Piston Slap: Sonata Salad Oil, Thoughts on Lubrication

Robert Farago
by Robert Farago

TTAC reader Chris writes:

Regarding my 2007 Sonata 2.4L, 5-speed: can I use 0W-20 in place of 5W-20 and keep the warranty intact?

Sajeev responds:

Why? Most engines can handle a small step up/down in viscosity without catastrophic failure, but doing this does not compute. 5W-20 is already lightweight stuff. If fuel economy is your concern, switch to synthetic: its molecules are smaller than dino oil and offer more protection to boot.

Odds are a cost-engineered Hyundai mill doesn’t have the tolerances and lubrication needs (at 7500 rpm) of exotic engines that demand 0-grade oil. And if you live in warmer climates, you are likely to cause more engine wear for no good reason, causing problems after that 100,000 mile warranty runs out.

Don’t do it. Unless our B&B has something to the contrary for Hyundais in particular, of course.

JG writes:

Remember those E46 M3 BMW tachometers that had a variable redline that moved up as the engine and oil came up to temperature? Those were cool. I think when you first started the car, the maximum suggested revolutions were around 5000.

For people who don’t have this sort of feature, we can look in our owner’s manual and find no information whatsoever with regards to how long to let the engine run before we can really boot the long pedal through the carpet.

I always let the engine idle for a few moments after a cold start before moving off, and then drive gently, even keeping the revs below 2500-3000, until the needle on my temperature gauge indicates the coolant is fully warmed. I believe the engine oil takes longer to warm up than the coolant; before I realized this I would give ’er nails as soon as the temp needle entered the bottom end of the normal range. At this time I also consider the temperature of the gearbox and even the heavy grease in the diff.

Question is, does any of this matter? Should I just be running it hard only a minute or so after start up? Maybe getting the engine up to temperature quickly by loading it more heavily is the best idea.

Sajeev responds:

Oh, yes! BMW really nailed it: too bad all the wannabes (they know who they are) chose Bangle styling and i-drive dysfunctionalism over the intelligent tachometer. But I digress . . .

To answer your first question: does it really matter? With the advent of man-made additives called “Viscosity Index Improvers,” today’s oils are great at minimizing wear at start up. So minimize idle time and hit the road, JG! Unless it’s cold enough to freeze the balls off a polar bear (and you roll sans engine block heater) do not sit and idle! The oil’s additives mean you can quickly drive in a conservative, heat-generating manner.

There is nothing worse than circulating cold oil under no load. The active ingredient to building heat is keeping the engine under load. A mild load, that is. Staying below 3000 rpm is a fair measuring stick for (gasoline powered) passenger cars. You are on the right track: oil takes longer to reach operating temperature than coolant, so don’t go messin’ around just because your temp gauge says it’s cool (so to speak). But don’t sit around lollygagging either.

Piston Slap bonus thought:

Let’s give a round of applause for synthetic oils and high quality oil filters. Synthetic’s viscosity at start up is superior to conventional oils, and has a modest(?) advantage over today’s synthetic blend oils. Most OEM-spec filters have an anti-drainback valve that keeps oil in the filter media and fills the filter body quicker at startup. Never cheap out on oil filters and never accept the off brand junk at many oil change shops. When in doubt, bring your own filter to the shop.

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  • Tosh Tosh on Mar 19, 2009

    "...I spend the extra money for M1s on some of my cars." That is also an endorsement. (An 'endorsement' doesn't need to be "an iron-clad recommendation": Depending on who you are, it can be as simple as 'I use X,' or 'My friend heard something nice about X,' or 'X doesn't melt in my hand.') And since you haven't given a specific technical, filter performance-related reason (except mention the Knize survey, which summarizes M1 filters: "However, as with all Mobil 1 products, expect to pay 2 - 3 times as much for this filter. I have seen this filter sold at Auto Zone and K-mart and used them a few times, but I feel they are not worth the money in the end."), my conclusion based on everything said here by you so far is that you can be tricked into spending 2-3 times more than you need to based on a parlor trick (that being the oil disappearing into the multitude of filter pleats). My conclusion might be silly, but it IS logical, based on what you've said. I'm not trying to be a troll (No, really!), just asking you to follow reason and recognize a hollow endorsement.

  • Sajeev Mehta Sajeev Mehta on Mar 19, 2009

    Well, since you mentioned it, I do think your conclusion is silly. Because by your logic I "recommend" these filters far, far more often than the M1: 1. WIX 2. Purolator Pure One 3. Motorcraft (which are supposedly re-skinned Purolators) I've used all of these for longer than I have the M1. I mention them most any time there's a detailed discussion on filters (not a passing discussion originally presented here) so endlessly harping on my love of M1s makes absolutely no sense to me. And now everyone knows what oil filters are in my garage and therefore indirectly recommend to everyone given my position of influence. :-)

  • Alan Well, it will take 30 years to fix Nissan up after the Renault Alliance reduced Nissan to a paltry mess.I think Nissan will eventually improve.
  • Alan This will be overpriced for what it offers.I think the "Western" auto manufacturers rip off the consumer with the Thai and Chinese made vehicles.A Chinese made Model 3 in Australia is over $70k AUD(for 1995 $45k USD) which is far more expensive than a similar Chinesium EV of equal or better quality and loaded with goodies.Chinese pickups are $20k to $30k cheaper than Thai built pickups from Ford and the Japanese brands. Who's ripping who off?
  • Alan Years ago Jack Baruth held a "competition" for a piece from the B&B on the oddest pickup story (or something like that). I think 5 people were awarded the prizes.I never received mine, something about being in Australia. If TTAC is global how do you offer prizes to those overseas or are we omitted on the sly from competing?In the end I lost significant respect for Baruth.
  • Alan My view is there are good vehicles from most manufacturers that are worth looking at second hand.I can tell you I don't recommend anything from the Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat/etc gene pool. Toyotas are overly expensive second hand for what they offer, but they seem to be reliable enough.I have a friend who swears by secondhand Subarus and so far he seems to not have had too many issue.As Lou stated many utes, pickups and real SUVs (4x4) seem quite good.
  • 28-Cars-Later So is there some kind of undiagnosed disease where every rando thinks their POS is actually valuable?83K miles Ok.new valve cover gasket.Eh, it happens with age. spark plugsOkay, we probably had to be kewl and put in aftermarket iridium plugs, because EVO.new catalytic converterUh, yeah that's bad at 80Kish. Auto tranny failing. From the ad: the SST fails in one of the following ways:Clutch slip has turned into; multiple codes being thrown, shifting a gear or 2 in manual mode (2-3 or 2-4), and limp mode.Codes include: P2733 P2809 P183D P1871Ok that's really bad. So between this and the cat it suggests to me someone jacked up the car real good hooning it, because EVO, and since its not a Toyota it doesn't respond well to hard abuse over time.$20,000, what? Pesos? Zimbabwe Dollars?Try $2,000 USD pal. You're fracked dude, park it in da hood and leave the keys in it.BONUS: Comment in the ad: GLWS but I highly doubt you get any action on this car what so ever at that price with the SST on its way out. That trans can be $10k + to repair.
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