By on January 18, 2016

2007 Mercedes Benz R63

As boring as they are to drive, I still think minivans are marvelous. With much more space than a comparably-sized CUV, I can easily take my Town & Country just as far offroad as most folks ever consider treading with their RX350.

Still, the big box on wheels isn’t the most luxurious commuter. Even considering the leather seating, three-zone climate control and built-in video entertainment on my T&C, a well-equipped Sonata can feel much more plush than my van. For example, Mercedes-Benz products generally have nailed the opulent feel missing from my Chrysler.

So, what if M-B built a minivan? After all, they owned Chrysler for a time.

Sure, the marketing materials never referred to this R-Class as a minivan; it was a “tall wagon” or, shudder, crossover. I call it a van regardless. And this 2007 Mercedes-Benz R63 AMG is perhaps the only minivan to evoke the term “badass.” Five-hundred horses to all four wheels will do that, though the weight and high center of mass likely make handling tricky at best.

If I squint a bit, the R-Class reminds me of another minivan: the first-generation Honda Odyssey. Seating for six and swing-out doors rather than sliders are shared features not found on most traditional vans. I owned two of these first-gen Odysseys, one for only six weeks before a texting schoolteacher succeeded in adjusting the taillight location for me, conveniently right in front of my home:

I’m still bitter six years later, but that’s another story for another time.

Mercedes is offering the Metris now. From what I can tell, that’s more of a cargo van with some seats than a truly lux people carrier.

I don’t know that I’d spend $25,000 for a van with 150,000 miles on the odometer. With 50k, maybe. Heck, these are still built today in Indiana for the Chinese market, though probably not with the big AMG mill. I wonder if they’d sneak one out the back door.

Chris Tonn is a broke classic car enthusiast that writes about old cars, since he can’t afford to buy them. Commiserate with him on Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

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99 Comments on “Digestible Collectible: 2007 Mercedes-Benz R63 AMG...”


  • avatar

    You can tell who ended up buying these things second and third-hand because they’ve virtually ALL been reposessed by Santander at this point.

    Nice ride quality for this Grand Tourer as well – until Airmatic up and leaves the room. Then you have have a Pacifica that’s even more expensive to fix.

    I never understood the rationale that chose sleds like this over a Town & Country. A T&C Limited is certainly just as luxurious without the crazy expensive Daimler faults and is far more honest.

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      For some reason, the people in the hood HAVE to have a luxury brand. No sure why they think they need or deserve it. They would rather drive something like this (until it breaks) because of the badge than buy a regular, reliable car.

      • 0 avatar

        Owning a “luxury car” is about:

        #1 Driving your wealth (Projecting your financial success on the road)

        #2 Forcing your ideologies on others:

        a) bumper stickers
        b) badge names
        c) sound/tuning/loud-radios, etc.

        Basically, this is the human-equivalent of being a Peacock with large, colorful plumes of feathers.

        • 0 avatar
          MoDo

          Very true for a brand new AMG – not so much for beater one bought at “WE approve anyone auto sales” @ 25% interest over 9 years, sitting outside some dump apartment.

          That, is just stupid – and the “owner” (lol) is getting laughed at by everyone.

      • 0 avatar
        Wheeljack

        I see this all the time around here and it’s almost tragic because all it does is perpetuate the cycle of poverty. People pouring all of their money into an unreliable heap because it has a snobby badge when they would be better served by a 3.8L LeSabre or a Camry.

      • 0 avatar

        Brings to mind the white trash (and I do mean that as opposed to ‘rednecks’ because there are rednecks who are truly good folks) that used to come in an want an F-250 Crew Cab King Ranch 4×4 with the rationale that they “do landscaping on the side.”

        What about this ’03 Silverado extended cab LS 4.8l you can actually afford?

        F**k no, you crazy? Rollin’ coal until the repo truck finds me!

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          What else do you expect from the crowd of GOT A HEMI IN IT?

          Nice C-max btw, FWIW I think that’s a nice deal from a retail shop, although you seem to be short one X308.

          I also had to lawl at the Epi Regal. Needs more Zephyr.

          • 0 avatar

            That Jaaaaaaag is wintering at its new home in Connecticut, believe it or not.

            That C-Max made me a believer. What a helluva little urban runabout.

            You know you really want the LTD, though. I brought that zombie back from the dead just for LOLs and now its retail-ready.

            I’ve also got the official car of Upstate New York next on deck for the front line – an ’08 A4 Avant S-Line.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “That Jaaaaaaag is wintering at its new home in Connecticut”

            Nice sale, although you’d better find another one for me to test drive and not buy quick :)

            I have zero experience with the C-max, but perhaps it will earn a place as a value buy similar to CD3 Zephyr. Evidently Volt is all kinds of expensive in FL.

            When I first say your LTD I thought it was a coupe for some reason and I got all excited. We had the prototypical old man’s LTD once, MY85, 30K otc (prob TMU), super clean, poop brown bench seat interior with beige exterior. If I’m going Panther 5.0/DOA, its going to be a Townie and nothing less. Where did you dig up yours?

            “’08 A4 Avant S-Line.”

            Have fun with that. I liked the SLK350 but its olddddd like meeeeee. Mercedes are like women, always want the youngest MY you can find.

          • 0 avatar

            That LTD came from Tallahassee Ford/L/M who took it on trade on a…something…I’m assuming a nine year-old Taurus with a simcon top.

            I do have an ’86 LTC Signature Series – Gold with brown top, complete with power vent windows and hand-painted Rose flower pinstriping! Ooo la la!

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Now you’re talkin’

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Flybrian is right, the C-Max is an excellent urban runabout. 28, it should end up as a value buy because the powertrain is solid and the C-Max shares almost everything mechanical with the Fusion (powertrain), Focus, and Escape. Plus, used values have TANKED. Bad for me if I was selling mine.

    • 0 avatar

      Only frugal boring idiot people buy cars that actually fit their budget and aren’t likely to be a financial burden.

      THE HIP AND TRENDY ENTITLEMENT GENERATION – however – would rather BREAK THEIR BACKS to be seen driving a BEE-M- DUBAYUUU or MERSAYDEEEEZ than to be seen driving a Chrysler product.

      I see them all the time here in NYC.

      Boots on their wheels from the D.O.T.

      Stranded by the roadside when their Pirelli’s threads burst – prompting a $350 tire replacement.

      In Pep Boys trying to understand why their A-EM-GEE is gonna cost thousands in repairs…

      This is what you get when you try to drive what the rich drive after they’d tossed it back into the Certified Pre-Owned bin…and then the 2nd owner tosses it to the used car market.

      Used like a cheap street-walker. Inside smells like backsweat.

      ebay has one right now with 94,000 miles on it for $35,000!!!

      BUY IT!

      It’s a creampuff

      • 0 avatar

        This is why the typical high-line European repo has a bad battery, brake wear warning lamp on, and four tires from four different Chinese manufacturers you’ve NEVER heard of.

        Rollin’ on AMG rims wrapped with a Triangle, a Goodride, a Ling Long, and a threadbare Continental with a different sidewall height.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          My Volvo has been making a whine lately it never used to so I checked the PS and it was at the add line. I went to Advance, bought whatever they thought would work and as I poured it in thought: my period Audi required Pentosin fluid mixed with gold, I wonder if my 240 does as well? I found out today, nah, she’s old school. But A-EM-GEE? Another Muppet Goner.

        • 0 avatar
          Lorenzo

          I thought you made up “Ling Long”, but I searched through Altadena, YooHoo, Gaargle, and Ask-Jarvis. It’s a real, totally substandard Chinese tire!

      • 0 avatar
        Drzhivago138

        This is good poetry. I like it.

    • 0 avatar
      gtemnykh

      There was one of these at my old apt complex, owned by this guy who ran some sort of shady curbstoning business (huge public auction lot down the road from there). It was listing to one side in the front, tell tale blown air strut. Same guy had a range rover with the same teetering issues. Truly a masochist that loved that smooth air ride.

    • 0 avatar
      hgrunt

      AMGs are for people who walk into the dealership, point at a car, and say “Give me the most expensive version of that car.” Two of my friends’ grandmothers bought AMGs by shopping like that, a C43 AMG back in the early 00s and an S65 AMG last year.

  • avatar

    There is no car I’d rather have than a depreciated $40,000 (down from $110,000) German performance crossover on a car note from a subprime bank with an interest rate higher than 15%!

    So much smarter than buying a fully loaded econobox that came with a full warranty and wasn’t a financial burden.

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      They aren’t going to pay for it anyway, and since their credit is already shot, only grandma takes the hit.

      • 0 avatar

        What he said. I’ve run across a LOT of good/gullible folks who let cousin/friend/paramour “register a car in their name”. When the insurance goes unpaid and the car note as well, they get the Judgement and a suspension from DMV for no insurance, and a few thousand in fines…which they usually can’t pay either.

        Moral of the Story…don’t ever let anyone “register it in your name”. There is already a reason they can’t use theirs. Oh, and when they get picked up for that unlicensed op Summons, you will have to pay the impound charges to get the car back.

  • avatar
    Fred

    A few times in my life I wanted a MB, mostly “fin tails.” Then I’d be reminded of parts and repair costs. Call your parts guy and ask about the prices of likely replacement parts. Worse today with all the electronics. That kept me away, still they are pretty solid rides.

    • 0 avatar

      #1 LEASE
      #2 USE
      #3 RETURN
      #4 RE-LEASE
      #5 It’s not your problem anymore.

      Welcome to the disposable car culture.

      • 0 avatar
        dwford

        Now with all the complicated electronics in these cars, they are even more disposable. What happens 15 years from now when all these touch screens die and the screens that replaced the gauges die and can’t be replaced?

        • 0 avatar
          Sigivald

          Bet you someone in China will be making a drop-in replacement touchscreen for any vaguely popular system.

          Remember, most of those panels aren’t Special Made Just For That Car Or Maker – they’re parts-bin stuff in a given size and resolution, and to the best of my knowledge the video and touch signal uses standard connectors and formats.

          (Because it’s *cheaper* than doing it any other way!)

    • 0 avatar
      Lorenzo

      I owned one of those fin tails, a ’62 220b, four on the tree. That car needed way more than 95 horses, and I traded it less than 2 years later (after a $800 valve job) for a ’65 Impala with a proper American 283.

  • avatar
    indi500fan

    Didn’t the Rolling Stones do a print advert for this one back in the day?

  • avatar
    TonyJZX

    I googled some figures for this car. 14mpg. 2,4 tons, 4wd, 7 spd 500hp 6.2 v8 you all know and love.

    This car is so silly it borders on genius. Or just get a C63 like everyone else.

    • 0 avatar
      VoGo

      So many stones; so many glass houses. Why is it so hard to empathize with the poor to understand they are just as desperate to display status as the wealthy and middle class are?

      Oops – just realized I replied to Tony. Didn’t mean to.

      • 0 avatar
        Kyree S. Williams

        Right? Thank you.

      • 0 avatar

        Because its the dealer’s fault that their 2006 5-Series overheated a year and a half after they bought it and, goddamn, those parts are expensive, so I’mma give it back to the bank, but I don’t understand why I can’t put another $500 down in two weeks and drive off with a ’12 G37 under $300/mo.

      • 0 avatar
        Waftable Torque

        The poor, aside from lacking money, have a scarcity of social status. The incentives to achieve it in that environment lead to behaviors that maximize it in the short term, like jalopy luxury cars, bling, logo clothing, and Air Jordan shoes.

        To us outsiders who don’t live the fast life in what biologists call an r-select environment, it seems perverse they don’t engage in long term behaviors that actually maximize their financial success, like saving money, staying in school, teen birth control, etc.

        • 0 avatar
          RideHeight

          Ah… this must be related to their fondness for chanting into a videocam someone’s holding at crotch level as they make spazzy gestures with their arms & hands I’ve heard described as gang symbols.

          And they all do it! Not just any one race or ethnicity. It must be a unifying sort of tribal allegiance system innately adopted by all children of a lesser Spaghetti Monster.

          • 0 avatar

            Yah, I’ve never understood why moto-crossers, all of whom are white boys with generally expensive trail bikes, and the rigs to pull them, so consistently copy the best of Compton…don’t get it at all.

            Sung to the tune of “pretty fly for a white guy” by the Offspring.

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          Shoes – yes, it’s all about the shoes. Poor people go out of their way to scrounge money on too-expensive shoes in a nonsensical color which don’t fit and aren’t good for anything except posing and taking pictures.

      • 0 avatar
        319583076

        The rich are different from you and me.

        Yes, they have more money.

    • 0 avatar
      Sigivald

      A C63 is much more likely, I think, to have been driven hard by some idiot, than the R63.

      So there’s that.

      Mostly because I can’t imagine who bought an R63 in the first place, other than people who want the most expensive thing in the category they’re stuck with.

      • 0 avatar
        swilliams41

        I have the R350 and it is a great ride, Long wheel travel, fairly soft springs but good control of body motions. Quiet too, adds up to a relaxed around town or highway cruiser. I can see the R63 responding well to a more agressive driving style, suprising the unsuspecting with its cut and thrust ability in crowded high speed urban commute environments. (Any metro freeway leading up to and after rush hour.) If I had one I would drive it like I stole it , just because, I could. The R350 though, just kick up the Harmon Kordon surround and relax.

  • avatar
    kosmo

    If they had made this a real minivan, rather than half-assing it, I might have one in my garage right now, due to the combination of practicality and stupid-fun power.

    Luckily, MB bought into the “not a minivan!” nonsense, so I’ve got a Sienna AWD instead, which makes more sense, and costs nearly nothing to keep running (though the rotors are prone to warping).

    • 0 avatar
      Stevo

      You are very glad to dodge MB anyway. My experience with an R350D that my FIL stores with us. Plus side. Nice highway cruiser for no more than 4 people, if a little ponderous. Down side? Ignition switch intermittent before 10K miles on the clock, then an AdBlue tank recall, then at 35K a daughter needed to go to eastern WA for an activity. Perfect time to stretch the legs of the R, right? No, two sensors (RPM and WPI) crapped out so once I shut down it refused to drive any further, towed back to Seattle. Not many Mercedes dealerships near Moses Lake. We had a pleasant drive back to town with a friend in their Sentra. It drives my FIL crazy that I and our 3 teen/tween daughters prefer our 2002 Odyssey to the R. Hmm. It carries twice as much, better visibility for driver and pax, has sliders, and is just easier all around. The R is a ridiculous vehicle.

  • avatar
    RideHeight

    That R63 photo made me look up the German for suppository and it’s a cool word:

    Zäpfchen

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    Is the new Metris not a minivan (and a RWD one at that)?

    http://www.mbvans.com/sprinter/commercial-vans/metris-passenger-van

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      Does that count as minivan? I kinda put the Metris in the same category as the Sprinter and Transit. You can make it a van, but it’s actually a cargo/service item.

  • avatar
    gearhead77

    Not a huge fan of the styling on the early car, but I liked these things. Except for the doors. The rear doors are HUGE, I can’t imagine dealing with them with small kids and car seats in a parking lot! Sliding doors would have fixed that, but then it truly is a van and therefore a turnoff to those who WILL NOT have a minivan, even with 3 pointed star.

    I like this (or even the R500) for being just ludicrous. The Bluetec diesel made in appearance before this thing died, which was lauded as much better than base V6 for motivation. Looks like 10k buys you an earlier one with V6 with about 100k from Autotrader on up to 30k for a 2012 CPO Bluetec low mileage car. V8 cars are rare with less than 100k ( only two on AT within 300 miles of moneyed DC suburbs).

    I think MB could sell a more luxurious Metris here.

  • avatar

    I know it’s all anecdote, but every single person I know who had, or has an R type, here in the leafy burbs of Westchester, hates it.

    Most MB owners are pretty happy, or at least tell you they are.

    EVER single R type owner has a horror story. EVERY SINGLE ONE. especially the diesel buyers…..

    This one is just a universal “avoid”, no matter what. All of this group has gotten rid of the R, or returned the lease….so it is now down to the level the article describes.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    The R class in general was the ultimate “neither-here-nor-there” vehicle. Not truly a minivan, not truly a wagon, not truly a CUV. Like the bastard child of a Town & Country a Flex.

  • avatar
    tresmonos

    There is a reason why this as well as most other shared Dr Z piles of crap had quality issues: merc used this as procurement bait. When the Diamler Chrysler match up occurred, the supply base still had trust for Chrysler procurement. Ze Germans abused the trust and hoodwinked tons of suppliers into contracts with promises of pieces of the high volume pie if they would build for POS programs such as this.

    My first employer out of college was stuck with this pig platform. It was a complex and big tool up lead time process. Diamler never did reward us with any decent program sans the dying LH/LX platform service volume. We shipped the tooling to China without authorization and were caught when they couldn’t assemble the POS due to all the cosmoline style grease those bastards coated the parts with so the sea spray wouldn’t corrode the part. Diamler Chrysler huffed and puffed and threatened to blow our doors down. We threw their other dies out in the parking lot and told them to come get their tooling. They never retrieved it and never reordered parts to my knowledge and I left the company. The tooling is probably hanging out in the giant rust lot out by Fisher Body plant #21.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      What’s I’m hearing is, I can’t really get parts for my R-class.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      They’ve cleaned up the Fisher Body 21 site quite a bit. There is still a lot full of rust nearby though. However, I have good news! You can purchase Fisher Body from the City of Detroit for the low price of $300,000!

      • 0 avatar
        tresmonos

        Have you seen that residence on Beaubien and Milwaukee? Seriously cool. Looks like it was probably an old tool supplier back when the Piquette plant was running. Locked down tight and a nice house.

        300k is a steal if that structure is sound IMHO. The old GM truck and bus group plant next door is probably worth a lot more.

        Man do I have an unreasonable love for that part of town.

        • 0 avatar
          RideHeight

          “Man do I have an unreasonable love for that part of town.”

          I, too, crave to wander alone amidst the ruins of Big Industry. I’m old enough to remember the old man giving me tours of same when they weren’t ruins.

          F*ck and double f*ck

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          Are you talking about the red brick building on the corner? I dig that building. I also had an apartment in the Cass Corridor that had lock down parking like that. Whatever is across Beaubien from it is locked up better than US bases in Iraq and Afghanistan.

          I love that part of town too. I lived in the Milwaukee Park Lofts, on the other side of 75, for a year. I also lived in a house at Ferry and Beaubien. I bounced all over that area when I was at Wayne State so I have much love for it as well. If I didn’t have a kid, I’d live down there now.

          • 0 avatar
            tresmonos

            It is. It has some crazy CCTV all over it and a very nice deck. To break in, you’d need to blow it apart. It had to have been some machine shop – it’s a great concept and a fantastic idea. I am nearing the age of abandoning the thought of having a kid and just sticking with a step kid – if that’s the case I am going to try and do something similar but in Louisville.

            I was tempted by the Wayne St area and Eastern market, but since I traveled abroad when I ‘lived’ in Detroit, I just stored my stuff in my buddy’s basement.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            I’d love to rehab a building like that in Detroit, and possibly rent it out. However, I have two properties now, and I need to start throwing more money at my place in Northern Michigan. More than likely, my next property acquisition will be a piece of land near our cottage in Northern MI that I can build a pole barn on. I need room to store things.

  • avatar
    Fred

    Right now there is an older one of these on BAT
    http://bringatrailer.com/2016/01/18/rare-amg-wagon-1998-mercedes-benz-c43/

  • avatar
    jkross22

    One’s for sale on ebay now for 25k with 150k miles. Just crazy money. But it’s an “instant collectible”!

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-R-Class-R63-AMG-RARE-WAGON-/191780746170?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ca705f3ba:g:iP8AAOSwa-dWlHQ2&item=191780746170

  • avatar
    olddavid

    This thread’s commentary is disquieting and worrisome. Everyone here had their time of foolish purchases and poor choices. When you have to start a new tradition, occasionally hiccups happen. Having a bi-racial family, by marriage, I have come to understand what it is to be paranoid while driving down a daylight road in a legal car at the speed limit. Do not underestimate the cost on a person’s psyche when not knowing what treatment to expect at every human interaction. My beautiful nephews couldn’t be more mainstream and middle class youngsters, yet a nearby siren or any police interaction is cause for deep worry. That is not what an American should have to experience.

    • 0 avatar
      oleladycarnut

      Well said, olddavid. While I read TTAC for auto news one won’t find elsewhere, I do have to wade through the under belly of racist and sexist comments on the way.

      • 0 avatar
        swilliams41

        Welcome to the USA circa 2016. You would think we would have evolved since the sixties, we have devoled in the last 15 years. Folks like to blame the government but I think the government is a reflection of a society gone bonkers. Anyway, TTAC is where I come for things automotive. Value and class discussions are better left to other outlets.

  • avatar
    TDIGuy

    There’s only one thing I see those R-class used for around here… but I suppose some funeral director around here might want to get the casket to the cemetery *really* fast… in a snow storm.

  • avatar
    swilliams41

    We went to the Ford dealer to buy a C-Max Titanium, decent CUV and we woould be a little green. I was trading my beloved 2003 530i with 165k in on the C-Max. After a test ride and drive in the fully loaded C-Max my wife was not impressed. She accused Ford of lying about the leather being real leather. It did not match her Prada purses leather. Another couple returned from a test drive in a R-350. My wife made me buy that after the other couple did not. So far, nice ride and drive, better structure that the Honda Odysseys I owned in the early 2000’s. AWD good for the 1 or 2 snow storms we have yearly in Dallas. I am a car guy, MB means engineering to me , screw the status, who do I need to impress? Engineering impresses me, dumb folk who do not get that, do not. BTW I am an IT director and can afford any car I want new if I wanted to buy or lease. I just do not see giving anyone 45-75k of my hard earned money. Maybe one day, I am having fun right now.

    • 0 avatar
      bball40dtw

      You wouldn’t want the same leather from your wife’s purse on your car seats. The C-Max SEL seats are listed as “leather-trimed” so the entire seat won’t be leather. Don’t expect the same level of leather from a $26K Ford as a $55K Mercedes.

      • 0 avatar
        swilliams41

        It wasn’t so much the leather as I think she said later, ” The C-Max did not feel substantial.”. I was fine with the C-Max but I knew what to expect. Anyway the R-350, which was preowned, has been fine. The maintinence is expensive but in line with German cars. The MB dealer I use is great for service so no complaints there. I thought about buying a new C-300 but bought a Genesis sedan instead. Nice car but the Germans do suspensions better.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          The Germans, and Ford, do suspensions way better than the Koreans. I own a C-Max, and it’s my daily driver, but I wouldn’t call it “substantial” either. It’s fine as a commuter, but I completely understand what your wife is saying. My wife wouldn’t want to drive the C-Max everyday either.

          • 0 avatar
            swilliams41

            How hs your C-Max been in terms of reliability and wear and tear. I like several Ford models but had nagging questions about owner experiences. You know, the after 2 years 30k does it still run like new? That sort of thing. Also I tend to be anal about maintinence so I expect my cars to hold up well.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            I have over three years and just over 50K miles now (I ordered it as soon as the ordering window opened). I’ve been very happy with the vehicle. I just had my 50K mile service and everything is fine. The Ford/Toyota hybrid systems reliable and long lasting, plus they put almost no wear on the brakes. I am just over 41 MPG for the life of the vehicle. It will continue to drop until winter is over. The cold weather kills the fuel economy.

            I think you and your wife were wise not to get the C-Max SEL because I find the SEL package to get expensive really quickly. The best value is the C-Max SE with the 203A and cold weather packages. That gets you Sync3 w/Nav, heated seats, heated mirrors/washer nozzles, the ambient lighting, power rear liftgate, heated seats, and rear park aides. Myself and another TTAC commenter have that exact vehicle.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I know a certain dealer who happens to have a C-max on special:

            http://www.motorsportsflorida.com/2013_Ford_CMAX%20Hybrid_Palm%20Harbor_FL_259742008.veh

          • 0 avatar
            VoGo

            $10k is crazy cheap. You can always have it re-upholstered in the dead animal skin of your choice.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Flybrian really has a nice deal going there, makes me wonder how it was even possible since he’s got a MY12 Volt for 20K. C-Max me please.

          • 0 avatar
            RideHeight

            “re-upholstered in the dead animal skin of your choice.”

            I haz a choice?! It just needs to be an “animal”?

            Eeeeee!

          • 0 avatar
            swilliams41

            Since this is Texas, I am voting for King Ranch leather. Headliner in alcantara.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            $10K is an excellent price. The engine should be good for 300K miles. The previous owner couldn’t have mucked it up too much in 60K miles. There isn’t really anything to be done until 100K miles.

            This example doesn’t have Nav or the power liftgate.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @bball

            Which is a good or bad thing?

          • 0 avatar
            swilliams41

            Good point!

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            That depends on who you are.

            The lack of Nav is a minus for me, because it has MFT anyway. Might as well have the Nav. It being there doesn’t make the car less reliable.

            As for the power liftgate, that could be something else to break, but I haven’t had an issue with mine.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I see missing both as a major plus in a $10K car. I could see the argument with new or CPO expensive sh*t: “But it doesn’t have nav what about resale?

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            I think that the lack of a power liftgate is probably good when buying used. The Nav OTOH is a minus because the vehicle is already equipped with MFT. Even if you didn’t typically use the Nav, it’s nice to have an 8″ moving map in your car. On a Sync3 equipped vehicle, it won’t matter as much because Android Auto will have Nav on a $100 phone.

          • 0 avatar
            swilliams41

            Funny thing about nav, I have it on both cars and use the maps all the time for either traffic conditions and/or alternate routes. Thats just using the maps display without a destination programmed in. I love to be able to see what the closest major street is when I am in an unfamiliar area. Often instead of using the nav route function the map display is all I need. Use that all the time. I have a phone mount in 1 car where I use WAZE on my iphone. Great but again I use the map display 96%, not the nav function. I always hear folks crying about their phone is all they need but they have no phone munt so what are they holding the phone in 1 hand and looking at the nav function. Very dangerous and would not work for me.

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            bball40dtw

            swilliams-

            I’m with you. I often have the map up, just to see reroute opportunities. When traveling 200+ miles to Northern Michigan, with seemingly everyone else from Metro Detroit, having the map built in is nice.

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    MRF 95 T-Bird

    In the NYC metro area you see plenty of R-Class used as liveries. I don’t know how reliable they are but chances are its worse than a MKX Town Car.

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    FreedMike

    OK, as much as I love the idea of a minivan from hell – and this one is DEFINITELY in that category – who the hell pays $25,000 for a nine year old Mercedes with 150,000 miles?

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      swilliams41

      I did not pay that for mine. More like 18k for a 4 year old one with 50k. That was 2 years ago.

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      jkross22

      It’s the AMG version, meaning different suspension and engine from the R350. I agree with your calculus, though. $25k is way too much for the R63 with that mileage.

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        swilliams41

        Agan, badass as it may be, the R63 is a demanding mistress. Airmatic and the fun that brings to the table, more expensive pads and rotors (must replace the rotors at brake jobs on these), tuning the engine and the AMG beast is a 10 quarts synthetic oil change job, (regular R is 9 quarts so…) premium tires and phew, lots of cheddar to keep that beast going in good condition. It is swhat it is.

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    Marsden

    Ungainly, preposterously overpowered, and afflicted with Airmatic. EOS.

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