2023 Ford Super Duty Trucks Go Deeper Into the HD Truck Torque War

Aside from, say, a converted horse barn on wheels, I can't imagine a more effective traffic-clogging tool than these pickup / house-sized RV combinations. They ARE a horror story on every rural mountain road here in Colorado - slow as hell, and you can't get around them on mountain roads. They're a royal pain in the a**. Maybe that explains the haterade.

"but I've read horror stories... accidents that were not their fault"

Sounds like Internet Sasquatchs to me.

Hotshotters don't need 1200 ft-lbs of torque. They need good fuel economy, better durability than you get by boosting the engine within an inch of its life, and enough power to maintain freeway speeds uphill.

"Hotshotters don't need 1200 ft-lbs of torque. They need good fuel economy, better durability than you get by boosting the engine within an inch of its life, and enough power to maintain freeway speeds uphill."

So buy a Cummins and not a Ford?

For as many as they (the big 3) sell, I don't think hot shotters have anything to worry about at 1200 foot pounds. Do you have data that this is a bad thing and will lead to unreliable vehicles across the big 3?

I’ll bet! What do you do when your mobile condominium that you’re pulling suddenly starts oscillating like a mad test driver in a slalom?! Is the average old coot at the wheel going to be able to control that, or is he and his six-figure pick-em-up just gonna be along for the ride?

"Hotshotters don't need 1200 ft-lbs of torque" Don't know because I'm not a hotshotter. Are you?

Why doesn't this have 1200lb-ft of torque? https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/f650-f750/models/f750-sd-diesel-tractor/

Ford is boosting a 6.7L engine to the commercial equivalent of a 9.0L engine.

If you buy one of these then do not complain about the price of fuel. It is a given that this type of vehicle will cost money to fuel. If someone really needs a truck this size for either business or for towing something really big then they might want to buy a secondary more efficient vehicle for any driving not requiring hauling or towing. I have seen many driving this size of vehicle without a trailer and without a load who have a hard time maneuvering them and parking them requires a skill that many of them don't have. I almost got backed into by one of these and I had to lay into the horn for them to stop. For someone experienced in driving a larger truck no problem but there are many who shouldn't be driving a large truck especially if they have little or no experience driving one they are a menace to everyone else on the road.

Even the 1000-foot-pound variants require the driver to carefully watch both EGT and oil temps when pulling heavy loads in hot weather. I can't imagine how adding 20% more oomph without much extra cooling will improve that.

"Don't know because I'm not a hotshotter. Are you?"

No, but I do know something about the costs of running trucks and buses, and I also know hotshot trucking is about the lowest-margin business there is. You need to maximize the useful life of equipment, and adding more boost does the opposite.

Back when Ram sold two ratings there was a reason all the hotshotters had the lower one.

“If you buy one of these then do not complain about the price of fuel.”

What does the type of vehicle you drive have to do with not wanting to pay more than necessary for fuel? That’s like saying “those that heat their house don’t have any grounds to complain about how much it costs”.

“Back when Ram sold two ratings there was a reason all the hotshotters had the lower one.”

Citation?

EBFlex--It means that when you buy a truck this size don't complain about the cost of fuel. If someone is really using a truck like this as it is intended to be used they know this. If you own a diesel expect the fuel to be more expensive and expect at the present for it to be harder to find during the current shortages. Don't need references for something that is common sense and if I have to explain common sense then it is obvious that you might lack it. Many of your comments are like the bug buzzing around annoying everyone. Where is the fly swatter?

Jeff s, So you haven't seen all the pro truckers (ie using as intended) complaining about how much the cost of fuel is hurting them?

MrIcky--Truckers earn a living hauling things and are worried about the cost of fuel but someone buying a diesel HD to tow their camper is not the same. Not everyone who buys a big truck needs one to make a living and should know up front that it is going to cost more to fuel. There is no right or entitlement granting cheap abundant diesel or any fuel and the oil companies are not obligated to produce cheap fuel for everyone. Unless the Government directly intervenes and forces price controls which would be unpopular with those companies supporting political campaigns. We have had price controls in the past but I doubt the politicians especially the Republicans are going to vote for them.

Now why would anyone need enough power to pull a train? Clearly EVs are overpowered and this is nothing more than sheer compensation for a tiny swim suit area. Nobody needs that much power to haul air.