By on October 28, 2015

FocusST

The time has come to replace my Cadillac STS with a newer ride, so I have spent the last couple of weeks narrowing down the potential replacements. I have bought and sold enough vehicles that my evaluation process for resale vehicles is somewhat cut-and-dry, but buying a new personal vehicle seems to bring more questions and answers.

The Cadillac STS came from an auction like many of my previous daily drivers. It was a purchase of opportunity, due to low cost at the time. Profitability trumps emotion for many of my car-buying decisions; I care more about how much it costs to buy and recondition a car — and its subsequent profitability when I sell it — than I care about how it feels. 

My new daily driver would be held to a higher standard and feelings now become part of my equation. My primary goal for the new vehicle was to pick something that was fun to drive on my favorite back road, and something that also could be used to learn more competitive driving skills. I also looked at consumables such as brake pads and tires and finally gave a small nod to fuel economy.

I started my car buying quest by setting my budget at $30,000 and looked at new and used cars that were available in my area. On the new side, I found that the Ford Fiesta and Focus ST fell within my range along with the Subaru WRX, which was priced slightly higher than the Ford hatches. On the used side, I pondered a Pontiac G8 GT, a Cadillac CTS-V, along with a Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG and a BMW 535i.

I found examples of each of these vehicles and threw them into my spreadsheet of cost calculations. The spreadsheet consists of vehicle price, fuel cost and insurance costs, calculated monthly. This gives me a nice round number for the total monthly expense of each vehicle. I also listed the fuel economy and performance specifications to give me another set of data points for comparison.

My affection for LS motors pulled me toward the G8 GT and the CTS-V, but I decided to drop the G8 GT after driving one and seeing how the interior had aged and how low the fuel economy numbers were. The CTS-V was also gone from my list due to high overall monthly cost. The E63 quickly vanished from consideraton once I took a look a consumables and common repairs due to potential air suspension failures and rotors that cost at least $1,200 per set.

The 535i was the only one left standing on the used side. It’s a fun car with the 6-speed manual transmission, but the recent maintenance cost of my aging Cadillac along with my knowledge of repairs on past BMW products quickly took the car out of consideration.

WRX

Driving all of the new car candidates was fun, but I dropped the Fiesta ST due to size. The Focus ST and Subaru WRX emerged from the battle as the front runners. On paper, they have very similar specs — aside from their driven wheels. The Focus ST drives like an eager teenager, while the WRX might trick you into thinking that it is naturally aspirated at times due to its fairly level torque curve.

I was set on not having a sunroof/moonroof, but it seemed both manufacturers liked to package them in as soon as you stepped up to any additional options. The WRX base model could be had with a few options, but if you wanted to step up to the Premium level you were forced to get a moonroof in order to have the 18-inch wheels, fog lights and all-weather package. Since none of these options really pulled me in, I decided to look at a base model which put me at an MSRP of around $28,000.

The Focus ST has many choices and I tried all of the options. The seats were the biggest differentiating factors in the packages for me. The base model had comfortable fabric seats that seemed like they would do just as well on long drive as they would on the track. The top-level, ST3 package had full leather Recaro seats that seemed very tight on my wide frame, but might perform better on track if they did not get too slick. The ST2 package seemed to have the best compromise as it had partial leather Recaros which seemed comfortable and snug at the same time. Although the ST2 would force me to get a moonroof in order to get the seats, I liked I decided to look for one anyway. The MSRP for the model can be found in a similar range to the WRX.

The first few steps were easy as I could drop cars off the list due to logical variables, but now it came down to how I felt in each car and that is where my current dilemma puts me. Do I go for the WRX and enjoy the benefits of all-wheel drive while looking at a slightly more spartan interior? Or do I pick the Focus ST with the slightly better interior, but only drives the front wheels? The WRX is also quicker off the line but is only available as a sedan. Although I have another Subaru in my garage and am very familiar with working on and tuning the EJ series engines, the new FA engine is just as unknown to me as the Ecoboost motor in the Ford  — so both are on a level playing field there.

The two cars are very similar in some instances, but each one has it own unique driving experience. Should I give the empty spot in my garage to one of the hot-hatch favorites, the all-wheel drive sedan or maybe pick something completely out of the norm?

[Image Credits: Ford, Subaru]

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71 Comments on “Taking The Hard Road To Buying A New Car...”


  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    Why not G37 6MT?

    • 0 avatar

      I never really warmed up to the G37 and the couple I got to drive felt bigger then they were to me

    • 0 avatar
      Dawnrazor

      My thought exactly. Year-old G37s are easy to find at or below $30k, and a quick search will show that there are lots of Infiniti dealers currently advertising new Q40s in the $34k range (which probably means a $32k bottom-line price – perhaps the best deal out there right now if one wants a smallish, fast sedan).

      It doesn’t have the snob appeal of the German stuff, but significantly undercuts in price, will have much lower maintenance costs and minimal unscheduled repairs (definitely in the top tier of Japan-made reliability), and is probably at least 90% as good to drive. The tradeoff is slightly less poshness and refinement, and some would criticize the feel of the VQ engine (however, others would perceive the lack of DI and forced-induction as features rather than deficits).

      • 0 avatar

        The Q40 is a great deal right now and I have heard of a few people picking them up in the $32-33k range and even getting sub $300 leases on them.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Before you continue I’d like to point out there is no Q40 or G37 listed in MY14 (just a Q50) and I have no idea why. I speculate in 2013/14 when the MY14s were still being sold, G37s were still being built but as 2013s for whatever reason.

        So in the extra clean category there is a 5K premium for Q50 over Q40 in last year’s model year with the MY13 G37 matching the Q40 in xc but then gradually losing the premium with miles. This is interesting as G37 at this point is technically 3 model years old. I’d also point out in my data there was only ONE 6 spd sold on the block recently, an MY13 G37 Sport sedan in Riverside, CA. These RWD Infinitis in general are not common cars nationally, with the new Q50 making up at least half, but they may represent a true diamond in the rough.

        MY13 Infiniti G37 2WD Sport

        09/09/15 SF BAY Factory $23,500 14,406 Avg MOONLIGH 6G A Yes
        09/09/15 PALM BCH Factory $24,200 21,822 Above BLACK OB 6G A Yes
        10/22/15 RIVRSIDE Factory $23,500 22,410 Avg MALBEC B 6G 6 Yes
        10/07/15 PALM BCH Factory $24,200 23,559 Above LIQUID P 6G A Yes
        09/09/15 PALM BCH Factory $20,800 36,783 Below BLACK OB 6G A Yes
        09/29/15 STATESVL Regular $20,800 41,778 Below BLACK 6G O Yes
        09/09/15 PALM BCH Factory $22,800 44,132 Avg LIQUID P 6G A Yes

        MY15 Infiniti Q40 2WD Sedan (base)

        05/28/15 PALM BCH Factory $25,800 3,451 Avg GRAPHITE 6G A Yes
        07/01/15 DALLAS Factory $24,400 5,473 Avg GRAY 6G A Yes
        08/18/15 GEORGIA Lease $26,400 6,626 Above MOONLIGH 6G A Yes
        08/11/15 RIVRSIDE Factory $22,000 6,891 Below BLACK 6G A No
        10/06/15 ORLANDO Lease $25,200 11,198 Avg MOONLIGH 6G A Yes
        09/25/15 NEVADA Regular $24,000 13,089 Below BLACK 6G A Yes

        MY15 Q50 2WD Sedan (base)

        10/27/15 RIVRSIDE Lease $30,500 280 Above HAGANE B 6G A Yes
        10/08/15 PHOENIX Regular $30,000 1,381 Above BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/15/15 TX HOBBY Regular $35,000 3,038 Above BLACK 6G A No
        10/27/15 ORLANDO Regular $30,500 5,109 Above WHITE 6G A Yes
        10/27/15 ORLANDO Lease $28,700 11,058 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
        10/16/15 FT LAUD Lease $29,700 11,630 Above BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/05/15 HOUSTON Lease $29,500 11,633 Avg 5350147 6G A Yes
        10/02/15 FT LAUD Lease $30,000 11,737 Above SILVER 6G A Yes
        09/29/15 RIVRSIDE Lease $26,000 12,036 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
        09/29/15 RIVRSIDE Lease $26,750 12,126 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/09/15 FT LAUD Lease $28,800 12,537 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
        10/08/15 DARLNTON Lease $26,300 12,675 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/09/15 FT LAUD Lease $28,800 12,704 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/06/15 RIVRSIDE Lease $25,750 12,847 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/23/15 FT LAUD Lease $29,100 13,376 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/01/15 SO CAL Lease $26,500 13,508 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/16/15 FT LAUD Lease $29,400 13,804 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
        10/16/15 FT LAUD Lease $28,500 14,262 Avg GREY 6G A Yes
        10/23/15 FT LAUD Lease $28,500 14,642 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/06/15 RIVRSIDE Lease $26,250 14,863 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/09/15 HOUSTON Lease $27,000 15,361 Avg SILVER 6G A Yes
        10/27/15 RIVRSIDE Lease $26,000 15,650 Avg BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/27/15 RIVRSIDE Lease $25,500 16,343 Below SILVER 6G A Yes
        10/27/15 ORLANDO Lease $25,300 17,056 Below BLACK 6G A Yes
        10/06/15 RIVRSIDE Lease $24,750 17,316 Below SILVER 6G A Yes
        10/22/15 TX HOBBY Regular $25,200 17,538 Below RED 6G A Yes

        • 0 avatar

          I looked briefly at the Infiniti models and noticed the same in regards to the 6MT. They can be had for a great price in lightly used condition but they did not make my cut as I did not find them as fun to drive as some of the other models

      • 0 avatar
        krhodes1

        Whenever I have driven a G37, and I have had a bunch of them as rentals, all I can think of is that it is just sooo obvious why they are so much cheaper than a German equivalent. Just so CHEAP. But not cheap enough for me to live with. If I wanted fast and cheap I would get a Mustang.

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    Why isn’t the answer Mazda Miata (with a beater pick-up) beside it?

    • 0 avatar

      That is a good suggestion. I do have a beater pickup and I enjoyed the new Miata when I got to drive one recently but since I often have 3 people in the car I skipped that option.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        Mustang GT or Lex IS?

        • 0 avatar

          I like the Mustang GT but just could not see it as a daily car for me. I looked at used IS F’s and the nicer ones were just out of my price range.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Quite a quandary.

            Jag X350 (XJ8) through MY09, or Jag DEW98 (S-Type/XF) and wrench it? I hear good things on the later Forded up Jags. The XK coupes tend to cost more and you sound as if a sedan is a better choice.

          • 0 avatar
            Kyree S. Williams

            There wasn’t ever much “Ford” in the 2004/2009 XJ, and they didn’t necessarily even contribute much to its development beside financial backing, although it’s easily one of the best long-term flagship cars to own from that era. The S-Type and X-Type, which are heavily related to Ford/Lincoln products, are crap-shoots. The XK is a big no-no, in terms of insurance costs and upkeep.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I wouldn’t take a free USDM X-type.

          • 0 avatar
            Erikstrawn

            I’ve been dailying an ’06 Mustang GT since ’08. It’s been one of the best DDs I’ve ever had, and I autocross it whenever I get a chance. It’s practical and the back seats are still usable until your kids reach 6′ tall.

    • 0 avatar
      cretinx

      This.

    • 0 avatar
      jmo

      A Miata is fun only in small doses?

      • 0 avatar
        jdmcomp

        Yep, best car ever for trips of 50 miles or less, after that the thin seats with little adjustment, noise, ride and tight spaces make it less then pleasant. I got rid of mine and found a used Merc 300 Sport with AMG handling package, AMG aero and 6 spd manual. Much nicer to drive and handles quite nicely to boot. Maybe if I was a 20 something, but no, much older and wiser.

        • 0 avatar
          Mark_Miata

          All depends on what floats your boat. I’m 54 years old, and I’ve done multiple 2,000+ mile trips in my Miata over the last few years. I guess I’m just more tolerant of discomfort – I had a blast and never wanted to be in another car.

          And I’d say I’m not even at the outer edge of the bell curve – I at least have cruise control and AC.

          A friend of mine owns a 1952 MG TD, and he and his wife do long (1,000+ mile) trips together every summer. The car is stock, aside from a taller rear end out of an MGA. They are in their late 70s, and have been doing this for more than 20 years. He said recently that they are getting more conscious of comfort these days – they now pull over and stop driving if it’s more than 90 degrees out…

          • 0 avatar
            Hamilton Guy

            +1 on the Miata for long haul trips. I recently went from Hamilton Ontario to Mountain View Arkansas to zoom around the beautiful roads there for a few days in my 01 Miata. I had an absolute blast and the slab drive down and back (about 1200 miles each way)was reasonably comfortable.

  • avatar
    drgabber

    Go with the Focus ST. I’ve had mine just over a year. No issues and a blast to drive. Also with just an ECU tune, you can get 240 HP and 340 lb/ft of torque to the wheels.

  • avatar
    cgjeep

    Why no GTI?

  • avatar
    LifeIsStout

    I recently cross shopped these cars as well and also drove the GTI. In the long run actually ended up leasing a S4 (got an amazing deal), but of the other three, I really loved the GTI the best. If the R had been out at the time I might have gone for that.

  • avatar
    Cactuar

    Why ask the internet? Just pick the one you subjectively prefer, there isn’t a right answer.

  • avatar
    ItsMeMartin

    I won’t even try to persuade you to choose one over the other since I have driven neither but I’m with you on the leather seats in the Ford. In the process of searching a used Focus for myself, I went to the Ford dealer today and there was a FoST on display.
    I remember that in every thread about either the FiST and FoST, without fail, there were people who complained to no end about the Recaros. “First World problems” I always thought.
    Boy was I ever wrong.
    I’m quite chubby at 5’8″ and 230 lbs and I felt as if I could only fit in them partially sideways. Sure, they looked great and definitely held well in corners but right now I pity anyone who orders them without seeing if they fit. The “leather at all costs” crowd might not be so satisfied with the FoST, it seems.

    But GOD DAMN HOLY HELL DAT COLOR. The one I sat in was in Electric Orange (Tangerine Scream in the US) and I literally have never seen a more attractive color. It looked orange in most conditions and yellow in direct, strong sunlight. The metallic flakes are subtle but the paint still looks very sparkly. It was downright gorgeous.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    G8 GXP – there are options like Redline Goods to help with the interior and a number of aftermarket infotainment options. You can find a GXP for under $30K that isn’t hammered – but a clean one is still going to be high $20s.

    You’ll likely be able to sell in a few years if you take reasonable care of it for what you paid. The core maintenance issues of bad LCAs were addressed in the 9L3 cars, so really beyond regular service, you shouldn’t have any expensive surprises.

    True Delta is rating long term quality very high on the G8. I’d get over the interior and embrace the LS3. Mine is a garage queen but I can say the insider is as good as the day I bought it – it was dated when it came out in 2009 and so definitely shows its age – but it has aged better than say the Dodge Magnum in today’s Digestible Collectible section.

  • avatar
    michal1980

    MSRP might be the same, but what about actual sale price? I’m betting the ford will sell for alot less.

  • avatar
    Kyree S. Williams

    I like very mature, composed driving styles, so I’d lean toward the WRX…but reading between the lines, and having driven both, I’m inclined to think that you like the Focus ST better. So maybe go for that one.

  • avatar
    axon890

    I had a 2013 Focus ST with all the options. The seats didn’t really bother me after about 5k miles when they broke in. With a 93 tune that thing was a hell of a lot of fun. Traded up to a 2015 Camaro SS with the 1LE package because I missed rwd. That thing was a beast on the street and on the track but felt at least twice as big as the focus and the fuel, tires and brake costs were pretty ridiculous. Sadly it got totaled a few months ago and I ended up picking up a Fiesta ST for a steal. Frankly the Fiesta is all I need and it meets all my needs but I feel like the Focus was just a bit better. I should’ve just kept the Focus in the first place.

  • avatar
    bjchase55

    Sounds like what I did back in 2008 (except I was only looking for new). My three finalist were: Honda Fit, Pontiac G8 GT, VW GTI. Fuel economy was more of a concern back then but I also wanted a fun car. I was coming from a 2000 Dodge Intrepid R/T so wanted something smaller. The Pontiac was a bit out of my price range and the gas mileage sucked. Plus I wasn’t sure of rear wheel drive at the time (I have only driven FWD and Midwest winters). The Honda was a nice car but I wanted more power. The GTI fit the compromise of decent gas mileage and decent quickness. I remain happy of my purchase to this day. I never looked at the Focus because at that time it was a generation behind what was available in Europe. Now, if only I could get my hands on a Golf R.

  • avatar
    05lgt

    Lot’s of long trips? Pick the nicest seats that still come in a car with acceptable fun feel.
    Less long distance and still want to go fast in rain? Eschew FWD and go for AWD with an active central diff.
    Lots of long distance and still want to go fast in the rain? Spend more.

  • avatar
    mattfarah

    For what it’s worth, the Focus ST Recaro seats break in over the first few thousand miles. If they are very tight now, you may want to pass, but if they are only a little bit tight, once you start driving, they will get perfect within a month or so.

  • avatar
    ravenchris

    Good work coming down to ‘snake eyes’.
    I am not a fan of of these two cars.
    If I was throwing the dice it would come down to all wheel drive with the most comfortable seats for the long drive.
    I also think that you will adapt to, and enjoy either choice.

  • avatar
    eggsalad

    I’m looking for a new(er, possibly) car and today I drove a Focus SE EcoBoost 6MT.

    Aside from the fact that the 1.0 is horrible (maybe it’s better in the lighter Fiesta, but that’s smaller than I want) and the transmission ratios are ridiculously spaced, the reason I walked away from the Focus was the absolutely HORRIBLE interior. Everything looked and felt like I was inside a 1987 Hyundai Excel. “Rental-car spec” is not even a derogatory enough term.

    Maybe the ST is nicer, but I somehow doubt they changed the whole interior for better bits.

  • avatar
    Rod Panhard

    The Mazda3 has a prettier and simpler dashboard than the Ford Focus. It handles great, and all models are available with a really sweet six-speed manual.

  • avatar
    robc123

    Don’t buy depreciating assets.

    Save the money, get a car2go. With the excess, retire early or spend the savings on a great vacation.

  • avatar
    Der_Kommissar

    Mazda 3S GT manual Hatch? Cheaper than both, still fun to drive, better interior and equipment.

  • avatar
    Quentin

    The FoST will eat pads like crazy if you do any tracking like you talk about. It uses the front inside brake to make it rotate. The WRX does the same. Both have open diffs. Hence, I place the GTI above both. It also has a nicer interior and weighs less. Since you don’t like the GTI, I’d go with the WRX if buying new. They hold their value well if you don’t mod them. FoSTs have garbage resale because Ford slapped huge incentives on them from day 1, so I would only buy a used ST or a heavily incentivized new one.

    More options: E90/92 M3s are under $30k. 135i is also in the mid $20k range.

    Also, I say this as a spreadsheet loving engineer: don’t use a damn spreadsheet of performance specs and consumable cost to pick out a fun car. Fun cars are more than the sum of their parts and it sounds like you have eliminated a lot of cars without driving them.

    • 0 avatar
      tedward

      The golf family all have the exact same brake based imitation diff, unless you get the first performance pack on the gti. That’s the only way to get the clutched axle right now. It’s really the main competitive feature on the gti performance wise.

      • 0 avatar
        Quentin

        Sorry, I was implying to get the PP. That is a given based on what he supposedly wants to do with the car, IMO. Having owned a 2007 GTI without an LSD and a 2005 MINI Cooper S with an LSD (with less power), the LSD makes a big difference. The MINI is surprisingly good in the snow thanks to the LSD, too.

    • 0 avatar
      Dingleberrypiez_Returns

      You nailed it on the resale aspect. WRX wins that battle, hands down.

  • avatar
    bludragon

    Wait a year for the new civic si/type r and MS3.

  • avatar
    doublechili

    For used, did you consider the Acura TL SH-AWD with the 6MT? It’s a good-sized sedan with a great MT and AWD. It’s reliable with reasonably good performance. And silver or white softens the angular lines somewhat. That might be in the mix for me when I look to replace my car. I guess the question is would a new WRX be better for about the same money.

    • 0 avatar
      chrishs2000

      These cars are extremely underrated and overlooked by enthusiasts. The beak is garish but there are aftermarket fixes. I don’t mind it so much anymore. The car has very good road presence and stance, much more so than the TLX. Yes they feel big when driving moderately because they are big, but they liven up nicely and feel small even on tight curvy roads once you start utilizing the torque vectoring. It’s a total hoot in the corners and very stable/comfortable on the highway. The snow and ice performance of the SH AWD is unbelievable…I actually pulled my neighbor’s jeep Cherokee down our unplowed road last year with 12″ of fresh snow on it after he got stuck and couldn’t get any traction. And that was with all season Contis. It’s 90% of an Audi S4 for 60% of the price, and you don’t have to be terrified to buy it used.

      I got my 2011 6MT two years ago with 65k miles for 24k from a Honda employee…they retailed for 44k but have been hit with uncharacteristically high depreciation for an Acura…now at 118k miles, haven’t touched anything except fluids, front wheel bearings and brakes. Still tight as a drum and feels like it is barely broken in. The manual transmission is fantastic. Hard to leave the brand with an experience like that; pretty excited to look at the new Civic Si or CTR next year if the base models are any indication.

  • avatar
    Sam Vimes

    Oooh, this is a fun thread-type that will never get old. One factor yet discussed is clutch engagement. Like the 2006 Mazdaspeed 6 I didn’t buy, the WRX seems to engage late and all at once and make for an uncomfortably awkward experience. Especially if you have to spend much time in traffic, this could make a big difference in overall likability. Yes, you get used to it. But the GTI on the other hand felt light and predictable from the first shift. I have yet to drive the FoST, mostly because it looks a bit too boy-racer for this middle aged fat guy.

    • 0 avatar
      tedward

      I agree about the Subaru. I’d also say the Subaru had the least comfortable interior overall but that’s based on my own geometry and taste. There’s really no free lunch so Subaru gets their performance advantage but gives up a lot in the process. I really prefer the Ford or vw unless you get lots of persistent snow on the road in your area. That would tilt the fun quotient too far into the Subaru camp to ignore. On dry roads I’d actually prefer the fwd’ers, there’s just not enough power in play to give awd a subjective edge.

  • avatar
    Rizzo_McKay

    If you want a crazier hatchback you might want to look into a Mazdaspeed3.

  • avatar

    Its your car, its your money, get the one that “resonates” the most with you. Which car pulls your emotions the most, that’s the car for you.

  • avatar
    seth1065

    I would look at the GTI again and a Golf R, with the issues VW is having now you should be able to get a very good deal and that may sway you somewhat. I looked at both the Ford and the Subie but could not live with the interior of either. Good luck.

  • avatar
    heavy handle

    “I found examples of each of these vehicles and threw them into my spreadsheet of cost calculations.”

    In my experience, people who think they are buying a car rationally don’t keep them long. You can’t drive a spreadsheet.

    It’s good to know your budget, and have a rough idea of running cost, but that’s it. You don’t want to buy a car that you don’t like for 1 or 2 MPG. you’ll lose more when you ditch it early than you’ll save in gas.

  • avatar
    kosmo

    Down to two, huh? Too easy. Go with the hatch!

  • avatar
    ZCD2.7T

    2010/2011 Audi S4.

    Incredibly well-rounded, fun car to own/drive, and really quick/fast, especially when tuned.

  • avatar
    omer333

    Might I be able to talk you out of a Subaru? After researching the maintenance cost of a Subaru, regardless of model or trim, I rethought my idea of getting a WRX.

    The boxer engine makes even routine stuff difficult and costly.

    If you’re balking at paying for the repairs on a BMW or a Cadillac, then you might want to go with something else.

    • 0 avatar
      Scoutdude

      Unfortunately it is too late but a good indicator is the amount of independent Subaru specialists out there. If lots of them can stay in business specializing in a lower cost lower volume make that tells you something.

  • avatar
    tedward

    I’m in the middle of a similar dilemma. Maybe I’ll just email it in now that I think about it.

  • avatar
    Dingleberrypiez_Returns

    I personally detest the Focus interior. I also hate Ford’s infotainment system.

  • avatar
    wrxtasy

    I am a totally biased person (obvious enough)and even i am thinking a FoSt or MS3 when my lease is up. the MS3 just has so much… drama. I absolutely love it. Fighting torque steer and understeer may not be some peoples idea of a good time, but I find the thrill pretty intoxicating. There is something almost TOO neutral and benign about how the new WRX takes corners at speed. I want my DD to deliver my daily endorphin rush without also delivering me to felony arrest speeds.

  • avatar
    MeJ

    I’ll throw my hat in the ring here. I haven’t driven either of these but here’s my breakdown:
    The worst car I ever owned was a Ford. Never bought another since I was 17 (I’m 46 now).
    Japanese cars have an incredible and deserved reputation for durability.
    I would choose the WRX.
    I also think the Subaru looks cooler.

    Now…A test.

    I’m holding two sets of keys…
    In my right hand is the Ford key…
    In my left is the Subaru key…

    Without thinking about it, which key do you instinctively reach for?
    That’s your car.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      Which Ford was it? The days have long since passed when it was fair to judge an entire make’s lineup based on a single vehicle.

      • 0 avatar
        bball40dtw

        Let alone a vehicle from 1986.

      • 0 avatar
        MeJ

        I guess it goes to show the power of brand loyalty.
        I agree that Ford has come a long way since 1986, but why would I, who works hard for my money, even risk trying out another Ford product after such a terrible experience (It was a Mustang, by the way)?
        There are just too many options in other brands and car models that going back to Ford for a “second chance” is pointless to me. They have to prove to me, the consumer, that their product is worthy of my money.
        I believe if that experience had been positive, I may have been driving a Ford product to this day.

    • 0 avatar
      Scoutdude

      Subarus have an incredible, well earned, reputation for blowing head gaskets, eating up CV joints and wheel bearings. Yes they claim to have fixed the head gasket issue in the current cars but they did so in the past too, and once the fleet got old enough blown head gaskets were still way too common.

      • 0 avatar
        MeJ

        I didn’t realize that, but I am in no way a Subaru expert. I guess I was generalizing the dependability of Japanese cars and thinking of Toyota and Honda as the benchmark.

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    jonnyanalog

    I recently test drove both the FiST and the FoST. Both had the Recaro seats and both were used. I preferred the FoST simply because it offered a better ride and more interior volume and was better at carrying multiple people. Once I get settled into my new area the FoST will probably be the car I end up with.
    No experience with the WRX but they do seem nice.

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