By on July 29, 2015


Thomas Kreutzer’s original post about Discovery’s Fast N’ Loud is one of the most popular articles in TTAC history, for reasons that completely escape me. I’ve never been able to watch more than five minutes of the show. I also have a healthy dose of contempt for the show’s star, Richard Rawlings, and his entirely unsupported claim of a “new Cannonball record” a few years ago. To claim a “Cannonball record” for driving a different route from Brock’s original and then to approach the matter of actual proof with a the-dog-ate-my-homework mindset… well, that’s like telling people that you’re the lead singer in a Justin Bieber cover band but that you can’t actually sing quite like the Biebs and you also forgot to put up any YouTube videos of your performances. What’s the point?

Regardless of the merits of the TV show or the tattoo-commemorated record, however, one thing you cannot deny is that Mr. Rawlings is an extremely sharp businessman and entrepreneur who maximizes his profit from every opportunity. And the latest news from Dallas might be further proof of that.

To capitalize on his fame from “Fast N’ Loud”, Rawlings opened up a bar in 2013. One can only assume that it’s patronized by middle-aged, middle-management men who like a bit of the ol’ leather biker cosplay on the weekends. But if those patrons want Patron, they might want to be careful. According to the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission, Rawlings’ operation is playing fast n’ loose with the liquor:

The operation, the first ever of its kind, identified that at least five Dallas-Fort Worth Bars had, on at least on occasion, served counterfeit booze to its customers. At present, the only Dallas bar that has been identified is Gas Monkey Bar N’ Grill.

Not to worry, the bar has an explanation:

“One explanation could be that Patron is served chilled, which can water down the product if testing wasn’t done immediately,” says Mendonsa. “We would never refill bottles with a cheaper alternative or serve a cheaper liquor in place of premium. Not only is that unethical, but also because it puts too much at risk — our liquor permit and our reputation are only two examples. We are too high-profile to take such extreme measures to save a few nickels.”

This explanation, which is more or less taken from a Seinfeld episode featuring George Costanza, did not prevent the TABC from issuing a warning to Gas Monkey. While it’s difficult to muster sympathy for any semi-human being whose idea of a good time is heading over to the ol’ Gas Monkey and ordering up some Patron, there’s a genuine sense of appropriate irony to the whole thing. In a world where “reality TV” is tacitly acknowledged to be unreal, and someone can build a public identity around a street-racing accomplishment of dubious provenance and minimal documentation, why would anybody think that the “top-shelf” liquor they’re getting is authentic? And if you’re the kind of person who prides himself on demanding authenticity in tequila at a bar in Dallas, why haven’t you jumped off the top of a building yet, just for the sake of the rest of humanity?

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82 Comments on “Richard Rawlings Is Fast N’ Loud N’ Pouring Light...”

  • avatar

    It sounds like the Patron promo girls shut you down pretty hard.

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    On the very rare occasion I’ve sat thru that show, all I can see is potentially beautiful vintage cars being f****d up beyond all recognition. And one less antique for posterity.

    • 0 avatar

      @Syke, forgive me man, I’m in the opposite camp where concurs quality restorations make me yawn and look for the exit. The guys who obsess over whether their Mustang has the correct factory over-spray pattern or their battery brackets have the correct part number are especially ridicule worthy to me.

      If it is truly valuable like a blower Bentley or a low production model, great – otherwise build it and drive the heck out of it.

      • 0 avatar

        +100 Dan…might we be seeing pix of your completed Mustang some day?

        • 0 avatar

          If you want to know the history of and what has been done to the ‘Stang go to and search 1967 Mustang. Like all family men it will be a long slow process with many other parts of my life taking precedence over steel and steed.

      • 0 avatar

        The fun part is that after writing the above, I went back and read the original article. Seems like I was originally quite a fan of the show, but it seems to have grown very thin on me very quickly.

        Probably has a lot to do with Discovery and Velocity are full of shows where you hot rod an old car, but very, very few where you actually restore a vintage car to original.

        A lot of that has to do with ease: In a hot rod, whatever you want to do is right; while in a vintage car its very easy to get the details wrong. Which probably has a lot to do with the proportion of old car fixups/restorations on the road today.

        Me? I blame it on “American Graffiti”. I’ve learned to hate that movie.

        • 0 avatar

          In this week’s episode of “Restore To Perfect”:

          Jan spends three hours on the phone trying to confirm with a part supplier that this is, indeed, for the half-year model year, and not for the following full-year run, wherein they moved a screw hole 1/8th inch further toward the front wheels.

          Meanwhile, Craig furiously tries to obtain three parts on eBay and one on Amazon auctions. Can he pull the trifecta on eBay? Will it be sniped?

          Various scenes of the car will be shown, which remains untouched this week while they try to ensure that they are getting, in fact, numbers-matching genuine parts.

          • 0 avatar


            Car snobs are horrible people. I hope to piss them off someday with my disk brake and power steering equipped 50s cars and fuel-injected muscle cars.

      • 0 avatar

        Agreed, Dan. I’d LOVE a resto-mod ’77 Trans Am.

        Then again, the whole numbers-matching mania is clearly more about money than loving cars. The “authentic” stuff fetches a far higher price.

      • 0 avatar

        I absolutely concur. Short of a Bentley Blower or an original Ford GT40 or something of that nature, not everything needs to be parts and numbers matching. In fact, if I buy a 60s-whatever, the first thing I’m going to do is upgrade the brake system to something more modern…

      • 0 avatar

        There’s a happy middle ground. Most customizations are stupid. Most concours-quality restorations are a waste of time. In most cases I want either a very subtle restomod or a car that looks original if you don’t have a magnifying glass but can actually be driven without losing most of its value.

  • avatar

    One of the sales dudes at work gifted me a bottle of Patron Silver recently as thanks for helping out a client. Is it supposed to be good, bad, or indifferent? I haven’t actually tried it yet. I like Tequila, but I don’t know anything about the stuff, since I drink about 4 glasses of alcohol a year.

    • 0 avatar

      Patron is a triumph of marketing over substance. I can’t honestly say I think its any better than a bottle of Sauza or Jose Cuervo’s better stuff.

      • 0 avatar

        Jose Cuervo makes better stuff?

        • 0 avatar

          The grade of Cuervo Kiefer Sutherland shills for isn’t bad, certainly better than their screw top stuff.

          I’m in New Mexico though and the locals idea of a party is to take a bottle of tequila, rip the top off, throw the cap away, and pass it around until its gone.

          Repeat until either the party is over or the attendees have all gone home with liver poisoning.

    • 0 avatar

      It’s the grade above rail stuff. Not special in any way, but not disgusting. It’ll make perfectly good drinks but hipsters will look down at you.

      My interest in tequila lessened over time as I realized that it featured in almost all of the worst hangovers in my personal history.

      • 0 avatar

        @pbr approves this statement:
        >> It’s the grade above rail stuff. Not special in any way, but not disgusting. It’ll make perfectly good drinks but hipsters will look down at you.

        Cannot agree with the hangover part, at least not since I outgrew accomplices who thought Cuervo was drinkable.

    • 0 avatar

      I’ll agree with Dan’s opinion. It is good enough to drink and has a nice bottle but in the price range there are better options. As a free gift you could do worse.

    • 0 avatar

      I get a few of those bottles a year. That and bottles of Grey Goose keep piling up. Throw it in a margarita and I am sure it’ll be fine.

      After living in Tucson and traveling in Sonora and Sinaloa for a number of years, I don’t even try to source myself tequila in the Detroit area. Places like the JW Marriott in Tucson put any tequila purveyor, outside the desert southwest, to shame.

      • 0 avatar

        @bball40dtw Remiscent of your review of the Marriott with a great selection, I don’t know if the place is still there, it has been a while for me…but in the heart of the Village in NYC on either Bleecker or the next street over, just east of Sixth (OK Ave of the Americas on the signs and for tourists) is/was a Mexican restaurant.

        The food was considerably better than run of the mill, though still a long way from really good authentic Mexican food, more like an upscale Tex-Mex, though not as blatantly so as the overhyped El Vez in Philadephia.

        But the claim to fame was that it was started by two former liquor distributor salemen/executives who both had an inclination towards tequila, and prided themselves on some pretty awesome limited offerings, once you could establish a few bonafides.

        Can’t even remember the names of them now (the tequilas or the owners, who may be retired or dead by now). But if the place has remained in business and has continued the tradition, it used to house the best collection of relatively rare tequilas in NYC.

        Well worth the trip, and if you don’t want to have to deal with the food there, there is an excellent authentic mideastern falafel and kebab joint right down the street from Taj Mahal’s old club.

        All of these places, including the Mexican restuarant, are within a block or so of each other, and also of the more famous landmark, the Cafe Reggio.

        Between all of the above, plus a very tiny sushi bar on Thompson, and Rocco’s Italian restaurant also on Thompson, and all of them also within a stones throw of NYU and Washington Square, they all provide ample reason for a trip even from Midtown if you are staying there.

        Some may be gone, I doubt they all are, maybe even all survive. Rocco’s was an institution with the NYU profs and administrators and had been there for decades even when I was there a few decades ago.

        But the tequila collection at the Mexican restaurant was not to be believed…literally more than a dozen rare and high quality tequilas at about a reasonable price for an NYC/Village restaurant, but the quality and scarcity factor was incredible.

        If you get there, hoist one for me.

        Wish I could still make that run, but family duties keep me elsewhere these days.

    • 0 avatar

      I’m not a fan of Patrón. But I don’t really like tequila, either.

    • 0 avatar
      Daniel J

      Patron is sorta considered top shelf. IMHO, its better than 1800. That much better? Not really, not considering the local price difference between the two. Herencia, Hurradura, and Don Julio, similarly priced, IMHO, are better.

  • avatar
    Volt 230

    Why is it that most US car shows suck so bad, instead of allowing the cars to shine, the hosts try to outshine them all to very poor results. Leno needs to produce a real car show and save our souls.

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    I like Fast n Loud but only because it makes me laugh at the inanity of it all.

    Rawlings is a showman plain and simple. If he had been born prior to the automobile he would have ended up some sort of PT Barnum of his time. Oh and I miss Tom and his broken hillbilly English and phraseology that would put Mark Twain to shame if Twain was trying to write a “jester” part for one of his novels.

  • avatar

    Patron is awesome, so is Cabo Wabo. 1800 is a great budget alternative. I’ll pay the premium for the stuff that goes down smooth. Sorry, but I disagree. Authenticity has its merits.

  • avatar

    “Oh and I miss Tom and his broken hillbilly English and phraseology that would put Mark Twain to shame if Twain was trying to write a “jester” part for one of his novels.”

    He’s on the follow-up, “Misfit Garage” which is more like Jackass Garage. Five minutes of that and I’m ready to strangle myself.

    • 0 avatar

      Yeah I don’t need a whole show like that. Just Tom occasionally popping in and saying something where my wife asks me to translate.

      We went on the Jack Daniel’s tour and I swear she should have had a ear piece and me with a microphone translating the guide for her.

    • 0 avatar
      George B

      I’ve met both Tom and Richard in real life. Tom was very strange, but I couldn’t tell if it was brain damage or just an act. Richard Rawlings, in contrast, is much better to be around in real life. He dropped by a charity event at his bar and was unexpectedly a decent human being. He also put himself to work behind the bar to help the bartenders handle a large crowd.

  • avatar

    But Eddie Felson told me this stuff had “low fusel oil” content! He threw in a box of labels with the case I bought.

  • avatar

    Well, if the Patron they’re pouring doesn’t taste quite right, you can always go for Gas Monkey Tequila:

    It’s 69 proof, get it? Giggle, snicker. Yeah, I get that it makes me look like a chump AND is weaker than most other brands. But, the Tapout-clad crowd will think it’s the sh!t, brah.

    • 0 avatar

      When I saw the headline for this article I assumed it was going that you can’t even get Patron at Richard’s bar and ONLY his own brand… and only served to Dodge owners (he does their commercials now if you haven’t noticed).

      Like most car shows on TV it is just for entertainment. It’s also pretty honest as he has taken a beating on some of his “flips”. You do learn something about cars because he often gives a small overview about a bit of the car’s history so I enjoy watching on occasions. Velocity’s Dallas Car Sharks is more realistic regarding flipping cars: buy at auction, apply new paint, put on new tires, fix broken muffler, clear CLE and sell fast.

  • avatar

    While the work on the one car of theirs that I’ve seen was definitely not up to current restoration standards, and while the show and Rawlings’ persona are tacky as hell, Fast N’ Loud has introduced the general public to some interesting cars like the Nash Healey and the Woodill Wildfire.

  • avatar

    More bars (of all denominations) engage in shadiness such as refilling bottles with different branded liquor (or just watering it down) than many realize.

    Even the tree are fake plastic (Radiohead).

  • avatar

    “…why haven’t you jumped off the top of a building yet, just for the sake of the rest of humanity?”

    Maybe the building isn’t real either? Maybe we’re all just tripping balls on a really really big bed somewhere in Barstow.

  • avatar

    Partida 4 life.

  • avatar

    Patron is overrated over priced swill.

    It’s the Dom of the tequila world – something someone orders to impress themselves and those around them, but they have zero sense of taste – both in the literal and metaphorical meaning of the word.

    For tequila blanco standing on it’s own it isn’t bad – but at $40 to $70 a bottle depending on what part of the country your in, and what bars charge per shot – forget it. There are far better alternatives for the same and less.

  • avatar

    I know that I was in DFW once, and the bartender, every time a bottle of liquor was emptied, would use their bottle opener to mutilate the ABC sticker affixed to each bottle. I take it this was precisely to prevent this kind of shenanigans?

    • 0 avatar

      I asked a bartender about that once, and her theory was that the bar owner didn’t want bottles with his numbered TABC sticker magically winding up on the shelves of some other bar following a dumpster-diving expedition.

      (Then again, if she had told me that the moon was made of cheese, I would have smiled and nodded along.)

  • avatar

    This was probably the bar tender and manager making sure they had six figure years. I know if an instance of this gaining at a Friday’s. In that case they squashed it before anyone got caught.

  • avatar

    I am going to say something that most of you won’t like, but here goes. I’ve never been a fan of Jack Baruth, but I’m even less of a fan of Richard Rawlings… Can’t stand the whole “Fast N Loud” crap fest that Discovery broadcasts, along with the other shows that seem to follow the same tired format.

    Time to start something new…

  • avatar
    Domestic Hearse

    So Richard Rawlings sold me a Dodge Charger, but when I got it home, I had it tested and found out it was a Dart. This guy is really starting to p!ss me off. Oh, and the monkey stopped working and now he just sits there in the passenger seat. Total ripoff.

  • avatar

    OK, whether Patron is good or not is a question I’ll leave for Patron drinkers, but this much seems clear to me: if you pay extra for Patron you should get 100% of what you paid for, and that’s not a silly expectation.

    And I’ll plead ignorance on the “tequila gets watered down when you chill it” excuse – it sounds like BS to me, but if anyone knows for sure whether this is true…

    • 0 avatar

      If they are freezing the Patron, and it sits in the freezer for a LONG time, from the cycle of pour, back to freezer, pour back to freezer, yes, it will start to water down.

      We discovered this in my home bar (see my reply on the Camaro SS review yesterday, never thought that non-sequitur would be relevant in another TTAC discussion) with a bottle of Spudka (no longer in production) that I kept in the freezer.

      With that said, it would take months for this to happen and for it to water down. I sincerely doubt their volume of business on a bottle of Patron is measured in months – heck on a good weekend it is probably measured in hours.

      In that case, simply no way it would water down.

      We were heart broken when we pulled out the last of the Spudka to find it basically ruined and flavorless. It was tremendous vodka, possible the best deal on the planet. Hood River Distillers pulled the plug on it about 4 or 5 years ago.

      Sad – very sad.

      APaGttH – vodka and tequila snob, starting to get into gin but doesn’t know enough, will never like Scotch as long as I live

      • 0 avatar
        Jack Baruth

        If you liked Spudka, try Prairie.

      • 0 avatar

        I’ll take the scotch. Yum!

      • 0 avatar

        Isn’t good vodka supposed to be colorless and flavorless?

        • 0 avatar

          I never understood this, unless “flavorless” means “tastes like pure ethanol.” Alcohol flavor is alcohol flavor.

          • 0 avatar

            The preferred vodka style, great for mixing with grape juice so that naive coeds thought it was smooth and not very heavily loaded, was Everclear, pure grain alcohol. I forget if it was that or another brand that could be had at about 180 proof.

            Had to be careful with a lighter around it.

            The concoction with grape juice had various sacrilegious names, starting with P for Purple or C for Creeping, the closest you could come to standing after drinking it.

            But my taste in women was more towards ones who could handle a shot or two of tequila, or at least a decently made cocktail, not the ones who needed their drink to taste like a kiddy drink.

            But when you used to have to travel across a swamp and a county line to get pure grain at the U of Fla, a hell of a lot of it went north from the two stores across the line, and back to the vicinity of the school, such as it was.

            I certainly was schooled there, but my true formal education didn’t seriously begin for a few more years. But it was a fun time, and contrary to popular sayings, I do remember most of it.

            But pure grain alcohol was closest in taste to real Virginia triple distilled mountain dew, and not the soda kind.

          • 0 avatar

            “Alcohol flavor is alcohol flavor”

            Yes! Finally! Someone else who can taste that stuff!

      • 0 avatar

        Extra agree with the hypnotic amphibian, HRD used to kick out the best value-priced well drink stuff. Just flew over Hood River this afternoon on a Horizon flight and when I identified Hood River below us my seat mate muttered, “Man, they used to make a good cheap Vodka.”

    • 0 avatar

      Any substance that you keep chilled will get watered down if you open the bottle while it is still cold, because you get condensation on the inside of the bottle. Thus the lower the volume left, the more it will get watered down as there is more surface area for condensation to form on the inside of the bottle. Not leaving the bottle uncapped for significant time will obviously reduce this.

  • avatar

    Jack, I thought you to be a Ketel One guy.

  • avatar
    Jean-Pierre Sarti

    when i first heard about the show i was excited and hoping for an American version of Wheeler Dealers. Instead we got a bunch of clowns disguised as car guys.

  • avatar

    I remember going to Canadian Duty Free in Windsor (back in 1999) and getting 1 liter (that’s MORE than a fifth) of Stoli for $8 U.S. or Absolut for $12.99.

    Get off my lawn!

    • 0 avatar

      Was that after you bought a suit at Freeds and went to Tunnel Bar-B-Q?

      • 0 avatar

        Don Cherry’s to watch Wings in the playoffs, Windsor ballet, Tunnel Barbeque…50 US cent Molson Golden nights at dive bars…

        …those were the days.

      • 0 avatar

        My son and I once bought suits at Freed’s. When I picked them up, the U.S. Border Patrol agent was doing his job well, because when I told him I was bringing back a couple of suits from Freed’s and pointed to the garment bag hanging in the back, he asked me, “What color are the suits?”

        • 0 avatar

          @Ronnie Did the BP agent ask you how many buttons they had?

          (In case you missed it, a reference to Bark’s You Simply Must article on Jack’s personal site, where more than one of the B&B entered the fray.)

          Final score was terminally hip younger guys: two buttons only, ever.

          Guys who had been around longer, and probably were old enough to be the former category’s fathers: three button is more high-end, never went out of style, in spite of the pronouncements of the terminally hip younger set.

          And anyone throwing away their 43R three button suits can send them to me.

          The hell with trendy fashion, and stay off of my lawn. Don’t lean on my fender, either, it’s not a f*ing park bench.

          • 0 avatar

            Bark’s advice isn’t terrible if you are just starting to build a professional wardrobe. Buy less things that are higher quality and rarely change (and hopefully made in the US), and take care of them. The idea that those things are required to make $100K+ is ridiculous though. It’s not even true in sales. In other fields, no one wears suits anymore.

        • 0 avatar

          Ha. Coming back from a funeral in Sarnia, a border patrol agent asked my sister, who was maybe 8 or 9 at the time, all the questions. He told everyone else to be quiet. Didn’t check any IDs except for father’s, who was driving.

    • 0 avatar

      The dollar was strong.

      • 0 avatar

        Interestingly, USD buys 1.26 CAD now, which is remarkable, because it bought .98 CAD as recently as 2 years ago.

        CAD would have to literally go to .50 vs the USD in order to begin getting manufacturers to think about keeping Ontario factories open.

  • avatar
    jim brewer

    A person who buys a drink at a bar owned by an uncool person is a “semi-human being”? Really?

    • 0 avatar

      Answering Jim Brewer’s question: “A person who buys a drink at a bar owned by an uncool person is a ‘semi-human being’? Really?”

      In theory, no. In practice, quite often. And often surrounded by others who are merely clueless.

  • avatar

    I actually like Fast’n Loud, to a certain degree. Some of the episodes get a bit too showy, but for the most part there are a lot of nice cars, and they don’t brag too much about their economics.
    ut, if you want to watch a ‘real’ reality show that is also about cars, you need to watch ‘RoadKill’ on motor trends youtube channel . Tough hard silly realism, blended with an utter lack of planning and scripting, and loads of insane cars and stunts.
    As for the booze. In Norway you aren’t allowed to sell ‘watered-down’ spirits. Which in itself isn’t so weird, although in practice it means you can not add anything to a spirit, but you are allowed to add spirits to drinks. (if not you could not really make drinks at a bar) But, if you put the spirit in the blender first, you are breaking the law, so the spirit always has to be added last, effectively ruining quite a few recipies…

  • avatar

    I’ve said this before, but I find it difficult to watch these kind of shows. Why? Simply because the added “drama” is so fake it makes me sick, plus, so many of the characters look like criminals, and I wish to not be identified with any of their kind.

    These guys (and gals) have never grown up and have the style & lack of grooming, not to mention ink to prove it. That, and the obnoxious “bleeps” to cover obscene words, if there are really any actually used.

    All this overshadows what is supposed to be the subject matter – the vehicles.

  • avatar

    I recall reading somewhere that when Wheeler Dealers was coming to the US Discovery was pressuring them into doing a few cross episodes with Richard. I wonder why this fell through…

    Mike Brewer and Edd China seem like solid guys who actually do cool things with weird and vintage cars. Look up “Attaboy Productions” on ebay — anybody can actually buy a “Wheeler Dealer” car under the condition they appear on the show.

    I’ve always had the feeling Richard Rawlings was a hack and the sort of guy who would throw a small block in basically anything. If this guy gets his hands on a DeLorean I’d bet he paints it.

  • avatar

    I just poured myself three fingers of Buffalo Trace and scratched tequila off my liquor list. Why anyone needs anything else is beyond me.

  • avatar
    George B

    “To capitalize on his fame from “Fast N’ Loud”, Rawlings opened up a bar in 2013. One can only assume that it’s patronized by middle-aged, middle-management men who like a bit of the ol’ leather biker cosplay on the weekends.”

    Jack, I rarely go to Gas Monkey Bar 7 Grill, but mostly because it’s a long drive through road construction hell on I-635 and I-35. The bar itself has good live music and decent drink prices. The crowd has a good mix of people.

  • avatar

    *sigh* This has to be done.

    [Jack Baruth] “Blargarble! Richard Rawlings is a terrible guy! He did the Cannonball Run but didn’t post proof to MY specifications so that means he obviously FAKED it and that’s terrible and horrible and he’s terrible and horrible! Lap-Times! LS-Engine! 360 No-Drift!”

    [EVERYONE ELSE] “Nobody cares. The Cannonball Run hasn’t been relevant since that Burt Reynolds movie in the 80’s.”

    • 0 avatar

      Sorry @Les This has to be done.

      Maybe many do not care, but you are wrong in saying that “everybody else” says “who cares?”

      I am one of the “everybody” and I care.

      And being willing to call BS on BS is a noble calling that prevents society from sliding further downhill than it otherwise would, yet it is a calling that few are willing to assume.

      One of the reasons I enjoy reading Jack’s output is his willingness to call BS when it is clearly BS.

      If you don’t like it, either provide some *convincing* proof, or just move on and don’t complain just because it doesn’t concern you.

      • 0 avatar

        Oh you done done it now. :)

        You care about the Cannonball run, bravo… bravo. Jolly good.

        It’s still not that big a deal.

        As for calling BS on BS.. I guess that only counts when calling it on people you dislike and not one ones you admire.. for reasons?

        Saying Richard Rawlings faked his Cannonball Run record is an arguable point, if you actually care about it it’s worthy of debate. Saying Richard Rawlings based his identity on the Cannonball run however is terribly disingenuous. The Cannonball run. maybe not Everybody Else doesn’t care, that was an exaggeration (it’s called ‘Hyperbole’ children) but it is very very niche. I’m sorry, but it just is. The vast majority of the public doesn’t care, nor should they be expected to, and it’s certainly nothing to hang one’s public persona on as a lynchpin of how one defines oneself. Obviously, since Richard Rawlings doesn’t; he defines himself by a love of obnoxious hotrods, girls in bikinis, low-quality beer and being best friends with the ambulatory life-support system of the most epic beard this side of ZZTop. the Cannonball run is just ‘interesting background trivia, now where’s my beer?’

        And if it is noble to call BS on BS, well then.

        Jack Baruth. You are an @$$hole. I don’t know when this happened. I don’t know if this was a slow subtle development. I don’t know if back in the days of when I was a fan I was just making excuses or just not-noticing the surging tide of @$$holeness, but it’s there.

        The Scion FR-S doesn’t need more power, adding more would defeat the entire purpose of the car.

        The Honda Accord V-6 is faster than the Scion FR-S, this is true. This is also irrelevant. Chirping the front tires when leaving a Scion dealership to prove a point only proves the point that you’re an @$$hole.

        Not everything in the world is about numbers-numbers-mathsmathsmaths. It’s not all about accuracy to the one-onehundreth. It’s not all about Hard Facts made by Hard Men (while hard).

        “Drifting ain’t fast yo.” Right, but it’s fun, and it looks cool. You remember fun, don’t you?

        “The Nurbergring’s varying climates means the accuracy of lap-times blah-blah-blah-blah.” Nobody cares. Seriously. Anyone out there who does care? You’re a nobody. Calling BS on BS and calling a spade a spade. Nobody cares, it’s just fluff. And if you’re getting stuck-in arguing with the nobodies who take the BurgerKingRing lap-times seriously that doesn’t make you smart, that drops you down to their level.

        Nobody Actually thinks the Stig is some god of motorsport, we just pretend he is because it’s fun. Yes, fun. Pointing and doing the Nelson ‘HA-ha’ at Ben Collins has an off at a racetrack only makes you look like an @$$hole.

        Furiosa’s initial fight with Mad Max was realistic. It’s obvious anyone, male or female, with Charlize theron’s build would be at a serious disadvantage in that fight even without being sans-appendage.. so that’s why the whole fight Furiosa relies on sucker-punches and scrambling to get ahold of a weapon because she knows if Max gets a good hold on her the fight is over, and lo and behold it is. There is no ‘Feminism’ here, just a good movie. If you don’t believe that the movie has a flamethrower guitar.. your argument is invalid.

        Aligning with the Red Pill crowd does not make you appear wise in the ways of the internet. It simply calls into question the actual number of sexual conquests implied to be under your belt.

        You don’t own automotive enthusiasm. Those of us who love Top Gear, love Fast ‘n Loud, love hanging the tail out on a track day and spoiling your one-onehundredth of a second lap-time and love cars that DON’T have all the ‘more-equal’ performance stats have just as much a right to love all those things as you have the right to love how much faster your Honda Accord is than the cars guys your dad’s age lust after.

        And all of the above is pointless because You, Jack Baruth, are no better than me. The pricey shoes you buy, the guitars you collect, the lap-times you’ve knocked-out and all the ladies you’ve graced with fascinating nome-de-plumes don’t make you better than me.. and neither does me calling you on your bullshit make me better than you.

        Thank you for your time, and for all the entertaining writing you’ve given me and everyone else over the years, and I wish you well.

        As for YOU VolandoBajo. ‘Don’t like it? Don’t Read It’ is the argument of teenagers defending their Steven Universe slash-fics, not the words used when grown folks is talkin’.

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          @Les, your judgment call that JB only calls BS on people he doesn’t like is nothing more or less than your opinion, to which you are entitled. But you offer no supporting facts as to what you consider BS that JB went light on because of favoritism. So I find your opinion nothing more than that.

          Your statement that Rawlings’ Cannonball Run “record” was arguable says it all…it is not clearly documented, and hence one may reasonably dismiss the claim for lack of solid supporting evidence, hence suspect.

          I’m glad that on your last take, you attempted to educate children as to the difference between a blanket statement and hyperbole, a point that was nowhere mentioned when you first made the statement. And absent the usual internet conventions such as a winking emoticon to indicate that you didn’t literally mean “Every one”, it does not make me a child to answer what was presented as an absolute with a valid means of rebuttal.

          And all the other supposed defining claims to fames that Rawlings sports amount to little more than an attempt at being an elder statesman/figurehead leader of the PBR cap branch of hipsters. That branch, to me, is both an unearned comparison to the original concept of hipsters (see, for example, Norman Mailer’s ‘The White Negro’ for a definition of the original hipster movement). And the closest he ever comes to including nurturing outrageous facial hair as a sign of alleged hipsterdom, may well be a mention of spade goatees, though it has been long enough that I don’t remember, and no longer have my copy.

          But it is a half a world from there to underweight young guys in Williamsburg wearing skinny jeans and an oh-so-ironic Mack Truck baseball cap and drinking a PBR in through his handlebar mustache.

          You are certainly entitled to your opinion of Jack Baruth, though I see no basis in reality for your animosity. A bit of projection, perhaps, or sticking up for Rawlings by firing back at the source of criticism, perhaps?

          The point that Jack was making about drifting was that it did not give one any sense of the capabilities of a car at speed. Getting laid is fun too, but it doesn’t enhance your ability to discern the characteristics of a car at speed, which to my recollection, was JB’s central point when he made his statement about drifting.

          And one again, regarding Nurburgring times, and the factors that affect them, and the attempt to quantify those effects: yes, it is too detailed, perhaps even a bit pointy-headed, for the daily driver who only cares if his car can get out of its own way at a stop light, but for those who want to know how the world’s top cars, or even several alleged “best in class” machines stack up, Nurburgring times give better indication that standing quarter or zero-sixty times do. And there is a higher density of people with engineering and other quant type backgrounds here than on most blogs, so it makes sense that at least some of us might care about the factors that contribute to differences, and the amount of difference those factors make.

          I admit that even with a minor in math from a known math school, I don’t really care that much about times at the Ring. But I don’t think that caring to understand that level of detail makes other readers narrow-minded fanatics, in the way that stamp collectors are often assumed to be.

          I do not concede that Hollywood has not looked at the fact that having a strong woman character in the Mad Max sequel might enhance their box office, and hence caved into feminism as a crass attempt at more profits. It doesn’t seem farfetched at all to me, and if you do, you have a much higher view of Hollywood integrity and ethics than I do, though I doubt we will ever agree on that. But I do think that your implying that Hollywood would not stoop to that places you in the minority of the adult public.

          As to your snarky attempt at a putdown by trashing my statement that if you didn’t like Jack’s writing, you didn’t have to read it (just as I don’t waste time on Rawlings’ clearly contrived persona)…that was nothing more than a statement of fact, coupled with an implied question as to why you read Jack’s work so closely as to be able to trash it in both fine detail and technicolor.

          And adults do not attempt to appear more mature, or more logical debaters, by trying to classify anyone who says that they can just not read something they don’t like (instead of keeping a running scorecard) as being at the level of a child, only reveals YOUR childish attempt to manufacture and argument and claim a win, where you have accomplished no such thing.

          I still say that if you consider JB to be a pompous ass, why do enjoy wallowing through it and launching vitriolic counterattacks? Is that part of what you feel you need to do in order to keep your new American hipster credentials up-to-date; look down your nose with an obvious disdain at anyone who takes real achievements and real differences seriously, instead of just bellying up to the bar with the boys (I find it hard to envision them as men), and settling in to enjoy a cable show on drifting, or big tits and big blocks?

          Sorry, but my pointing out that you had an alternative to doing what you considered wasting time on Jack’s subjects was merely a statement of fact, in the face of your repeated reading of what you claim to be uninteresting. It was not an attempt to win an argument, make a point, or put you down. Just a statement that your actions seem to contradict your words, and that my suggested alternative might suit your temperament better. You seemed to be obsessed with dwelling on the insignificance of JB’s writing, rather than considering that you have no objective reason to spend so much time reading him, other than perhaps a subconscious inferiority complex, or a desire to maintain or gain status at your local “new hipster” watering hole.

          Your attempt at casting my simple observation (about your time budget seeming to disagree with what you claim is worthwhile), as being the mark of a child, is itself a clear indication of your childish simplicity, given the fact that you grasp at logical straws in an attempt to make yourself look like the BMOC (the Big Man on Cars, in this context.)

          And as a closing point, I have not ever seen Jack make a comment that his choice in shoes makes him a better man than others, just that it is his chosen style. We all get to make those choices.

          Jack does choose to discuss his life as a cornerstone for talking and writing about life in general, and that includes his personal life with others. And I see no signs of inconsistency or chronic bragging about either his capabilities (on or off the track) or his equipment that would cause me to conclude that he includes this material as a way to appear superior.

          Those days of having multiple women in my life to discuss are behind me now, but only because I have found the love of my life, and am older and settling down now. But when I was a younger man, and was in search of both variety in relationships and pure conquests, I knew many other guys who were capable of doing the same, and did so. It is not so much bragging, to me, as a man approaching the middle of his life, and wanting to re-examine the path he is on, in part by examining where that has led him recently.

          And the use of pseudonyms (witty or not) is a gentlemanly alternative to providing thinly veiled references tied to women’s real names.

          I had nicknames for many women I knew, nicknames I didn’t bandy about freely, but did use in the company of my best male friends, as a kind of shorthand. And I will bet you have done the same. You just may not have put them down on paper. But since Jack writes about his life, he needs some point of reference for those people, and the nicknames is a good point of departure.

          If you choose to think that that is childish behavior, I will plead guilty as charged, but it is not proof of bragging…just proof of not being as selective in my female companionship in my youth, as I became as I grew older.

          So in the end, if you don’t want to have it suggested that you might benefit by spending less time on writing you don’t enjoy, then continue to read what you don’t enjoy, and continue to toss out constant criticism of the same.

          Just don’t expect some of the others of us to refrain from calling BS on that sort of diving into what you dislike and then complaining about how it wastes your time and annoys your “hipster good ole boy” sensibilities of PBR, drifting and I suppose a heightened (in your mind) sensitivity to the feelings of women.

          That is not the argument style of a child…it is a simple statement of the obvious, that you spend a lot of time looking at what you claim to dislike, and it seems like the world would be better both for you and others if you focussed more on what you do like, and less on what you don’t.

          BTW, I find nothing commendable about pretending to be a man of the masses by virtue of having outrageous facial hair and swilling cheap beer. But someone must be doing those things, so at the risk of being mistaken as a child by you in your childish analysis, keep on enjoying them, as well as figurehead personas who claim to do the same, but when you move into a territory where people (at least some of them) DO care about split seconds in lap times, handling “at speed” and not just at limits of adhesion of tires, and also DO care about hearing the musings of another man, especially one who is a talented writer and wordsmith, and who can and does drive near the limits of auto performance. And who is also examining his life and his relationship to others.

          In closing, might I dare suggest that you might find the writing style of Jalopnik or the Daily Kanban more to your tastes, if indeed you aren’t already associated with one of them in some form or another.

          The B&B here will not be swayed by your argument that track variables’ effect on lap times is insignificant, or that drifting produces driving skill and improved auto evaluations. And most of those who don’t have much use for Jack’s recounting his personal life simply skip over that part and read his automotive output.

          But there are venues for your viewpoint. It just doesn’t match up well with the interests and viewpoints of the majority here, I’m willing to wager.

          See you around, I’m sure, as I’m sure you will find as much fault with my response as you do with Jack’s writing.

          But try to have a nice day, perhaps spending an entire one only reading what you do like, instead of delving deeply into all that you find wrong here, and especially in the writings of JB.

          We will all likely be better off if you do.

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            My comments regarding accusations of favoritism on Jack’s part were spurious and ill-conceived in the heat of the moment. I retract and apologize.

            Richard Rawlings’ Cannonball Run is arguable and you are free to dismiss them if you want to, I don’t particularly care. That’s not the point. The point is Jack made it out to be a centerpoint to Rawlings’ ‘persona’ and sought to impeach him on that, when as I interpret it it’s just a bit of background fluff and ultimately inconsequential.

            What do Hipsters have to do with any of this? As far as I can tell Rawlings doesn’t enjoy Miller Lite ‘Ironically’, he just has shitty taste in beer from being a quasi-Redneck/pseudo-Dudebro.

            Are you calling Me a Hipster? ..but I’ve never been dumpster-diving in my life and I don’t even own a hybrid. D:

            Jack Baruth Has mentioned he will not trust a man who wears cheep shoes, which sounds more than a little elitist. His comments complaining about the popularity of drifting and about having to share track-time with drivers less skilled than he is also has smacked of elitism in my opinion.

            I have no doubt in my mind that Hollywood can and will pander to whoever they think will bring in the most bank. Look no further than Micheal Bay’s career. I just don’t see Fury Road as a ‘Femminist’ movie beyond the whole, “Hey, women are valid human beings to.” and I don’t see why that is a problem. ..but then again I have a broader view of Feminism than can be gleaned from twenty-minutes on Tumblr.

            I have no problems with the adventures of Vodka McBigbra and Drama McHourglass. I only call them into question because Jack invoked the RedPills and nothing of good can come of that. I’m rather disappointed in Jack for going down that path.

            And that I suppose is the crux of it, I’m disappointed. I’ve been a fan of TTAC since the GM Deathwatch and of Jack Baruth as well, how the heck did you think I could amass so many anecdotes? Being a Jack Baruth fan hasn’t been without it’s little niggles along the way, Who ever is a fan of 100% of someone’s output? It’s just that lately, the little issues seem to be getting bigger, and coming more frequently. The bashing of the Fury Road movie based on the judgement of tired reddit memes was especially worrisome and the focus on Rawlings particularly smacks of, “You’re having the wrong kind of fun, stop it!” When did Jack Baruth become so… Bitter?

            But regardless of how much or how little of a fan I used to be, how much of a fan I still am, or if I made all this stuff up and am actually an experimental turingbot unleashed upon everything YOU like by the SJW conspiracy one thing remains.

            “Don’t like it? Don’t read it.” IS. A. NON-ARGUMENT.

            Yes, I called you childish, because telling me to go read Jalopnik (as if reading Jalopnik and TTAC were somehow mutually exclusive) instead is childish. Everything is open to criticism, everything. This is ‘The Truth About Cars’, a site centered around criticism, and one of Jack’s most memorable and enjoyable tirades is him lambasting Porsche for basically saying, “Don’t like, don’t drive.” after blacklisting him from their press-fleet for calling out defects in their product.

            You had some reasonable counters to my criticisms before. Some good, some bad, but either way still reasonable. ‘Don’t like, don’t read’ is NEVER a reasonable response to criticism.

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