Cash for Clunkers Zombie Watch 1: All the Latest News

Robert Farago
by Robert Farago

Just kidding. No zombie watch for the Cash for Clunkers (a.k.a. C.A.R.S.) program, even though it’s already burned through one life and two dealer deadlines. Automotive News [AN, sub] reports that Uncle Sam’s extended the dealer deadline again, thanks to ongoing computer problems. Transportation spokeswoman Jill Zuckman “didn’t specify a particular time for the deadline, and said it depended on how long it would take the government to get the clunkers Web site up so that dealers could file claims.” While the boffins sort that out, more “issues” are arising. As of early Monday morning, dealers submitted 635,186 claims worth $2.65 billion in rebates. Although AN says the number puts the payout “close” to the $3 billion limit, C.A.R.S. may already be over budget. Add up the administrative costs and the rebate requests “stuck” in the system, and the question arises: what happens to those deals that may arrive once in a lifetime, after the money’s gone? Meanwhile, a group of dealers is keeping its “shadow” Cash for Clunkers plan going . . .

We’ve already highlighted some of the scammers who misled dealers and customers into believing that they were “official” (i.e., governmental) Cash for Clunkers representatives. It turns out the same guy who got his hands rapped by the feds for adopting a federal mien found the motherlode with autostimulusplan.comLevel 5 marketing‘s Sean Wolfington has convinced some major dealer groups to dress up their normal trade-in come-ons as part of Cash for Clunkers. I mean, the “2009 Automotive Stimulus Plan.”

Automotive News is happy to promote report on the private program without reservations, and the site goes out of its way to say it’s not associated with the government program. But it’s clear that it’s the same old dealer policies with a new name. Wolfington’s plan covers both new and used cars, with few to none of those pesky caveats that restricted C4C.

The dealer program has fewer restrictions than the government plan. For example, it allows shorter leases than the 60-month minimum required by the clunkers plan. There is no limit on the price of a new vehicle; the government program set a $45,000 cap.

The dealers require that the vehicle being traded:

• Is older than the 2006 model year.

• Is in working condition.

• Has been owned and registered for at least six months.

There are no minimum miles-per-gallon requirements. The replacement vehicle must have a minimum improvement of 2 mpg.

And if not, “the dealers say their plan may vary in some states because of laws governing automotive advertising and promotions.” Or any other reason, really, as it’s not a government program. And there’s no “fraud squad” monitoring its implementation.

Mr. Wolfington claims 73 dealers have signed-up for his auto stimulus plan, including Rick Case Automotive Group’s sixteen dealerships in Ohio, Georgia and Florida. Be that as it may, the success of Wolfington’s program highlights the fact that C4C provided a shot in the arm for all car sales; which August’s sales numbers will prove. But the pull-forward, and resulting crash, may be equally epic.

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  • Christy Garwood Christy Garwood on Aug 25, 2009

    In my opinion, based on a very informal and not statistical in any way, survey I did of my fellow GM workers, sales have been subdued or pushed back while everyone waits to see if they are going to be laid off. And I don't know about pulled ahead either... some times I wonder if the price of a new vehicle is just too much. What would the SAAR be if all cars/ trucks were priced $3K-5K less to match the stagnation in real wages in the last eight years?

  • Kgriff1118 Kgriff1118 on Aug 25, 2009

    No cars are being destroyed by dealers until the reimbursements come through. No dealer would be stupid enough to be left holding a worthless car based on pending government payment. C4C law allowed dealers to store the cars until payment was finalized without being destroyed. Keith Griffin UsedCars.About.Com

  • Yuda Yeah with all the friggin problems these things have, last thing we need is more of these things messing up and clogging the roads
  • Wjtinfwb Nice car and looks well cared for. The accessories are mostly for vanity, their value is in the eye of the buyer. I see zero value in them but I like bone stock if buying used. The problem this seller has is his spec is not at all unique; not a manual, no Shaker hood, attractive, but conservative color. Today, AutoTrader has 130 used 2015-2018 Challenger Hemi's with automatics available. The average price is abut 27,200 and mileage is slightly lower than this example at about 40k miles. Almost all are at dealers where a decent negotiator should be able to knock $1500-2500 off the ask. This is a 25k car, the buyer may not believe it but stats would say otherwise.
  • FreedMike I don't need to know anything about this model per se, but I'd be very interested in knowing if Mazda is going to be using the tech from the PHEV CX-90/70 model - which is darned nice, by the way - on other Mazdas.
  • Turbo Is Black Magic Honestly at this point Elon is more of a liability than an asset. How much does the board have to pay to just get rid of him?
  • FreedMike The article touches on this fact, but the number of public EV chargers grew by over 18,000 between 2021 and 2023. https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-infrastructure-trendsSo clearly the expansion is happening without the use of the funds in question. Not necessarily a bad thing, if you're into not using taxpayer money. Still, I'd be interested in knowing why the public money isn't being used. Are the regs overly complex or restrictive, or something like that? But in any case, EV charging IS expanding at a pretty solid rate. And as far as "...we’ve seen plenty of Republican-backed legislation targeting EV-related spending over the last couple of years" is concerned...well, yeah, there's a reason why Republicans don't like EV charging. The petroleum industry is one of the GOP's prime donors, and every charger built or EV sold represents a direct ding to their bottom line. Republicans, of course, like to put this in terms of "EVs are a woke mind virus," or some such nonsense, but the fact is that the people paying their bills don't want competition.
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