By on June 4, 2015

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“You don’t have to meet me inside the airport,” I said, as Danger Girl led me by the hand to the baggage claim area of the Albuquerque Sunport. “I’m not a ten-year-old.”

“I just didn’t want you to get lost.”

“Lost?” My attention was briefly diverted by a curvaceous Latina in some sort of slutty-jumpsuit made from translucent fabric. “This is, like, the fourth-smallest commercial airport in North America.”

“Lost,” DG clarified, following my glance to the young lady who was now obliviously bending over to fix her sandal, “like that.”

“Oh.”


“I’m still angry about what happened last week, you know,” she said, tossing my luggage into the cargo compartment of her newest rental car. “I didn’t get credit for that rental.”

“So?”

“So, it was the rental that was going to put me over the top for my next free rental day.”

“Wait. You’re angry because you didn’t get credit for stealing a Challenger?”

“Because I would have gotten a free rental certificate.”

“But you didn’t pay for the Challenger!” I sputtered. “It was a free rental day all by itself.”

“Not the same,” DG declared, in a this conversation is over voice. “And this new rental car is broken. It’s really slow. I would never buy a Kia.”

“This,” I exhaled, already worn to a frazzle by seven days in which I drove over two thousand miles and flew over nine thousand, “is a Fiat 500L.

“It looks like a Kia,” DG proclaimed. “And it’s broken. See?” She floored the accelerator down Central Avenue. A homeless person leapt to safety from his perch on the curb.

“No, I think that’s about how fast they are supposed to be.”

“Well, it’s no wonder that you never see Kias out there. I call it the Poky Little Puppy. Did you read that book?”

“Recently?”

“No, as a kid, like everyone else. This is a Poky Little Fucking Puppy. I’m going to get another car from the rental agency.” Sure enough, the next morning she returned in a V6 Camaro.

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“How much did they charge you?” I asked.

“How much did they charge me?” The disbelief in her voice was palpable.

“Yes. How much did they charge you to change cars.”

“Nothing. It would have been twenty-five dollars for a Mustang. But the Camaros and Challengers are free. The airport lot is full of them. Because people in ABQ think that a cheap Camaro with tiny wheels is just the fucking pinnacle of human achievement out there, the best you can get. Hey, is that a Nova up there? I used to have a Nova. Let’s go look at it.” And she pinned the accelerator to its stop. Some sort of sizable lizard passed under the wheels with a sodden thump. “This one has balls. Definitely faster than a Tahoe. Hey, here we are. I really like that Nova. But what I want, I’ve decided, is not a Nova, but instead the Lexus RC-F. I cannot be impressed by that Nova, or this Camaro, after having ridden in the Lexus RC-F.”

“They are not,” I responded, “even remotely close to the same price.”

“But I can afford either, so it’s like they are the same price. And the Camaro that was $75,000 was super sucky.”

“You mean the Z/28.”

“Yes. It’s no Lexus RC-F.”

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“To me,” Danger Girl continued, “the Camaro has always been a girl’s car compared to the Mustang. And it doesn’t look like an old Camaro at all. The Challenger looks just like an old Challenger. And why does this have a screen in the dash there’s no backup camera? Is this the same car your friend Patrick, whom I met at that party at Alex Roy’s place, crashed?”

“He crashed the new one.”

“He couldn’t have been going very fast. This is slower than my old 1970 Monte Carlo. Uh-oh.” Ahead of, a white 2004-ish Escalade and a black 2004-ish Escalade were blocking both lanes of the street for what seemed like no reason.

“Should you honk or something?”

“We’ll get shot,” DG reminded me. “This is downtown Albuquerque.” In a moment, the two Escalades drove away and began playfully swerving at each other. “Both of those people,” my companion told me, “live in trailers. But they have Escalades.”

“Well, those are older Escalades.”

“It still makes me want to vote something that is more Republican than the Republicans.”

“Like, the take-Escalades-away-from-poor-people party?”

“Those people,” she replied with a trace of scorn, “could not get elected in New Mexico.”

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We stopped at a motorcycle shop where DG expressed interest in a red-white-and-blue Honda CBR500. The salesman told her, “That’s a lot of bike for a lady just starting out.”

“I had a Harley Softail when I was a teenager,” she snapped.

“Well then… let me show you the CB1000.” Afterwards, having purchased no motorcycles and having damaged only one on the showroom floor (I backed into the mirror of a new Honda CTX1300, causing the housing to snap off and fall) we cruised out to the far side of town and I thought long and hard about the virtues of this erstwhile New Camaro. Nominally speaking, the 2012-on V6es with their new integrated headers can be massaged via bolt-ons into a 13.9-second quarter mile, right there with the Ferrari Testarossa and the Porsche 964 and my Accord V6. In practice, however, these are kind of poky little puppies, emitting a horrible thrashing noise as the automatic takes its sweet time grabbing a lower gear and causing the entire interior to vibrate its brittle grey 1989-Cavalier plastic. The 2011-on Mustang was much nicer inside even if it lacked the sharply-creased exterior drama that still makes this low-rent rental look muscular and menacing despite the tall sidewalls and asthmatic exhaust.

Yet the execution of this fifth-generation car is depressingly Fiero-2M4-esque. To begin with, anything the Camaro can do, the Pontiac G8 could do better. It’s been a long time since coupes were lighter than their sedan relatives, and you can blame things like side-impact regulations for that, but the Camaro’s weight gain was always particularly egregious and it imbues even the big-motor variants with a sort of lackadaisical inertia at all times. The outgoing Mustang was no sports car but it sure as hell seemed like one when driven back to back with a Camaro.

If the insurance companies permit such a thing, a 2015 Camaro will be a great car for an adventurous teenager in 2025 or thereabouts. To a generation raised in the rear seat of Highlanders and Pilots, this will seem like quite the balls-out adventure-mobile, and for kids who grew up in the shadow of the monster Sequoia (the Toyota, not the tree), this coupe won’t seem terribly oversized.

New-car buyers will want to wait for the sixth-gen car, which should be like the ’89 Fiero GT to the current model’s ’84 Indy Pace Car. New GM might still be late to the party whenever possible (see HHR, Chevrolet and SRX, Cadillac) but it no longer terminates model lifespans right when the vehicle involved slouches into acceptability. My guess is the next ponycar conflict will closely resemble its Nineties predecessor: the Camaro will be faster and more capable, and the Mustang will be more usable and more popular.

On the way to the airport at oh-dark-thirty, DG was all smiles. “With this rental, I’ll finally get that free day that they cheated me out of before,” she assured me. “And I’ll have some free upgrades, too.”

“You could rent a Porsche,” I suggested, “or a Mercedes.”

“What I really want,” she replied, “is to rent a Lexus RC-F. But, if you’ve noticed, you will see that nobody ever has an RC-F to rent. Or any Lexus.” As we arrived at the return area, and the Camaro’s door closed with a sickly rattle, and the trunk popped up unevenly on the thick stamped hinges, DG’s brow briefly crinkled. “Why do you think that is?”

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70 Comments on “Danger Girl Bids Farewell To The Old New Camaro...”


  • avatar
    Marone

    I have no idea who danger girl is, but I like her. Pretty much sums up my Camaro experiences and the multiple rentals I’ve experienced.

    Been to Albuquerque a couple times. Apparently I missed the metropolitan area for what it is.

    • 0 avatar
      Windy

      DG is ok but I think Vodka McBigbra was funnier
      But I agree with DG it would be fun to have more choices at the car rental counter without having to pay through the nose for it.

      • 0 avatar
        pbr

        I was thinking DG is VMcBB’s politically-correct nom de guerre …

        • 0 avatar
          Jack Baruth

          Alas, VMcB was released from service in 2014 and is now just my hairdresser, as she was prior to 2009.

          She joined eHarmony and is receiving something like sixty emails a day from men who like a figure as far away from Lena Dunham’s as it’s possible to get.

          • 0 avatar
            GeneralMalaise

            “men who like a figure as far away from Lena Dunham’s as it’s possible to get.”

            Lucky for us, that’s a sizable cohort… at least 100,000,000 women in the U.S. alone…

          • 0 avatar
            ellomdian

            Wait, wait… VMcB was your HAIRDRESSER before the well documented hijinks?

            More importantly, she is STILL your Hairdresser afterwards?

            Not for the first time in my replies to your articles, Teach me your ways, oh Jacky B…

          • 0 avatar
            CJinSD

            So you’re saying she doesn’t look like someone tried to make a snowman out of water balloons?

          • 0 avatar
            fvfvsix

            Hairdresser? You clearly don’t take heed to the hot/crazy scale. Hairdressers, redheads, and women named Tiffany are in the danger zone :)

          • 0 avatar
            Robert

            Congratulations on your new muse, you two seem well matched. Looking forward to more of these.

            My brother had an 88 Camaro RS with the 2.8 V6 when it was new. He was not very happy that I could beat him in a drag race with my 4 banger Nissan Hardbody.

          • 0 avatar
            krhodes1

            You actually PAY someone to make your hair look like that??

            I kid, I kid…

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    General Motors. Garbage vehicles from a hopelessly inept, incompetent, tragedy of a company.

    Start Death Watch II. GM 24 month and 36 month off lease vehicles begin rolling back to dull & slimy GM dealerships nationwide in massive, increasing volume in a seemingly unstoppable wave of craptastic plastic for the foreseeable future.

    Malibus, Equinoxes, LaCrosses, Escalades, Acadias, CTSs/ATSs, Impalas, and Encores Oh My.

    • 0 avatar
      ponchoman49

      I would bet my money more on Lincoln with a Death Watch than GM. Oodles of Ecoboost flaws and problems. Not as advertised gas mileage on most of there Ecocrap engines. 4 cylinder only engine lineup in a 50K CUV. Stupid alphanumeric names. A re-badged FWD based Taurus as there flagship with a cramped front seat and no headroom. Oldsmobile inspired grilles. No V8 engines to be seen anywhere. No RWD based cars. Styling that would look at home on a Hyundai. An outdated full size SUV that looks like it came from 1998. Yup that sums up Lincoln and there declining market share.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        The percentage of revenue spent by Ford on Lincoln is probably much less than GM on Cadillac, but what is the rate of return on that revenue? I don’t know but I’m guessing Lincoln’s is higher for Ford than Cadillac’s is for GM. The product both companies push now kinda sucks but for a death watch to be real, its more about the financial health of the corporation/distribution chain.

  • avatar

    My only concern with future teenagers getting a chance at these V6 Camaros is how long the chains will survive. I had to replace the timing chains, guides, and tensioners on my 3.6L Cadillac STS due to wear which was most likely caused by a combination of poor maintenance by the previous owner and the type of oil we use.

    The chain wore at the pin joints where they became thinner causing the chain to become longer and cause all kinds of noise and some timing issues. Zinc phosphate in the oil and better oil change intervals would have helped the issue but unfortunately we no longer get zinc phosphate in oil for the most part as it harms catalytic converters.

    I got the car cheap because it was salvage and had the chain noise and fixed the chains for about $450 but someone taking it to a shop will get charged $1500-2000.

    The LFX 3.6L chain drive is very similar to the LY7 I have in the Cadillac with only a few slight improvements so I see this issue happening with neglected V6 Camaros in the future. Once they get cheap many of them may end up being scrapped instead of repaired or they may end up as V8 swaps. Time will tell on how the chains on the LFX motors hold up and they may be a bit better as GM has reprogrammed the oil change intervals to come sooner but lots of owners are neglectful. Also, I quite like the G8 GT and it may be my next daily driver once the Cadillac is sold.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      At least they’ll be available in adequate quantity for sale on Alibaba, directly from the Chinese manufacturer that produces them for General Motors’ factories world wide.

      Buy them one at a time or by the case!

    • 0 avatar
      DenverMike

      V8 swaps aren’t happening. Much cheaper to buy same year SS. Crusher snacks starting soon for 1st V6 Camaros of this generation.

      Always skip the V6 when the (normal, not necessarily supercharged) V8 is available. V6 Camaros values will torpedo at some point. Same with V6 Mustangs, Challengers, Chargers, etc. Pickups too.

      But an SS V8 into an iroc-z? Hmmmm…

      • 0 avatar

        I can see that and I am already seeing some 2010 V6 Camaros getting close to the $10k mark on the used market

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          Considering they were only about 23K to begin with before incentives I’m not surprised (so roughly 45% in five model years about right for a GM). The question is, how rough are those priced around $10K? A $10K price will reflect a 3-4K markup so its really a 6-7K car.

          “Especially given its aggressive pricing ($22,995 for the base V-6, $30,995 for the SS), it is likely to do well with its established fan base and should even earn a few more admirers in its new life.”

          http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-chevrolet-camaro-ss-v8-instrumented-test

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Admittedly I haven’t kept up but this is the first I’m hearing of a timing chain defect in the GM 3.6.

      • 0 avatar

        Yep, lots of issues out there. GM has released a few TSB’s that include reprogramming the ECM for a shorter oil change interval as well as replacing the timing chains with a new smaller pitch variant.

        They have even extended the warranty on the chains for some models to 10 years/120k

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          The used buy and hold guy I am tells me I will literally be avoiding everything GM in the future which does not come with an LS variant V8. What a shame as they always made crappy cars with great motors, now if they lost the ability to make a great motor what’s the point?

          • 0 avatar
            EAF

            28, Bozi, DW, can you guys speak at all on GM’s LTG engine, with regard to long-term ownership reliability / issues? I’m getting ready to pull the trigger on something new soon and I don’t think I’d be satisfied with Honda’s 2.4 (torque lack thereof). I’m thinking either a v6 or continuing on with a “boost-ed” offering.

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            Don’t buy any GM vehicle that doesn’t use pushrods.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @EAF

            I think this one is the disaster motor blowing up in all of the ATS models.

            2.0[edit]
            LTG[edit]
            A 2.0 L (1998 cc) turbocharged direct injection version of the gen III Ecotec will be available in 2013 Cadillac ATS and Chevrolet Malibu.This engine is also available in Cadillac XTS in Chinese market. Bore and stroke are both 86.0 millimetres (3.39 in), compression is 9.5:1. The engine uses twin-scroll turbocharger with electronically controlled wastegate/bypass valve, air-to-air intercooler, stainless steel dual-scroll (1–4, 2–3) exhaust manifold designed to withstand 980 °C (1,800 °F) turbine temperature, and rotacast aluminum alloy (A356T6) cylinder head with sodium-filled exhaust valves.[19]

            Year(s) Model Power Torque Dyno Chart
            2014 Buick Regal 259 hp (193 kW) @ 5300 rpm 295 lb·ft (400 N·m) @ 3000–4000 rpm
            (2500–4000 rpm for GS link
            GS link
            2013-2014 Cadillac ATS 272 hp (203 kW) @ 5500 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 1700–5500 rpm link
            2015 295 lb·ft (400 N·m) @ 3000–4600 rpm
            2014 Cadillac CTS 272 hp (203 kW) @ 5500 rpm 295 lb·ft (400 N·m) @ 3000–4500 rpm link
            2013 Chevrolet Malibu 259 hp (193 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 1700–5500 rpm
            2014 295 lb·ft (400 N·m) @ 5200 rpm link
            2013–present Opel Insignia 250 PS (184 kW; 247 hp) @ 4500 rpm 400 N·m (295 lb·ft) @ 2000–4500 rpm

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Ecotec_engine

            EDIT: Yup this is it, the 2.0T. Read the whole thread top to bottom.

            https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/04/rental-review-2015-chevrolet-malibu-lt/#comment-5554026

            @ajla

            I agree with this, but this excludes nearly everything 2009 and on.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            “Don’t buy any GM vehicle that doesn’t use pushrods.”

            Exactly.

            People think my hate of GM is irrational.

            It’s not.

            They make a good small block V8 and many of there transmissions are at least reliable/durable.

            We’re now finding out that the 2.0Ts proliferate in many Chevys & Caddys (and Buicks) are problem plagued, and even their workhorse and ubiquitous 3.6 liter is having serious issues now that its been in service a while.

            And they’re pushing crap & unreliable components in premium priced vehicles, which adds insult to injury.

            GM is a backslider.

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            @28 cars:

            Meh. I’m over GM. The older stuff will always be a part of my life and I would have bought their vehicles until I died but their product choices make it clear they aren’t interested in retaining those formerly loyal to their company. ( unless they bought trucks)

            The quality on my Charger blows so I’m not sticking with them. My next car will probably be a Continental or Lexus GS.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @ajla

            Well put. Someone yesterday made a comment to the effect of have no loyalty to a product as it exists to help you in some way and that’s all.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            28, the 3.6 liter is still evolving (or devolving).

            I defended it a year and a 1/2 ago as reliable and class competitive, at least, but as I’ve been perusing many GM forums, it appears that its durability has been called into question by many (I will be the 1st to admit not seeing a comprehensive, methodical scientific sample akin to something CR would compile calling into question its short or intermediate term reliability as has been the case with the GM 2.0T).

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            What I have concluded is outside of pushrod models, post 2008, f*** GM. I’m ok with that.

          • 0 avatar
            DeadWeight

            28, what I’m about to write is more objectively true than not, though those with pro-GM biases will certainly have a different “take” than this:

            GM really is backsliding. They have a few competitive vehicles such as the Cruze, Version, Stingray (I’ll go ahead and call that one ultra competitive in its segment dollar for dollar against much more expensive high performance sports cars), the Tahoe, and yes, sucker for Opel that I am, the Regal…

            But as I peruse new vehicle prices on GM lots, and consider the quality issues with many new GM vehicles, I firmly believe they’re on track to lose all the “new” customers they may have won in the last several years.

            My feelings on Cadillac are more than well known: ATS & CTS buyers are absolutely livid over resale values and quality issues. The XTS is a fleet special and warmed over Impala with an absolute joke of an MSRP (even if 18k off sticker is anyone’s for the ask).

            GM is having major problems with many of the OHC motors they’re now running, and electronic/electrical issues, as well as driveline vibrations, shudders and camber issues are spoken of al over the place.

            Here’s where GM’s going to get hurt: They’re subsidizing leases by artificially inflating residuals, which means where now near the cyclical point where off lease 2 and 3 year old vehicles are going to flood the used car lot sections at GM dealers, crushing resale values.

            This is very prominent already in ironically one of the few GM vehicles I’d consider purchasing, being the Buick Regal (ongoing problems with the 2.0T notwithstanding) where 38k to 40k MSRP Regals when new in 2012 and 2013 can now be had with less than 40,000 miles (even close to 30,000 mikes) for as little as 15k.

            I can’t even imagine what’s going to happen to used pricing on 2 to 3 year old Cadillac ATSs, CTSs, XTSs, Malibus, LaCrosses, etx , off lease, soon.

            Go to Cadillac Forums and read some of the threads about trade in values (even on V-Sports). It’s the stuff of literal horror stories.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @DW

            I’m well aware of the resale of most of the models as I have made you all aware, but what didn’t click was GM’s subsidizing of leases. So GMAC or Ally or whatever GM’s finance arm is called subsidizes the lease but then gets stuck holding the bag with the 60% or less resale because nobody wants the fracking things on the block? Successful leasing is predicated on predictable resale, if resale does not match the depreciation the lessee paid, somebody’s taking a bath.

            Here’s what might happen, the dealers will hope the suckers, er customers, buy the lease out for the typical 65-67% but those who turn them in will have to be lured back into a new model. GM who is playing fast and loose with MSRPs as it is, will offer a credit to keep the ponzi rolling giving the customer the feeling of a “huge deal” and then take a bath on the resale of the turn ins. Anyone unfortunate enough to buy will get *walloped* on trade as you friend almost did with his CTS-V BUT dealers will dangle loyalty cash in front of them -direct from RenCen- to get them into a new buy/lease. Thus the can is kicked further for another lease cycle.

        • 0 avatar
          nrd515

          How sad is it that there is a problem with timing chains in a modern engine? My Challenger had it with the chain tensioner in it’s 5.7, and at about 40K, it was ready to break. It got fixed just in time. Now it’s GM 3.6 V6’s. It’s crazy. I’m sure the reason it’s happening is for two reasons, money (main one) and noise made by the old type chains. My First car, a ’74 Roadrunner, came with a roller type chain, and it WAS noisy. Big deal. They don’t break, period. This is just ridiculous.

    • 0 avatar
      ponchoman49

      The chain is from a different supplier and I have seen many LFX motors with 100k plus mileage with no ill effects so I’m going to say they fixed the issue.

      • 0 avatar

        Good to know, I haven’t had much exposure to the newer motor but am glad to see that it’s a little more reliable.

        • 0 avatar

          @EAF

          The main issue I have heard of with the 2.0T is bad pistons. Lots of info on it over on the Caddy forum here: http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-ats-performance-forum/613529-2-0t-bad-pistons-roll-call.html

          @Deadweight

          I can agree with you for the most part as all the pushrod GM motors I have dealt with have been very reliable. Once I repaired the chain in the Cadillac it did well but that should not have been a needed repair at that mileage so I am still very distrustful of the newer 3.6L. Other than the pushrod motors, I still have faith in the non-turbo 4 cylinders. The LAT 2.4L in my wife’s Saturn Vue has done pretty well.

    • 0 avatar
      tonycd

      It truly is appalling that GM couldn’t even do a credible job of knocking off a generic modern Japanese V6 with a timing chain.

      With the engineering know-how under GM’s roof, you know it was bean-counting rather than lack of knowledge. It’s impossible to read about stuff like this without thinking about GM still trying to bludgeon suppliers into ruinous price competition with its “One World” supplier initiative (English translation: Match the Chinese on price or we’ll move our contract there for this component).

      Little wonder the newest annual survey of US auto industry suppliers ranked GM dead last – again – among all automakers they do business with. Interestingly, Ford came in a credible third, ahead of the increasingly slipshod Nissan. It’s gotta show up in the products, and it does.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      @Bozi,
      I thought the timing chain issue was resolved a number of years ago?

      I do know Holden with the SIDI 3.6 engines has this issue as well.

      The engine was a joint effort in design and engineering with Cadillac and GMH.

  • avatar
    kvndoom

    I can tell after about 10 minutes in her company I’d never want to talk to see or this girl again. Women that caught up in themselves are a turnoff for me.

    I’m sure I’d bore her to death likewise, and I’m good with that too.

  • avatar
    Reino

    ““To me,” Danger Girl continued, “the Camaro has always been a girl’s car compared to the Mustang. ”

    Not in 1999, when every sorority girl with a bit of family money drove a V6 Mustang.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Where are you where a sorority girl would even touch a V6 Mustang? Around here they’d see it as a redneck car. They drive either VWs or their parents’ slightly used, hand-me-down SUVs or lower-end luxury cars.

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        V6 Mustang convertibles were/are very popular with college girls in FL and TX.

        • 0 avatar
          nrd515

          My sister works at a private college where a lot of rich kids go, and Mustangs are very popular with the girls. They are mostly v6s, but there are a few V8s. The Camaro and Challenger are popular too, but mostly with guys and most of them appear to be v8s. She sent me a pic of 3 Challenger R/Ts parked side by side, all in Hemi Orange, like my car. There used to be a lot of VW Cabriolets there years ago, they seem to be gone now.

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        @dal – For us down here in the ghetto, a new V6 Mustang or Camaro for a teenager with excellent academics would be a dream gift, not an insult.

        But if my kid turned down a new Mustang/Camaro, it would go back for a Spark or something, and thank you very much. I don’t care how rich a millionaire I am.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          I don’t think it’s so much about wealth/poverty as about cultural statements in different regions. They’ll happily drive a Jetta (or, I should have added. base Mini Cooper) that’s cheaper than a V6 Mustang. Domestics in general just have a downmarket rep on the West Coast.

      • 0 avatar
        CJinSD

        When I was in high-school, I hung out with a UVA sorority girl and former debutante from Ohio who’s father had a fountain and a glass elevator in the atrium of his house. I told him he had Omni-envy. She drove a Mustang or Capri that was unique when I met her. It was a small engine Fox body which may have had wire hubcaps. I don’t recall the engine and year, although I’m sure it wasn’t a V8. What I do remember was that it had a custom full leather interior and an audiophile stereo with many speakers. They probably spent more money on the interior than the rest of the car. The next year she had a new GT convertible with factory leather. Admittedly, it was a long time ago. Where I live now though, there are still only two kinds of Mustang drivers: aging baby boomers in Saleens and Shelbys; and young women in regular Mustangs. There may be some armed robbers driving around in beaters, but otherwise a Mustang is one of the chickiest cars going.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    I own a G8. Material and assembly quality in the interior are uniformly terrible, although functionally the interior works reasonably well. But the outgoing Camaro makes the G8 look like a luxury car inside. I really don’t know how you even make an interior that bad.

    The driving experiences are pretty similar, which is a bad thing for the Camaro given that the G8 is a full-size sedan with a monster back seat and trunk. Coupes shouldn’t drive like full-size sedans, even good ones.

    • 0 avatar
      tonycd

      Camaros and Firebirds always had an unusable back seat and trunk. Astonishingly, I read somewhere once that GM did this quite on purpose because it purportedly had research that the owners wanted it that way, as a subliminal self-assertion statement that they rejected practicality.

      I think the automakers don’t get enough credit (enough blame?) for being smart enough to assess the unconscious buying motivations of their audiences. Yeah, they miss the mark with Scions and Jukes for those Millennial young folks. But they nail the bull’s eye with crossovers that pander to mall crawlers’ fantasies of prowling the rainforest.

      There’s some fascinating auto industry research in the SUV expose book High And Mighty by Keith Bradsher. It says there’s a category of moms who are OK with being seen as moms, who have kids and acknowledge that it makes sense for them to ferry around their kids’ friends as well. For these buyers, there are minivans. Then there’s another category of moms: insecure in themselves, not completely comfortable with being married or being moms. For them, there are crossovers with a high seating position that makes them look and feel safe and powerful, and rear privacy glass so spectators don’t see they have children back there and think they might still be single.

      The book gets obnoxiously didactic against SUVs at many points, but this part is fascinating reading.

      • 0 avatar
        nrd515

        If you really need a trunk, the Challenger is the only one of these cars that will work. I can get a lot of stuff in there, even without folding down the seats. I’m shocked that a cart I put in my car a lot will fit perfectly in my car, yet barely fits in other cars and mid sized hatchbacks. I had a rental Patriot and it just barely fit so I could close the lid.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Thank you for reminding me why I love NM so much more than my birth state OH. Mmmmmmmm Latinas in jumpsuits…

    The Camaro is as sporty looking as Hitler’s proposals for supertanks.

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    GeneralMalaise

    Der Bunkermobile…

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    ponchoman49

    Everybody craps on the current Camaro’s interior yet two colleagues at work have 2012 and 2013’s with some miles built up and the interiors are still perfect yet my close friend has a 2012 mustang convertible with but 30k miles and the interior has sunk to a barrage of squeaks and rattles and the driver’s door panel is coming loose! My biggest beef with the current Camaro’s interior is the gun slit windows that are hard to see out of in the back. Have not experienced any other interior issues with any 2012 on up version I have rented or driven in! Still the 2016 looks to be a big improvement so I look forward to checking one of those out.

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      bkrell

      Owning a 2014 Mustang GT (now with 45k miles), I can’t see how the Camaro’s interior could be much worse. I don’t have any squeaks or rattles but…still… There’s very little other than the token tributes to Mustangs past to distinguish it from the last early 00’s Taurus I rented.

      My wife has a 2015 Yukon XL and if GM upgrades the Camaro interior to the same standards, it will be a great car.

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    sco

    Two thumbs way up for the Poky Little Puppy. If you liked the books don’t miss “Poky’s First Christmas” on VHS (long out of print). It is, and I’m not kidding, one of the most charmingly funny things you’ll ever see.

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    Big Al from Oz

    @Jack,
    You are fascinated with your dream girl.

    I do know in the Japanese are designing robotic humans and most seem to be female.

    You could go over and give them some ideas on what attributes are required to make them attractive.

    You could then buy lots of them and become a Madame.

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      Mervich

      Just yesterday, was watching a fluff news offering on CBS Sunday Morning about a robot design competition. Being a somewhat normal male, I had to ask, “why do the female robots have boobs?”

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    Chan

    This date would have been over for me by about line 12.

    Now if she had instead started to talk about Ford’s new flat-plane crank V8…

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    WhiskeyRiver

    I’m still looking for her number….

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    baconator

    Danger Girl seems like an awfully fun traveling companion.

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    roadscholar

    What a woman. Do you find them or do they find you?

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    05lgt

    This is more 50’s to early 60’s HST than Hemingway (if either of them were more or less tame and not so freakishly talented), but it’s still fun to read. Thanks.

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