Toyota Can't Get The Floormats Right

Edward Niedermeyer
by Edward Niedermeyer

Before we jump into this one, it’s important to lay out a few caveats. The first is that, in general, TTAC doesn’t do recalls. It’s impossible to cover them with any fairness, and most of the time they’re inconsequential or hard to verify. The second is that TTAC really, really doesn’t do sudden unintended acceleration (SUA) scares. If someone tells you their throttle sticks wide open at precisely the same time as their brakes fail, they’re either covering for their own incompetence or looking for a buck. Period. Now, the proliferation of computer controls may have introduced a greater possibility of simultaneous system failures than existed on old, mechanically-actuated brakes and throttles. In fact, the recent rash of SUA complaints involving Toyota and Lexus models had me wondering if ghosts in the machine were rendering the time-tested SUA debunking test obsolete. No such luck. It turns out it’s the floormats, stupid. Toyota initially dismissed all SUA claims, but now Bloomberg reports they’re recalling floor mats on 3.8m Toyota and Lexus models for causing the gas pedal to stick.

How this issue wasn’t caught in Toyota’s product testing is a mystery. The NHTSA has received 102 complaints about the mats and their role in possible SUA incidents. And these are floormats, not lines of code controlling fuel injection. In other words, if this was going to be an issue it should have been fairly obvious to Toyota’s designers, testers and developers. On the other hand, Toyota’s dismissal of the early Tacoma SUA reports shows that the big T takes what I’d call a healthily skeptical approach to all SUA claims. Unfortunately, while Toyota’s assumption that people involved in SUA claims were either stupid or ignorant was essentially correct, it neither fully explained the phenomenon nor absolved the company from guilt.

Now, a well-informed, seasoned driver can tell when a mat is interfering with pedal operation. And he can certainly tell the difference between pedal interference and a computer going haywire. More importantly, once the problem has been identified he can either remove or modify the mat before it interferes at a potentially dangerous moment. The problem is that this level of competence appears to be shockingly rare in the United States, and Toyota really should have known it. Toyota should have understood that a piece of fabric sliding out of place would lead a healthy number of Americans to believe their car was possessed by demons. As my man Mencken put it, no one ever went broke under-estimating the intelligence of the American Public.

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  • Skaro Skaro on Oct 01, 2009

    Pch101- Yep I think brakes should always stop a car. But I'm wondering if anyone has ever tested this: Lexus driving already at 80mph California speed- guy tries to pass, floors pedal, pedal gets stuck. Very quickly, the overpowered car gets to 100, gas still floored. Breaking begins, driver gets the car to go back down to about 70 or 80 or so. Fading starts. After driver realizes he cannot figure out what is wrong and fix it, he tries more breaking. By now, breaks are faded and cannot hold against existing momentum+floored throttle. So perhaps, breaks cannot always stop car. I guess the question is, under full throttle, what percent of breaking power is used just to overcome the torque. If it is only like 5% then yeah, the breaks should always stop the car. But if it is more like 30% and they are already faded, I dunno..

  • Mockingbird Mockingbird on Oct 03, 2009

    Four lives have been lost, over what should have been a fun outing. All would agree that this tragedy occurred needlessly. Very little public good is served in making judgments about the character and steed of the driver behind the wheel. None of us were there. We do not, and will never, understand the abject fear of the occupants in that vehicle; and how that would have crowded judgment. My initial reactions and questions were the same as everybody else's: 1. Why didn't he put the car into neutral? 2. Why didn't he slam on the brake pedal and put his almighty weight on it till the car stopped? 3. What about the emergency brake? 4. Why didn't he shut off the engine? 5. How is it possible for a floor mat to jam the gas pedal into acceleration? Question #4 was quickly explained when I saw pictures of the set up. Questions #1. and #2. were rationalized on the basis of brain block in the face of panic and fear. And I started to wonder about #3 and #4. My Audi A4 has requires a push on the key to shut off the engine - when it is stationary - and has push button "handbrakes". Have I ever thought that there is any chance that I may need to shut off the engine and use the push button to actuate the handbrake when the car is skipping along at 70 mph? Well - no! And I still haven't tried either. Should I? Will they work? Will there be significant damage to the car? Would such abuse be covered by warranty? With the set up as in the picture, is it possible that when the mat slips all the way up the gas pedal, the following might result: 1. The mat is now also sitting under the brake pedal, therefore, impeding maximum braking. 2. The close proximity of the gas and brake pedals means that pushing on the brake pedal actually causes the mat to also push down on the gas pedal - thereby exacerbating the problem.

  • Kwik_Shift_Pro4X Thankfully I don't have to deal with GDI issues in my Frontier. These cleaners should do well for me if I win.
  • Theflyersfan Serious answer time...Honda used to stand for excellence in auto engineering. Their first main claim to fame was the CVCC (we don't need a catalytic converter!) engine and it sent from there. Their suspensions, their VTEC engines, slick manual transmissions, even a stowing minivan seat, all theirs. But I think they've been coasting a bit lately. Yes, the Civic Type-R has a powerful small engine, but the Honda of old would have found a way to get more revs out of it and make it feel like an i-VTEC engine of old instead of any old turbo engine that can be found in a multitude of performance small cars. Their 1.5L turbo-4...well...have they ever figured out the oil dilution problems? Very un-Honda-like. Paint issues that still linger. Cheaper feeling interior trim. All things that fly in the face of what Honda once was. The only thing that they seem to have kept have been the sales staff that treat you with utter contempt for daring to walk into their inner sanctum and wanting a deal on something that isn't a bare-bones CR-V. So Honda, beat the rest of your Japanese and Korean rivals, and plug-in hybridize everything. If you want a relatively (in an engineering way) easy way to get ahead of the curve, raise the CAFE score, and have a major point to advertise, and be able to sell to those who can't plug in easily, sell them on something that will get, for example, 35% better mileage, plug in when you get a chance, and drives like a Honda. Bring back some of the engineering skills that Honda once stood for. And then start introducing a portfolio of EVs once people are more comfortable with the idea of plugging in. People seeing that they can easily use an EV for their daily errands with the gas engine never starting will eventually sell them on a future EV because that range anxiety will be lessened. The all EV leap is still a bridge too far, especially as recent sales numbers have shown. Baby steps. That's how you win people over.
  • Theflyersfan If this saves (or delays) an expensive carbon brushing off of the valves down the road, I'll take a case. I understand that can be a very expensive bit of scheduled maintenance.
  • Zipper69 A Mini should have 2 doors and 4 cylinders and tires the size of dinner plates.All else is puffery.
  • Theflyersfan Just in time for the weekend!!! Usual suspects A: All EVs are evil golf carts, spewing nothing but virtue signaling about saving the earth, all the while hacking the limbs off of small kids in Africa, money losing pits of despair that no buyer would ever need and anyone that buys one is a raging moron with no brains and the automakers who make them want to go bankrupt.(Source: all of the comments on every EV article here posted over the years)Usual suspects B: All EVs are powered by unicorns and lollypops with no pollution, drive like dreams, all drivers don't mind stopping for hours on end, eating trays of fast food at every rest stop waiting for charges, save the world by using no gas and batteries are friendly to everyone, bugs included. Everyone should torch their ICE cars now and buy a Tesla or Bolt post haste.(Source: all of the comments on every EV article here posted over the years)Or those in the middle: Maybe one of these days, when the charging infrastructure is better, or there are more options that don't cost as much, one will be considered as part of a rational decision based on driving needs, purchasing costs environmental impact, total cost of ownership, and ease of charging.(Source: many on this site who don't jump on TTAC the split second an EV article appears and lives to trash everyone who is a fan of EVs.)
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