive triple digits in your hellcat on public roads, I try to keep the car blog about cars.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          If you shoot someone purely for damaging your property, you’re going to be on the losing end of a guilty verdict for either assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, or murder.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Welcome to BTSR’s America, where defacing a bumper sticker is a capital offense.

          • 0 avatar
            JustPassinThru

            Property rights, in a free society, are, must be, inviolate.

            And an armed society is a polite society.

            Since there is NO defense justifying scraping off the bumper-sticker, or sign, or paint, or ANYTHING, of another’s property…the solution for those who do not like serious consequences is, DO NOT DO IT.

            Freedom offers choices; but requires the individual to live with the consequences of those choices.

      • 0 avatar
        Xeranar

        Nah, he’s just being a capitalist defending his property. He doesn’t really care about right or wrong, just protecting his precious Hellcat.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @Xeranar – I suspect that what is morally and ethically right or wrong never enters the his thought process, just legal or illegal. That often has nothing to do with former.

    • 0 avatar
      a5ehren

      The 1st amendment only protects you from the government interfering with your speech.

      Our laws on assault/vandalism/etc protect you from the other assholes that would bust up your car.

      • 0 avatar
        PeriSoft

        Yeah. The first amendment means the government can’t throw this dude in jail for having an obnoxious sticker. It doesn’t mean I can’t agree with people who think he’s a jerk.

    • 0 avatar
      Sloomis

      bigtruckseriesreview @ Youtube
      I concur. Vandalizing someone’s property because of their political beliefs is not cool, no matter how reprehensible the message is.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    So, ummm, does Godwin’s law apply to this thread or do we get a waiver?

    I think it is mostly people who are simply too feckin’ ignorant to know what the symbol means. Everyone knows what the swastika is, but I’m guessing a subset of idiots truly believe a Parteiadler sans swastika is fine.

  • avatar
    raph

    Mr. Jaguar Forum sure was full of mock rage. I’m pretty sure he didn’t put a hole in a window for the same reason we all get pissed off and don’t do violently dumb crap (although the fantasy is always there).

    Despite being an asshole, in the US at least there is no law forbidding such expression but if you caved in the owner’s windshield and head you would be on the wrong side of the law as any 1st amendment finger wagger loves to point out.

    Frankly if anything such a sticker is just advertisement telling you who not to associate with them ( much like in the south where people festoon thier homes and vehicles with rebel flags. There is a strong chance they might not be comfortable in mixed company and are best avoided ).

  • avatar
    thegamper

    As time marches on, symbols such as this, the imperial Japanese flag, swastika, etc, just don’t carry the same meaning to people who never suffered from the regimes so despised by people at the time. Younger people just don’t have the historical background to get it, and be deeply offended by it.

    Personally, I think a nice spray-painted or carved penis outline would go well on this guy’s hood. Leave the sticker so onlookers can have some context.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    Peterborough, Ontario. Huh. I’ve seen more than a little questionable things done and said, but usually from a lifted super-duty pickup truck.

    It’s also possible that some of the people who buy this stuff are either a) something like your average Motorhead fan and like the iconography, or b) is pretty clueless, “Hitler-fried chicken”* style. It’s still foolish, but open to education.

    * Google it. Seriously.

  • avatar
    TMA1

    If you’re a fan of fascism, at least stick to fictional fascism. The Galactic Empire has a logo too.

  • avatar
    wtaf

    Reminds me of all the idiots I used to encounter wearing metal mulisha gear or wearing iron crosses. (I live in Bro-land)

    This seems more rare but much more on the nose.

    Crazy how ignorant of history people can be.

    • 0 avatar
      Sigivald

      The only relation the “Metal Mulisha”* has to Naziism is “the scary looking skull wears the same vague sort of helmet”.

      Can’t really be read as an endorsement of Hitlerism, though.

      (* I love metal. I hate not spelling militia correctly. So … no.)

  • avatar
    e30gator

    First, I hate Illinois Nazis.

    Could it (for argument sake) be an ironic (and tasteless) anti-VW sticker brought on by their recent emissions scandal?

  • avatar
    LeadHead

    How is this a real article? Who even remotely cares about a sticker on a car?

    Is the sticker tasteless? Sure. Worth getting worked up about? Absolutely not. I think the sticker is hilarious, personally. If I drove some clapped out Golf or something, I’d totally put one of these on it.

    I’ve seen far more tasteless and far more rude anti-democrat, anti-obama bumper stickers than a harmless Nazi-Volkswagen joke sticker.

    • 0 avatar
      sportyaccordy

      You don’t get to decide what other people are allowed to get “worked up” about. It’s strange you’ve made it this far without figuring that out.

      And how is an anti-democrat sticker more “harmful” than a Nazi sticker? Disagreeing with a political party is worse than celebrating the extermination of millions of people? The horrors of the Nazi regime are a joke to you?

      • 0 avatar
        LeadHead

        I’ve seen those stickers with swears and blatant racist, hateful remarks on them. Those are fine, yet a joke sticker about an even that occurred 70 years ago somehow isn’t?

  • avatar
    robc123

    who cares. remember its a free country- let people express their opinions and beliefs. Don’t have to agree with, I personally don’t like VWs, think they are junk but I don’t call for a ban on them.

    oooooh the germans;

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      Free speech comes with responsibility. Posting or saying what may incite hate or cause fear to/in a group isn’t legal and if it is legal it does not meet any moral or ethical standards.

      • 0 avatar
        Sloomis

        in the US, “posting or saying what may incite hate or cause fear to/in a group” is perfectly legal. I’m pretty sure it needs to be a specific targeted threat to get you in trouble.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Sloomis – just because something is legal does not necessarily make it right.

          Assault is just the threat of violence and knowing someone has the means to carry it out. Battery entails direct contact. In some respects free speech follows similar guidelines.

          “Hate” speech in the USA goes through the filter of “does it promote imminent violence?”

          ” hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.”

          • 0 avatar

            There is no such thing as hate speech in the US.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Frank Mansfield – um… it does appear that you did not read the bulk of my comment.

          • 0 avatar
            usernamealreadyregistered

            You’re deliberately obscuring the extent of things you’d like covered by the definition of “hate speech” by tying it to actual threats of violence. But your definition of hate speech includes not just incitement of actual violence (“go inflict [specific harm] against [class of person]”) but “gesture or conduct, writing or display which is forbidden…because it disparages…a protected individual.”

            In practice, what this means is that whatever offends favored groups gets lumped in with incitement to violence. Those in power get to decide who’s protected, what ideas are beyond challenge and who claims the benefit of hurt feelings. You’ve claimed the moral high ground of violence prevention as a means of squelching non-violent speech you don’t like.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @usernamealreadyregistered – d-o I h-a-v-e t-o t-y-p-e t-h-I-s m-o-r-e s-l-o-w-l-y ?

            I’m quoting legal sources on the topic.

            Rulings tend to be case specific.

            I used the term hate speech because it is much shorter than having to post the entire legal definition or circumstances where it applies.

            I mentioned assault and or battery.

            “At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.

            An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal or civil liability. Generally, the common law definition is the same in criminal and Tort Law.”

            If “any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.”

            Speech, symbolism, gestures, conduct etc. have to be seen as a threat AND yes it is specific to whom ever feels threatened, bullied or intimidated.

            I’m not obscuring anything.

            It is often difficult to understand the legal and/or ethical process involved in choosing (or finding balance) between conflicting rights.

            Just to be clear:

            “Ethics or moral philosophy is the branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.”

            “Law is a system of rules that are enforced through social institutions to govern behavior.”

            You might notice that the two are separate. You can create law with ethics and you can create laws without any ethical considerations.

            Human dignity should be the foundation for any discussion on this topic.

            Human dignity is defined as: “An individual or group’s sense of self-respect and self-worth, physical and psychological integrity and empowerment.”

  • avatar
    CarnotCycle

    Volkswagen’s roots, right down to its most iconic vehicle, are intimately connected to Hitler and Nazism; much more Gestapo than Woodstock in that brand’s DNA. Facts and stuff. Dude could just be a fan of the brand, warts and all, no cognitive dissonance present.

    I always chuckle at Benz ads talking up their heritage that always magically have eight or nine year gap in their histo-bragging. Years ago, when Benz brought Maybach back, I couldn’t get image of a broken-down Tiger tank out of my mind every time I heard the name ‘Maybach.’ I actually recall walking by Simon Wiesenthal center on Pico once, and seeing a guy guy drive into the center in his shiny S-Benz still wearing his yarmulke, right under a poster advertising the Anne Frank exhibit then showing – and just laughed out loud at the absurdity of it all, how times change, etc.

    Personally, I once thought it would be funny to get personalized plate ‘MYFW190’ on a Bimmer to see if anyone caught the reference (envisioned old-timer at stoplight giving me the what’s-what), but never actually did it. I’d probably wind up on TTAC article about WWII/Nazi license-plate subculture or something anyways.

  • avatar
    stars9texashockey

    Ask a Cuban-American how they feel about Che shirts while you’re at it.

  • avatar
    DIYer

    Whatever happened to the Fahrvergnügen (or Funkengrüven) stickers? I thought those were funny.

    I turns out a lot of Germans in Charlotte, maybe the guy with the sticker is from there too:

    German companies choose CHARLOTTE NC as their Headquarter in the US.
    Jan 6, 2016

    There are 194 German-owned firms in Charlotte USA including 59 U.S. headquarters; making Germany the most largely represented foreign country in the region. With daily nonstop flights to Frankfurt and Munich and an active German community, the partnership between Charlotte USA and Germany is strong.

    The Charlotte region continues to strengthen its position as one of the most dynamic and diversified locations in North America. This 16-county region – 12 in North Carolina and four in South Carolina – is home to more than 850 foreign-owned firms, eight Fortune 500 company headquarters and a growing population of more than 2.6 million residents.

    Why have German firms chosen Charlotte USA?

    Largest concentration of international firms in the Carolinas, employing more than 50,000 workers

    Charlotte Douglas International Airport is the sixth busiest airport in the world and has daily nonstop flights to five European destinations

    Lufthansa offers daily nonstop service to Munich. From Munich, travelers are only one stop from almost any destination in the world.

    Second-largest banking center in the U.S.

    Foreign Trade Zone #57 has locations around the Charlotte region
    Manufacturing hub of the Carolinas

    Highest concentration of medical device manufacturing in the Carolinas
    Eight Fortune 500 headquarters

    Home to more than 275 corporate headquarters

    Engineering center of the Carolinas: home to global giants such as URS, Toshiba, Siemens, Areva, Chicago Bridge & Iron, Parsons, Duke Power, Fluor Corp, and Westinghouse

    Germany receives 13 percent of the Carolinas’ exports

    Honorary German consul living in Charlotte, N.C.

    Annual German festivals including Maifest Festival and Oktoberfest
    South End Jazz supports German-American educational exchanges on a high school and university level through the celebration of American Jazz
    The Alemannia Society – a non-profit organization supports the German language and culture in the Charlotte area

    Both Pfeiffer University and Winthrop University partner with German universities for student exchange in both graduate and undergraduate programs.

    Local students have access to foreign language immersion programs for Chinese, French, German, Japanese and Spanish as well as participate in an esteemed International Baccalaureate program that fosters a comprehensive global educational experience.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    Nice clickbait. Not worth discussing.
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  • avatar
    Sigivald

    n.b, that’s eBay *Australia*, not UK.

  • avatar
    sirwired

    I’m going with ignorance over malice. If the youth of today haven’t seen Indiana Jones movies or watched Riefenstahl clips in history class, I can’t think of any particular reason they would associate an Eagle with Nazi Germany. And until I read this article, I certainly didn’t associate a cog with the Nazis either.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    We’ll likely never know if the owner of this car is a douchebag racist or a douchebag ignoramus, but we definitely know he’s a douchebag.

  • avatar
    JustPassinThru

    I for one fail to see any meaningful historical connection. Yes, VW was connected to the Nazis. So, too, was Ford – it was Old Henry who was one of the financial backers for the German-American Bund.

    VW, the KdF-Wagen, is long gone. The company which once made it, was organized AFTER V-E Day and assumed ownership of the factory which once was to have made Porsche’s people’s car. That’s not a slur on either the company or Dr. Porsche – who, in spite of his political backers, did come up with an automobile which was useful and practical in its day.

    Would that today’s VW products be so practical.

    Bottom line is, as noted above: The person putting that sticker on, is a douchebag. EOD.

  • avatar
    Joss

    I always wonder if the Germany of the Nazi era suffered lead poisoning from fuel & plumbing.

    • 0 avatar
      JustPassinThru

      No.

      They suffered from complete panic, from the incredibly inept Weimar government; from the economic collapse brought about by the deliberate deflation of the German Mark.

      This panic led them to look for some sort of hero to save them. And one emerged; one who innately understood mob psychology and the need to paint issues in simple broad strokes. And to always create scapegoats and demons; and to propose that he and his colleagues were the ones to slay those demons.

      Sound familiar? It should. We’re going through that right now; and we may well live through a variation of what the Germans went through eighty years ago.

      • 0 avatar
        Geekcarlover

        In times of chaos or panic, people will follow the first person to raise their hand and say follow me. Fascism popped up in several places around the world in various forms. Here in America there was a large fascist
        /pro nazi movement. When people panic, they stop thinking, they don’t ask questions, they just go. This isn’t to justify what they did, merely to explain why.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        Germany had a fragmented party system. Similarly to Donald Trump’s performance in the GOP primaries, the Nazis were able to gain seats despite lacking a majority because the opposition was too fragmented to hold them back.

        The Nazis also used intimidation tactics against elected representatives. If the Weimar government had been more powerful, then this could have been halted.

        So no, the Germans were not demanding Nazi rule until it was imposed on them. It is more accurate to say that they didn’t have the power to stop it.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          The Weimar government was always weak, it was almost overthrown several times. What you’re forgetting is long before the NSDAP was in power, the paramilitary Freikorps acted as a pseudo governing force and the Communist uprisings it put down led to it’s galvanization among the German people. The same organization later morphed into the SA “brown shirts” and formed the basis for the future NSDAP. Freikorps more than likely would have existed no matter what, but without the Spartacist Uprising of 1919 led by Communist Karl Liebknecht (a German national) and Rosa Luxemburg (a Polish Jewish national) -which attempted to overthrow the new legitimate Weimar govenment-, the Freikorps may have simply been another group of disillusioned veterans complaining to each other in a beer hall.

          “The meaning of the word Freikorps changed over time. After 1918, the term was used for the paramilitary organizations that sprang up around Germany as soldiers returned in defeat from World War I. They were the key Weimar paramilitary groups active during that time. Many German veterans felt disconnected from civilian life, and joined a Freikorps in search of stability within a military structure. Others, angry at their sudden, apparently inexplicable defeat, joined up in an effort to put down communist uprisings, such as the Spartacist uprising, or exact some form of revenge. They received considerable support from Minister of Defense Gustav Noske, a member of the Social Democratic Party of Germany, who used them to crush the German Revolution of 1918–19 and the Marxist Spartacist League and arrest Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg, who were killed on 15 January 1919. They were also used to defeat the Bavarian Soviet Republic in May 1919.[4]”

          “Freikorps also fought against the communists in the Baltic, Silesia, Poland and East Prussia after the end of World War I, including aviation combat, often with significant success. Anti-Slavic racism was sometimes present, although the ethnic cleansing ideology and anti-Semitism that would be expressed in later years had not developed.[8] In Baltic they fought against communist and as well against newborn independent democratic countries Estonia and Latvia too. In Latvia, Freikorps murdered 300 civilians in Mitau who were suspected of having “Bolshevik sympathies”. After the capture of Riga, another 3000 alleged communists were killed,[9] including summary executions of 50–60 prisoners daily.[10] Though officially disbanded in 1920, many Freikorps attempted, unsuccessfully, to overthrow the government in the Kapp Putsch in March 1920.”

          “Numerous future members and leaders of the Nazi Party had served in the Freikorps, including Ernst Röhm, future head of the Sturmabteilung, or SA, Heinrich Himmler, future head of the Schutzstaffel, or SS, and Rudolf Höß, the future Kommandant of the Auschwitz concentration camp. Hermann Ehrhardt, founder and leader of Marinebrigade Ehrhardt, and his deputy Commander Eberhard Kautter, leaders of the Viking League, refused to help Hitler and Erich Ludendorff in their Beer Hall Putsch and conspired against them.

          Hitler eventually viewed some of them as threats. A huge ceremony was arranged on 9 November 1933 in which the Freikorps leaders symbolically presented their old battle flags to Hitler’s SA and SS. It was a sign of allegiance to their new authority, the Nazi state.[12] When Hitler’s internal purge of the party, the Night of the Long Knives, came in 1934, a large number of Freikorps leaders were targeted for killing or arrest, including Ehrhardt and Röhm”

          “From 29 to 31 December 1918, they took part in a joint congress of the League, independent socialists and the International Communists of Germany (IKD), that led to the foundation on 1 January 1919 of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) under the leadership of Liebknecht and Luxemburg. She supported the new KPD’s participation in the Weimar National Assembly that founded the Weimar Republic, but was out-voted and the KPD boycotted the elections.

          In January 1919, a second revolutionary wave swept Berlin. On New Year’s Day Luxemburg declared:

          Today we can seriously set about destroying capitalism once and for all. Nay, more; not merely are we today in a position to perform this task, nor merely is its performance a duty toward the proletariat, but our solution offers the only means of saving human society from destruction.[18]

          Like Liebknecht, Luxemburg refused to reject this violent attempt to seize power. The Red Flag encouraged the rebels to occupy the editorial offices of the liberal press.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freikorps

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Liebknecht

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg

  • avatar
    John

    Eh, go to Japan, where you can wall around Tokyo in full Nazi regalia, then stop in at a Nazi themed bar/club, and no one will bat an eyebrow. Japan has fond memories of her Axis allies.

  • avatar
    JohnTaurus_3.0_AX4N

    Dont worry guys, the ACLU will run to defend these free speach supporters. They will help anyone, including NAMBLA, unless an association can be made to the more conservative end of the spectrum

    Que the libtards and their insistance that Nazis were just 1930/40s versions of modern Republicans. That never gets old.

    • 0 avatar
      nrcote

      JohnTaurus >>> Que the libtards and their insistance

      The “libtards”? Really?

      TTAC, please ban this guy.

      • 0 avatar
        JustPassinThru

        Right on cue. Who’s demanding banning, and threatening scraped stickers, smashed windows, et cetera?

        It’s not Republicans or those who identify as Conservatives.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      *Cue. Queue is a line, or a ponytail. “Que” is not an English word.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      Has anyone here compared the Republican party to Nazi’s or said they were on and the same?

      Just because Nazi’s, Republicans, Fascists, conservatives are on the “right” side of the spectrum does not make them one and the same.

      Just because Democrats, communists, liberals and socialism is on the left side of the spectrum it does not make them all one and the same.

      One can point to examples from both the left and right where ideology was twisted and manipulated to gain and keep power and amass wealth to the detriment of the populace.

      • 0 avatar
        JustPassinThru

        Wrong on this. It is a clear divide.

        The “Right” would have government limited and the citizens sovereign with ultimate power lying with the individual. There are flavors, of course – libertarians and corporatists have serious differences. A balance need be struck between NEEDED government and limits and individual rights of self-determination.

        Likewise the Left. They would have government hold unlimited power over the subject-citizen. They don’t say it, of course – but that’s where government determination of property rights and limits on wealth creation, and even government control over who will receive medical care (free to some, but denied to many, is ALWAYS how government schemes work).

        The Left generally derides property rights, preferring collectivist schemes – socialism. Ownership of either the means to produce, or the right, by might, to allocate the returns on industry and production. Personal property rights and liberty are determined by the expediencies of the Nation-State.

        Yes, there are various flavors there. Fascism is somewhat different from Communism. Fabian socialism is a transitory stage, where the FICTION that the voters still control the Nation-State which now can control individuals. That seldom lasts long – socialism can only be maintained over time at gunpoint. Human appetites are unlimited; and resources always have some finite limit. If distribution is not through work-tickets, that is, money; than it is by political permissions, which will be denied some and overly-allowed others. Disagreements become resentments; become fighting; become civil war; become a repressive socialist police state.

        But those are the only two directions. There is no such thing as a “right-wing dictatorship.” The Right rejects dictatorship – it’s just hyperbole and agitation when the Left insists that their social-anarchy demands, refused, are “tyranny.”

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          The USA installed dictators in multiple places in the world. Communist paranoia and fear of “the third way” makes it highly unlikely that the USA supported anyone on the so-called left.

          I’m curious as to your sources.

          Rush Limbaugh wing of the trailer park?

          or did the tornado relocate your references?

  • avatar
    Hamilton Guy

    It is so true that very few Americans know much history, especially non-American history. I have a friend in his ’70s who sponsors and funds Tolerance Week in Iowa http://www.toleranceweeksiouxcity.com/

    He told me that at one event in a theatre seating 2500 junior high school kids, the MC asked how many had heard of he Holocaust… a dozen hands went up and Jesus wept.

  • avatar
    ravenchris

    I will not allow a decal to control or effect my behavior.

  • avatar

    The Volkswagen Thing looks pretty cool in National Socialist trim. They called the first gen Type 82 models Kübelwagens.

  • avatar
    Dr. Claw

    The driver of that car deserves whatever he gets, with that horse dung. It’s not cool, and I don’t give a goddamn how “free” that speech is. You can ride for your vehicle of choice without adopting the symbolism of people who committed crimes against humanity.

  • avatar
    05lgt

    Is there any chance the sticker was the result of someones frustration and hatred towards VW and not xenophobic? I’m grasping for straws here, trying not to lose hope.

  • avatar
    fishiftstick

    The douchebags who apply those stickers to their German cars are not entirely wrong. Let me explain.

    I exist because my grandmother was one tough cookie who escaped the Germans with her three kids.

    Her husband was not so lucky. One day he went out to buy bread, was arrested and eventually murdered by the Germans. They also killed his mother; his father; his brother, his wife and their child (US citizens, the latter two, but that availed them nothing) and another brother. Along with countless other relatives. Jews, you see.

    Some of these–the Germans kept meticulous records–were put on trains to extermination camps and gassed upon arrival. Others were not so lucky. Their murders were slow and lingering, as literal slaves of German industry.

    While everyone knows about the extermination camps, like Auschwitz, not everyone knows that a majority of German concentration camps were in fact slave labour camps for German industry where Jews, Gypsies, Poles and other untermenschen were sent to be eradicated by overwork and underfeeding.

    Most Germans today were born after these events. They are not guilty of crimes committed by their parents and grandparents, and I bear them no ill-will. But the companies that participated in genocide still exist. And they have names like Audi, Mercedes-Benz, and BMW.

    These companies were complicit in the rise of the Nazis to power, they participated in and profited from slavery and genocide, and those profits have in some cases never been disgorged. BMW is still owned by the Quandt family, who were such enthusiastic Nazis that one of them married Goebbels. BMW has never paid compensation or even apologized for its role: see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpQpgd_EeWY.

    And Mercedes? They actually used “Conspiracy”, a movie about the Final Solution, for Maybach product placement.

    So in a way, the douchebags using that sticker have a point. Obviously, it’s not the point they are trying to make, but a point that needs making nonetheless.

    • 0 avatar
      tedward

      It’s fascinating to see just how profound an effect wwII had/has on survivors and family members. My grandfather, for intance, felt VERY much the same way about Japanese products. Being a salty, old school, Southern Baptist Texan it manifested in racist tirades that were literally ear curdling, but I believe he was probably coming from a similar place with it despite the crap delivery. Hell, I’d probably feel the same way if I had to survive Mitsubishi or bmw branded hardware looking to lodge a bomb up my a$$.

      Another great example is what’s happening in the comments above. To see a heated poliSci/history argument break out on this scale is rare indeed outside of very topical blogs, and this is on a crappy click bait article on a auto industry nerd blog. It’s nice to see that everyone gets really buthurt when they get compared to hitler. Really, a good sign.

      People need to remember that hitler was literally a psychopath, and not an annoited representative of any political philosophy. Remember that it is wildly insulting to draw parallels between that kind of creature and other, non genocidal, people, especially when they are argued well (cough, pch). The closest anyone gets to hitlerish in our democracy is rabble rousing against Mexicans, rednecks, blacks etc… both parties do this, neither is actually elevating politicians who will do horrific things with it.

      Hitler level lunacy absolutely exists in this world, just thankfully, not where we live, and certainly not in our government.

  • avatar

    Hmm. My comment appears to have been censored ? Don’t reference obscene bumper stickers, I guess….


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