By on March 4, 2015

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Jeep’s Mike Manley told the press at Geneva that there’s a Grand Wagoneer coming — but the details of that arrival are, so far, thin on the ground.

Pricing and content of the Grand Wagoneer has not been settled, but it’s possible that it will share components with the Maserati Levante. There will also be a single model to replace both Patriot and Compass and sit above the Renegade. Insofar as Jeep is arguably the only American brand besides with Tesla with genuine upper-middle-class credibility, there’s clearly room for a more expensive take on the Jeep formula. Not to mention all the families in the Hamptons who are waiting to replace their old ones, right?

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  • avatar
    Lorenzo

    I really wonder how many people in the Hamptons still have their old Wagoneers. There’s a restorer who specializes in restoring them to as-new condition, and the restoration price is likely within their budgets, but really, how many people have gone that route? A modern Wagoneer with air bags, ABS, ESC, a hemi V8, and all the toys would probably be a big seller, though.

    • 0 avatar
      MLS

      Can’t speak to the Hamptons, but there are plenty of nicely restored Wagoneers rolling around Nantucket.

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        There are still a large number of Grand Wagoneers and IHC TravelAlls running around in the Great Southwest. The dry weather reduces the chance for rust. Sun-bleached paint, yup. Rust, no.

        There always have been a large number of antique Suburbans on the road because of an overwhelming availability of replacement parts.

        But with Grand Wagoneers and TravelAlls parts availability is dire. During this past recession, junk yards crushed and recycled a record number of older, discontinued vehicles in my area that had been previously used as parts mules.

        As a consequence of all this recycling fervor to generate cash-flow for the junk yards, much of the used-parts sources have dried up.

  • avatar
    Jgwag1985

    I thought the new Grand Wagoneer was going to be a refreshed Dodge Durango, isn’t that why FCA is dropping the Durango?

    Maybe my 1985 Jeep Grand Wagoneer will be road ready by 2018.

    • 0 avatar
      rpol35

      I believe you are correct.

      The initial plan was to drop the Durango “soon” but the decision was later made to continue with it through 2017 and then in 2018 it morphs into the “Grand Wagoneer” replete with third seat accommodations like the current Durango and unlike the current Grand Cherokee.

      This is in keeping with the marketing plan to make Dodge some kind of a performance brand and letting Jeep have the SUV’s.

    • 0 avatar
      CoreyDL

      It might be on the same platform generally as the Durango, but was not intended to be a refresh. As far as my reading goes.

    • 0 avatar
      Mike N.

      Also gives them a chance to jack up the price compared to the Durango (why let Mercedes have all the fun with the GL?)

    • 0 avatar
      DevilsRotary86

      So New Grand Wagoneer = 3 row Jeep Cherokee? If so, they should sell a ton of them.

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        I owned two used Grand Wagoneers, way back when, but they were both larger, wider, and heftier than any Cherokee or Grand Cherokee of the day.

        So, I would look to a larger platform in the new Grand Wagoneer, than either the Grand Cherokee or Durango, and more in line with the Sequoia or Armada.

        But I’m guessing. Surmising based on past experiences.

        Would I buy one of the new Grand Wagoneers, regardless of platform? It’s unlikely because we have already have a Sequoia available to us. Maybe if I live long enough to replace the 2015 Sequoia.

        • 0 avatar
          Mike N.

          Problem is FCA doesn’t really have a larger platform for a near-luxury SUV other than the one underpinning the Grand Cherokee/Durango/ML/GL, unless they wanted to shoot themselves in the foot and build it off of a FWD/minivan platform.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            Mike N, I understand, but that is where launching a new product planning strategy comes in.

            We don’t know what we don’t know and maybe Sergio has a larger platform in mind, maybe even built in Italy, Mexico or Brazil, like the tiny Renegade is built in Italy.

            I applaud Sergio for steering Fiatsler in the Grand Wagoneer direction because it is exactly what is missing from the current line-up.

            I don’t expect it to be the size of a Suburban, but I do expect it to be larger than the current Grand Cherokee, with the smallest engine being the Pentastar V6 and shorter gearing to make up for the extra weight.

          • 0 avatar
            Mike N.

            I don’t think that Fiatsler has the means to develop such an all new platform, especially for such a relatively niche vehicle.

            I mean, they’re still using the LX platform they inherited from the DaimlerChrysler days (to great effect, for sure), and the Grand Cherokee/Durango also ride from platforms with DaimlerChrysler roots.

            Otherwise, all their other new(er) platforms are basically inherited from the Fiat side of the family, and all of which are FWD.

            Finally, I don’t think that a Grand Wagoneer has to be bigger than a Durango to be a success — the GL is the same size, and sells well.

            Though the Durango and GL are both narrower than a Tahoe/Yukon/Slade, they are much better packaged on the inside.

            I suppose they could make the Grand Wagoneer from a truck chassis and put an IRS on it like the Expedition/Navigator/Sequoia, but I suspect that it wouldn’t sell and even then may be too much for FCA to bite off and chew.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            Last I checked they had the Ram and a full size pickup is what Ford and GM use for their full size SUV.

        • 0 avatar
          bball40dtw

          HDC-

          This isn’t going to be a Sequoia, Armada, Expedition, Tahoe/Yukon competitor.

          Think Range Rover or imagine they called the Commander the Wagoneer and kept making it.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            They need to be SO careful when they make this thing. It can’t have a Dart clock, or a 300S shift gate, or the door handle from a GC. None of that cost cutting is acceptable at Range Rover pricing. It cannot have a Beats Audio system (R)(TM) BHPH Industries, Inc.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            bball, both you and Mike N. may turn out to be right. My impression about the new Grand Wagoneer is that it will be used to fill a niche, left when the Commander was discontinued.

            (You don’t have to live in the Hamptons to want or afford a luxo SUV/CUV. The current trims of the 2015 Sequoia will make any working man’s eyes water.)

            To me, it makes no sense for Fiatsler to come out with a Grand Wagoneer the size of the Grand Cherokee or Durango since the Luxo version of the current Grand Cherokee (Summit 5.7L SelecTracII TrailReady) already offers everything that JLR has to offer, and IMO, does a better job of it.

            Now, a reconstituted and reinstated AWD Commander, yeah, I would see that as a possibility.

            And IIRC, the Commander was a tad bigger all around than the current Grand Cherokee, or at least it appeared to be when our Grand Cherokee was parked next to a 2009/2010 Commander.

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Commander = Durango = Grand Wagoneer

          • 0 avatar

            Corey, LRs share switchgear with Explorers. No one cares.

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            The current RR has Explorer switchgear?

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Yeah, the Terrain management selector switch was on the Explorer first. The system was on LR products since 2005.

            Regular Mode
            Forest Mode
            Cactus Mode
            Giant Snowflake Death Mode

            Same hilarious icons

          • 0 avatar
            CoreyDL

            So when they tout that in every RR review on Top Gear and give LR credit, they shouldn’t?

          • 0 avatar
            bball40dtw

            Well LR invented the system. The shared switch gear was in the Explorer before the RR. I think LR has changed it so it’s less similar looking, besides the icons.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            I just hope they put wood sides on it. So New England clambake

          • 0 avatar
            golden2husky

            I don’t care who makes the switchgear as long as when you open the glove box, ins!de there is a rotary control for emergency low….saved our high school bacon numerous times….

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    Is that who this car was marketed to? Country gauche wealth? I always thought it was sold more to the Midwest-Northeast WASP set.

  • avatar
    kosmo

    Don’t know if they’ll follow through with the “refreshed” Durango plan, or not, but I test drove the Durango and was very pleasantly surprised. Great SUV. The RWD driving feel is so delicious compared to its FWD brethren in that category.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    No reason for anyone to hold their breath, Jeep considered putting the wrangler into the crossover category, the chance this is an actual successor to the Wagoneer and not just a RWD Acadia crossover is low.

    If they do have the balls to build an actual SUV, I’m all ears.

    • 0 avatar

      Depends on your definition of SUV. If you consider the current Grand Cherokee an SUV then yes it will be an SUV if not then well most likely not. They are not targeting the offroad market at all with this. It will be aimed at beach cruising parents with High incomes.

  • avatar
    DeeDub

    I think that’s the exact model and color Wagoneer from Breaking Bad.

  • avatar
    cbrworm

    My wife would buy one just based on the history. She has asked me multiple times to buy a refurbished Grand Wagoneer for her to drive. I remember them being marginal at daily tasks the first time around, and certainly unsafe by todays standards.

    On the other hand, I have spent many months behind the wheel of the previous and current generation Durangos – frequently driving in and around NYC, which is not the ideal location for a Durango. My biggest complaint is an overly dead feeling gas pedal, which is really a minor gripe and says a lot to how far they have come.

  • avatar
    DeadWeight

    The current gen Durango is more comfortable and as solid & quiet (if not more so) than any vehicle in its class, whether at the same price point, or even as much as $30,000 more.

  • avatar
    mike978

    If there is a single replacement for the Compass and Patriot that sits above the Renegade, then where does the Cherokee sit? I thought the line up would be somehting like Renegade (Honda HRV), Cherokee (CRV), Grand Cherokee (Pilot but without the 7 seat capacity – which is where the Wagoner comes in).

    Having the Wagoner makes sense since Jeep does have a gap in their line up with no 7 seater SUV.

    • 0 avatar
      Drzhivago138

      To the best of my knowledge, FCA hopes that former Patriot/Compass buyers can either move up to the Cherokee or down to the Renegade.

    • 0 avatar

      The way I understand it FCA does not expect the Renegade to sell as well as the press thinks it will sell (in america at least they expect to sell a boat load overseas) So they left room to squeeze a vehicle between it and the cherokee that will be value priced and designed for american Jeep buyers (the patriot can be had in FWD form for well under what the Renegade goes for. So bigger and cheaper.

      • 0 avatar
        Vulpine

        FCA certainly does expect the Renegade to sell; they’ve projected nearly 200,000 Renegade sales in its first year–admittedly roughly 50/50 US/International. They’ve also already planned on at least two more manufacturing locations to better cover certain ‘localized’ markets. Even so, the plan for a single model to replace the Compass/Patriot has been on the books for a couple years already and we should see the results of that one for the 2017 model year.

        Personally, for the moment, the Renegade is my next Jeep of choice–though the Cherokee came VERY close to replacing my Wrangler as the family 4×4 until my wife found a way to get a Fiat 500 at a good monthly payment (Less than $300/month).

  • avatar
    BrunoT

    Jeep’s recent run of sales success is proof that many Americans no longer buy cars based on reliability, as they don’t intend to keep them past the warranty period anyway. They do, however, want good styling (pay attention Toyota) , a nice interior, and some room inside. They also don’t seem to care much about driving dynamics, at least the on-road variety.

    • 0 avatar
      DeadWeight

      You should except the JGC/Durango from that statement, as they’re more reliable than anything from domestic peers or Deutschland, but WAAAAY more premium feeling than nearly any Japanese competitor (only one Toyota and one Lexus can NEAR them in ride quality, IMO, yet neither feels as solid on rough road surfaces).

      • 0 avatar
        highdesertcat

        Yeah, the 2011-and-up Jeep Grand Cherokee has been more reliable, less problematic, than any other Jeep product I have owned over the past 50 years. Maybe it’s the Daimler engineering?

        When the 2014 Grand Cherokee was launched there were some issues, more than when the 2011 Grand Cherokee was introduced. But everyone I know who owns a 2011/2012/2013 Grand Cherokee, in any iteration (V6, 5.7L, 6.4L), has enjoyed a problem-free ownership experience.

    • 0 avatar
      hubcap

      There are many peas in a pod. I could just as well say that the CamCords’ positions at the top of the car sales chart indicates the opposite.

      People like what they like. Putting up with a few inconveniences to drive something pleasurable is worth it to some. Not so much for others

      Also, total car reliability has improved. Life’s too short to not partake in some pleasures. For some, that’s a car whose reliability might be sub par but in the big scheme of things doesn’t have much impact.

  • avatar
    mwgillespie

    Or maybe it just means that “reliable” is relative. The most reliable car built in 1980 is likely near the bottom of a 2015 reliability list in terms of defects per 1000 or whatever metrics CR or JDPower use.

    My impression is that even those bastions of crap luxury over at JLR are only crap by comparison: their defect counts are MUCH lower than in the past.

    I should take the time to do the research and plot average reliability over time. Might be enlightening.

    And my apologies for over-acronyming this comment.

  • avatar
    Tstag

    This will be interesting. Land Rover will soon be launching a range of Defenders, presumably these will square up to Jeeps existing range. The Wagoneer will no doubt target RR but they have a number of significant launches planned….. Will be interesting to see this play out…..

  • avatar
    shadow mozes

    Great News! I can’t wait for wood paneled jeeps!

  • avatar
    Joss

    Gotta luv those evening romantic ads.. Compare the soft ambience of those orange parking lights to todays checkered LED’s.

  • avatar

    This will almost certainly end up on the Current GC / ML / GL chassis…but what about making it Ram based? That’d give the size-up to meaningfully separate it from the GC and compete with the Escalade, et al.

    Towing capacity matters on the bigger SUVs, 5-6klbs doesn’t really cut it. There aren’t that many examples around that can tow a typical wakeboard boat or enclosed race trailer these days.

    • 0 avatar
      Scoutdude

      Or a 4 or more horse trailer which was what big portion of the last Grand Wagoneer’s buyers towed, at least those that did tow.

    • 0 avatar

      Actually never thought of it before but with CAFE rules looking for more wheelbase and width and the current MPG ratings of the ram it might actually be a good idea even as a future vehicle over the Grand Wagoner. Maybe call it the commander or gladiator. Air suspension is already there too Ram has the best riding half ton it really would just need a Jeep Body.

  • avatar
    mikeg216

    It will have 3 rows it will Come with full time 4×4 and have 2-3 trim levels ranging from luxury to oil baron. V-8 and diesel only bigger than a Tahoe and a little less than burban but able to take you places only a jeep can in heated and massaged leather luxury. The only question is if they have the huevos to put the woodgrain on. If they pull this off right they’ll eat Cadillac’s lunch. If you can afford an Aspen ski cabin or summer in the Hamptons you’d never have something as gauche as an escalade in the garage. But a jeep Grand wagoneer would be perfect.

  • avatar
    ronin

    This is, what, the seventh straight year that the new GW is only a couple years away?

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