By on May 12, 2020

tesla factory fremont, Image: Tesla Motors

Furious over a decision by county officials to keep all non-essential businesses offline until the end of the month, Tesla CEO Elon Musk announced late Monday that his Fremont, California assembly plant is opening up anyway.

The move comes two days after the automaker filed a lawsuit against Alameda County. In it, Tesla called the county’s order unconstitutional and in violation of California Governor Gavin Newson’s statewide return-to-work mandate. Should county officials call in the cops, Musk wishes to be the only one in cuffs.

Call him the Rosa Parks of well-compensated CEOs forcing workers back to the assembly line in the midst of a health crisis. Call him a hero for the planet and for personal liberty. Whatever the appropriate framing, it’s vintage Musk.

Online backlash, as you’d imagine, was predictably scathing.

In his rationale for the lawsuit, Musk pointed out that counties on either side of Fremont were relaxing stay-at-home orders and allowing businesses to reopen. Over the weekend, a county supervisor noted in an interview with The New York Times that, while working with the plant to approve it for reopening, Musk threatened him with a lawsuit after being told his preferred May 11th start date was unfeasible. May 18th, however, seemed a likely possibility.

Musk then announced on Twitter that he was seeking to move his company’s headquarters and all future product out of the state.

Ford, General Motors, and Fiat Chrysler are poised to resume production on May 18th. Some automakers operating in the U.S., like Honda, Toyota, BMW, Hyundai, and Kia, have already returned to work, albeit in a limited fashion.

In a statement released Monday, the Alameda County Public Health Department said, “We continue to move closer to an agreed upon safety plan for reopening beyond Minimum Basic Operations by working through steps that Tesla has agreed to adopt.

“These steps include improving employee health screening procedures and engaging front-line staff on their concerns and feedback regarding safety protocols.”

Gov. Newsom gave Musk a shout-out on Monday, stating that he had great “reverence” for Tesla and its products and adding that any issue with the county would be worked through in the coming days. This earned him a “thank you” from Musk.

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115 Comments on “Try and Stop Me: In Defiance of County Orders, Tesla Turns on the Lights...”


  • avatar
    Lie2me

    If there’s a break-out of infections of returning workers is Elon prepared to handle the multitude of lawsuits that would follow?

    • 0 avatar
      CaddyDaddy

      If there is no break out of infections, …. what say you Mr . Cheerleader for .gov. ? It’s the flu, get over it.

      • 0 avatar
        Dartdude

        I agree 100% with you. At first we didn’t have any information on this virus. Now we do and I would not rely on the CDC numbers. It is time to go back to work. Your chances of dying from covid-19 are less than driving to work!

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Why would you not rely on the CDC? I’d be interested in your reasoning.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “Why would you not rely on the CDC?”

            Stupid is as stupid does, that’s why

            The 2020 rally cry to replace “MAGA” is, “Dumb and Proud of it”

            -ByeDon/2020 :)

          • 0 avatar
            chuckrs

            The CDC had One. Job. They screwed it up and lost two to three weeks in January when their tests for the Wuhan Disease proved unreliable. What would we all give to have those weeks back.

            Within the past couple of months, NewYorker magazine, among others, had an article on the failure and also another, a backgrounder on epidemiology. A 2 minute search will turn them up.

          • 0 avatar
            TrailerTrash

            freedmike
            if you really have to ask why we cannot trust the cdc, then it is you that have not looked and read the data.
            in fact, it was the cdc that initially played it down.
            so…there’s THAT.
            then there is the 400 BILLION given by the american people to the cdc and other health agencies in the past decade to prepare for this very same emergency.

            so, freed…you tell this class what the cdc did with that money and why we are where we are today.
            come on…give us the defense for the cdc.

      • 0 avatar
        ttacgreg

        “It’s the flu”. Careful don’r embarrass yourself. Read up on microbiology just a little bit. I’ll help. A flu virus is not a corona virus. They are very, very different.

        • 0 avatar
          CaddyDaddy

          Lie2me and TTAcGreg both got laid off from the Madison, WI Natural Food CO-OP. Which is ok ‘cuase they make more $ with unemployment than what they were worth. So they spend all day maki’in a little extra coin commenting towing the party line. Orange Man Bad!

          In the end this Kung Flu will turn out to be on the ash heap of lies like The Gulf of Tonkin’, The Pentagon Papers, and Weapons of Mass Distraction etc. I say Go Get them Elon, Put them; boys to work.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Ok, I got it now, your gibberish makes absolutely no sense, you’re NUTS

            You have a wonderful day :)

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          Yes, if you want to say it’s just something you’ll have to say it’s just a head cold — colds are corona viruses.

          I’m not sure whether that makes things better or worse. Does it make ol’ COVID better, or does it make the common cold worse?

          Why would one not trust the CDC? Why would one trust any single source at this or any other time. If you did a paper in college based solely on one source you’d get an “F”, and deservedly so.

        • 0 avatar
          TrailerTrash

          ttacgreg

          so glad that you have such a firm grasp of the obvious.
          now, try to give us more we can use.

          ok…it’s not tech the flu/…but that really isn’t the implication here, is it????

          Over the centuries, in virtually all societies, people known to be infected by various deadly diseases were confined and isolated in order to mitigate the spread and protect the rest of society. Never have we confined the entire population ostensibly for the same objective.

        • 0 avatar
          RHD

          ttacgreg: Underestimating and minimizing the novel coronavires, and calling it “the flu” landed Brazil in the colossal mess that they are in.
          No “flu” kills hundreds of thousands of people in just a few weeks.
          Driving to work doesn’t do that, either.
          Thank you for your common-sense comment.
          The gullible illiterati just might be the downfall of all of us!

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        “Mr . Cheerleader for .gov”

        So, I take it you’re against our government, well aren’t you special. You are welcome to leave Mr. ANTI-.gov

      • 0 avatar
        Whatnext

        LOL, your post is unintentionally ironic, considering Tesla wouldn’t exist without “.gov” mandating a certain mix of EV vehicles be sold and “.gov” allowing the selling of EV credits.

      • 0 avatar
        bryanska

        “If there is no break out of infections, …. what say you Mr . Cheerleader for .gov. ? It’s the flu, get over it.”

        I’ve been watching COVID deniers get it wrong on every point since early January. The odds are highly stacked against that position Mr Caddy Daddy. I was taking bets in January and February, and was embarassed at the $30 Amazon gift cards I was collecting I stopped. But I might start doing it again. There’s so much money to be made from rigid, inflexible, and idealistic people.

    • 0 avatar
      Superdessucke

      This’ll be interesting. Very sadly, this situation has become hopelessly politicized. Trump has taken the position we need to reopen the economy. So, very naturally in this climate, Democrats are taking the position we need to stay closed, lest everyone die a slow, tortuous COVID-19 death.

      Heels are now dug in, for better or worse. Neither side is going to blink, as they want to jump on the other side when the other side is proven wrong and use that as a weapon for 2020 election.

      I’m not taking sides on this one. I’m somewhere in the middle, like I suspect a lot of regular people are. But I think that’s flying out the window with respect to political decisions now. So Musk’s stance will be an interesting one in that battle.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Except…the economy is not “closed.” That’s another piece of politicized nonsense. What we’re dealing with is an economic downturn, not a closure. I’m sure Trump would rather use inflammatory language (and the media chimes right in).

        • 0 avatar
          Superdessucke

          Looking at the economic and unemployment numbers, and seeing what’s going on around me (IL), I consider the economy to be essentially closed. I meant no political statement by that. If you want to say downturn, that’s fine with me. Six of one is half dozen of the other.

          But there are differences between the parties as to how to deal with this closure/downturn. The Rs want to throw everything in their states open and say “haha, we told you so, those scared nannies! They wiped out your savings, vote for us!” The Ds want to keep their states cl…downturned and say “haha, see all the people who died, they put humans below profit, vote for us!” That’s really what this is now about.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            I’ll side with the group that doesn’t want to kill me, thank you

            You know a little compassion and leadership would have gone a long way to ease American’s fears, but no empathy or sympathy for those who have caught and/or have died from this. There’s no excuse for the total lack of humanity. Above all else that’s what people are going to remember

          • 0 avatar
            Superdessucke

            Lie2Me – I am curious on this. Would you like to see a substantial number of people die due to premature reopenings in some states if it means proving the President wrong and allowing Joe Biden to win in November? Or would you like the fears turn out to be overblown and there be very few fatalities, even if that would mean Trump securing another term?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Your question makes no sense. What kind of choices are those?

            Congrats, I hear you stop beating your wife, but now if we could only get you to leave your kids alone

          • 0 avatar
            Superdessucke

            It’s a pretty simple question. Can you answer please?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Answer mine first, Boris

          • 0 avatar
            Superdessucke

            I of course knew your answer before I asked this easy question, but wanted to see how you’d respond, which was boringly predictable.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            Current major economic issues are 1) restrictions on consumer spending, 2) how many companies/jobs will be permanently lost.

            Consumer spending will rebound. Those who are working have seen much of their consumption reduced, so they will return to spending with a vengeance.

            Unfortunately many small businesses will not survive. However in sectors such as restaurants, hair salons, home repairs, etc they will be largely replaced by new businesses.

            Some jobs will be permanently lost as companies determine that they can continue with less staff. Expect more telecommuting, etc.

            I have read rumours that one reason for state/federal government to promote early re-opening is to do so before many of those out of work qualify for state/federal benefits. As I am not in the USA I cannot confirm/deny the validity of this and would appreciate more informed comments regarding it.

            In Canada this is not as much a concern as every Canadian who is out of work due to the pandemic is eligible for $2k monthly. Enough for most to meet their required cost of living.

        • 0 avatar
          chuckrs

          33,000,000 laid off workers would disagree with the assertion that the economy is not closed. It is forecast that many of those jobs are not coming back

          My local newspaper had more tax sale announcements than I have ever seen and I am more than old enough to remember 2008 and 2000-2002.

          If you do soft hands work, it may take a while for the extended shutdown to affect you.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Yeah, but is this the first time that, to paraphrase Springsteen, we’ve heard “these jobs are going, boys, and they ain’t coming back”?

            The economy has been damaged, but it is NOT shut down. Not by any stretch of the imagination. That doesn’t make it any easier for the people who’ve been affected, but facts are facts – if the economy was “shut down,” we’d be doing Weimar Germany stuff like bringing wheelbarrows of worthless cash to the store.

            My biggest question is what to do to help the folks who are going to end up permanently displaced.

          • 0 avatar
            psychoboy

            I work for a good-sized family owned dealership in flyover country. Over the last several years we expanded our customer touch-point employment, more BDC people, more service and lot porters, more salesmen. Then, over the course of two weeks, we cut damned near every one of them loose, about a quarter of our total workforce. Two of the other locally-owned dealership groups in my area cut 33% and 50% of their workforce.

            There is almost no chance those jobs are coming back any time soon. Our current workforce, about the size of the one we had five years ago, will continue doing whatever we need done, just as they did five years ago. As spooked as upper management seems right now, they’ll keep it that way for a while.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            That’s a damn shame, psychoboy. Truly.

          • 0 avatar
            TrailerTrash

            Good Ol A Dailey again
            this thinking astounds me.
            I cannot imagine where this comes from and what twisted logic is and simple reason used.
            In TWO damned sentences you tell us Consumer spending will rebound. Those who are working have seen much of their consumption reduced, so they will return to spending with a vengeance AND Some jobs will be permanently lost as companies determine that they can continue with less staff!
            But somehow, with only left magical math, spending increases RAPIDLY.
            That businesses closed will come back…and supposedly in time to prevent the economy from crashing into a depression or recession.
            How?
            I mean how can you so easily just dismiss the horror of what has just happened!!!?

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            That is the tip of the iceberg, psycho, tragically. And we did it to ourselves. It was economic suicide. We needed to focus our attention on the elderly population and let healthy people work. The general economic lockdown has been a disaster, and the effects have been devastating.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            @TrailerTrash: you continue to spew verbiage, despite not having facts or statistics on your side. You sound like the mayor in Jaws who didn’t want to close the beach because it would harm the economy. The record of the American federal government in addressing the pandemic has been abysmal. As demonstrated by the per capita death and testing rates.But then the POTUS lied about this statistics at a recent press conference. A number of states are still experiencing increases in infection and death rates. And infection rates in meat/poultry plants who are open is becoming increasingly alarming.

            Countries who have invoked strict lock downs have far better records.

            The lack of comprehension of science among the American public is best demonstrated by this quote regarding a meat packing plant worker.

            “The county seat, Worthington, is home to a JBS pork processing plant that employs hundreds of immigrants.“One guy said to me, ‘I risked my life coming here. I never thought something that I can’t see could take me out,’” said the Rev. Jim Callahan of St. Mary’s Catholic Church in Worthington.”

          • 0 avatar
            JimC2

            ““One guy said to me, ‘I risked my life coming here. I never thought something that I can’t see could take me out,’””

            Arthur, I might have misunderstood what you intended to communicate by using this quote and I don’t have the entire context of the original story, but to me it seems presumptuous to interpret it to mean that the person who said it lacks comprehension of viruses and science. I think perhaps the person might have been expressing what we all have been thinking, that before all this we thought of dangerous, communicable, widespread diseases were things that happened in history books, in the third world, and in science fiction.

            I general I agree that Americans at large have a painfully childish understanding of science and technology—sometimes all too easily convinced of the message with the flashiest presentation instead of the one with the most academic rigor—but I would be very careful to tar everyone with the same brush or to over exaggerate this sentiment-

            that goes for the common man’s understanding of virus related science *and* the soft science of economics.

          • 0 avatar
            RHD

            People need to save a bit, and live beneath their means, in order to have two or three month’s expenses for situations just like this one. (Imagine how much you’d have if your wife hadn’t spend seven bucks a day at Starbucks for the last five years.)
            Ideally, a full year, but that’s not easy to do.
            People who get laid off (and I’ve been there more than once) get unemployment benefits – they don’t immediately starve to death.
            We will be fine, the world is not going to end. We’re lucky to live in wealthy countries, and not in places where you have to work all day just to make enough to eat, where there are no safety nets at all.

    • 0 avatar
      redapple

      ELON HAS GONE MAD.

      His wife is SUPER FREEKIE DEEKIE.

    • 0 avatar
      TrailerTrash

      Lie2Me

      ya, so i guess any deaths caused in the past by illnesses and the government did not shut down are now the open door to having government held responsible, right?
      I mean, what in hell exactly are you suggesting?
      What IS YOUR endgame?
      What are you telling the class?
      you are in control now, so you tell us when we can go outside and hug each other?
      you are now THE big cheese here.
      when should schools open? what are the numbers we are looking for before Lie2Me says we can be free?????
      where does a non-essential person go when they have lost their jobs?
      where does a person who financed his home to open restaurant go now that both are lost?

      PLEASE tell us exactly when we should open, what death rate is OK for you and then we will stop ignoring your idiotic reasoning.

      • 0 avatar
        thelaine

        Preach TT, you are absolutely right.

      • 0 avatar
        Superdessucke

        @Trailer – Yes, it’s about being the Big Cheese. The endgame you ask about, given the politics of that poster, is for the virus to kill as many people as possible and for the economy to be damaged as much as possible so the Democrats can take the White House and, hopefully, the Senate. Trump and the Republicans are thus going all-in on reopening. So it’s two cars flying at each other in a game of chicken like in a bad 1950s B-movie.

        That’s what this is about. Freedom isn’t factoring into the analysis. For the right, they want things open to show how unfounded the leftist fears are. For the left, it’s about centrist voters turning on Trump and their Republican Senators and voting them out. If the latter happens, you might get some of your freedom back, when your rulers see fit to allow it, or they might further punish you to deter you from ever voting against the status quo again.

        It’s very early but as of right now, the scourge of death the Democrats are banking on isn’t happening, and voters haven’t turned on Rs yet, as Trump’s approval numbers remain pretty stable (and are rising in some polls) and Rs won special House elections yesterday in CA and WI. Since you won’t find that latter news in the mainstream press, I’ll post the link (British press) below also.

        But don’t get smug Republicans, this could all change.

        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/desantis-and-kemp-see-low-death-rates-in-states-despite-media-hate

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/13/wisconsin-california-republicans-congressional-special-election

  • avatar
    bkojote

    I’m a huge fan of Tesla but the board needs to can Musk, who isn’t good for much beyond dropping acid, logging on to twitter and collecting a big fat paycheck.

    Those worried about the loss of leadership vision should check out the engineering behind every other venture he has – dude has more in common with a VCR clock than Steve Jobs.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      What set Jobs apart wasn’t that he was visionary (which he was) – it was his unbelievable obsession with product details. Example: on the original Macintosh, he insisted on the innards of the machine being perfectly arranged and visually pleasing. Would the consumer ever see the inside of the machine? No, and in fact, that consumer would need a special tool just to be able to open up his Mac.

      Jobs was absolutely fanatical about stuff like this. And the product reflected that. There’s a reason why so many people “connect” with Apple’s stuff.

      Is Musk that detail-oriented? I’m going to take a wild stab here and answer “no.” But then again, if he was, how much would a Tesla cost? The reality of the car business is the only way to stay in business is to cost-cut, or sell your product for $300,000, like Rolls-Royce does.

  • avatar
    johnnyz

    F Newsom and F these stupid a$$ed lockdown orders.

    With well below a 1% mortality rate, this BS lockdown needs to end.

    Elon is “giving up material possessions” to live a simpler life. NOT. He is planning on escaping California. I cannot blame him with the poverty, homelessness, insane taxes and a double standard for illegals vs hard-working Americans.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      It’s actually a 6% mortality rate per the CDC. But as we all know, the CDC is part of a deep-state conspiracy to sap and impurify all of Trump’s precious bodily fluids, so maybe that’s fake news. Right?

      • 0 avatar
        imnormlurnot

        No one knows the mortality rate. No one knows how many cases there have been. From news reports I’ve read, many have had the virus with little to no symptoms; too few have been tested to determine the mortality rate with any certainty.
        I am certain I don’t want it, regardless of mortality rate.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          The CDC says there is a 6% mortality rate. Let’s assume they’re off by 75%. That means the mortality rate is 1.5%. Meanwhile, the regular annual flu has a .09% mortality rate.

          • 0 avatar
            don1967

            Let’s stop pretending that comparisons between Covid-19 and influenza are meant to be taken literally. This sort of intellectual dishonesty belongs on CNN, along with bleach-drinking and “fine people” hoaxes.

            The opinion which people are clearly trying to express is that Covid-19 is more like the flu than a zombie apocalypse, and should therefore be managed through public health advisories, isolation of the elderly, etc. as opposed to martial law.

            You don’t have to agree with the argument. But you do have to address it, as opposed to some strawman alternative, if you want a seat at the grownups’ table.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Don, you’re bagging on CNN for “fake news,” then you’re talking about martial law being a reality?

            Physician, heal thyself.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Don’t expect them to address your arguments, Don. They are children.

            As for the critics — who always seem to be employed — attacking those who want to get back to work and, more importantly, start earning a paycheck…

            “These amateurs belong to what’s known as ‘the kiddie table,’ he wrote. “If a person cannot comprehend that every decision carries a risk, not simply a benefit – then they must not be allowed at the adult’s table.”

        • 0 avatar
          ttacgreg

          The mortality rate is whatever Trumpty Dumpty says it is. It is a bit fun watching the the nutball president create his own fantasy reality and trying to suck the nation and world into it. And it is even more fun because his reality yesterday has no bearing on today’s, and rest assured tomorrow’s either
          Our civics and politics have fallen then through the looking glass.

      • 0 avatar
        TrailerTrash

        Hey,,freed
        you are not only wrong but horribly wrong.
        and don’t be tossing around CDC crap.
        they’ve been entirely wrong from the beginning.
        entirely!
        and the death numbers are wrong.
        can’t highlight this any more. the death data is wrong.
        and all decisions based upon it were wrong.
        using that idiotic “fake news” remark only shows us your inability to use data.

        • 0 avatar
          ttacgreg

          Seriously, are you prepared to say Trump has been 100% right all along?

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Ah, so “trailer trash” knows better…than the CDC.

          Got it.

          • 0 avatar
            Superdessucke

            The CDC’s position has shifted a bit but I’ll tell you, Fauci really came out today to emerge as the figurehead of the downturned position of the Democrats. We’ll put aside the question of why for now but he did. The words “needless suffering and death” rang strong on both sides I’m quite certain.

            Quite a bold choice of words by the diminutive doctor. I was a little surprised by that, though not by his overall position. I’m quite sure Trump isn’t pleased, and that the Democrats are beyond thrilled.

            We’ll see if he’s right! If he is, he’ll be a hero of the Democrats and considered a traitor by the Republicans. Perhaps a high paying gig as CNN’s “Health Advisor?” Could be in the cards. If he’s wrong though, he’ll be the goat of the Democrats and mocked by Republicans.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Another loony-tune. Everything is us against the libs, that’s all you see, isn’t it?

            What has FOX News done to you mental midgets?

          • 0 avatar
            Superdessucke

            Nah, Lie2Me, it’s not loony toons. It’s very obvious that this is now firmly a partisan battle. You’re pretty far to the left, that’s very obvious. I’m in the middle to slightly right, but not rabidly so. I have views that fall on either side, like most. Anyone in the middle can see what this has become.

            You wouldn’t answer my question above. But I knew that before I even asked it though :-) Hope you can sleep well at night.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            look, Jack, either you still beat your wife or you just beat your kids, which is it? It’s a simple question, but your refusal to get help tells us all we need to know about you

            You have a good day and please don’t harm the little puppies :)

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Fauci is a doctor. His job is to fix sick people. He leaves the larger questions of how to pay to fix sick people to others…just as your doctor would.

          • 0 avatar
            TrailerTrash

            EVERYBODY KNOWS BETTER THAN THE CDC!
            that is the point.
            but in this case, seems that is all you have…extreme statements that leave us nothin.
            all or nuthin, right?

            yet, still, you cannot give us an endgame.
            you and your cohorts cannot give us any numbers to plan for.
            what death rate allows us to return to work?
            what virus status allows us to have kids back in school?
            if a vaccine never comes, since viruses change constantly, do we all stay in out current state?

            please…come on…give the class the definitive numbers so we all know your rules.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Hey, Trailer Trash, you are :)

        • 0 avatar
          RHD

          Better get that Shift key fixed.

      • 0 avatar
        PrincipalDan

        @FreedMike ;-)

        Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : Uh, Jack, Jack, listen… tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first… become… well, develop this theory?

        General Jack D. Ripper : [somewhat embarassed] Well, I, uh… I… I… first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

        Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : Hmm.

        General Jack D. Ripper : Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue… a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I… I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

        Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : Hmm.

        General Jack D. Ripper : I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh… women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh… I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

        Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake : No.

        General Jack D. Ripper : But I… I do deny them my essence

    • 0 avatar
      Superdessucke

      :-) And here we are. Your banter about sums it up. The good news is one of you will perhaps be proven right by November. It’s really too bad that this is what it has become about though.

      • 0 avatar
        jkross22

        @Super,

        Nobody is willing to admit they’re wrong. Ever. It’s astoundingly stupid.

        The CDC was wrong when they said people shouldn’t wear masks and that it won’t help, as did the surgeon general.
        WHO was wrong A LOT, but especially when they said in January that there are no human transmissions of COVID based on a Chinese source.

        When did admitting mistakes and learning from them become a weakness?

        Reminds me of Trump’s idiotic 2015 comments: “Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?”

        • 0 avatar
          Superdessucke

          Yup, that’s what’s happened, and even more so in the black line partisan fight we’ve now turned this into. I believe that Democrats, deep down, would like to damage the economy as much as possible and, now, see many people die to be able to defeat the President and, even better, retake the Senate.

          Conversely, the President and Republicans are taking risks to create a distinctive counter position that’ll benefit them politically if they are right. Vulnerable people are being put at risk in this battle.

          I’m not going to get into who I think is more to blame because that ship has sailed. Unfortunately, this is what our political system has come to. It was going in that direction for awhile. Trump just accelerated it.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            If that’s really what you believe, super, then I feel sorry for you.

          • 0 avatar
            Superdessucke

            @ FreedMike – It’s not what I believe.

            It’s what I know.

            I don’t know how old you are or what kind of background/privilege you have. But I am a former liberal/leftist and I know exactly how they think and what they’re all about. If you don’t believe what I said, then I think you need to read up more. The leftists are NOT the good guys as you may have been trained to think in school. I’m not saying Republicans are any great shakes either, but there’s a very good reason I do not call myself a liberal anymore. I’ve moved towards a state of balance.

          • 0 avatar
            bryanska

            ” I believe that Democrats, deep down, would like to damage the economy as much as possible”

            There’s no bigger claim you could EVER make than an entire political party wanting to “damage the economy as much as possible”

            You have a TON of heavy lifting to do, proof-wise, before you can make that claim. Please leave a link to whatever 5,000-word defense you’ve written on that claim and yeah, I’m gonna have to see the data tables, and there better be some think-tank level analysis in there.

            Hyperbole might get attention, but I’m calling your bluff on this. Better get writing.

          • 0 avatar
            Superdessucke

            @bryanski – I’ve read enough, been involved enough, and wrote enough already to know a basic truth. I don’t need to write anything for you.

            If you are a Democrat, here’s the most convincing proof I can give to you of all. Ask yourself, do you really want the economy to start to improve before November and few to die in states which are reopening?

            You don’t have to answer that question here, but ask it to yourself and see how you answer it. And hopefully consider revising your views on politics. These are real human beings at risk, disproportionately those living in nursing homes and other vulnerable people.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        ” The good news is one of you will perhaps be proven right by November.”

        I know I shouldn’t tell you this, but here’s the plan, Francis, come November when we take over we’re going to take your guns, screw your womenfolk and stick you in FEMA Camps

        Now, run and tell the others

        Hahahahaha!

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    So…Tesla and the state and county are working it out. Wow, who’d have thunk it.

    So much for the anti-Cali hate, I guess…

  • avatar
    Imagefont

    More attention seeking behavior.

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    tomLU86

    I respect what Elon Musk has done, because he has beaten many challenges.

    I don’t care for a lot of his comments though.

    However, in this case, I am with him. If the state of California (not that I think that highly of their state govt) allows Tesla to run, provided Tesla meets whatever requirements CA puts forth, you can’t have counties over-ruling that without justification.

    Alameda County….Oakland… I give them even less credence than California’s government.

  • avatar
    tylanner

    Elon the Bold

  • avatar
    JimC2

    I’m glad to see this kind of pushback in the news. The farther we keep kicking this can down the road the worse it is going to be for everyone.

    Sheesh. It’s not like Musk is trying to run a sweatshop full of immune-compromised, old, and sick workers. Get on with it!

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I tend to agree, and apparently the authorities do as well, since they’re working on a plan to get the plant re-opened.

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        Well, it’s probably safer than a Walmart or a hospital. One of my local Whole Foods was shut down due to several employees getting the virus. The authorities do need to relax a bit for some businesses. Nightclubs are a problem, but factories and golf courses shouldn’t be a problem. Unless the factory is a sweatshop with the workers packed together.

    • 0 avatar
      don1967

      Yep, it’s definitely time to have an adult discussion about this multi-dimensional problem.

      Unfortunately, government lockdowns make a simple and comfortable utopia for those who are paralyzed by fear and/or in search of a new world order. Gonna take a lot of reality therapy before these folks come around.

    • 0 avatar
      thelaine

      Couldn’t agree more. They said it was to protect hospital capacity. What is the excuse now? People have to work.

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    don1967

    Nobody is being “forced” to work. Everybody is free to remain unemployed if they so choose.

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    mikey

    With automation and technology in general, individual assemblers are not all jammed together. Back in the 80’s we were running at 60 jobs per hour on a line engineered for a maximum 48 JPH. Workers were in very close proximity.

    Today I would venture to guess , with proper precautions it is doable?

  • avatar
    ttacgreg

    Civics and the social contract and ultimately the rule of law are what are suffering here.
    No democratic nation exists without a body of law. Without law, the hierarchy becomes a brutal pure raw power structure with an absolute dictator at the top who has no courts, or law makers, or free press to hold him accountable.
    Musks actions here break the social contract.

    • 0 avatar
      CaddyDaddy

      rule of law….huh. Edicts from a .gov executive or unelected bureaucrat are not Law. Laws are made by legislatures which have been suspended and the ability to redress our Government in the form of protest and public comment on the floor of the State Capitol. ? Can I get a refund on my Prop. Taxes for kiddos being forbidden to go to .gov school? Go Elon Go! Build Them Cars!

  • avatar
    JimC2

    59 comments already! I wonder if we get to 200 on this one? In the words of Kent Dorfman,* “Oh boy, is this great!!”

    * from Animal House, look it up

  • avatar
    Kendahl

    We are learning things about the virus. It’s time we started to benefit from the knowledge.

    (1) Only the elderly and those with major medical issues are at high risk. I doubt Musk has many employees older than 65. (Probably zero.) Even if some employees catch the virus, risk of death is low.

    (2) Screen incoming employees every shift. A temperature check if nothing else. Ask each one if he has been exposed to a confirmed case or someone with symptoms. If you have symptoms, report them and take time off, get a real test and don’t return to work until you are safe.

    (3) Pay for the best masks available. Issue new, clean ones at the beginning of the shift and clean or dispose of them at the end.

    (4) As far as possible, maximize separation between employees. Close the break rooms. Eat your lunch outdoors away from others.

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      Sanitize all washrooms regularly.
      Sanitize all common touch points. Including tools and equipment, door handles, light switches.
      Discontinue the use of punch clocks/etc.
      Temperature testing should be conducted twice per day.
      Wear goggles as the virus can enter through your eyes. Even better everyone should wear clear face shields.
      Prop open all doors/windows to reduce the viral load in the atmosphere of the workplace.

      Problems are:
      An international scarcity of appropriate masks and shields
      Workers family members may be exposed. You may spread the virus for up to 14 days after exposure or prior to showing symptoms.
      Working all day in the appropriate mask is very trying.
      When sanitizing sometimes some spots are missed.

  • avatar
    AVT

    Elon knows what he’s doing with this and so does his legal team. At the end of the day, legally the state can overrule the county regarding any prosecution in this case, so I don’t envision a scenario with the county winning anything. If any of his employee’s want to come back to work, and then try to take legal action for getting sick at work, Musk can easily argue that they should have followed the stay at home orders, so its there own fault. With thermal imaging now the standard at any major employment hub, followed by questioning and other op-outs, they are legally covered in saying they’ve done all they can to prevent you getting sick. I’m somewhat confused honestly by why Musk is pushing so hard to open. I doubt demand is gone completely but it can’t be anywhere near the levels it was at the beginning of the year. I would think the current market conditions would suggest wind down inventory as much as possible and keep the cash for reserve (in the event additional road bumps are encountered while the world recovers from this). That’s seems to be the plan a majority of the major corporations are taking (mine workplace among them). I will be intrigued to see what Q2 results show for sales and if they ended up with a massive inventory glut or not. The ironic thing is the best deals to be had during this have already come and gone, so many who still kept jobs through this actually bought because of the incentives. I think the car market recovery will be drastically slower in the coming months as anyone who got laid off really doesn’t need a new car since they were not driving anywhere. Further, a lot of the buyers of the used market/bottom half of this vehicle market are in the job occupations that will see a lot slower recovery or none at all. Stimulus and unemployment checks (with the extra government contribution) won’t be sustained at the current levels as the recovery starts, at which point the pinch will really be on. Many are saving that extra unemployment (or at least I hope they are) in preparation of this. Just like last time there will be winners and losers. To many workers and not enough jobs to match. The real crunch will be the subprime market and anyone who would need a loan. A massive amount of that market really took a hit (we will probably see the worst of it in the coming 2 months as most forbearance terms were only for 120 days), resulting in extreme tightening of loan terms for “non-qualified” buyers (and the housing market). Tesla will survive as there buying demographic is generally outside this market, but I still doubt its realistic production sustainability given where the buying market is likely headed.

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    duncanator

    No politics in this, but I thought the point was to flatten the curve and prevent the hospitals from being overloaded. It seems like that happened, so why can’t things open up a little? Here in CA, where the Fremont plant is, there are 69,417 confirmed cases and 2,789 deaths (latimes.com). In a state with close to 40 million people, that’s really, really low.

    • 0 avatar
      chuckrs

      That’s the point I remember too. Here’s an article that discusses epidemiology, compares WA and NY response and discusses the dance of the seven veils type of communication involved talking to the public. They don’t start out by bluntly telling you that we’re all going to get it. Interesting assessment of state and local leadership in both states. TL;DR – Cuomo and deBlasio don’t come off well.

      https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/04/seattles-leaders-let-scientists-take-the-lead-new-yorks-did-not

    • 0 avatar
      thelaine

      duncanator

      Exactly. What is the excuse now? People. Need. To. Work. The economy supports EVERYTHING, including all healthcare, public safety, housing, food and services.

    • 0 avatar
      Daniel J

      @duncanator,

      I believe the original story was to flatten the curve and to *slow* down the rate of infection to keep the Hospitals from being overrun.

      Now it seems the *story*, especially from the far left, is to stay closed so *no one* else gets infected. That is just an untenable position. “Your going to get people killed” and “your state is murdering people” is the position now, especially as southern *republican* states open back up.

      Putting my tin foil hat on for a second, I think its a position to get people behind a UBI. A UBI would have solved all these problems right? Wrong. Even if we did have a UBI, that money would have to come through taxation. There isn’t much less revenue when things shutdown for a UBI to get its money from. We’d have to assume this UBI would be backstopped for at least several years. We know that unemployment is barely backstopped 3 months for any state’s average unemployment rate. What makes anyone think we’d backstop a UBI program for months or years even if we *could* get the money.

      Its about getting money from the rich, and a UBI still couldn’t be funded from the rich. They don’t have *that* much money to tax.

      It would cost about 5 Trillion dollars a year to give all Americans over 16 2000 a month. Half that if we want to make it 1000 a month. The federal Government only brings in about 3 Trillion a year in revenue.

  • avatar
    SaulTigh

    Well, we’re gonna find out soon enough from the States out here in flyover country that are reopening. My feeling is that many of the flyover states will be OK, without any major outbreaks, and that come the end of the summer we’ll have a distinct dichotomy between those states (which will be recovering economically) and the ones still locked down. As if we needed another reason to break along political lines, but there you go.

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