By on November 24, 2010

Behold: the thirty-seven-thousand-dollar minivan. Just to put that in perspective, I’m going to list some of the other whips you could roll (yo) for that kind of money: Infiniti G37. Audi A4. BMW 328i. Those are “entry-luxury” automobiles, and they cost “entry-luxury” money. You could buy two basic Japanese sedans for this kind of scratch.

We’re all rich on the Internet, and we all pay cash for everything, and we all turn up our nose at minor sums like thirty-seven thousand dollars, right? In the real world, however, it’s real money. Figure seven-fifty a month in the typical five-year finance deal. It’s hard to believe that the typical family has the ability to make a payment like that in this economy.

Chrysler states that the Town & Country will now “live” in the $30K-and-up price range. No more budget minivans. If you want one of those, go see your Dodge dealer. The product, they say, justifies the price. Let’s figure out if they’re correct.

Many of the press testers on hand for the Town & Country’s Napa Valley launch event were gloss black, and it’s easy to see why. If there is really such a thing as a “premium minivan”, a black-and-chrome Chrysler is probably it. The exterior has been revised with a heavy dose of automotive jewelry, from the intricate headlights to the matte-finish silver-wing logo adorning the rear liftgate. There’s more visual distance between the T&C and its Caravan sibling than ever before, and both models benefit as a result. If anything, the upscale treatment is too successful; parents might be concerned about what the van will look like with a few kid-related dings and scratches.

Inside, there’s that must-have accessory for the new decade: the one-piece dashboard cap. It wasn’t until I rode back to the airport in a 2009-model T&C that I realized just how much better the new interior is. It’s driver-focused, it’s personal, it’s surprisingly intimate in dark colors, and it’s far more upscale than, say, the Playskool-button Sienna will ever be. The previous van’s “Stow-n-Go” seating came in for a fair amount of (justified) criticism, so we now have “Super Stow-n-Go”, which is much closer to being a full-sized seat. A “private-jet” captain’s chair arrangement is also available, and unless you absolutely require the occasional availability of a flat load floor, I strongly suggest you select it.

The new instruments, HVAC, and selection of sound systems are all vastly better than before… and yes, they have an upscale appearance. As before, the “uConnect” system runs a distant second to Ford’s SYNC, not to mention the myFordTouch, but if your current frame of reference is the navigation system in a Sienna or Odyssey you are likely to think you’ve accidentally boarded the battlestar Galactica. The air vents are controlled by chrome rollers with rubber inlays, the buttons all operate with a definitive ‘click’, and the metal-look interior items are real metal.

A brief conversation with the interior-design team provided some insight into the hyper-improvement wrought for 2011. They know that Chrysler’s had some crap materials inside their cars. They didn’t like it any more than you did. They were working with Daimler’s accountants and being forced to cut every possible penny out of the cars. Cerberus freed them from that yoke and now we are seeing the frankly impressive results. It’s an awfully facile explanation, but I’m willing to believe.

Fate blessed me with an exceptional “media partner” for this event, a fellow named Jeff Yip who was apparently born without fear and who was as interested as I was in this minivan’s dynamic capabilities. The spec sheet offered promise: the trio of disappointing V-6 engines from last year has been banished and now the impressive Pentastar twists through a six-speed automatic. It’s possible to manipulate the side-to-side manual-shift function with the fingers of one’s right hand while keeping the palm on the wheel — very WRC, if you ask me. Several years ago, Grassroots Motorsports showed that a Honda Odyssey could keep up with an E-Type Jag around an autocross course. What could the upscale minivan do?

Even though I handicapped myself a bit by pulling off, standing on the side of the road, waiting until some angry-faced journosaur squealed by in a V-6 Chrysler 200, counting to sixty, and then getting in the van to give chase, we quickly tired of running down our fellow writers on their “fast road drives”. Luckily we found a nutcase in an old 528e, complete with a bungee-corded animal cage in the trunk, and this guy was on it. He drove a nearly perfect racing line in every turn and frequently exited the corner with some slip angle in the rear, running into the triple digits on the straights.

The big Chrysler could have murdered him in a straight line — this is a more than acceptably fast van — so we hung back and instead worked the corners. How pleasant to find that the brakes were mostly up to snuff, the transmission shifted smoothly under manual control, and that the steering was downright decent. I remember a color mag crowing many years ago about the fact that the C4 Corvette could more than double the recommended corner speeds on back roads… well, nowadays you can do it in a seven-passenger breadbox. There’s no pitching or rolling to cause nausea, just a buttoned-down suspension with better rebound control than many Audis have. Very few drivers — and I mean very few — really want to go faster on a curvy road than the T&C can take them. I’m considering taking one to the infamous “Tail of the Dragon” and forcing sportbikers to give me the wave past.

Of course, ninety-nine percent of Chrysler’s customers won’t care how fast this minivan can chew up a back road, and many of them won’t even be particularly interested in one-piece dashboards or sound-system “theater imaging”. Price, reliability, resale value, and capability are the true benchmarks in this segment, and although the T&C excels in the fourth category, the first three are up for debate. I’ll leave the heavy statistical lifting to Mr. Karesh, but my offhand analysis is that the T&C has, shall we say, premium pricing compared to the market-leading Odyssey and Sienna. The Chrysler people freely admit that there isn’t much margin in these revised vans for incentives. They’re hoping that the market will pay more money for a better van. I don’t know if they’re right, but to misquote famous van driver E. Hemingway, it’s certainly pretty to think so.

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67 Comments on “Review: 2011 Chrysler Town & Country...”

  • avatar

    Amazing: Jack Baruth has fallen in love with a Chrysler minivan… Pigs fly, the Pope admits he’s gay, Paris Hilton gives all her money to charity and joins the peace corps (and without any publicity)…
    Looks amazing though. Hopefully buyers will fall, Chrysler seems to be on the right track.

    • 0 avatar

      In case you haven’t noticed, Jack tends to review North American products** fairly well, though I admit to being surprised at this one.  Mind you, like the Fiesta review, there’s not a lot here for actual minivan buyers to chew on. I don’t mean this as criticism, just a note: for minivan buyers, Michael’s reviews are probably more useful, and Jack’s bent isn’t all that useful when reviewing utilitarian products
      That said, this is a pretty good van. Chrysler got the minivan fundamentals right*** with the current model, and really only needed polish and powertrain to compete favourably. If they’ve got that, great, they’ll probably continue to rule this market.

      **Come to think of it, aside from the GT-R, a six-year old race-prepped TSX and a tuned, decade-old Supra, I don’t think I’ve seen a Baruth review of a Japanese product.
      ***In a way that Ford and GM never did.

  • avatar

    Great review, Jack.  I expected the better interior and better drivetrain, but I had no idea the chassis would be so capable.
    As for the price, remember that 99% of the time, these will be sold out of the same showroom as the Grand Caravan.  The Dodge should be the volume leader.  A Chrysler Town and Country should be what it was in 1994 (or, for that matter, 1956) – really nice, expensive, and not seen in every Wal Mart parking lot.

    But is this van really all that high in the real world?  Last time I was in a Honda showroom, the sticker on a nice Odyssey took my breath away.  They all seem to have high stickers today.  Even my 99 T&C stickered at nearly $30k (for the bottom line LX trim)(although I am sure that there were a lot of discounting)  But if Chrysler wants to move the brand back up the price ladder, it will have to prepare for a stiff drop in sales, and hope that Dodge makes up the slack.  If Chrysler can tame the quality issues (or the perception of them), I believe that there will be a decent number of people who will pay extra for a nicer minivan.

    Edit. I did a little quick research. The Odyssey tops out at over $43K and mid-level models sticker at $36k. Toyota is a bit lower, mid level around $33k and topping out at about $40k. These are the only 2 serious competitors. Let Dodge do the volume, and make this van for the guy who would buy a Navigator instead of an Expedition. They are out there.

    • 0 avatar

      I’m quite surprised to hear that the chassis is so capable. I drove a 2010 rented T&C (brand new–165 miles on the clock) for 769 miles yesterday. The steering and handling were both far worse than the Sienna we had for our last long distance vacation. Loose steering, lots of float and bounce in the chassis, and especially in the rear suspension–and this was with six people and their luggage.
      Reliability has ranged from bad (2008) to iffy (2009) for the pre-refresh T&C. Interior and exterior trim problems have been especially common. Hopefully the 2011 is much improved here as well. If they sell them, we’ll should find out soon.
      To participate in the Car Reliability Survey, with this or another car:

    • 0 avatar

      For 2011 the chassis was revised.  And it needed it.  I rented a 2010 and walked away disgusted by how badly it handled.  Overall, the van felt very heavy, with disconnected steering.  Body motions were not well controlled, with a lot of side-to-side movements. 

      If this has been addressed, I’d call the T&C a winner, even without the interior quality improvements.  I can’t wait to look at one.

  • avatar

    Wow…a lot of cars approaching $40k struggle with sales when they’re up against a base model of, say, $20k out-the-door price. Even if you can prove all the additional benefits, it’s a hard sell.
    I think Chrysler has let it go to their heads that VW is selling a slightly upscale van based on their design. Now they want a piece of the action, too.

  • avatar


    I spent some time in both the Dodge and Chrysler at the LA show.
    I was really impressed with the new insides.
    I brought others over to see and all were equally impressed.
    And now I am glad to see I can put a racing stripe on as well!

    Is it just me or did they kind of rework the rear silhouette a little.

  • avatar
    Educator(of teachers)Dan

    Chrysler states that the Town & Country will now “live” in the $30K-and-up price range. No more budget minivans. If you want one of those, go see your Dodge dealer.
    Which is as it should be.  Are you listening GM?  No inexpensive Buicks or Cadillacs!

  • avatar

    As a teen my parent, along with a number of other friends parents, had various years of Chrysler minivans.  Being teenagers we clearly abused them, raced them, used them for completely idiotic purposes, and just generally did things that in no way did any engineer build them to do.  (I still kind of wish I was there when one of the guys I went to high school had to explain to his parents that the reason he ran into the tree was because he had jumped out the side door of a minivan while it was moving.)
    While there might not be as many parents buying minivans anymore its nice to know that those that do and foolishly hand the keys to their teenage sons that they will handle the stupid things those teenage sons will do.  Not only that but it sounds like they’ll trounce their teenage friends in their SUV’s
    Now I wonder if they fixed the issue that when you drive the van over a 2’tall median, launching the front end in the air while doing it and then the backend in the air,  To save 2 cents a gallon on gas that it won’t dislodge the battery knocking off half the vacuum hoses.

  • avatar

    Very good perspective…but in a sense, cars are almost like computers in that we get a LOT more for our money today than we did back then (at the end of the malaise era). I guess the ultimate test will be sales and how they stack up against the market leading (ugly) new Odyssey in terms of value.

  • avatar

    I think the most important question remains unanswered. Will they or will they not sell the T&C with wood paneling? It’s hardly fitting to take such money for a family hauler with a classic name such as T&C without at least offering wood as an option?

  • avatar

    I can’t believe I’m saying I want to test-drive a minivan…but I do. Dunno if it will sell, but I appreciate Chrysler’s newfound confidence and desire to make the BEST van…not just the best value.

  • avatar

    By far the largest purchaser of these things will be the idiot taxpayers….This thing is over-priced in order to funnel profits to Fiat via the public-school-fool taxpayer…Typical method to steal by banana-republic-Democracy-parasite government mobsters.

  • avatar
    Larry P2

    Best story ever of teenagers abusing minivans, and I read it straight offa a police report, in the dry terse language that cops have used since the first cop shows. This cop is following unseen down the interstate freeway at 70 mph, the following:
    Two vans, going side by side down the street, sliding door opens on the right side filled to the bursting point with drunken teenage males, in left lane. Other van, filled clear full with wasted teenage girls, has sliding door opening on left side, in right lane. One male, in a fit of libidinal frenzy, whips open the sliding door, hangs onto the roof rack and dangles dangerously out over the road, whips down his zipper and whips out his erect member, hips thrusting toward the girl van in a suggestive manner.
    At least five of the girls, not to be undone, open their sliding door, and from the cop’s stealthy vantage, scream and grasp and paw unsuccessfully at the exposed member, but then both drivers individually but simultaneously attempt to “consumate” the transaction, getting within inches of the vans colliding before Mr. Cop lights them up and cites all of them (at least 16 or so) for “Conspiracy to commit public indecency.
    Just thought you’d like to know.

  • avatar

    Well if the $37K minivan isn’t rich enough for your blood, Toyota will happily sell you a $45K minivan instead!

    • 0 avatar

      True.  I think it’s gotten ridiculous.
      I just bought a used 09 Sedona LX this year with only 18k miles on it, for $17k.  Depreciated, yes.  Hyundai/Kia pricing, yes.  Loaded with accessories, no.  But very solid, and probably more reliable than the Chrysler products.  I’ve paid much more for much worse cars (Honda & VW, I’m talking to you).

    • 0 avatar

      To be fair, the base Sienna is about half the price of the loaded model.  Minivans can be more expensive, but they don’t have to be.

    • 0 avatar
      Sam P

      Behold, the $48,130 Sienna.

      Admittedly this is with every option checked, but still.

  • avatar

    First, all upscale minivans cost huge money. If you think a Town & Country is spendy, go look at a loaded Odyssey or Sienna. Have smelling salts handy.

    Second, parents with little kids do not buy these. No soccer/hockey Mom will be seen DEAD in a MINIVAN, perish the thought. They all drive  SUVs (even though a van would be far more practical and cheaper). These loaded vans are bought by weathly grandparents. Mine have had a succession of absolutely loaded to the gills $30K+ complete piece of kapoo Ford Windstars, and now have a T&C, but with a VW badge on the nose.

    ~$15K discount for that VW badge BTW. The VW version drives even better than the Chrysler version – firmer underpinnings. Stickered at $42K, IIRC, Gramps picked it up for $27K. It’s nice, I borrow it on occasion when I need to haul things bigger than will fit in my Saab 9-3 Combi. Captains chairs in the middle, electric folders in the way-back. Many cows gave thier life for the interior, and it has a big sunroof.

  • avatar

    It’s about time Chrysler wised up with the Chrysler brand and seriously differentiated the trim and pricing on Dodge and Chrysler minivans.

    Chrysler can (and does in some cases) competes directly with Buick, Lincoln, Cadillac and other semi-expensive comfy cars. 

    Sadly, some of Chrysler’s lineup betrays where the brand can (and has) sat before, one of them being the bare bones minivan.  Others like the PT Cruiser are disappearing.  Leaving the cheap and cheeful 200, which next generation could move up.  Cars like the 300C have competed easily with mid and fullsize Buick, Cadillac and Lincoln products. 

    For a quick fix the Town and Country seems to have come out very well.  Then again it wasn’t a horrid product to begin with.  All of Chrysler’s work the past year seems to be moving the company in the right direction.  Hopefully it pays off for them.

    • 0 avatar

      I hope this is a leaps-and-bounds improvement over the ’10 T&C my group was unfortunate enough to rent this past weekend in Dallas. Laughable interior plastics, insanely uncomfortable (Stow-n-Go) seats, left fender slapped on so it rubbed against the door (may have been a repair) and rattles, rattles, RATTLES throughout.

      And 13,369 miles when we turned it in.

      The fact Jack is so impressed by the overhauled model is encouraging… but given that Chrysler started from an awfully low bar, I doubt they were really able to make a long-lasting silk purse from a sow’s ass. Time will tell, but I don’t think I’d want to be the owner of a year-old ’11 model.

  • avatar

    Ah Jack? The Town & Country looks like a bargain compared to the Sienna and Oddity. The T&C is designed to go up against the higher end trim lines of each of these. The Grand Caravan against the lower level versions of each. Each is priced accordingly.

  • avatar
    Alex L. Dykes

    It has to be said that the new Nissan Quest has a much nicer interior…

  • avatar

    Excellent review but no mention of quality or reliability.  Chrysler has been the dictionary definition of bad quality for decades now.   Their minivans are just plain “crap” and nothing can change that with plants that have union endorsed drug addicts assembling the vehicles.  I worked for 4 months as a contractor in the plant where these vehicles are made in Canada and what I observed was unbelievable.  The smell of marijuana wafted through the paint shop and open consumption of alcohol with managers cowering in fear from the employees.  I have driven several company vehicle Crapavan’s from 1989 through 2007 which all had the same exploding tranny and disposable motors.  Yuck!!!!

    • 0 avatar

      Sounds like someone is suffering from too much holiday family stress.  Have a seat and a drink, and watch some three stooges,  You will feel better.
      I am sure glad that my 99 T&C is in the garage and didn’t read your comment.  It would be dismayed to learn at 198K miles that its original engine is disposable and that its original transmission is likely to explode.
      I was ready to let this go with the “everybody is entitled to an opinion” sigh until you got to the disposable motors.  By what definition is the 3.3 or 3.8 disposable?  These have been among the most durable engines made by anybody for over 15 years.  I am sad to see them go.   I am no fan of the 2.7, but it has never been in the minivans.  Cast iron all the way, dude.

    • 0 avatar

      Stencha, thanks for that post.  Really loaded with quality, unbiased info.  We here at TTAC really are grateful for such input.  Maybe you should see if you could do a UR-turn submission.  This piece really makes me think you would be a great asset…

  • avatar

    Gads, this “upmarket” thing is making me puke – and right in the middle of what clearly is a “downmarket” economy (see 1930s and American automakers like Cord, Auburn & Duesenburg).

    So we are left with the Kia Sedona as the clear winner of the “affordable” minivan segment!

    What will the Dodge flavor come in at, pricewise?  Is it still even possible to buy a “stripper” minivan with manual everything, no sunroof/cruise, yada yada?  We’ve seen lots of CCs on those earlier generation Mopar minivans over the past year.

    • 0 avatar

      Most options (eg, cruise control, power windows, etc) would cost more to remove than you’d save in not having them, which is why they’re standard.
      As for cheap minivans, there’s the Sedona (which is good, but pretty thirsty), the 3.3L Caravan (which is ok, save the wretched engine) and the four-cylinder Sienna (which should be cheaper than it is.)  I know the Dodges are blown out for CA$17K or less on occasion.

    • 0 avatar

      Without moving upmarket, Chrysler as a brand has really no raison d’etre, other than being Dodges with more chrome

  • avatar
    Steven Lang

    Nothing says sexy like a beautiful woman happy to be a mom and a wife.
    “No soccer/hockey Mom will be seen DEAD in a MINIVAN, perish the thought. They all drive  SUVs (even though a van would be far more practical and cheaper).”
    Not in my neck of the woods. Minivans are still the vehicle of choice for mom’s who want the space and safety.

    • 0 avatar

      Yup, the poor folk around here (New England) with kids buy USED minivans – those are not soccer/hochey Moms, and certainly are not the target market for this vehicle. Soccer/hockey Mom’s, otherwise known as “Yummie-Mummies” are the over slim, usually blond, trophy-wife types. The ones who could afford $37K T&Cs won’t be seen dead in such a thing, and drive upscale SUVs, usually with cell phone clasped firmly to the ear. I cannot for a moment imagine it is any different in Atlanta.

    • 0 avatar

      krhodes1: I live in New England too, and the upscale soccer mom’s ride seems to have shifted to the Mercedes GLK. Meh. I see a ton of them on the road lately; they’re not in my not-so-affluent town though – the 5-8 year old minivan is more the norm.

    • 0 avatar
      Sam P

      I agree with krrhodes. Any woman who can afford an upscale minivan in the Greater Seattle area and needs the space for a couple of kids (and their associated belongings and friends) will drive a larger crossover. Toyota Highlander, Acura MDX, or Honda Pilot are extremely popular around here.
      Now my wife and I will have 1 kid max. No minivan for us. A TSX Sportwagon, on the other hand…

  • avatar

    It’s going to be awesome when the nutcase founds this article and blogs how he defended against Jack Baruth (albeing in a minivan).
    There used to be a guy with a stealth tricked-out Chrysler minivan called “Mean Minnie”. I am kinda wondering if Pentastar is turbo-ready.

  • avatar

    I rented a 2010 T&C for Burning Man and was pleasantly surprised at how great it was as a people-and-stuff mover. The 3.8 didn’t like to climb hills with five people and all their supplies for a week, but it rode very well, averaged 23-24 mpg and was extremely quiet inside.

    Glad to see Chrysler is moving the T&C up-market and differentiating it from the Caravan more so than before. A campmate had rented a Dodge Caravan of the same year and it was identical in every way except the T&C had a power rear liftgate.

    It also sounds like 2011’s improvements are all where it matters. The IP and dash look much better and judging by your review, the suspension is much less wallowy (although most of my seat time was with it loaded down) and the powertrain is much improved over the wheezy-sounding 3.8.

  • avatar

    Why anyone would pay 37 large for a Chrysler T$C, when they can get an el-primo Routan for 44 is beyond me.

  • avatar
    Sammy Hagar

    The sweet thing about this 2011 Caravan is that…

    In 2011, it costs $37K.

    In 2013, it costs $17K.

    Okay, I don’t know that for sure, but we all know about the historical “depreciation cliff” that all Chrysler vans go over. So, if you’ve got hot Mormon wife and four screaming kids, just wait a few years and save yourself $20K! I know I will…

  • avatar

    I think it looks great. And I also think they have very likely addressed the quality and rattle issues. They want to be in business next year and everyone at Chrysler *knows* that all merciless critical eyes are upon them.
    And, I respect what they are doing with the pricing. I mean, what’s the point of a stripper Chrysler, when the brand is supposed to be upmarket? If I want a stripper, I’ll go look at the Caravan. Which, I suspect, you will be able to load up to a point just less than the Chrysler in regards to cost and features. Want a fancier minivan? Shell out a few more grand and get something upscale!
    It’s like the 300. Why release the cheap one with the wretched 2.7, cloth, no stability control, etc.? Rentals? They can buy stripper Chargers for all I care.
    Let Chrysler be upscale and priced accordingly compared to a Dodge.
    But Zeus help them if those upscale vehicles don’t deliver.

  • avatar

    Loaded FWD Toyota Sienna $46,445 with no accessories.  You want carpet floormats?  Add $289 more!  You want all-season rubber floormats?  Sorry, not offered in the USA since someone might end up “Moving Forward” unintentionally!  The Canadians can have them though.

  • avatar
    John Horner

    Wow, makes me glad Chrysler survived!

  • avatar
    Amendment X

    More photos please!

  • avatar

    Jack, I’m curious what route you took to get from Napa to Stinson Beach.

    • 0 avatar
      Jack Baruth

      …and I’d like to tell you! But I was just following a map and even though I attend probably four new-car events a year in NorCal, I am completely fuzzy on the geography.

    • 0 avatar

      I could probably sort it out the most likely route myself using a map if I was curious enough. Did you drive across the top of a dam?
      The turnout where that shot was taken is the first stopping point for Marin’s infamous Sunday Morning Ride.

  • avatar
    Dave M.

    I gotta say, put me (obviously very lonely) in the “I like the Routan” column.  The best looking Chryco van.  And deeply discounted.  Too bad they probably won’t get the upgraded interior….

  • avatar

    37 big ones sounds like a lot of dough until you realize that the hideous Oddballessy checks in at 41,500 in order to even get a 6 speed transmission and tops out at over 44K and that is with a less powerful engine, lame as all get out exterior styling and an interior that isn’t really any great leap from it’s predecessor. I would take the TC over either the new ugly Honda or the nauseatingly dull Sienna.


  • avatar

    Where are the 2011 Chryslers?
    It’s December 6, and there are NO 2011 Chryslers at my local dealership.  As of the week of November 20, according to Autonews, they weren’t being built.  Despite the press blitz in October/November, these cars still aren’t in the channel.  No Town and Countries, no 300s, no 200s.  The only 2011 Dodge model available was the Nitro.  No Journey, no Charger, no Challenger, no Grand Caravan.  My local dealer didn’t even have a Caliber, although as I understand it, at least they are in active production.
    Chrysler plussed in November over last year thanks to sales of Ram trucks and Jeeps, especially the Grand Cherokee.  Chrysler won’t reach Sergio Marchionne’s minimum numbers until more new product is actually available for sale.

  • avatar

    The 2011s arrived to placate Conslaw, and I have to say that they were worth waiting for…and also that this is the best mini-van I’ve owned (third one, not to mention some small SUV/crossovers). My 2011’s 3.6 is much smoother than my previous Mopar minivan’s 4.0 and power is just a good (as well as the mileage)…the stow and go seats aren’t as bad as described, and the interior is SO MUCH better than the previous model. Also quieter, as it handles the worst roads with aplomb…such an underused word.

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