By on April 13, 2022

Jeep

Let’s say you run a car company that just launched a large SUV last year. Let’s say you feel, for whatever reason, that it needs more length.

What do you do? Well, you extend it, of course.

The 2023 Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer L add 12 inches to go to 226.7 inches in overall length and 7 inches in wheelbase to go to 130. This is said to extend cargo space to 44.2 cubic feet behind the third row with the seats up on the Grand Wagoneer — a 15.8 cubic feet increase over the standard wheelbase vehicle, according to Jeep.

Seating capacity remains 7 or 8, and Jeep claims towing of up to 10,000 pounds.

A Wagoneer Carbide trim bows, adding gloss-black wheels, Black Onyx grille rings, gloss-black grille texture, gloss-black appliques for the mirrors and headlamps, and unique trim for the instrument panel, plus what Jeep calls “Global Black” seats. This trim also gets special front and rear fascias.

The longer Wagoneers get either the new twin-turbo, 3.0-liter Hurricane inline-six that makes 420 horsepower and 468 lb-ft of torque (regular Wagoneer) or Hurricane 510 (Grand). The 510 has the same displacement and cylinder count, and twin turbos as well, but it makes 510 horsepower and 500 lb-ft of torque. Jeep claims a 1 to 2 mpg bonus over the current V8s.

As is typical for Jeep, three 4×4 systems are offered — Quadra-Trac I and II and Quadra-Drive III.

Third-row passengers get a special storage compartment that doesn’t exist on standard-wheelbase models.

It’s hard for this author to imagine who needs an even longer Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer, but clearly, some folks need the extra passenger and cargo room.

Those folks will be paying dearly — we don’t have pricing on the L models, but the standard-wheelbase models aren’t cheap.

If you’re in NYC, you’ll be able to see the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer L at the Javits Center during the New York Auto Show.

Updated with pics from the show floor, as seen below. Sorry for some blurriness, chalk it up to poor lighting flummoxing my camera:

[Images: Jeep, © 2022 Tim Healey/TTAC]

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42 Comments on “2022 New York Auto Show: Jeep Goes Long With the Wagoneer UPDATED...”


  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Does it come with a tugboat to help the owners navigate the mall parking lot?

    Sounds like the “Hurricane” motor is a winner. I’d love to see how it does in something that doesn’t weigh as much as an apartment building.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Maybe it’s me, but the back end looks like they ran out of ideas on how to scale it nicely.

    A 3.0L I-6 making 510 HP seems pretty high strung, but better fuel economy than an 8 would be good.

    • 0 avatar
      Astigmatism

      The grafted-on butt with the misaligned window gives me strong 2008 Nissan Armada vibes. The last Grand Wagoneer was a style icon; the new one’s got a nice interior but I don’t know how they let it get off the drafting table looking like this on the outside.

    • 0 avatar
      theflyersfan

      @SCE – I think you nailed it. I’ve been looking at that picture of both of them by each other, and also the second picture (the stretched like taffy white Jeep) and something just looks off. It reminds me of the MAX editions of the Expedition. Let’s just grab it a little, Viagra it a bit, and bam, barely usable 3rd row becomes somewhat comfortable for up to 2 hours 3rd row (or until the car sickness takes over).

      I have to say that I think the minivans did a better job of hiding the girth when they had “Grand” editions or other stretched versions that added much needed cargo space when all three rows were up.

  • avatar
    AK

    Looks huge and ugly. Great!

  • avatar
    CaddyDaddy

    Asphalt Grey and White with a grey interior. Bold I tell you, Bold! Yawn.

  • avatar
    MRF 95 T-Bird

    Canyonero!
    12 yards long, 2 lanes wide,
    65 tons of American Pride!

    The 3.0 Hurricane turbo I-6 appears to be a great engine. Apparently it’s their Hellcat replacement.

  • avatar
    MitchConner

    REVEALED: Rebodied mule for the 2024 Jeep Grand Wagoneer XXL caught at a Detroit area parking lot:

    https://barnfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1972-international-harverster-travelall-stageway-airporter.jpg

    No evidence to back up the rumors of the articulated version for 2025 — although Jeep-badged DDOT busses apparently have been spotted making the rounds in the Motor City. A ruse? Stealth product development hidden in plain sight? Very crafty, Stellantis. Very crafty.

    Personally don’t need an SUV big enough to have a fireplace — but I guess there’s a market for them. Old Ford Excursions that aren’t used up go for solid dough — with low mileage ones with the V10 getting big money.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      “Old Ford Excursions that aren’t used up go for solid dough — with low mileage ones with the V10 getting big money.”

      Ones with the proper 7.3L V8 (diesel) are even more sought after. I think the spark plug ejection on the Triton motors soured a lot of people on the 5.4L and 6.8L. But I’d take an ejecting spark plug 5.4L 2-valve over the garbage 5.4L 3-valve.

  • avatar
    kcflyer

    Guess nobody hear ever heard of a Suburban, Yukon XL, Expedition Max. I’ve driven thousands of miles in all of them and never had any trouble navigating City and country roads and parking lots. The only question is what took Jeep so long to go long? This will be cash cow. I wonder if the turbo six will supplant their V8 lineup or just be another option?

    • 0 avatar
      jack4x

      Don’t get it either. This is shorter than every one of the millions of crew cab full size trucks on the road, which most normal people have no issue with daily driving (outside of extremely dense city centers).

      The V8 is unfortunately out though. I6 only.

      • 0 avatar
        kcflyer

        Driving my crew cab F250 with an 8 foot bed requires planning and definitely more care than my old Honda FIT. That truck has a very limited turning capability up front that got much better around 2004. But still, why folks get the vapors about companies making a long wheel base SUV is beyond me. The GW is far more likely to help out Jeep and it’s parent company than any EV on their drawing board. They can’t out EV Tesla, so why not do what you can do better?

    • 0 avatar
      thegamper

      There is a difference between the driver having no issue navigating their big rigs around in congested areas, and the general public having issues with the drivers who are navigating their big rig in congested areas.

      When you take up more than one parking spot, block passing cars because you stick out into the road or lane while parked, block line of sight for everyone around you, need to intrude into the next lane to make a 90 degree turn from a parking lot, etc……I realize its not a problem for the owner. That is kind of the problem with inconsiderate people if you catch my drift.

      And seriously, who hear has never seen the driver of a Pickup or Suburban type vehicle clip something trying to navigate a tight turn? Comedy gold!

      • 0 avatar
        kcflyer

        It does take up more room to park. But the point of the criticism was that the GW would be difficult to drive. It wont be as long as the driver has average skills. Another quibble. A two door jeep on 33’s sits higher than my F250. I’m sure there are plenty of other examples. So blocking line of sight is not unique to long wheel base vehicles. I try to be considerate of others on those rare occasions when I park my 23 foot long truck. I’ll park way out from the store knowing my truck will intrude into a second spot. This is my practice most times even in small vehicles since it cuts down on door dings from inconsiderate motorist. Lastly, I drive a miata. So can I complain about how every other vehicle blocks my line of sight?:)

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        @thegamper:
        “There is a difference between the driver having no issue navigating their big rigs around in congested areas, and the general public having issues with the drivers who are navigating their big rig in congested areas.”

        The five-point turns in the mall parking lot are always amusing.

  • avatar
    indi500fan

    I remember a couple decades ago the story was that an inline six really didn’t work well for crash performance.

    But these days it’s making a comeback.

  • avatar

    That’s quite an ugly looking van.

    Perhaps it will be assembled with more care than the regular length GW. They’ve all got terrible trim alignment.

    • 0 avatar
      Jeff S

      I don’t think this is any uglier than many other body on frame large suvs but its no beauty either. That Infinity suv that looks like a whale is the ugliest but then we live in an era of large grills, odd body creases, and unimaginative styling. At least this segment is not limited to mostly GM, Ford, Toyota, and Nissan and with Kia and Hyundai that gives consumers more choice. Not my cup of tea.

      I cannot fault Stellantis for entering this segment especially for what a good used Excursion goes for and the hot demand for Suburbans, Expeditions, Tellirides, and Palisades. Why not Stellantis.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        I think this whole segment is getting uglier. The current-gen GM full size SUVs are an example – the previous gen had nice, clean styling, but the new ones are fussy-looking.

        The front end on the Chevy isn’t too bad, but the Yukon and Escalade look like they’re about 100 feet tall. The top-to-bottom LED running lights on the Caddy do nothing but emphasize the height.

        Meanwhile, the new Sequoia looks like a Highlander whose lap band fell off.

        The Ford/Lincoln SUVs aren’t too bad, but give them time. Ford has already begun the F-150 “lookie, I’m a locomotive” nonsense with the Expedition.

        If I had to go with best-looking in this class, I’d give it to the Infiniti QX80.

        • 0 avatar
          theflyersfan

          I think we hit peak Tahoe/Suburban with the 2007-14 generation. Very clean lines, attractive interior without a lot of fuss, and they didn’t have a trace of the wretched overstyling taking over every SUV/CUV/pickup these days.

          As I’ve conversed with FreedMike more than a few times on this site, I think that’s what made a lot of the VWs attractive in 2020: Very clean styling. The 2022 GLI got a bit fussy in places, but for the most part, VW keeps the designs in the stereotypical “Germanic” way that their buyers want. And that’s what’s attractive with Mazda’s lineup right now – and it’s pretty rare for a Japanese automaker right now (except maybe for Subaru) – very clean and elegant designs without a lot of excess junk tacked on.

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            “I think we hit peak Tahoe/Suburban with the 2007-14 generation. Very clean lines, attractive interior without a lot of fuss, and they didn’t have a trace of the wretched overstyling taking over every SUV/CUV/pickup these days.”

            As the owner of a 2007 Chevy ‘Hoe I’d have to agree with that. IMHO one of the best looking FS BOF SUV’s on the road.

  • avatar
    wjtinfwb

    Flash back to 2000 and Ford introduces the Excursion to compete with the 2500 Suburban. The outrage, hue & cry over the Ex’s size and consumption was astounding. I had a Suburban at the time, took one look at the huge Ford’s capacity, ability and robust Super Duty underpinnings and bought one. Still have it and wouldn’t part with it for $100,000. The Wagoneer L is essentially the same length and width as the Ex, so where’s the gnashing of teeth and outrage? Stellantis is facing some steep headwinds with gas over $5/gallon, inflation soaring and a recession looming. But my guess is they’ll sell 20-30k of these a year to people like me that want to load up kids, dogs and Aunt Edna, hitch a SeaRay to the back and head to the lake.

  • avatar
    Stanley Steamer

    Looks like the gave it it’s own self destruct button. Always a good feature to have, especially if you can’t find parking.

  • avatar
    Whatnext

    What a brilliant idea! At a time of high gas prices bring out an even more bloated version of an already blimp-like vehicle.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      The people who buy these can probably afford the gas and won’t care.

    • 0 avatar
      kcflyer

      yep, they should continue to ignore the huge profits Ford and GM are making in this market. doh!

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        I’m amazed it took them this long to bring out a vehicle of this kind.

        • 0 avatar
          Whatnext

          Big bloated and ugly? Seriously this barge is so far removed from the spirit of the original Wagoneer it is ridiculous. It’s hard to believe the Fiat-Chrysler team actually went to Wagonmaster to get a “feel” for the original classic. Maybe they wandered into the pigpen by mistake.

      • 0 avatar
        Carlson Fan

        “yep, they should continue to ignore the huge profits Ford and GM are making in this market. doh!”

        No $hit!…..LOL

        GM owns this market & prints money w/their LWB FS SUV’s. Why wouldn’t they try and grab a piece of it. May the best SUV win!

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          It’s still stupid not to compete with the Suburban/Tahoe/Expedition. Can we agree that automakers/shareholders often make sh!t for brains decisions? What part of Monkey See Monkey Do don’t they understand? Actually Toyota and Nissan stepped up decade ago, despite very limited gov/fleet sales.

  • avatar
    redapple

    Stanley
    I saw the E Stop button too and wondered, what da…?

  • avatar
    JD-Shifty

    DI and twin turbos. just more problems

  • avatar
    SoCalMikester

    so the LONG one has an exposed rear door cutline?

  • avatar
    BEPLA

    The shiny stealth package doesn’t make it any more attractive – It just blocks the sun more effectively.

  • avatar
    BobinPgh

    Maybe this could be the next Imperial. Change some styling to be less bulky, have fancy interior and it could compete against Cadillac Escalade. Imperial could once again be an independent brand under Stellantis.

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