By on July 22, 2020

What if you had to pay a toll to drive anywhere? It’s entirely possible that such a proposal would spark a backlash in the road-hungry United States, but the idea hasn’t won over everyone in eco-conscious Europe, either.

In addition to existing steep fuel taxes, Germany wants to see a blanket road toll go into effect across the continent.

According to a draft document seen by Reuters, the country’s transport minister, Andreas Scheuer, aims to bring such a toll into effect later this year.

Europe is already awash in tolls, though most apply mainly to large commercial vehicles. A proposal to toll Germany’s famed autobahns met with defeat last year, after the European Court of Justice ruled that such a move would unfairly penalize drivers from other countries.

From Reuters:

Within eight years, almost all vehicles on motorways, including lorries, vans and cars, would have to pay tolls, according to the draft for the EU toll directive.

“As regards member states that have already established a charging system, tolls or user charges shall be levied upon all vehicles except coaches and buses,” stated the document which Scheuer wants German ministries to approve on Wednesday.

That would make it Germany’s official proposal for its presidency of the bloc which started on July 1 and runs until the end of the year.

Pushback has apparently already begun, with sources telling Reuters that certain German ministries want to see the proposal shelved. However, most agree that the imposition of distance-based tolling is the best way to provide expensive infrastructure with sustainable funding.

Your author, who likes maps and takes great pains to avoid forking over a cent on the Ohio Turnpike and New York State Thruway (to say nothing of Ontario’s Highway 407 ETR), applauds those unnamed ministries, though even he can see the appeal in going all-toll, all the time.

In the end, political wrangling might win the day, as one of the parties keeping Chancellor Angela Merkel in power is no fan of road tolls.

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52 Comments on “For Whom the EU Tolls: Germany Keen on Gouging Any and All Drivers...”


  • avatar
    1500cc

    “Most agree that the imposition of distance-based tolling is the best way to provide expensive infrastructure with sustainable funding”

    I suspect that much like in North America, all of the current transportation-related taxes and fees greatly exceed the actual cost of providing the transportation infrastructure. Especially with the higher fuel taxes in Germany. The problem of course is the taxes and fees being diverted into general funds.

    • 0 avatar
      hreardon

      Like every government tax, it slowly grows over time and the receipts are diverted to other funds.

      My community has a separate safety forces “levy”, a separate roads “levy”, a separate road lighting “levy”, and a separate sewer maintenance “levy”.

      I was told 15 years ago when I moved in that these were temporary and would never increase.

      I am not a tax nut who believes we should starve all of government, but those that think government is some type of heavenly body of do-goodery are foolish. Government will take until there is nothing left.

      I’m sure those in Germany paying astronomical gasoline taxes were told that it would be for road maintenance, and the social contract was that they would get excellent road infrastructure for the dollars invested. I could be persuaded into that as well, were my roads maintained as well as they are in Germany. Add additional taxes on top of that as proposed? Big bag of nopes.

      • 0 avatar
        ToolGuy

        @hreardon,

        This reminds me of my stupid water bill. I pay to be a water customer, I pay for my water usage, I pay to be a sewer customer, I pay for my sewer usage (more than I paid for the water), I pay a “Stormwater Fee”, I pay a “Solid Waste” fee (recently added to the water bills because no one notices or complains about their water bill), and then I get to pay “Sales Tax”.

        If you look at the financials for the city water department, the charges consistently exceed their costs by a very healthy margin (the water bills are a profit center for the city). [But who in the world would have time to drill down on the city’s financial statements? Lol.]

  • avatar
    schmitt trigger

    I am going to make an imperfect analogy, so please bear with me.

    I would bet that most, if not all of us in this forum, have sometimes had a very stressful week. which you alleviated by inviting a pair of buddies to a bar for a couple of drinks and to wind down.

    Very likely you had a good time, and make this a recurring event, and even perhaps invite additional friends.

    Some people however, will start doing this daily or semi-daily. And when you cannot find anyone to drink with, you start drinking alone.

    The question here is: when does a relaxing activity become an addiction?

    Similar with tolls. There are roads, bridges or tunnels which DO require tolls for proper maintenance. Think of the Golden Gate bridge, for instance.

    But eventually bureaucrats find the tolls very appealing, and start applying them everywhere. They become addicted to the revenue it brings.

    • 0 avatar
      1500cc

      It’s really no different than the sin taxes on alcohol and cigarettes. They know you really want the product, and so won’t have much choice but to pay the ever increasing taxes. Although I suppose toll roads are actually worse, since in many cases it can be extremely difficult or impossible to change your behaviour to avoid the tax.

      • 0 avatar
        DC Bruce

        1500cc– You didn’t finish the analogy. At least with respect to tobacco product taxes in the US, the express purpose is to discourage consumption (smoking). I would hazard a guess that those promoting road “user fees” in the EU or Germany have a similar motive. It’s kind of sad how this has worked out. Lacking indigenous petroleum resources, from at least the immediate post-WW2 period, Europe has taxed motor fuels to discourage consumption. Initially, this was for mercantilist reasons (avoid capital outflow). Given that and the relatively short distances between European cities, the continent would have been a natural for electric car development. However, with the exception of France, Europe’s general aversion to nuclear power has prevented an abundance of inexpensive, dependable electricity . . . that could have been used to power cars, if not trucks.

    • 0 avatar
      hreardon

      Schmitt –

      That is absolutely correct. Easy dollars that don’t involve potential voter backlash is the reason why my community has retained its various temporary “levies” for over 15 years. In my mind these are all part of what I expect government to do: maintain the roads, lights, sewers, police and fire. It was easier for the city to add these “fees” than convince the voters to approve a tax increase.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      @Schmitt: Agreed, and the tolling model itself has changed.

      Good example: US-36 between Denver and Boulder was once the Boulder Turnpike, and it was a toll road. Once the road was paid for, the tolling stopped. Same model was used for a lot of other toll roads.

      Back to US-36: over time, the road became hopelessly outdated and congested, and it needed to be widened. The widening project included tolling lanes. But unlike the original “toll until it’s paid for” model, the “new” US-36 is going to be a toll road forever. And the state doesn’t even collect the tolls – they’re collected by a private entity (and a foreign-owned one to boot).

      I don’t see this as progress.

      • 0 avatar
        Scott

        That sounds a lot like the Ontario 407 highway mentioned in the article, built with tax payer’s money and then the tolling right sold to a foreign company for a fraction of their value to help “balance the budget” short term. There was also no regulation of the tolls, and no returning the road to public ownrrship for a long time ( can’t temper if it was 50 years or more). Government in action.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          @Scott: yes, government in action…but in a twisted way.

          You see, people *want* improvements, but don’t want to pay for them. Here in Denver, about 25 years ago, we had two tax issues on the ballot: one for finally improving the eternal sh!tshow known as “Interstate 25”, and another for a new Broncos stadium. Voters went ballistic about the I-25 tax increase…and got behind the new stadium. You can’t make that up. The state ended up passing a bond issue to fix I-25, so instead of our taxes going up for a few years, we’ll all be paying on the bond until the 200th Century.

          Derp.

          Enter the foreign companies willing to pay for the infrastructure, in return for being able to soak taxpayers and deny them the right to ever do anything about it, in perpetuity. The politicians can say, “see, we fixed the roads and didn’t raise your taxes, just like you asked us to.”

          So, getting back to your point, it truly WAS government in action. But it isn’t the government’s fault – they’re doing what we ask them to.

          The real problem is the unbelievably f**ked-up priorities of voters.

  • avatar
    Duaney

    One of the biggest driver’s of the U.S. economy is our freedom to drive all over with relatively small expense. European economies with high fuel prices and tolls have killed their economies, and now they want to make it worse? I could see here in the USA when the Arab oil embargo’s spiked fuel prices, lots of our tourist industry vanished, never to return.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      Prior to forming the EU, European travelers had to contend with multiple border crossings. Imagine traveling the USA and facing border inspections at every state line.

  • avatar
    ajla

    Let the gilded drive on pristine toll roads while the poors either take the bus or go to the Piggly-Wiggly on dirt roads paved with cow pies.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      You can be pretty certain that the Germans will in no way support the “Finnish” alternative, of setting the toll charged at a percentage of the value of the car….

      Germany needs to leave the EU pronto. Over the past decade, the ECB has seriously wounded the once could-do-no-wrong German industrial machine, By transferring massive wealth, hence influence, from those competent enough to aid in keeping industry world beating; to a bunch of almost anglo-level bankster and FIRE racket leeches too incompetent to live off anything beyond ever more schemes by which the junta robs its productive citizens for the leeches’ benefit.

  • avatar
    jack4x

    If this was intended to entirely replace gas taxes and vehicle registration fees I could be persuaded to get on board.

    Since in reality the idea of simplifying or removing taxes is laughable, I can’t support yet another attack on driving freedoms.

  • avatar
    PeteRR

    “Ride the bus, Proles!”

  • avatar
    Jerome10

    As someone who lived and worked in Germany for 5 years.

    Its already terribly expensive to drive there. Sure there are worse EU countries than germany, but….

    Registration cost is ridiculous.
    Insurance was bad, though not awful.
    Fueling your car was insane.

    A trip you could take for 3-5 hours in the us for a couple cheap tanks of fuel gets so expensive I decided some trips just weren’t worth it in Germany.

    They do have beautiful roads, however.

    But now tolls? Jeez? I mean France and Italy do this. Why can’t Germany? But the worst thing is that it isn’t like the fuel is cheaper in Italy or France. Its just more tax you pay.

    I know from a German perspective this could have some support. Germany is the crossroads of Europe. I knew several Germans that didn’t really appreciate that Dutch or French or Belgians or Danes could fuel up, drive across a huge section of Germany for no fuel tax or toll cost, and then enter Switzerland, Austria, Poland, etc. While the Germans have to pay the Swiss and Austrian vignette, and the Italian and French highway tolls when they visit those countries.

    Still, high taxes do real damage to average joes in Europe. This would just do more.

    It might be fun to be incredibly wealthy in Europe. But for the average wage earner, I don’t think most Americans know how good we have it here. Not just in driving, but the size of home or property you are able to buy, etc.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      It’s a different economic model altogether. “Low cost of living” here in the U.S. is great, as long as you have a job and stay healthy. If you lose your job, or get seriously ill, you’re likely s**t out of luck. That’s not the case in Germany due to all the social safety nets. Same model applies to roads – I gather German highways are immaculately maintained. Ours aren’t.

      The trade off, of course, is that Germans pay tax rates that would send about hundreds of millions of Americans – and I’m going to include all Republicans AND a majority of Democrats in this – into a full torch-and-pitchfork-parade-up-Pennsylvania-Avenue rage.

      They have their model, we have ours.

      • 0 avatar

        How much Social Security benefits average German gets and how many forms you you have to fill to get it? Do immigrants get pension in Germany?

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        They are with respect to condition better roads (And I mean the autobahns here…not the surface roads) but it isn’t like you don’t sit in traffic on them in the cities the same as you do here. Additionally most have speed limits, contrary to what Americans seem to believe.

        Honestly if we could adopt any part of the German road experience, I’d choose their traffic enforcement model. You don’t pass on the right, the speed limits are sane and tend to be enforced in areas where it makes the most sense to enforce them from a safety perspective…and they make the enforcement zones obvious so you are inclined to slow down. Should you speed, you get a notice in the mail. No Cop at your window asking you if you “Mind if they take a look around your vehicle” and enforcement in areas based on revenue, not safety where a traffic stop endangers all parties involved and the other motorists as well.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    I will happily support more taxes or tolls with one condition that is non-negotiable….

    Provide a clear accounting of the tax revenue the municipality in question has received over the last 5 years, accompanied by a clear accounting of how/where the money was spent. This detail must include a list of the top 30 recipients of tax dollars and a detailed account of any budget variances they experienced during the duration of the work they were contracted to perform.

    tl;dr – If a state wants more road tolls, show your math as to why.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I would actually support the idea of tolling to pay for improved roads, as long as the tolls were discontinued once the improvements were done. Once upon a time, that’s how it worked. Today, though, tolls aren’t even done to enhance general revenue – they’re paid to the (mostly foreign-owned) companies that operate the toll roads for the government. Voters basically cede the money over to these companies in perpetuity, and they don’t have any say over things like toll pricing. Nor can they demand that the government stop tolling.

      Basically, we’re giving away our voice to keep our taxes down.

    • 0 avatar

      Yes, but want counts as costs related to driving? I know this will be an extremely unpopular opinion on these forums, and I say this as an ICE vehicle owner myself, but most people simplify the cost of personal driving as down to the road infrastructure – but it isn’t.

      What about the health impact related to the CO2 emissions and pollution from vehicles? Are you also comfortable seeing that as part of the accounting? Because that would show as tax dollars diverted to the health care system. What about environmental impact, both from the manufacturing, operation, and disposal of the vehicle? Governments are forking out money to deal with environmental degradation and damage as well, shouldn’t the impact of this transportation method on the environment be calculated and also included in the price? What about conflicts waged to secure oil supplies, or tax breaks/funding given to secure domestic oil industries? All of this is done to support personal transit, which is (currently) what our economy is powered by.

      The reality is that personal travel carries with it a lot of indirect costs that our fuel taxes have not been paying for for years, because everyone just focusses on the road the car is travelling on, rather than any other impact it has.

      You’ll hate me for this, but it’s not a sustainable model – and at some point we’re going to face a greater need for ‘pay per use’ costs than we do today.

      In Germany’s case, this article looks at one side – the use of cars – but the flipside of it is that Germany also has departments recommending 1,700kms of previously retired train lines be re-activated to allow more people access to rail transit in smaller towns. So, that’s the seesaw – make personal travel more expensive, make comfortable public travel more accessible.

  • avatar
    statikboy

    Institute a tax per kilometer (or mile) driven, to be collected when the vehicle is insured.

  • avatar
    ThomasSchiffer

    Angela Merkel’s political party is the CDU, which is begging for a coalition government with the extremist, ultra eco-radical left-wing Greens at the end of 2021 when the next elections come. Merkel has turned the CDU, a formerly conservative center right party into a now far left political party. The few remaining conservative politicians in the CDU are literally being weeded out. Prior before Merkel’s takeover of the CDU and restructuring into a leftist party, there would never have been any coalition whatsoever with the Greens or the communists (Die Linke). Now, Merkel and her CDU are openly working with these eco-radicals and communist diehards.

    As a former CDU voter, I have no more love left for this party which has betrayed everything they once stood for. The CDU, along with the SPD (socialists), Greens (radical left-wing eco-terrorists) and Die Linke (former SED who ran East Germany), are ruining this once great country with anti-capitalistic behavior, extremely high taxation schemes, mass migration of unskilled and useless people who are leeching off our social systems. The Greens are unfortunately very strong in urban areas and have pledged to ‘get rid of the car in cities’. They want everyone to either take public transportation or use a bicycle or scooter. The Greens wants 5 Euro+ per liter fuel prices, a speed limit of 130 kph on the Autobahn and cars should be limited to a crawling speed of 30 kph (around 18 mph) in all cities.

    Regrettably, it seems my countrymen are so ignorant and will be voting for this party in the upcoming 2021 elections, particularly the rather unintelligent youths and first-time-voters, who are panicking due to this climate change hysteria. The Greens are currently in second place in polls. If they ever should gain power then Germany will be dead. It is that simple. The Greens were once in power during the chancellorship of Gerhard Schröder. It was them who forced the Ökosteuer onto us which increased the fuel prices to a horrific level In 1999. Green politics = expensive, useless, unsocial and unrealistic.

    The money we pay for fuel is supposed to go into maintaining and improving our infrastructure, but it is being misused for other applications. Our infrastructure is falling apart, the roads have pot holes and cracks, several bridges can’t handle the weight of truck freight and so forth. The myth of the punctual German train system is just that: a myth. Trains are slow, late and in the summers their air conditioning systems fail – if you are lucky to even sit inside a compartment that has this luxury feature. In fact our railways are so poor these days that the high-speed inter-city trains, the ICE, are often limited to 120-140 kph (and these trains can theoretically reach and travel at 320 kph). Once I took an ICE to Berlin (from Munich where I live). The journey took almost 8 hours and my ICE was limited to 90 and 120 kph with occasional bursts into the 140/150 kph zone. That is slow.

    Tough times are coming. Thank you, Merkel…

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      @ThomasSchiffer,

      The situation here in the US is about the same. Oh, of course, the superficial details are different. But, the fundamental nature of the thing is the same.

      • 0 avatar
        ThomasSchiffer

        @OldWRX,

        I am saddened to hear that the situation is similar in the US. It really seems that the left wing globalists are setting the world on fire in almost very Western nation. Very alarming.

        Also, I am under the impression that the United States is more of a car nation than Germany. We may [still] have the Autobahns, but I cannot picture Americans rebelling against the automobile demanding it be replaced by buses, trains, trams, bicycles and scooters. This is what is literally happening in Germany, with eco-radicals and certain jealous and green-minded citizens speaking up against the car. And despite these crazy people being in the clear minority, they are actually very loud and vocal and have the support of the German press, which is basically 90% Green and SPD-owned (leftist).

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          @ThomasSchiffer,

          The same people that are behind the visible creeps that are mucking up Germany are behind the Eco’s and “anti” racist people here. Locally in the US it is the “democratic” party that is supporting all the ecoterrorism and racial terrorism. If the US elects a democratic president this November, watch out.

          The people in this country are in a weird state of denial. There have been riots all over the country (something like 400 cities), shutdown business, ordered to wear mask, etc. But, somehow they manage to convince themselves that it is not that big a deal — that in a few months everything will go back to normal.

          The similarity of what’s been happening this year in country after country across the world is far too great for it to be each country acting on its own. Of course, in most of Europe, the countries have been taken over by the often dictatorial EU.

          People have been warning about this Globalism for a long time. I’ve followed what they were saying, but I was always sceptical because I couldn’t see it. But, this year…

          This article describes the power struggle in the US:

          https://www.globalresearch.ca/vote-democrat-watch-america-burn/5719045

          I still have a very hard time believing it even though it’s right in my face.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “The situation here in the US is about the same.”

        Yes, millions of people in Germany don’t have health care. SARS-CoV-2 runs rampant. Minorities are routinely killed by the police and conservatives have almost no say in politics. The US population is taxed to death and the Greens squander it all on environmental protections.

        LOL

        Germany and the USA are oh so very alike!

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      “The Greens are unfortunately very strong in urban areas and have pledged to ‘get rid of the car in cities’. They want everyone to either take public transportation or use a bicycle or scooter.”

      As long as it is truly “everyone”, it’s not a bad thing in dense city cores. Of course, as in all totalitarian dumps, it never “everyone.” Trump and Merkel won’t cycle around Berlin on his visits. And Biden won’t be given the opportunity to get lost and crash when that time comes. And the only bus any of them will be on, won’t be a public one, but a Prevost (or whatever make rockstar tourbuses are in Germany). And neither being a stronher cyclist than the German colleagues of Ponch and John, keep you safe from them….

      So, as always, the problem is that all that sort of “policies” is, is more excuses for why All Men Created Equal, only applies to mere equals. Not to more equals. And that is the problem.

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        All humans are equal, but some humans are more equal than others. To paraphrase the old saying.

      • 0 avatar
        ThomasSchiffer

        @Stuki,

        The idea that city traffic should be reduced is something that I welcome. However, I do not like being told by those holier-than-thou (and hypocritical) Greens which transportation method I can and cannot take. There are many situations where I need to take my car because I have different meetings and appointments which I can only fulfill via car, and not via slow and unreliable public transportation. I also find it more comfortable when I am driving from city to city to use my car as it provides me with mobility and comfort instead of having to figure out and rely on local public transport.

        You should know that The German Greens are hypocrites and liars. Among all the German political parties, their politicians fly the most and exclusively rely on the chauffeur service. There is nothing more infuriating than watching Anton Hofreiter or Claudia Roth (google them at your own visual peril…) ranting against the car and airplane on talk shows demanding that we give them up while they themselves are consistently spotted and photographed in the first class lounge of Lufthansa or getting in and out of Audi A8L or Mercedes S-Klasse limousines.

        In Berlin, the city is cursed with a Green ministry of transport. The boss, Regine Günther, wants Berlin car-free by 2025-2030. And this same person arrives at a cyclist summit by car, and just a few days ago to a train summit by car again. I cannot take these hypocrites seriously if they do not practice what they preach. You are correct in that these people see everyone as equal – but they are more equal.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “Greens are hypocrites and liars.’

          How does that differ from any other politician?

        • 0 avatar
          stuki

          “The boss, Regine Günther, wants Berlin car-free by 2025-2030. And this same person arrives at a cyclist summit by car, and just a few days ago to a train summit by car again. I cannot take these hypocrites seriously if they do not practice what they preach. You are correct in that these people see everyone as equal – but they are more equal.”

          Exactly. As long as the first to be denied their right to drive, are the cops, ambulances and politicians, it’s really not that big a deal in dense cities. Berlin really isn’t that dense, though, but I suppose it’s flat enough to make cycling quite viable that those few who physically cannot do so, can be offered free cyclecab passes by those greens.

    • 0 avatar

      Thomas, you should not worry, you are not alone. What you described is also happening in USA formerly known as the land of free. With one difference that Germany still guarantees the freedom of speech while in USA people are afraid to speak out. That’s the consequence of development of technologies based on Internet. Internet – the technology that considered so promising in 1990s today makes George Orwell’s “1984” the reality. Big Brother (or Sister) a.k.a Google and everything similar and related like Amazon, White Pages, etc knows everything about you. Your age, your address, list of you relatives and where they live, your phone numbers, your habits, your thought and political affiliations, did you make donations to Trump campaign or not, did you vote for Trump or not, what you think, all comments you ever made on sites like this one, all lies about you, all rumors about you to be used to harass you into submission or to destroy your life and career. It is brand new world, get used to it. And remember that Big Brother is watching you right now on TTAC.

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        @Inside Looking Out,

        “Big Brother is watching you right now on TTAC.”

        So true. Guaranteed. And using your tax dollars to do it.

      • 0 avatar
        ThomasSchiffer

        @InsideLookingOut,

        Sadly Angela Merkel and her STASI, pardon me, her ANTIFA friends, have created an atmosphere of fear in Germany. People are afraid to speak their minds. In fact in a recent survey almost 70% of Germans said they were afraid to speak their mind for fear of social and political retribution.

        Merkel, who by the way was in charge of propaganda in East Germany under the name ‘IM Erika’, has created an ingenious subtle social terror-based system in which anyone who criticizes her politics is labeled either a ‘Nazi’, a ‘far right loony’ and so forth. If you criticize her insane ‘migration’ policy, her allies in the press will label you a ‘racist’ for example. If you have the cojones to speak up against rampant migrant crimes in Germany, you will be labeled a ‘racist’ or an ‘Islamophobe’. Her friends from the Greens are instigating similar tactics. Those who criticize this complete and blind devotion to attempt to ‘stop climate change’ or question the ‘science’ behind it are labeled ‘climate change deniers’ – which is supposed to be in the same category as ‘Holocaust denier’, a powerful insult. The idea is to scare people into submission and not openly question these disastrous politics for fear of social retribution.

        You can speak your mind in Germany – but only once. And if it’s the wrong opinion then prepare to deal with the social and political consequences. That is unfortunately the reality in Germany as of now. It is very scary.

      • 0 avatar
        Sceptic

        @Inside Looking Out You are absolutely correct. All of what you mentioned is done in the name of safety. But there is still hope. Come November the silent majority will speak up. But still no matter the outcome of the elections there is going to be trouble in the USA. Neither side will yield. God save you from living in interesting times.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Funny thing about the “silent majority”, both sides are claiming to have it

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @Lie2me,

            There is no more democratic party in this country. Oh, there may be some democratic incumbents on the local level. But, the national democratic party has completely sold out to globalists/corporations. They no longer hold any of the values that are supposed to be what the democratic party stands for. Things like take care of the little guy and not let the evil right wing oppress us with their business oriented sh*t.

            I’ve always supported the democrats, frankly, a bit blindly and stupidly. It makes me very uncomfortable throwing my support to the republicans and especially Trump. But, Trump is a patriot. By that I mean he supports a strong and independent USA. The republicans support freedom of speech, American industry and jobs.

            The (usurped) democratic party hates the USA, freedom of speech, etc. If they get there way in November this country as we know it will cease to exist.

            I never, ever thought I would tell anybody to vote republican, but I am. The info is out there, but not in the corporate owned MSM. If you don’t believe the MSM is corporate owned, check it out — it’s no secret.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “Trump is a patriot” … For the Confederacy

            Yeah, tells me everything I need to know about you

            Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson send their love.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Trump is a patriot”

            Ha ha ha.

            I shouldn’t laugh since some people actually believe it.

            He’s an idiot savant at running a con.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “And remember that Big Brother is watching you right now on TTAC.”

        TTAC is a privately owned entity that allows public access based upon guidelines set by the owners and/or their representatives.

    • 0 avatar

      Oh, and Merkel is natural born communist. Just like Trabant, may be that’s her ideal car.

  • avatar
    Russell G

    Ah, yes. This reminds me of a song by George Harrison. Taxman.

    if you drive a car, I’ll tax the street
    If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat
    If you get too cold, I’ll tax the heat
    If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet

    Very apropos!

  • avatar

    Lie2You, Have you been in Germany lately? American news channels completely ignore Europe. If you live in USA you may think that the rest of the world does not exist. There is a powerful right wing opposition in Germany and especially in the East Germany where people had enough of communist oppression and crime.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      “American news channels completely ignore Europe”

      Not entirely true but how many Americans actually care to know what goes on globally?

      Last points:
      – Some of us don’t live in the USA.

      – Some of us use the internet to see what’s out there.

  • avatar
    schmitt trigger

    Related:

    If you buy a burger, I’ll tax the meat.
    If you get some bread, I’ll tax the wheat.
    If you like rap music, I’ll tax the beat.
    If you troll somebody, I’ll tax the tweet.

    If you buy a drink, I’ll tax the mug
    If you get a dog, I’ll tax your pug
    If you drink some milk, I’ll tax the jug.
    If you love your mom, I’ll tax your hug

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