Monday Mileage Midget: 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan SE

Steven Lang
by Steven Lang
monday mileage midget 2000 dodge grand caravan se

11,285 miles. Or maybe not?

This 12 year old minivan graced a fairly large audience of dealers that were long dog tired of all the minivans that were passing through. There were green ones that were as unloved as they were large. Purple ones that dated back all the way back to the Y2K era and the peak of minivan mania. A red one that came in an unsellable three door version.

Then there was this one.

The auctioneer peered, gazed and squinted at the run sticker on the windshield.

“11,5 miles? That can’t be right?”

After a brief debate with the lane rep, they decided to run it as having 111,000 miles instead. The asking price quickly went down from $4000 to $2500, and within about ten seconds, this white minivan of eternal suburban blandness went for the fair price of $2600 plus a $135 auction fee.

The buyer fumbled around his pockets to show his bidder number. One pocket. Two pockets. Four pockets. Then folks began to notice the usual things of a public buyer that was truly out of his element. He began to ask questions to the auctioneer about the vehicle while the bid caller was trying to sell about sixty more cars in the next half hour.

After the third question, the auctioneer had it with the constant blathering about.

“No sale that last vehicle! No sale!!! Now leave me the hell alone!!!

The buyer slinked back to his netherworld of Hamlet impersonations while the lot manager walkie-talkied their employees to bring the vehicle back through the sale.

Ten minutes later, as sure as Dolly Parton will sing “Here You Come Again!“, at one of her star studded concerts, the minivan went back in the barn.

As the vehicle went back on the auction block, the ringman peered in to see whether the miles were indeed 11,285 miles.

“I think this thing has a five digit odometer?”

I shook my head vigorously at that thought. As someone who used to liquidate about 10,000 vehicles a year for an auto finance company, my one personal tender spot has always been lane announcements that were inaccurate. If there was an announcement on my list that I didn’t believe was right at my sale, I wouldn’t sell the vehicle. Pure and simple.

“Nope, these things are six digits. So what’s the announcement?”

At this point the auctioneer offered me an ear to ear grin that would be pure nostalgia for the both of us. We had been ringmen at the same auctions way back in the day. Both young. Both well educated. Both guys whose only purpose at the auctions was to help the auctioneer create the urgency to buy by pointing our hands towards bidders and yell, “Yep!”

A dealer would wink and sure enough, one of us would yell “Yep!”

Another would tap his elbow. Another “Yep!”

If the bidding went down to a ridiculously low level, like seven grand on a ten grand car, all of a sudden a whole lot of dealers would bid at the same time.

Our job, at a hundred bucks an hour, was to profess the following.

“Yep! Yep! Yep! Yeaahhhppp!!!”

At that moment, the auctioneer gave me his trademark smile and informed me of the following.

“Let’s go back to those old classical days of long ago and sell it as ‘Miles Exempt’. How does that sound?”

Miles exempt is auctioneer shorthand for, “We don’t know if it has 11k, 111k, 211k, or 311k. But since the State of Georgia doesn’t require mileage verifications on vehicles that are ten years or older, we’re selling it the way it is and we really don’t give a flip about the miles. Bid accordingly!”

After another fifteen seconds of “Yep! Yep! Yeahhhppp!”, the minivan sold for $2300 plus the same fee as before. The brief saga that was would be a very distant memory with over a hundred vehicles going through the block in an hour.

But you dear readers get to take part in the aftermath.

Today’s question is this. Study the pictures that I have given you and see if you can SWAG the following for me.

“Does this minivan have 11,285 original miles?”

Statistical wild axe guessing is a bigger part of this car buying business than you may imagine. So consider this an early education. Point at the blemishes or the beauty. Make your opinion known. Then let out your own personal “Yep!” in the comments section below. Oh… guess the engine as well and for extra credit, see if you can identify the two things that were added to this Mommyvan after it left the factory.

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  • Musicalmcs8706 Musicalmcs8706 on Nov 06, 2012

    I'm gonna say leather seats as they didn't come in that seat pattern. If you got leather you got adjustable headrests. And I don't recall leather being available on the SE. Also, I bet tinted windows because the back window is lighter than the rest and has the appearance of having once been untinted.

  • Steven Lang Steven Lang on Nov 06, 2012

    A lot of great insights and observations. This vehicle did indeed have 11,285 original miles according to the Carfax and Autocheck histories. Wheel covers came directly from Autozone. Side and rear windows have been tinted to a far darker shade of black. Seats are aftermarket and downright gorgeous. Now having said that, I wouldn't be too enthusiastic about becoming the new owner of this model. All the fluids, filters, and most of the hoses would need to be purged and replaced. The weaknesses related to this generation would also likely require near-term financial outlays for a new power steering pump, a new evaporator core, and a transmission cooler as well. Long story short, the extreme DIY owner would only be looking at three grand. While the one who seeks an independent garage would likely have at least four grand invested in this model. Is it worth it? If you haul a lot of stuff and/or people, then sure. But most other folks would be better off with a similar one that has been driven 5k to 8k miles a year. Regular driving is far better for a vehicle's longevity than a Rip Van Winkle's level of inactivity and neglect. Besides... minivans ain't selling these days. I now have three tributes to the Mommyvans of yesteryear on my lot as we speak. Not even the Cadillac of minivans, in a Premiere edition no less, can attract so much as an earnest glance these days.

    • Corey Lewis Corey Lewis on Nov 08, 2012

      Seems like I've seen a Silhouette Premiere, a Villager Premiere, and a Monterey Premiere.

  • ToolGuy CXXVIII comments?!?
  • ToolGuy I did truck things with my truck this past week, twenty-odd miles from home (farther than usual). Recall that the interior bed space of my (modified) truck is 98" x 74". On the ride home yesterday the bed carried a 20 foot extension ladder (10 feet long, flagged 14 inches past the rear bumper), two other ladders, a smallish air compressor, a largish shop vac, three large bins, some materials, some scrap, and a slew of tool cases/bags. It was pretty full, is what I'm saying.The range of the Cybertruck would have been just fine. Nothing I carried had any substantial weight to it, in truck terms. The frunk would have been extremely useful (lock the tool cases there, out of the way of the Bed Stuff, away from prying eyes and grasping fingers -- you say I can charge my cordless tools there? bonus). Stainless steel plus no paint is a plus.Apparently the Cybertruck bed will be 78" long (but over 96" with the tailgate folded down) and 60-65" wide. And then Tesla promises "100 cubic feet of exterior, lockable storage — including the under-bed, frunk and sail pillars." Underbed storage requires the bed to be clear of other stuff, but bottom line everything would have fit, especially when we consider the second row of seats (tools and some materials out of the weather).Some days I was hauling mostly air on one leg of the trip. There were several store runs involved, some for 8-foot stock. One day I bummed a ride in a Roush Mustang. Three separate times other drivers tried to run into my truck (stainless steel panels, yes please). The fuel savings would be large enough for me to notice and to care.TL;DR: This truck would work for me, as a truck. Sample size = 1.
  • Art Vandelay Dodge should bring this back. They could sell it as the classic classic classic model
  • Surferjoe Still have a 2013 RDX, naturally aspirated V6, just can't get behind a 4 banger turbo.Also gloriously absent, ESS, lane departure warnings, etc.
  • ToolGuy Is it a genuine Top Hand? Oh, I forgot, I don't care. 🙂