Ford's EV Business is Becoming a Real Drag

Chris Teague
by Chris Teague
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ford s ev business is becoming a real drag

Ford and the UAW have reached a tentative agreement that will end the strike at some locations, but the automaker is looking at lower profits and a challenging road ahead with electrification.

The automaker’s earnings fell short of expectations, and it saw continued losses from its electric vehicle business. Ford said it would delay some of the planned EV investments after seeing less demand and more price pressure than expected.

Ford already announced significant losses from its electrification efforts, but its EV division posted greater shortfalls than projected. It lost $1.3 billion before taxes and interest, and Ford noted a $4.5 billion loss overall.

The writing has been on the wall for a while, so none of this should be a huge surprise. Ford already noted losses in its EV business, and we’ve seen multiple changes in its pricing and production strategies for the F-150 Lightning, indicating that demand for the electric pickup is fluctuating.

Ford said consumers are unwilling to pay more for an EV than a comparable internal combustion vehicle, putting significant downward pressure on pricing. Though more affordable models are allegedly on the horizon, the EV market as a whole is too expensive, preventing many potential buyers from getting behind the wheel. Upcoming changes to the EV tax credit rules may help, but it will likely be years before EVs reach parity with their gas counterparts.

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  • TheEndlessEnigma TheEndlessEnigma on Oct 29, 2023

    Look folks this is really simple. Unless you live in a single-family home or something with a garage/carport or parking pad THAT IS YOURS plug in EV's are simply not going to work for the majority of the car driving population. Think about that. If you live in a condo, apartment, townhouse....something that requires street or communal parking (parking lots/parking garage) then plug-in EV adoption is not the "just buy one" play you want it to be. "Oh, but you can use publically accessible chargers". Yeah, ok, YOU do that first, over 3-6 months then report back how that works for you. My mother lives in a mid-atlantic row-house development from the 1950's, about 1500 homes. ALL OF IT is street parking, all of it. I've driven around over the past couple of days (I'm visiting), I can say without exaggeration, there are no plug-in EV's in the community, because they do not work in this community. Now, I stand aside and let the flaming begin from those in this community who believe that EV's are the only way to go and you are fool for not buying into them.

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    • Ben Ben on Nov 05, 2023

      Well said. We live in a "townhouse" condo with no real plug-in facility. (Snaking an extension cord into the parking lot looks chancy.) The only EV I'd want is a pre-2017 Model S with the lifetime free supercharger use, there's a Tesla supercharging station right on my commute. I drive 90 miles a day; free "fueling" with a SpaceX RS7 thrown in appeals to me.

  • Alan Alan on Oct 29, 2023

    The transition to EV's has a number of issues to contend with. I think most of the issues are worth considering when investing in a new vehicle.

    1. Range anxiety,
    2. initial outlay, including charging equipment at home,
    3. management of vehicle, ie, maintenance, charging flexibility, etc,
    4. large financially outlays down the track, ie, new battery, cost of "EV tyres", etc,
    5. familiarity of new technology, people unsure of its reliability, costs, etc, and
    6. cost of similar ICE vehicle vs EV.

    Manufacturers globally have spent the last couple of decades or so pushing back against the transition to EVs. Manufacturers have considerable lobby power, now the time has come to transition and now they complain after pushing back.

    The US has a particular problem, big pickups and SUVs is what keeps the motoring industry alive.

    • Abraham Abraham on Oct 29, 2023

      Range anxiety = range restricted.

      Honda Civic range: 500 miles, but due to gas stations everywhere range is actually unlimited. No one talks about range with a gasoline powered vehicle. It’s a non-issue.

      EV defenders keep saying that range anxiety is over hyped but it’s not, it’s a massive problem and probably the number four reason why someone chooses not to buy an EV. The top three most important factors in choosing not to purchase an EV are price, price and price.

  • El scotto El scotto on Oct 29, 2023

    Oh Lordy, it's like high school all over again. One of the AV club nerds got an EV, some of the hipper but geek-positive kids got an EV. Some of the tag along kids kids thought about making EV's, ie. GM & Ford. The head-knockers refused facts and math and threatened to beat up any even speaking positively of an EV. Lambda, Lambda, Lambda rules!

  • Wjtinfwb Wjtinfwb on Oct 30, 2023

    Pretty hard to compete with Tesla when the landscape for legacy manufacturers like GM, Ford, etc. is so different. Tesla was treated like a Tech company, Billions of VC and Federal dollar flooded in during the early days just to keep them alive. Once production started, Tesla was given a pass for their shoddy assembly quality, poor fit & finish and early recalls, all of those would have been deemed unacceptable if it was a Chevy, but hey, this is Tech, it's not expected to work right, correct? No investment in dealer or service network nationwide and in some cases a lengthy wait for parts or service, that would be unacceptable if it was a Ford where the dealer would be crucified for not getting the car back on the road in 24 hours. Finally, the legacy manufacturers dependence on the UAW and their inflated wages and benefits put building EVs at a disadvantage compared to Tesla. I'm not knocking Tesla, what they accomplished has been remarkable. Just that the playing field and expectations are not the same for a start up as they are for a legacy OEM.