By on April 16, 2021

Washington has elected to become the first slice of America to ban the internal combustion motor, and we don’t just mean new sales. The Pacific state passed a bill on Thursday that would make the registration of gasoline or diesel-powered vehicles from the 2030 model year onwards illegal — leaving residents with the option to purchase a new electric vehicle, buy a secondhand gas burner, or throw up their hands and move elsewhere.

It’s an interesting concept, especially considering there’s very little evidence to suggest the industry will be at a point where total EV adoption will be remotely plausible by 2030. Even California, which is famous for its heavy-handed environmental regulations didn’t think it could start mandating the death of the internal combustion engine until at least 2035. Though Washington is reportedly not making this a concrete rule and it hinges on the adoption of another bill that would tax vehicles based on the number of miles driven. Think of it like a fuel tax that follows you around, even if you’re not using any. 

Since Washington doesn’t want to find itself missing any revenue, the bill’s text (HB 1287) explains that the vehicle ban isn’t supposed to take off until at least three-quarters of the state’s registered vehicles are subject to the proposed road usage charges. Reuters also noted that Democratic Governor Jay Inslee also has also yet to sign the bill into law. But he has previously expressed support to his party for putting the plan forward.

Not everyone has been as enthusiastic, however. State Attorney General Bob Ferguson said he was having serious doubts about the viability of the plan way back in January. The rules are also likely to encourage courtrooms dramas where people will accuse the state of exceeded its authority under the federal Clean Air Act. California is technically the only state granted special exemptions from the rule. But it encountered a multi-year fight for having pressed for rules many argued would have forcibly influenced the rest of the United States. Washington’s rule will undoubtedly come under the same scrutiny with fewer legal protections at its disposal.

The bills’ original language is also a little vague. Neither said anything about lower emissions and instead focus on building up the Washington economy by swapping the populace to EVs that will use locally sourced electricity. It also talks quite a bit about jobs, specifically from the construction of battery hubs designed to help support the grid and the addition of charging points that will feed the potentially mandatory EVs. But it does mention how the regulatory changes might help mitigate water pollution. Our guess is so that it can stay away from using any language that might allow opponents to easily rope in the Clean Air Act during legal challenges.

HB 1204 and SB 5256 are still in committee while HB 1287 applies to all privately and publicly owned light-duty vehicles with a weight of under 10,000 pounds, though motorcycles will be left alone. Your author frequently comes out against vehicle bans and this one is no different. But it should be said that Washington is at least in a position that gives the suggested rules some amount of creditability. The majority of the state’s electricity currently comes from hydroelectric power and it has a good mix of renewables and nuclear. If you’re going to force EVs down the public gullet, that’s the kind of energy breakdown you’d want. However, the situation could easily change as more electric vehicles take the stage and we’ve seen countries like Germany and China falling back on dirtier sources of energy (often coal) to feed an overtaxed grid, sending their air quality in the wrong direction.

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106 Comments on “Washington Wants to Become First State to Ban Gasoline Powered Cars...”


  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    If You Mandate It, They Will Come.

  • avatar
    RangerM

    If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street
    If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat
    If you get too cold, I’ll tax the heat
    If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet

  • avatar
    Scoutdude

    ” leaving residents with the option to purchase a new electric vehicle, buy a secondhand gas burner, or throw up their hands and move elsewhere.”

    I’ve been leaning to throwing up my hands and moving elsewhere because of our messed up gov’t and this is just another reason.

    My only hope is that it might make the residents get rid of the idiots they keep electing.

    • 0 avatar
      Dan

      “… it might make the residents get rid of the idiots they keep electing.”

      If you still believe that after the last 40 years of California I don’t know what else to tell you.

      • 0 avatar
        Scoutdude

        I didn’t say it was likely, just that it was the only possible good thing that could come from this.

        Hell last time around we didn’t even get a credible republican challenger for greenie Jay who robbed us of so much money traveling around the US in his failed run for president.

        • 0 avatar
          thornmark

          I read that no Republican has won state-wide in WA since they adopted vote fraud by mail

          • 0 avatar
            redapple

            >>THORNMARK

            Agreed. But they ll call us kooks.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “vote fraud by mail” Evidence, where oh where is the evidence.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            This is very wrong as we currently have a Republican statewide elected official—and she is the one who oversees our elections.

            https://www.sos.wa.gov/office/kim-wyman.aspx

          • 0 avatar
            Steve S.

            No, Washington hasn’t had a Republican governor since 1985. That’s way before vote by mail, and despite what your orange messiah says, vote by mail works fine because both parties have representatives who oversee the count.

            @redapple we call you kooks because you are.

          • 0 avatar
            el scotto

            @thornmark Sir, those mail-in ballots have serial numbers. Three (3, trois, tres) people inspect and count said mail-in ballot. How is there fraud with 3 people inspecting a mail-in ballot? There isn’t any, that’s why. Even in GA, the Republicans said the election was fair. So no not in Washington state or any other state was there any statistically relevant voter fraud. Yes, there will always be a statistically insignificant amount of voter fraud in any election. That state’s Secretary of State’s flatulence will have more bearing and be more important. I’ve worked elections before. It’s a long, boring, and poorly paid day. Too many people, reference the 3 ballot observers, and moving parts (precincts) for fraud to occur. I mean the best Trump supporters could do was get the observers six whole feet closer! I would humbly suggest that anyone declaring “voter fraud” work the next election. Or pay a high-priced law firm to refile defeated lawsuits.

          • 0 avatar
            swester

            Or maybe it’s one of the few states in which the population has fully realized that the Republican Party gave up any semblance of humanity and values decades ago – let alone being “conservative”, which hasn’t seemed to matter on their agenda for nearly as long.

            It truly has become the party of QAnon-fueled kooks, whining about cancel culture and election. Enjoy losing elections until you accept that you’ve been duped by egotistical con men.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            I hope one day you grow up and realize in the world of adults nothing is ever that simple.

    • 0 avatar
      Norman Stansfield

      The idiots imported new residents to stay in power. Maybe partial idiots?

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Yuri Bezmenov warned in 1984 that next Americans will be so delusional that you will be showing to them that color is red but they will still call it green.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        What did old Yuri have to say about that big nation that failed a few years later?

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Why do you think it failed? Referendum of March 17 1991 showed that vast majority of people wanted to stay in the Union. There were some reforms done to give more power to the republics. What happened half year later was totally illegal and artificial. But the people were so fatigued that nobody had done anything about.

          Same thing is happening in the US right now. People are extremely fatigued. And it is perfect time for states to declare sovereignty. Nobody will have any energy to do anything. States de-facto do this already. Their new laws that defy federal regulations are just beginning of detachment. Watch, if SCOTUS gets packed, you will see some real movement in this direction.

          Bonus: https://youtu.be/2l18VstAylU

          • 0 avatar
            JD-Shifty

            dumb hardcore trump type people are dying off though. it’s time to stop letting these folks run things

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            I think it failed because it no longer exists. And even before it failed the people all trapped under it’s “enlightened rule” told you to shove it and sent out and tore the wall down themselves.

            We have problems, but we are addressing them at the ballot box and sometimes via protest. The difference is nobody is getting run over with tanks. And of course, we are still a country.

          • 0 avatar
            el scotto

            @savuta Sir, two quick questions: 1. Does the GRU/KGB edit or review anything you type? 2. Laws cannot defy federal regulations, they can be stricter than federal regulations but not less. The US has always lurched from one crisis to the next. No one cares about Russian history or what unrepentant communists say about it.

          • 0 avatar
            Matt Posky

            @el scotto This is actually not true. We’re currently seeing multiple states pass laws that would prohibit federal gun restriction suggested by the recent Biden EOs and other states have been doing the exact same thing by decriminalizing things like marijuana for years.

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            @el scotto: Here’s an old article about how they operate:

            https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            @el scotto

            I am glad that you know some abbreviations. I can give you even more – CIA, NSA, FBI, DIA, NGA, NRO, AI, MCI, NI, USAF ISR, USSF ISR, OICI, I&A, CGI, ONSI, INR

            You don’t care about history? I am sorry for you. You will repeat it. And it will eat you. Things always work the same. America is not immune. Current regime is removing last safeguards, so the dam will be breached. The question is only – how soon?

            Recently was thinking of it. What is going to happen if cops will be downsized, relegated or canceled? I remember these things happened before. KGB and Soviet military. Saddam’s Army officers. Lets see. Latter one has created ISIS. And the former – organized mafia with bunch of professional hitmen, capable of holding police department in fear.
            This is what I think will happen. x-Cops will make perfect mafiozos.

          • 0 avatar
            tomLU86

            @el scotto

            Forty years ago, it was a good bet that the New York Times was truthful, and a sure thing that Pravda (aka “Truth”) was lying.

            Now, when it comes to international relations, the exact opposite is true. How sad.

            The proposed Washington law is moronic. As with California’s moronic edicts, as the day of implementation draws closer, they will amend or defer it.

            If Washington state really wanted to ‘reduce CO2 tailpipe emissions’, it could tax motor fuel to entice people to use less gasoline, or go electric. This would have the desired effect or reducing motor fuel use and resulting tailpipe emissions, without forcing people to buy old cars.

            The thing is, America is suburbia. People need cars. Also, the USA has a high standard of living. It’s a sophisticated society. Big farming, big corporations, big tech. One of their inputs is capital–reliable money. People cannot survive on a primal level here as they could in the USSR, Eastern Europe, or the countries the USA meddles in with our ‘forever’ wars.

            Our high standard of living is fragile.

            In addition to the COVID plague and (hopefully) COVID hangover blowing, we face have many ill winds, not breezes, winds, any one of which could damage or undo our fragile set-up: potential inflation, civil strife, insurrection, or a moronic miscalculation with Russia or China could blow us down. Several of these winds in tandem could do it.

            So, when I read about proposals like Washington States, or California’s failed edicts, or Oregon’s proposal to “tax miles” with a transponder, complex solutions to problem with a simple answer (tax motor fuel), that intelligent lawyers have come up with, not uneducated felons, it confirms that our leaders are either unable or unwilling to level with the public (perhaps because then they won’t get elected? Or perhaps because their sources of campaign money dictate the agenda?), and it’s easier to kick the can and dig the hole deeper.

            Not that I have all good answers to all our problems. But I just think this proposal is a wrong answer. My 22 cents worth….

          • 0 avatar
            dantes_inferno

            >dumb hardcore trump type people are dying off though. it’s time to stop letting these folks run things

            You voted Trump out to keep the U.S. from turning red. Biden will turn the U.S. a different type of red.

            Who knows? The U.S. may even adopt Canada’s recent “your papers please” ideology.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          America I knew also no longer exists. Courts don’t work. Same crime interpreted differently depends who is accused. Etc.

          This is actually a question, what is better. When several dudes decide to split and become a king in a small kingdom, or when 2 large masses of population hating each other. May be this is why there was no war when USSR split. But America is already at war. Not full-blown yet but all the symptoms are there.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            No War? Don’t you have a bunch of tanks with “Invasion Stripes” Parked at the Ukranian border? And aren’t you still fighting in Chechnya?

            I know, those are justified because those people are really Russians and it is the other guys doing the opressing. Like Georgia and Crimea.

            Following your logic, we should just take over Mexico. Sure, they are a whole other soverign nation and all, but look how many come to the US.

            Know what, we had a debate about building a wall recently. It was to keep people out. You guys build them to keep people in. This is the difference in our two nations. That and of course, ours is still a nation. Yours is something people shake their head at in history books.

            And I am sure you care deeply about history since that is where your nation has been relegated to. Thank God.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Art,

          you continue this funky narrative in which you cut out context and timeframe and start from yesterday as there never was a week before yesterday

          “No War? Don’t you have a bunch of tanks with “Invasion Stripes” Parked at the Ukranian border? And aren’t you still fighting in Chechnya?”

          No war – no major war. There were 2 ethnic conflicts – Transnistria and Karabakh. Both small and local. And both were put out, with Karabakh finally solving itself this year.

          “Don’t you have a bunch of tanks with “Invasion Stripes” Parked at the Ukranian border” – Fist. I don’t have anything. Second, the tanks CNN showed to you were Ukrainian. I think, CNN pulled it down but RT still has it https://youtu.be/WG34ZVRVlBY?t=22
          Besides, Ukraine did the buildup since January. Biden finally called to Z-Presedent and everything will calm down soon.

          “And aren’t you still fighting in Chechnya?” – I fight only with my wife and liberal fascism. Chechnya has its military commander Kadyrov who works for Putin. Putin knows how to cooperate with people.

          Georgia? what about Georgia? Georgia is what, 2008. And USSR is what, 1991. So what about it?
          Before speaking about Georgia, go and read OSCE report on it. Then come here and talk what you learn from CNN.
          Make sure you don’t have to be like the Georgian president after reading it https://youtu.be/rZ02MlVRcMA

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          I love when westerners talk about Chechnya. I remember France gave refuge to some of the fighters. Last year !!! son !!! of one of these, who was brought to France as a small kid, he just cut his teacher’s head off. And a couple of them blew Boston marathon after FBI was warned.

          So, what is your concern about Chechnya? I still don’t get it.
          I have good news for you, some people think remaining Boston Bomber should be released. Hey, why not?

    • 0 avatar
      Imagefont

      One of the reasons you see so many old junkers in Seattle, oh excuse me – classics, is because the laws make it more economical to register an older car. Start with that and quit taxing newer (and cleaner) cars MORE than old junkers that pollute.
      This neurotic fixation on electrical vehicles is just insane. Reward people for buying new cars that run cleaner. Tax vehicles based on their gross vehicle weight. Incentivize public transportation, work from home, stop building bigger and bigger highways. The BEV is not a magic bullet.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    “…it hinges on the adoption of another bill that would tax vehicles based on the number of miles driven”

    This is how it should be anyway, in the face of rising CAFE targets.

    The calculation could be:
    Tax = GVWR x miles driven (or GVWR^2 x miles driven). This works equally well for any vehicle.

    As for banning – I’m not a fan. There are other ways to change the sales mix without being heavy-handed.

    • 0 avatar
      gass-man

      How does the State know how many miles I’ve driven? My odometer is broken. Is that now going to be a criminal offense?

      Big Brother smiles knowingly…

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        Chances are that, if your odometer is broken, the state will impose an alternative tax high enough to make it worth your while to get your odometer fixed.

        Pretty uncommon scenario in any case given that all cars have had digital odometers now for nearly 20 years.

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          There’s broken and then there’s “broken”. A lump tax paid at registration sounds good on paper but it also gives more incentive for evasion. So then the state either just lives with the fraud or has to increase the investigative and enforcement capabilities of its DOT.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            I think there are few enough analog odometers left in service that the state would probably just live with the prospect of fraud. It’s going to be an unusual person who is willing to drive a 20+-year-old vehicle a high enough number of miles that it matters just to avoid a mileage tax.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            “A lump tax paid at registration sounds good on paper but it also gives more incentive for evasion.”

            I realize things vary by state but many I know of already have a registration tax… oh maybe its a “fee” because we like to call taxes other names to fool the citizenry.

        • 0 avatar
          Luke42

          One car I got deep in to (2001 Volkswagen) happened to have two digital odometers — one in the instrument cluster, and one in the ECU.

          Seemed like a sensible setup, both in terms of preventing odometer fraud (which used to be a big problem when cars were bought and sold).

          Odometer fraud isn’t as common as it used to be.

      • 0 avatar
        SCE to AUX

        Don’t you have annual registration, and/or annual safety inspections, in which the odometer figure is recorded?

        BTW, it’s not Big-Brotherish for the state to know your odometer reading. It’s a means of consumer protection against fraud during the sale and resale of vehicles. That’s why odometer tampering is a crime, and a broken one is flagged at resale.

        I once replaced a broken mechanical odometer; the replacement had red digits on the tenths wheel to identify it as being a replacement. Even when I traded the car with a functioning replacement, they had to mark the car’s miles as ‘unknown’ because they didn’t have the original odometer. In fact, the miles were 206k.

        • 0 avatar
          gass-man

          “Don’t you have annual registration, and/or annual safety inspections, in which the odometer figure is recorded?”

          In at least two states I know of – curiously on polar opposite sides of the red/blue spectrum – there is no annual inspection of any kind. Maryland and Florida.

          Also to ajla’s point, evasion will be highly incentivized. They don’t have to break the odometer. For example, people will run taller tires to pay less tax. You can already buy cheap CAN bus odometer foolers for current cars on Alibaba. Booming business to be had there if this passes.

          The Big Brother reference I made refers to the invasive and unethical tracking that will required. Think government-owned GPS “black boxes” that “phone home” with your every move for time-of-day and location-based taxation. And that you go to jail for if the little anti-tamper stickers over the cover screws are damaged.

          Maybe I need to remind you that Washington state proposed just such a device just last year?

          • 0 avatar
            SoCalMikester

            you mean… like every single cellphone out there?

            ridiculous to even mention “big brother” when they have a tracking device on them at all times.

          • 0 avatar
            PlannedObsolescence

            You can add SC to the list of states with no inspection at all.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          Washington doesn’t currently have inspections except for a tiny number of ’90s cars still subject to emissions testing, but I assume that if we implemented a VMT we’d start quick plug-into-OBD checks.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            Nope emissions inspections are all done as the hit the point where too few cars were required to be tested.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            I had to get my ‘95 Legend tested in November 2019. At the time I understood it would have to be tested once more, this year. Did they end the program early?

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            It was effective Jan 2 2020. So if you would have failed to renew your registration for a few months you could have got away w/o having it tested since there were no stations to get it tested at. Thankfully there is no penalty for failing to renew on time, well at least if you don’t drive it and get caught.

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          “BTW, it’s not Big-Brotherish for the state to know your odometer reading.”

          I disagree. I have heard plenty of stories about people in the business clocking cars in the 80s and who did real time for it, but now everything is in the ECU and the chances of this happening are now minimal. Not to mention every private service business in creation is recording this information on every form and in many cases selling it. For anyone who gets savvy enough to try to flash the ECUs it wouldn’t take the feds/state police long to track them down and then enjoy a long stay at the grey bar motel.

      • 0 avatar
        kjhkjlhkjhkljh kljhjkhjklhkjh

        Your OBDB port will tell the sate inspector your mileage. If your car is ”too old” for a odbd port you will pay a tax based on a average for your country / region.

        Fell free to sue .. you will lose.

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          I think you are overestimating the level of difficulty it takes to alter digital odometers and ODB data.

          Right now only curbstoner types really do it but once it becomes a direct link to a tax bill the pool of those interested in fraud will increase. So again states are either going to have to ramp up investigation/enforcement or accept some level of people skirting the tax.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            Several years ago I ran across a video from a guy in Europe who’s mechanic found a device in his used car. I’m not sure why the shop had the instrument cluster out but they found this device between the cluster and the harness. The shop then hooked up to the OBD port and looked at the mileage in the ECU. Once the device was removed the instrument cluster reset itself to the mileage in the ECU, increasing it something like 20%.

            Because the mileage is recorded in both modules this device had two CAN transceivers so apparently it dropped counts in the signal heading to the cluster but kept the ECU thinking everything was normal. The device had a row of solder pads in one corner. A4, two different BMW chassis codes and a Mercedes model.

            The thought is that it is for those company lease vehicles so they could exceed the allotted miles.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        Odometer broken? In most jurisdictions, it’s illegal to have a broken or altered Odometer.

    • 0 avatar
      Garrett

      No.

      Even if you don’t drive, you benefit from roads unless you are completely self sufficient and purchase nothing.

      The idea of taxing miles allows free ridership for people that don’t drive, or who use public transport that would be exempt.

      Pay for the roads without tying it to some sort of scheme to punish people for freedom of movement.

    • 0 avatar
      wiseweasel

      An issue I see with this is how do you tax me when I drive out of state? You tax me plus their fuel tax = dual taxation. Especially prominent for people who live near borders. Or heaven forbid in another country. I live near the Canada border, and drive there regularly. If other states implement similar taxes, they will see no revenue from my usage of their roads.

      Not suggesting these things are unsolvable. Just pointing out it is not a simple solution.

  • avatar
    Fred

    Well by 2030 I doubt I’ll find a new hatchback with manual of any kind let alone one that I like. So I’ll by a used one, take it do a hot rod shop and have it updated. Problem solved.

  • avatar
    ajla

    I think banks and other institutions should be pressured to stop financing new ICE vehicles. Or, at least add 10% to interest rates on anything over $20k to help offset the externalities.

    Automakers also need to be taken to task about their continued production of certain ICE vehicles. Obviously people still need to get around but something like a Camaro SS is nothing but an irresponsible climate change vector and a menace on the roads. Yet GM will still sell you one.

    • 0 avatar
      gass-man

      Why do you hate poor people? That’s the people who would be hurt the most by your proposed coercion.

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        Poor people need new V8 Camaros to get around or need to finance over $20k for a brand new vehicle purchase?

        • 0 avatar
          gass-man

          The cheapest new minivans are over $25k. Why do you hate poor families so much that they aren’t allowed to buy new cars?

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            I don’t hate them. However, if you have that many kids and want a new vehicle then you should have to pay for the environmental damage you are causing. You have to draw the line somewhere in order to safeguard the planet’s future.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Which causes more damage on a global scale, excess vehicles or excess humanity?

            That comparison never seems to come up in State Media talking points.

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      Frankly anything beyond a first gen Leaf, maybe with a little more range is a waste of resources so vehicles beyond that should be subject to your restrictions as well regardless of powertrain. More power = more emissions used, even if they are upstream. In fact, Isn’t private vehicle ownership a luxury? Maybe any and all vehicles should be regulated as you propose and the taxes used to allow the state to provide you with a transit pass. That is all you need and would be vastly better for the environment.

      Or did you just intend for the people above and below your income bracket and not living your lifestyle to be inconvienced and punished?

      • 0 avatar
        ajla

        “In fact, Isn’t private vehicle ownership a luxury? Maybe any and all vehicles should be regulated as you propose and the taxes used to allow the state to provide you with a transit pass.”

        One step at a time.

        “not living your lifestyle to be inconvienced and punished?”

        Won’t the destruction from climate change be even more “inconvenient” than having to drive a Leaf? And yes eventually that Leaf will need to be the bullet train or bus.

        • 0 avatar
          2manycars

          Utter and complete bilge. “Climate change” is a natural process that we cannot change. “The planet” is not in peril and there is no “climate crisis”. The power brokers love useful idiots such as yourself.

          Rest assured that I will not cooperate with any of this garbage and I am far from the only one, many people will make you these same promises. I will not buy an electric car. I will not move to a Soviet-style city apartment and take public transportation. I will not put solar panels on my roof. I will not do any of it, and in fact refuse to lower my “carbon footprint” one iota. As far as I am concerned your way does not exist.

          Get stuffed.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            …another person who’s too busy being a snowflake to see that the post was satire…

          • 0 avatar
            shipping96

            Bad news: climate change is real and caused by us. 40% increase in CO2 in the last 200 years and the increased gas has isotopes that match with the burning of petrocarbons. And in that time the globe has rapidly heated.

            You choose an alternative reality, not grounded in fact.

      • 0 avatar
        gass-man

        “if you have that many kids and want a new vehicle then you should have to pay for the environmental damage you are causing.”

        So shouldn’t we then also tax people for every child they have over 2? And pressure banks and other institutions to stop financing houses with more than three bedrooms, and health insurers to stop covering birth and health care for children 3 through X? Increasing the population causes immense environmental damage. How many cars do those extra kids buy and use over their lifetimes? Definitely need to dis-incentivize that…

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          “Definitely need to dis-incentivize that”

          Agreed but laws around stuff like that don’t have a lot of public support right now. Makes more sense to take care of transportation and appliances today, then tackle food consumption issues, *then* get to the hard stuff.

          • 0 avatar
            skotastic

            This has to be one of the most terrifying comments I’ve read in a good long while on any forum.

            Basically, the only reason you are not currently advocating for a massive expansion of the state and permanent martial law is a lack of ‘public support right now’.

            You do realize that when you read 1984, watch Brazil, or study Stalinist Russia you are not supposed to say ‘wow I can’t wait to get to that future!’

            The whole point of your country was a refuge that people could escape tyranny which is the norm throughout history.

            “Agreed but laws around stuff like that don’t have a lot of public support right now. Makes more sense to take care of transportation and appliances today, then tackle food consumption issues, *then* get to the hard stuff.”

        • 0 avatar
          28-Cars-Later

          “So shouldn’t we then also tax people for every child they have over 2?”

          The overlords seem to be playing a game of population increase = economic growth. Whether by design or circumstance, the child rearing process became very expensive in the Western world and much of the native population has either dialed down families to one or two children, or in many cases decided against it altogether. As a result, the overlords began offering status to foreign nationals from poorly managed countries and turning a blind eye to 10+ million illegal aliens. If the expanding population model were truly needed, a better policy were to be to incentivize the native populations and restrict the foreign nationals/deport illegals… of course they do the opposite. Given their goals, I doubt a tax on children would ever become a reality and if it did, given the current dictatorship it would only apply to the native population.

          If you and those like you are truly worried about population increases causing environmental damage, why is it you never speak about the unmanaged and insane population growth coming from Third World nations? If the US tomorrow closed the borders to foreign nationals the birth rate would become negative. ***We-are-not-the-problem*** Why is the elephant in the room never addressed?

    • 0 avatar
      jack4x

      I thought you were buying an IS500, is that so much better for the planet than a Camaro SS?

      Who are you and where is the old ajla?

  • avatar
    dal20402

    Why are you saying these bills are “passed?” They’re in committee and look unlikely to make it out this year, given that there’s only about a week left in the session.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Aha, to answer my own question, the reason is that Matt identified the wrong bills. The one that actually got through the Legislature was E2SHB 1287.

      https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary/?billNumber=1287&year=2021&initiative=False

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    dal20402

    If you read this bill, the electric vehicle “mandate” is actually a nonbinding goal. Even though it will get all the headlines, the meat of this bill is the requirement that utilities incorporate likely demand for EV charging into their capacity planning. Seems pretty dull and technocratic.

    • 0 avatar
      thornmark

      >>meat of this bill is the requirement that utilities incorporate likely demand for EV charging into their capacity planning.

      aren’t they decommissioning nuclear and hydro plants?

      that would seem to mean they’re expecting ev to flop

      leaving the battery issue aside, Musk said ev will not be widely adopted, because the US would have to build a new power plant every month for the next 25-30 years

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        Decommissioning hydro plants? There’s a movement to do that, but there’s also a reason it’s not really going anywhere.

        We’re also opening up wind and solar as fast as we can build them. Central Washington is basically windy year-round and the wind farms there are working great.

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    stuki

    In The Age of Incompetence, everyone wants to be the first to promise compliance with the prime idiocy du jour. That’s how dystopias ran by incompetent always work.

    Of course, another universal facet of life in The Age of Incompetence, is that none of the incompetents are ever competent enough to ever do anything more than make empty promises. Actually succeeding at doing anything, would require some competence, after all. And, if the incompetents had any competence, we wouldn’t be living in The Age of Incompetence in the first place…..

    • 0 avatar
      ToolGuy

      Relevant:
      ___

      Spaceflight will never tolerate carelessness, incapacity, and neglect. Somewhere, somehow, we screwed up. It could have been in design, build, or test. Whatever it was, we should have caught it. We were too gung ho about the schedule and we locked out all of the problems we saw each day in our work. Every element of the program was in trouble and so were we. The simulators were not working, Mission Control was behind in virtually every area, and the flight and test procedures changed daily. Nothing we did had any shelf life. Not one of us stood up and said, “Dammit, stop!” I don’t know what Thompson’s committee will find as the cause, but I know what I find. We are the cause! We were not ready! We did not do our job. We were rolling the dice, hoping that things would come together by launch day, when in our hearts we knew it would take a miracle. We were pushing the schedule and betting that the Cape would slip before we did.

      From this day forward, Flight Control will be known by two words: “Tough” and “Competent”. Tough means we are forever accountable for what we do or what we fail to do. We will never again compromise our responsibilities. Every time we walk into Mission Control we will know what we stand for. Competent means we will never take anything for granted. We will never be found short in our knowledge and in our skills. Mission Control will be perfect. When you leave this meeting today you will go to your office and the first thing you will do there is to write “Tough and Competent” on your blackboards. It will never be erased. Each day when you enter the room these words will remind you of the price paid by Grissom, White, and Chaffee. These words are the price of admission to the ranks of Mission Control.
      ___

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Kranz

      • 0 avatar
        stuki

        Life in the era before cutting the last tether to gold, allowed the Fed 100% completely free reign to complete its mission of transferring absolutely all wealth, hence control over all resources, in the US: From competent people (like Kranz) able to create value. To the gaggle of nothing but rank idiots in FIRE rackets, so straight up stupid they believe mold in their “home”‘s walls, and picking random numbers because some ape on CNBC, or in WSJ, screeches about it, somehow magically create wealth. Those theft recipients, are the ones which make all decisions in America by now. In both nominally “public” and “private”, heck increasingly even in academic, spheres. Ergo; the sort of drivel the article refers to, and virtually nothing but.

      • 0 avatar
        Funky D

        I also love a similar quote from Mr. Kranz’s boss, Chris Craft:

        “To err is human, but to do so more than once is contrary to Flight Operations Directorate policy.”

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    schmitt trigger

    @RangerM

    “Taxman” indeed.
    George Harrison scored a bullseye with this song.

    As true today as it was in the mid 60s.

    • 0 avatar
      swester

      Oh please, I love the Beatles, but that song is a pretty immature complaint from poor Liverpudlian kids about having to pay tax for being highly successful recording artists by their mid-20s (something they didn’t realize when they didn’t have any money). Of course the song helped gain them sympathy among their working class audiences, but its a pretty childish complaint.

      Cry me a river, George. You did just fine.

  • avatar
    C5 is Alive

    Further evidence that rabid Leftist ideology must be utterly eradicated from this dying nation if it’s to have any possible hope to survive.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Thanks. I tell this everyday to someone. I don’t care if “dead or alive”. If we don’t do it, they WILL do it. The only other solution – country peacefully split. Possibly, if today we take all powers away from DC outside of foreign relations and external safety, and delegate all other powers to each state, we can still remain 1 nation. But I don’t see DC letting it lose. In cases like these, they will lose everything.

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        DC is totally out of control, but nothing is going to change that as long as the average person has his head firmly lodged in the anal sphincter of the main stream media. The left is on a headlong campaign to destroy the country — though most of them are convinced that somehow or other they are fixing the country. But, they are just unwitting and disposable tools. Unfortunately it all seems to be gaining momentum. The SJW types have more or less said that we will have massive rioting after the Chauvin trial is over. As far as I can tell they will riot whether it’s guilty or innocent.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          In Australia they are really WOKE about US now, watch
          https://youtu.be/2l18VstAylU

          Hey, worse is better, war is peace, slavery is freedom

          Historically – when the center takes most powers upon itself, what happens? Yes, the regions start peeling away. I totally see seek of sovereignty by some US states in the next 2-3 years. SCOTUS packing could speedup this process.

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    Jeff S

    “One of the reasons you see so many old junkers in Seattle, oh excuse me – classics, is because the laws make it more economical to register an older car. Start with that and quit taxing newer (and cleaner) cars MORE than old junkers that pollute.
    This neurotic fixation on electrical vehicles is just insane. Reward people for buying new cars that run cleaner. Tax vehicles based on their gross vehicle weight. Incentivize public transportation, work from home, stop building bigger and bigger highways. The BEV is not a magic bullet.”

    This is the best comment yet and if the Federal and State Governments really are interested in Global Warming and the Environment then encouraging people to buy newer cleaner vehicles even if they are ICE would be better. Could limit this to certain size vehicles with certain engine displacements. Since I don’t live in California or Washington these laws don’t apply to me.

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    nrd515

    I want to have someone tell me how people who live in an apartment, with outside parking, are supposed to get their electric cars recharged? Who is going to pay to install chargers at every parking spot? What about repairs to it? I don’t see it happening, it’s just too impractical for many people. About the only way I could do it would be if they put chargers in at work and I would charge the car overnight when I am there, but how would that work? How much would I pay per KWH? How would it all work?

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Nobody thinks about anything. There is no plan. Everything done for “how does it look or sound” proposes. Expect shortages, blackouts, unavailability..

    • 0 avatar
      Scoutdude

      There are also large areas in Seattle and some of the older cites where there is only street parking. Not even driveways. Speaking of Seattle they did do a mandate that new construction had to include prep for EV charging but then they also added a law that allowed them to build large buildings w/o any off street parking if they are deemed close enough to a bus or light rail stop. No off street parking means that prep for charging equipment doesn’t apply.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Crap idea. Enough said.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    Ponders the Venn diagrams of Ensure/Prevagen/Depends users and white guys driving V-8s should always be in charge overlap. It does make you think.

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    28-Cars-Later

    “The Pacific state passed a bill on Thursday that would make the registration of gasoline or diesel-powered vehicles from the 2030 model year onwards illegal — leaving residents with the option to purchase a new electric vehicle, buy a secondhand gas burner, or throw up their hands and move elsewhere.”

    How long until the jackboots come for the existing cars?

  • avatar
    Superdessucke

    I’m a longtime liberal but finding myself hoping that the Republicans can come up with someone other than the orange Moperah to run in 2024 and balance this back out again. Unchecked, this could get out of hand in a hurry!

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Don’t mix “liberal” and left Marxist crap. Example
      Classic liberalism – equality
      left liberalism – equity

      I remember, in USSR, it was a good thing if you were son of a pheasant or a factory worker. You could make a long way in the Communist hierarchy. But son of the professor could be too smart and hence too dangerous.

      Stalin – son of shoemaker who worked for another man
      Khrushchev – born to pheasants in the village
      Brezhnev – son of metal worker
      Chernenko – son of poor copper miner, born in a village
      Andropov – son of rail worker and teacher, from a village
      Gorbachev – son of pheasants in the village

      Now compare this to neo-marxists like Pelosi, Harris, Booker. Ah, these are real Marxists. America is f-edup

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Since I don’t live in Washington or California I am not as concerned about outlawing the sale of ICE vehicles. As for Government both the so called liberals and extremist so called conservatives have one thing in common which is gaining power and taking control of others lives. I am not an extremist and I do not care for extremists. Power corrupts and Absolute Power corrupts absolutely.

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