By on September 22, 2021

While I often criticize manufacturers, I try to remain sympathetic to their collective plight. Despite being multinational corporations that typically lack accountability, they’re still businesses that need to turn a profit to maintain their existence and are constantly coping with fluid regulatory rules or social pressures. That’s one reason why green initiatives are often more about optics and money than achieving any tangible environmental goals.

But not adhering to cultural dogmas can have real ramifications, as BMW and Daimler recently found out. The companies are being sued in their native Germany for allegedly failing to meet carbon reduction targets and not setting an official date to abolish the internal combustion engine. 

That probably sounds reasonable enough if you’re an eco-warrior or one of those Extinction Rebellion types who block roads (forcing vehicles to idle unproductively) as a way to protest air pollution. But if you’re sane, you might be wondering how a company can be sued for manufacturing products consumers continue to purchase and have been around for over a century.

Apparently, it’s all the rage in Europe.

Earlier this month, Greenpeace and the German environmental non-governmental organization (NGO) Deutsche Umwelthilfe (literally DUH) said they would be taking action against Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler, and oil producer Wintershall Dea if they didn’t immediately strengthen their environmental commitments.

While this sounds exactly like extortion, a legal precedent was actually set in the Netherlands last year. A case was brought against Royal Dutch Shell, with regional courts ruling that the company had to reduce its greenhouse emissions by 45 percent by 2030 (vs 2019 levels). Shell claimed that its previous timetable of 2050 still adhered to the Paris Agreement. But the court was seemingly disinterested in the accord and ultimately sided with Friends of the Earth Netherlands, Greenpeace, Fossil Free Netherlands, and their co-plaintiffs.

NGOs have since decided to go against German automakers and oil concerns, with Greenpeace and DUH leading the charge this time. According to Reuters and Germany’s Handelsblatt, a formal suit was filed on Monday evening:

In letters to the firms in early September, the companies were given until September 20 to agree to the NGO’s demands, which also included limiting production of internal combustion engine (ICE) cars ahead of 2030.

Neither of the companies has so far set an end date for ICE car production.

BMW and Daimler confirmed to Reuters on Monday that they had not accepted the NGO’s demands.

You know, I think a lot of my controversial ire for electric vehicles stems from the fact that they’re being mandated rather than improved to a point where they make sense to buy over internal-combustion cars. We already have a regulatory environment that financially penalizes entities for not being sufficiently green. But there’s also this constant government involvement that cuts companies a break for selling EVs and allows manufacturers to get off with little more than a slap on the wrist when they really screw things up.

The whole thing borders on being farcical and it often seems like nobody is taking a serious, objective look into any of this. EVs are great for some people and totally impractical for others. Their swift adoption is also likely to have indirect consequences for a place like Germany, where the population remains heavily reliant on coal for energy production.

Something tells me an unrestrained push toward electrification may pan out like the EU’s former passion for diesel. Europe had been pushing diesel vehicles as the greener alternative to gasoline for decades, offering all kinds of incentives to ensure residents would buy them. Then it found out that they were flooding the atmosphere with nitrogen oxides and loading up cities with soot. The resulting backlash the regulators into a tizzy as they upgraded efficiency rules automakers couldn’t hope to adhere to. Now they’re ready to embrace electric vehicles with wild abandon while largely ignoring the perils of mining the materials necessary for battery production, the widespread job losses associated with EV manufacturing, and proper grid loading.

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78 Comments on “BMW, Daimler Sued for Not Being Green Enough...”


  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    You ok, Matt?

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Apparently frivolous lawsuits brought in foreign countries can be very triggering.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “Apparently frivolous lawsuits brought in foreign countries can be very triggering.”

        The #Triggered could have been worse. It’s only “Green’s” pushing environmentalism as opposed to “oppressors” mandating masks and vaccines to stem a global plague!

        • 0 avatar
          Nick_515

          You can tell a Posky headline from a mile away.

        • 0 avatar
          Matt Posky

          Great counterpoints fellas. Very thoughtful.

          • 0 avatar
            Rick T.

            Illegitimi non carborundum….as the saying goes. Good article. I notice a distinct lack of science when it comes to discussing goals like CAFE standards and such.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            What?

            We can’t counter an opinion with an opinion?

            “I notice a distinct lack of science”

            If you source scientific databases you’ll find plenty of “science”. If you punch queries into Google, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook et al, not do much.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            My counterpoint is you went from “this group filed a lawsuit” to “no one has thought through the whole EV thing.” That’s like saying “Fred Smith filed suit against a Catholic church” to “no one’s thought through whether Catholicism makes any sense or not.”

            So some enviro group in Germany filed suit against BMW and Mercedes for not being green enough…so what? It hasn’t worked its’ way through their courts yet. How about “let’s see where this suit goes” before we jump to conclusions?

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “Great counterpoints fellas. Very thoughtful.”

            They never have legitimate counterpoints. They are of the “I don’t like what he says because my feelings matter” group.

            You know you’ve won when all they come at you with is personal attack and sarcasm.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    There will be a growing market in used ICE vehicles until the infrastructure to support ICE no longer supports them. EV adoption will eventually grow globally but it will take longer in underdeveloped countries. In the EU it will be more feasible because the distances are not as great but even in the EU it will take longer because the infrastructure needs to increase to support EVs and the cost of batteries needs to come down to be competitive with ICE. BMW and Daimler will come to some kind of settlement. Doubt the German government wants to hurt their auto industry to the point of putting them out of business.

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      I think Daimler, BMW, and especially VW are moving as fast as possible to electrification. BMW is going to be road-testing solid-state battery vehicles next year. Daimler and VW are bringing some great EVs to the market. The science to make EVs more usable by more people is moving at breakneck speed. You can only move so fast. Once a new battery technology is developed, it takes years to figure out how to mass-produce it and then a year or more to build the factories. There’s a lot of great battery tech coming out of the labs. It just takes time before it ends up in cars. You can’t magically spped up that part. With what’s coming out of the labs, it’s clear that most EV issues will be solved once the battery tech mass-production issues are overcome and the factories built.

  • avatar
    redapple

    After all these years on the market, BEV sales are only 1% of total car sales (outside of CAL). Remove TESLA from the market and you are – what – at 0.25% of all cars sold.
    (AND TESLA is the ‘IT’ product. Must have for beta male techies. Trendy people. Iphone gotta have it people. The virtue signalers and so forth.)

    Color me unimpressed. When the chip crap is sorted out, I ll be getting my RAM or Denali with the 6.2 and keeping it for 20 years.

    Suck on that commies.

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      “fter all these years on the market, BEV sales are only 1% of total car sales (outside of CAL).”

      This is typical for new innovations:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations

      Marketshare for something new (like a smartphone or EV) is typically yellow line on this graph:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations#/media/File:Diffusion_of_ideas.svg

      “Suck on that commies.”

      Yeah, Apple and Tesla are a bunch of commies, with their profit motive, global supply chains, and squeezed workers. Holy Foxconn, Batman!

  • avatar
    mcs

    “For now, cobalt demand is surging and will continue to grow so long as lithium-ion batteries are in demand. ”

    Complete untrue. Demonstrably false. Due to the cost, It’s a well-known fact battery manufacturers are eliminating cobalt. Mostly due to the cost.

    https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/22/21451670/tesla-cobalt-free-cathodes-mining-battery-nickel-ev-cost

    https://www.motortrend.com/features/tech-trends-battery-fuel-cell-motors/

    https://www.catl.com/en/news/665.html

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/08/210825080339.htm#:~:text=in%20the%20world.-,Now%20researchers%20present%20a%20concept%20that%20allows%20sodium%2Dion%20batteries,ions%20to%20efficiently%20store%20energy.

    https://blog.epectec.com/lithium-iron-phosphate-vs-lithium-ion-differences-and-advantages

    https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/28/what-teslas-bet-on-iron-based-batteries-means-for-manufacturers/

  • avatar
    jose carlos

    These dudes (please use any other word as appropriate) will only stop when every single plebian will be grounded. Then, the earth will be open for them, the guardians. Back to 18th century folks.
    Personally, I do care about nature. However, the industrial civilization has a remarkable track record in preserving the environment. This is a fact. And why shall I stop may gasoline engine when each one of THEM, by metabolic work, emit the same CO2? By the same criterion, they should act by example. I have zero respect tolerance for such herd.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      A Human exhales a kilogram of C02 per day. That’s a bit different than the 6-10 kilo’s per person per day (average) when we factor in the maintenance of our lifestyles.

      The planet like a human, has a range of tolerance for excess C02 in the system. Most scientists believe we are at the limit of the planet’s tolerances.

      • 0 avatar
        Rick T.

        Except when it was 10 times the present ppm in the distant past. Somehow life persisted.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “Except when it was 10 times the present ppm in the distant past. Somehow life persisted”

          Depending on how you define “life persists”. Bacteria and cockroaches are by definition “life”.

          It also depends on rate of change. If it occurs over thousands of years, “life” adapts. Over a hundred, impossible.

      • 0 avatar
        Master Baiter

        “Most scientists believe we are at the limit of the planet’s tolerances.”

        Those “scientists” would be out of a job if they said otherwise. Always follow the money.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @Master Baiter- evidence please.

          “if they said otherwise.”

          Would COVID-19 remain a problem if Doctors or Politicians said otherwise?

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “Would COVID-19 remain a problem if Doctors or Politicians said otherwise?”

            If those people were honest it wouldn’t be near the “problem” it’s made out to be. It wasn’t an issue when it was on our shores in 2019 and not being hysterically reported on by the liberal media and their fear porn 24/7.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          “Always follow the money.”

          And whose wallets get lighter if all the alt-energy tech we need to eliminate fossil fuels comes to market?

          Same wallets that are being tapped to spread the “climate change is a myth” line, and pay off elected officials to spread the same line.

          Follow the money, indeed.

      • 0 avatar
        Southerner

        “Most scientists believe . . . ” Utter nonsense.

  • avatar
    pmirp1

    These ignorant fascists in both America and Europe won’t stop at mandates forcing car companies to stop making ICE vehicles. The next move is to stop sale of gasoline and diesel.

    Of-course some of their moves are already forcing natural gas prices, before winter even starts in Europe, to sky rocket. The wealthy will be warm and will pay whatever penalty to drive and fly in lap of luxury, while the rest of middle class will face the hordes from Haiti and have to live in the cities with them because electric vehicles are city toys only with no infrastructure to support them.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    In other news, the Afghani religious group Taliban Isn’t Radical Enough has sued the ruling Taliban government in the country’s high court, demanding the Taliban ban every vehicle in Afghanistan that is not a Toyota Hilux pickup truck.

    What implications does this have for the U.S. market? Discuss.

    • 0 avatar
      pmirp1

      when was the last time you saw an electric military vehicle in Afghanistan? Or anywhere for that matter?

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        I don’t know, when was the last time a frivolous lawsuit in another country caused a carmaker to quit making gas-powered cars for our market?

        I think you missed my point.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        You don’t really see them, but there are a bunch of them cruising around under the ocean at any given time and several of them on top sailing around launching aircraft.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Imagine the tax credit for one of those diesel electric subs.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          A nuclear powered aircraft carrier or submarine is the ultimate self-contained EV.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Actually, nuclear powered vessels are driven by steam turbines, not electric motors. The nuclear reactor makes steam, which drives the turbine. Conventionally powered ships are also turbine-powered, the only difference being that the steam is generated by internal combustion engines. If I remember correctly, the current fleet of US destroyers actually runs on jet fuel.

            Diesel electric subs are the closest thing to an EV. The diesel engine generates electricity, which is stored in batteries, and once the ship submerges, the diesels are shut off, and the batteries power the sub. Eventually the juice runs out, and the sub has to surface to run the diesels and recharge the batteries. There are actually subs today that can recharge the batteries with diesel power while submerged.

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            Actually, the closest to an EV are the AUVs and UUVs. As battery densities come up, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some small manned subs at some point. Much cheaper and simpler than nuclear subs. More subs are better.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Maybe somewhat with the attack boats, but the ability to stay down indefinitely will keep nuclear reactors on the missile boats

  • avatar
    kcflyer

    These shake down artist are amateurs. The real pro’s use carbon credits to punish companies who make useful, competitive products that don’t conform to their political views. Or perhaps they should hire Sharpton and Jackson and claim these products are racist. Then after paying a suitable bribe the “reverends” would issue a statement singing their praises.

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    Gotta love the arbitrary “not green enough”

    We don’t need to be more green. There’s no such thing.

    It’s astounding that people think that the laughably bad electric vehicles on sale today are somehow clean for the environment. Battery materials are not free and extremely damaging to the planet to extract. Electricity isn’t free, and disposal of the battery pack is damaging. And that’s before you get to the fact that because modern EVs are terrible, you need another whole vehicle just so you can do what one ICE vehicle does. That’s not very green either.

    The green movement has shown how disgusting politicians are and how they will weaponize junk science to push their agenda. It’s insanity.

  • avatar
    probert

    Glad to know you’ll be footing the bill for FEMA this year – what a guy!!! I hear fire fighters like pizza. Seriously, get a job…I mean another job.

  • avatar
    MitchConner

    More environmentalist stupidity. Just like:

    * Closing down an oil pipeline construction project only to have the same output eventually shipped by rail for export to China.

    * Hamstringing American oil production only to ask OPEC to pump more because the rising price of crude is hitting consumers hard.

    * Closing nuclear power plants only to fill the slack with plants fueled by Russian natural gas.

    * Al Gore instructing the Bureau of Land Management not to execute an approved and signed program to remove millions of dead trees from California forests to pacify the Sierra Club — only for the rotting timber to eventually fuel wildfires later on.

    * Signing accords that further restrict America’s already improved emissions — only to allow China, India, and other countries to throw as much filth around as they want — so guess where American middle class manufacturing jobs go?

    * Flying on private jets and dispatching your 300 foot long yacht to Italy — to participate in Google’s save the planet conference.

    The problem is these lunatics scream and cry and whine until spineless politicians like Obama, Merkel, Kerry, and Joke Biden pacify them. Then what happens? They start screaming and crying and whining for some other cockeyed goal pulled out of their emotional rear ends with absolutely no grounding in economics or reality.

    They also create untold economic damage by hiring bottom of the barrel law school graduates to file suit after suit after suit that tie up housing and other construction projects for years. The result? Nothing gets done. So, for example, in Silicon Valley, there’s such a housing shortage anybody who isn’t a highly compensated engineer has to commute for 2.5 to 3 hours ONE WAY by car to get to work.

    Unbelievable. Yet millions of knuckleheads believe in what they do because they’re economically and financially illiterate because even with an advanced degree they’re still poorly educated as their heads have been pumped full of mush. Look at the ding-a-ling Representative from New York City. A freaking BARTENDER with zero real world business experience other than dividing up tips is now influencing our environmental policies with her dopey Green New Deal.

    • 0 avatar
      jose carlos

      indeed

    • 0 avatar
      Master Baiter

      @MitchConner

      Well said sir.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      This, and the rejoinder below from the user name roughly translating to “the best at being able to stir hornets’ nests,” are at the crux of the disagreements between right and left!

      This big blue marble was here before humans existed, and will be here long after we’ve nuked ourselves! So please don’t self-righteously demand that I drive some amorphous glorified golf cart! We’ve come a long way with cleaning up tailpipe emissions, enough that the “law of diminishing returns” will come into play sooner rather than later! Especially given that the battery supply chain, at least as of now, is likely to do more damage to the environment as it stands, not to mention that the power grid, which is sketchy at best in some parts of the country depending on the season, isn’t going to be helped with all of the aforementioned golf carts sucking down even more juice!

  • avatar
    redapple

    Mitch
    Thank you for your comments. I thought i was the only one.

    PS- China emits 3X the pollution we do per Dollar of GDP. Once the first world goes green, carbon based fuels cost will fall and Xi will get 3x more value -work done per dollar of fuel (than we will). Meanwhile the dummies in the 1st world will be paying $0.60 /kWh (all in price. the windmill plus the Rube Goldberg water tank up pump during the day – drain at night at generate electric or the back up natural gas generator).

    PPS- Posts like yours and Victor Davis Hanson and Hugh Hewitt keep me sane i guess.
    PPPS – There is no man made global warming to worry about. Vladivostok Ice Core Study.

    • 0 avatar
      MitchConner

      Need another example of environmental stupidity? Take the drought in the western US — particularly California.

      Analysis of 2500 year old bristlecone pine rings shows that the 19th and 20th centuries were abnormally wet. Yet that’s when European settlers showed up and started measuring precipitation, etc. So those are the supposed “norms.”

      Meanwhile, the rings also show that California has had droughts lasting 100 years beginning as early as 708 AD — to be followed by a few wet years — followed by another 70 year drought.

      Now, as the state’s drying out again — idiots like that complete failure as mayor of San Francisco Gavin Newsom are running around in circles, arms flailing about, screeching CLIMATE CHANGE — when the fact is the area’s a desert that needs more reservoirs and desalinization plants to support the millions of goofballs who live there.

      So is the state facing reality and actually doing something based on facts and data? Nah. Team Donkey’s answers are more gas taxes, electric car subsidies, laws ordering solar panels on everything, and laws banning natural gas from all future home construction — while China’s building more coal fired power plants and reopening closed coal mines to meet increasing demand.

      Fortunately, after living there for 40 years — I wised up and moved.

      • 0 avatar
        Rick T.

        “Historical documents, tree rings, archaeological remains, lake sediment, and geomorphic data make it clear that the droughts of the twentieth century, including those of the 1930s and 1950s, were eclipsed several times by droughts earlier in the last 2000 years, and as recently as the late sixteenth century. In general, some droughts prior to 1600 appear to be characterized by longer duration (i.e., multidecadal) and greater spatial extent than those of the twentieth century.”

        https://www.edwardsaquifer.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/1998_WoodhouseOverpeck_DroughtVariability.pdf

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @Rick T. Where did you find that gem?

          Have you read the report front to back?

          A 23 year old report does not cover current trends.

          At least you didn’t say, “I emplore you to look at this”.

          • 0 avatar
            MitchConner

            Maybe you should read it and learn something. It’s only published by the American Meteorological Society instead of a bunch of idiots in Birkenstocks.

            As for its age — so what? The data within it is the still the data. And that data reinforces exactly what I said before.

            Meanwhile, California’s been having increasing issues with droughts since the 1980’s — and still has yet to turn one shovel of dirt to build a desalinization plant.

            That’s colossally stupid.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @MitchConner – A few “worse” droughts in 1,000 years doesn’t negate the severity of drought and/or hot dry weather in the past 23 years of which that report doesn’t cover.

            Part of the problem with current drought is the gross miscalculation of sustainable water flow in the Colorado watershed.

            Desalination plants can help but are expensive.

            Did you read it?

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            @Lou,

            I didn’t read the report referenced, but can regurgitate what American Society of Civil Engineers rated California’s infrastructure: C-

            The state has leaders that aren’t interested in fixing anything unless its on fire (literally and figuratively). It’s certainly not the only state with dysfunctional leadership, but when problems like drought and capturing rain water and runoff and how much water is used by farm land (85%) vs what is used by residents (15%), the picture becomes more clear. We don’t really have political leaders. We have professional grifters.

            California is a perennial basketcase. Terrible public policy decisions supported by political retreads who once they term out in Sacramento scurry back to one of the big cities to continue their grift on city councils. Unless you’re Pelosi’s nephew. Then you can just fail upward from SF mayor to Lt. Governor to Governor.

            I don’t even bother saying the name of the party anymore. Everyone knows who continues to screw this once great state.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @jkross22 – politicians don’t care about anything beyond election cycles. They continually kick the can down the road.
            I see your point because I see the same crap where I live. We’ve been over-harvesting trees for longer than I’ve been alive. Reforestation isn’t keeping up. It’s a known problem since I was a kid.

            As far as the posted link. I read it. Over the past 2,000 years there’s been similar and worse droughts but they don’t know why. They do say that climate change and over- irrigation is making current issues worse.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “ Need another example of environmental stupidity? Take the drought in the western US — particularly California.”

        You could have stopped there. Nothing goes together better than California and stupidity. Your point about forest management is spot on but it’s not their fault, it’s that big scary global warming!

      • 0 avatar
        Master Baiter

        “Fortunately, after living there for 40 years — I wised up and moved.”

        Me too, after 11 years in the Bay Area. Now I have twice the house, paid for in cash. We have plenty of water here, no mask mandates, and electricity costs $0.08/kWh for all you want to use. Screw California.

  • avatar
    kcflyer

    Meanwhile here in single party rule NY state they closed a clean nuclear plant and dozens of relatively modern coal plants. At the same time they are using tax payer funding to mow down forest and farmland to build toxic waste dumps (they call them solar fields) They are also fond of using tax payer money to give wealthy donors rights to build huge wind turbines that wind up in landfills but not before destroying more farmland and forest during construction. Calling A.O.C. a bartender is much too kind. A good bartender can remember how to make hundreds of drinks.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    “You know, I think a lot of my controversial ire for electric vehicles stems from the fact that they’re being mandated rather than improved to a point where they make sense to buy over internal-combustion cars.”

    That’s the problem many of us have. I’m of a mind to purchase another ICE car just as a thumb in the eye to overzealous environmentalists. My only fear is that the government could make operating an ICE prohibitively expensive via gasoline taxes, shutting down gas stations or other draconian measures that the communists occupying the executive branch now would be all too happy to implement.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      “communists occupying the executive branch”

      As opposed to the xenophobic nepotistic kleptocracy that previously occupied the executive branch?

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        “As opposed to the xenophobic nepotistic kleptocracy that previously occupied the executive branch?”

        Tell me you don’t know what those words mean without telling me you don’t know what those words mean.

      • 0 avatar
        Master Baiter

        “As opposed to the xenophobic nepotistic kleptocracy that previously occupied the executive branch?”

        Yes, diametrically opposed in fact. I’m glad you see my point. Some of us out here just want to be left the hell alone:

        Not told what to drive.
        Not told we can’t have a pipeline to move oil efficiently.
        Not told we must share our country with uninvited invaders.
        Not told we must wear masks in situations where it makes no sense.
        Not told we must get vaccinated even if we have immunity.
        Not told that being colorblind is now racist.
        Not being told our president is a Russian spy with no evidence.
        Not being told our president called Neo-Nazis fine people in direct opposition to the facts.
        Not being told our president suggested injecting bleach to treat COVID in direct opposition to the facts.
        Not being told we’re doomed because the Earth might warm a few degrees in a hundred years.
        Not being told that requiring an ID to vote is racist.
        Not being forced to support able-bodied people who choose not to work.
        Not being forced to share public spaces with mentally ill, drug addicted squatters who should be involuntarily institutionalized.

        But I get it Lou_BC. You’re a collectivist. We have a word for radical collectivism–it’s called communism.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “radical collectivism”

          Too funny.

          I lean libertarian centre left. I’m all for a person having the right to do what ever they want as long as it doesn’t harm anyone else.

          “Some of us out here just want to be left the hell alone”

          Well, I’m sure Alaska has some remote spots you can go hide in.

          Kinda testy.

          #Triggered.

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      Unfortunately most Americans have zero concept of what the term ‘communist’ means. It is used to scare them the way that the ‘boogey man’ is used to scare children.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Arthur Dailey – cold war propaganda still affects the thought patterns of many adults in the USA. “Boogey man” indeed.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Webster’s Right Wing Dictionary:

          Communist
          (ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-st)

          1) Anyone who disagrees with me politically.
          2) Everyone who disagrees with me politically.
          3) A word I use when I run out of things to call someone who disagrees with me politically.

          • 0 avatar
            probert

            and anyone who does anything motivated by more than immediate self interest. Particularly if it is kind or generous.

          • 0 avatar
            chuckrs

            FM, you, Lou and Arthur might do well to read almost anything by Robert Conquest. May I suggest starting with “The Great Terror”, an account of Stalin’s activities in the 1930’s. It is an excellent summary of what communism really is. Now if you want to call Stalin the leader of The Fuzzy Bunny Appreciation Society, go right ahead. Along with Mousey Dung and AH, they are the greatest monsters of the 20th century. Sometimes the Boogey Man is real.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “FM, you, Lou and Arthur might do well to read”

            That last word is where you lost those folks.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            @chuckrs, I completed a specialized degree on that subject while EBFlex was just starting to read Pravda. Stalin murdered any actual communists including Trotsky.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @chuckrs –

            On the subject of reading:

            “Given his reputation, one may ask whether Joseph Stalin was really a Communist. This question acquired direct practical significance after the revolution against Stalinism that culminated in 1991. Both anti-Communists of the left and the proponents of perestroika in the Soviet Union insisted that Stalinism was a criminal betrayal of the revolution and of Marxist ideals. Stalin’s commitment to Marxism and even to socialism only served to camouflage the establishment of a new oriental despotism”

            The Rise and Fall of Communism in Russia
            Robert V. Daniels
            Print publication date: 2007

            Print ISBN-13: 9780300106497

            Published to Yale Scholarship Online: October 2013

            DOI: 10.12987/yale/9780300106497.001.0001

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @chuckrs:

            I’ve read all about Stalin, and I’ve read Marx as well. Stalin was a dictator, plain and simple. The Soviet Union was NEVER a a communist state. In fact, we’ve never seen communism, as envisioned by Marx, actually practiced. The closest thing I can think of is an Israeli kibbutz.

            Otherwise, you have to look to fiction for depictions of a communist society – “Star Trek” is a good example.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @FreedMike – It is difficult for those of us accustomed to debating topics based upon facts when both sides disagree on what is a fact.

            Thank you search and social media algorithms for negatively amplifying the primitive human desire for validation.

  • avatar
    ThomasSchiffer

    Every self-respecting car owner and automotive enthusiast here in Germany despises the Deutsche Umwelthilfe.

    To the person who stated that the ‘German government would never destroy its own [car] industry’ – that is precisely what these idiots in the Bundestag are doing. They are cutting off the branch on which they are sitting. The German government, well primarily the left-wing political parties, financially support the Deutsche Umwelthilfe.

    Some carmakers like Mercedes-Benz and Toyota were also stupid enough to support this disgusting organization.

    Fun fact, the president of the Deutsche Umwelthilfe, Every self-respecting car owner and automotive enthusiast here in Germany despises the Deutsche Umwelthilfe.

    To the person who stated that the ‘German government would never destroy its own [car] industry’ – that is precisely what these idiots in the Bundestag are doing. They are cutting off the branch on which they are sitting. The German government, well primarily the left-wing political parties, financially support the Deutsche Umwelthilfe.

    Some carmakers like Mercedes-Benz and Toyota were also stupid enough to support this disgusting organization.

    Fun fact, the president of the Deutsche Umwelthilfe, Jürgen Resch, is a frequent flier and is very chummy with the Lufthansa. Come to think of it, the Green Party politicians in Germany have more flight miles than all other German political parties combined. They primarily fly within Germany and often abroad. Another fun fact – the German Green Party wants to ban domestic flights. Instead of quickly and comfortably flying from city to city, we are supposed to suffocate in slow-moving trains with unreliable air-conditioning systems which always fail during the summer while also facing the possibility of getting stabbed in the back by one of those ‘Merkel guests’ who illegally entered the country since 2015.

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    Crosley

    The Left loves litigation, they can’t get things through the normal, democratic process.

    But they can always find some unelected judge that thinks they are a “super -legislator” and doesn’t have pesky voters to worry about and can stay on until they die. Like a King.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @Crosley

      “The left loves litigation”

      The last president mostly through his sycophants filed over 200 lawsuits involving the 2020 election. Most were thrown out of court.

      “In June 2016, USA Today published an analysis of litigation involving Donald Trump, which found that over the previous three decades Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.”

      Texas’s new anti- abortion law allows ANY citizen to sue ANY person alleged to “assist” an abortion after 6 weeks pregnant.

  • avatar
    28-Cars-Later

    “Deutsche Umwelthilfe (literally DUH)”

    “DUH” sounds about right for these loons.

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