By on April 21, 2020

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With very little going on in the automotive realm amid the pandemic, we decided to check in on the United Auto Workers to see if another chapter had been added to the organization’s ongoing corruption scandal. Not much news on that front, though the union did announce its pick for presidential candidate. On Tuesday, it publicly embraced Joe Biden.

While Biden has long been the presumed UAW favorite, a March confrontation with a Detroit factory worker over the former vice president’s 2nd Amendment policies briefly resulted in a cadre of union members pushing back against the candidate over social media. At the time, the situation looked to have done real damage to his prospects of getting union endorsements in the Midwest. However, it seems the outrage was short-lived. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump has taken great strides to appeal to factory workers living in states like Michigan and Ohio — measures that clearly helped get him elected in 2016.

Recall the UAW came out rather aggressively against Trump prior to the last election and ultimately endorsed Hilary Clinton. With that in mind, it would be almost unthinkable to see the union change course. It was probably always going to be Biden; the union just needed to make an the obligatory announcement. 

“In these dangerous and difficult times, the country needs a president who will demonstrate clear, stable leadership, less partisan acrimony and more balance to the rights and protections of working Americans,” said UAW President Rory Gamble in a statement.

“UAW Members need a federal government that ensures that members have both a good job to go to, and that they come home to their families at night having earned a fair day’s wage in a safe and secure place.”

While we’re inclined to agree with Gamble’s sentiment, the UAW’s endorsement record is about as partisan as it gets. In 2016, the The Detroit News asked an official from the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL–CIO) if it or the UAW had ever endorsed a Republican presidential nominee. They responded with a negative, while a UAW spokesperson said they couldn’t be certain. A little research tells us the AFL–CIO actually failed to endorse George McGovern in 1972. But the UAW did — along with every proceeding Democrat frontrunner until today.

It makes sense, as left-leaning candidates tend to be seen as more union friendly than their right-leaning counterparts. The UAW said Biden has already offered a clear strategy for union employees, which includes the following:

Reign in the abuse of corporate power over working people and hold corporate executives personally accountable for violations of labor laws.

Encourage and incentivize unionization and collective bargaining; and [sic]

Ensure that workers are treated with dignity and receive the pay, benefits and workplace protections they deserve.

Ensure we expand access to affordable quality health care.

By contrast, the union’s previous messaging about Trump suggested he was interested in lowering wages or moving auto sector jobs out of the Midwest and into states with less union influence.

“With the comment he made here in Detroit, it leads one to believe that the way to bring jobs back is to lower everybody’s wages. One of the biggest issues in the U.S. today is inequality in wages. I have met people who work two jobs in order to make ends meet, working 60, 70, 80, 90 hours a week. In our society that’s what’s going on. So what are the details of making America great? I don’t want a president who has a good line. I want a president who has a line with the details. I want a president that will tell us what the details are. Trump has avoided the details. That concerns me,” former UAW President Dennis Williams wrote in 2016 after the union endorsed Clinton.

Williams is currently tied to the broadening corruption probe targeting UAW officials who embezzled funds (and/or took bribes) to pay for extravagant vacations, parties, and sprucing up their homes. While no charges has been filed against Mr. Williams, he’s believed to be one of the anonymous officials listed in the courtroom documents — specifically “UAW Official B,” who is alleged to have used ill-gotten cash to pay for rental properties around the country. But this is a new election, with Gamble now heading the union.

Will members heed the UAW’s quadrennial call to unify around its preferred candidate or has too much goodwill been lost? Hard to say, but a decidedly unscientific survey conducted by yours truly over several bored coronavirus weekends saw a smattering of UAW members endorsing Trump and Biden on an even split. That sample size of eight is bound to have a sizable margin of error, however.

Speaking of unscientific, Gamble also said that the UAW has been negotiating for enhanced safety standards over COVID-19 return-to-work policies — adding that the issue “demonstrates the need for Presidential leadership to follow the guidance of science and give workers a seat in discussions over their safety and well-being.”

Likewise, the UAW estimated that Biden’s experience in the past administration’s involvement in the “successful auto recovery will be instrumental as the industry experiences massive changes in technology and jobs,” be they in the automotive sector or elsewhere.

“In a changing economic environment, we need steady leadership and planning to make sure the jobs of the future are good-paying union jobs with benefits,” concluded Gamble. “And UAW members need to know they have a voice in those changes … UAW members ultimately want a voice. And Joe Biden is committed to giving UAW members that voice at the table.”

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203 Comments on “UAW Predictably Endorses Biden for President...”


  • avatar
    Lie2me

    Oh, geez, here we go again… *sigh

  • avatar
    SSJeep

    But wait… I thought Trump fought for autoworkers and stood up to GM nonsense. Trump also enacted tariffs to keep and grow jobs onshore.

    Sounds like the UAW is just towing the party line, as usual. Maybe it will help distract their members from the rash of corruption investigations and arrests happening within the UAW ranks.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      ” I thought Trump fought for autoworkers and stood up to GM nonsense.”

      LOL.

      panem et circenses.

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      I think you can make a split argument that the biggest threat to the jobs of UAW members isn’t corporate tyranny but offshoring. We’re I a member I would have wanted my union to see how he intended to handle that.

  • avatar
    sgeffe

    In other news, water is wet!

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    What the executive branch wants might not line up with what the rank and file wants.

  • avatar
    Oberkanone

    UAW is exempt from Obama Care “Cadillac Tax”. Hypocrites.

    In 2013, President Obama granted certain exemptions to a number of union groups, including the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (UFCW), the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO), the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT), the United Steelworkers (USW), the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), and the Union of Needletrades, Industrial and Textile Employees – Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees International Union (UNITE-HERE), among others. These are the largest examples of the unions that were given exemptions from paying tax penalties on self-insured group plans under the new law.

    The unions lobbied to receive an exemption because the health plans that are offered through established collective bargaining agreements, such as those available through union membership, usually come with increased benefits that are typically not found with employer-sponsored plans.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      I am surprised nobody is talking about role of O’bama care in COVID crisis. Remember, under this plan, medical equipment manufacturers got taxed more, hospitals closed, etc.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        I don’t remember that, but I DO remember being able to get a $90K operation that saved my life that I wouldn’t have been able to get without ObamaCare

        Thanks, Obama

        • 0 avatar
          teddyc73

          @ Lie2Me. Yes you would have. Obamacare had nothing to do with it.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Lie2me,

          BS me, NOT. OK? Before O’bama “care”, doctor send you to MRI and insurance says OK, no problem. Now, they will deny you until you collect tons of evidence. My boss, needed a knee procedure, and it was some new treatment, costs 70K and involves multiple surgeries, lab work, etc. Was denied. She was taking insurance to court. In the end, they agreed. But before, it was much easier. I am not even mentioning millions of people who couldn’t keep their doctor. I am myself. Many doctors are now charging for practice membership. My doctor is $1000 annual. In Boston doctors charge $5000 per family member. Why? Because they don’t want insurance to tell them how to treat you. And average American today gets exactly that. Insurance treatment, not doctor treatment.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            “BS me, NOT. OK? Before O’bama “care”, doctor send you to MRI and insurance says OK, no problem.”

            wow. Hey, can you tell me what I had for lunch yesterday, and how much I enjoyed it?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            slavuta, I can’t speak to your friend’s experience and you certainly can’t speak to my experience. May you never have a ruptured gallbladder sending poisonous bile throughout your system where a 50 mile ambulance trip took me directly into the OR. Had I not had the insurance I may have delayed treatment to a far more dangerous point, but go ahead call me a liar, you certainly must know more about my medical history then I do

            You’re just another stable genius with his head up his butt

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @slavuta – depending on the knee surgery, a MRI is overkill. A weight bearing X-ray of anterior/posterior and lateral view often is all that is needed. Doctors in a “for profit” system want to maximize profits. There does need to be a balance between what the Doctor wants (not always ethically motivated) and what the system can afford to pay.

          • 0 avatar

            All the things you describe existed pre obama care.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          Meh, he publicly claimed the war on terror to be over yet still sent me 3 times so my feelings aren’t as warm.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Lie2me,

          Sorry about your condition but, you saving yourself has nothing to do with O’Bama care. The act forces you to buy insurance and this is what you’ve done. But you could do it even cheaper before that. You could buy an insurance that would be what they call , “non compliant” by obama-care standards. It would be very bad to treat your daily symptoms but perfect for the emergency situation you had. In fact, these “non-compliant” insurances were called “catastrophic” because of that. Who prevented you from buying one? They were cheaper that O’bama care insurances every day.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            God, you are so wrong, but I’m really kind of tired of dealing with you, so you have a good day

            Russians are bigger know-it-alls then Americans

      • 0 avatar
        Peter Gazis

        1. The President’s name is Trump. Trump has been president for over 3 years. Plenty of time to fix any supply shortages.

        2. Republicans had control of the House, Senate, Supreme Court & Presidentcy. For Trump’s 1st 2 years in office. They promised to “Repeal & Replace” Obamacare. Where’s the Replacement?

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Peter Gazis, Wait a minute. Trump was too busy to fend off fake attacks on his presidency. May be you forgot, what our congress was doing while COVID was getting big? It was impeaching president for no obvious reasons. Oh… delay payment to Ukraine. hahahahahahaha.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            you mean the “impeachment” that was killed the second it reached the Senate, and took up basically none of the president’s time?

            try another excuse.

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            @Slavuta: The POTUS was not too busy to travel to Mar-A-Lago on 3 different occasions in February and to spend at least 4 days playing golf. So the
            ‘too busy’ argument is Fake News.

            As for Obamacare, it was a compromise created by Mitch McConnell’s intransigence. Obama originally wanted a system that paralleled Medicare. Isn’t it amazing how many who receive Medicare are against ‘socialized medicine’ for others.

            And in Canada all of the listed procedures would be free, with your choice of hospital and doctor. The same as in every other 1st world nation except the USA.

          • 0 avatar
            Peter Gazis

            If trump can’t walk and chew gum at the same time, he’s too stupid to be president.

      • 0 avatar
        Snooder

        That is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while, and I live in a state where the LT Governor was suggesting we just let the old people die of COVID.

    • 0 avatar
      notinuse

      The ACA Cadillac tax was never implemented, and was repealed last year.

    • 0 avatar
      Zipster

      Slavuta appears to be an operative for a foreign government. The mere fact that she(he) goes to considerable length to defend the psychopath is not dispositive, but I cannot forget the time I made a comparison to Russia’s actions in Ukraine and received (allegedly from Slavuta) a response defending Russia. It was written by someone whose writings skills were several levels above Slavuta’s. Someone could probably find it stored on this site, it was a certain give-away as to Slavuta’s role here.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        I was born in Ukraine. I was there last year. What do you need to know? I can tell you.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Your devotion to insane dictators is inbred. Trump must make you feel right at home

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Lie2me

            “insane”, is exactly what I am observing right now in American gov. And China, with their dictators just keep rolling their 100 year plan for world domination; while in DC we have true insanity (not meaning Trump). In mid-90s you would go to China and you would think, “this country will never pull it”. And now. Basically, what took America hundreds of years, China did in 30 years. 1984. read it

        • 0 avatar
          Zipster

          You need not defend yourself, I could certainly be wrong and hope that I am. I have been to the Ukraine, I much enjoyed it and the people. I am rather partisan toward it.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          There are ethnic Ukrainians and then there are ethnic Russians born in the Ukraine.

          Quite often their political beliefs and loyalties are extremely antagonistic.

          For example many ethnic Russians born in Ukraine believe that it is an integral part of Russia and has no right to independence.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            First,
            you need to stop calling Ukraine, “the Ukraine”. This is offensive to those in Ukraine, although, I don’t care.
            Second, you have a very simplistic explanation. Especially when you bring up ethnicity, this is not as clear. Since there is no such thing as major ethnic differences between Russian and Ukrainian -speakers. And also, if you look at videos of those “pro-Ukraine” fighters, they give interviews in Russian. While president preps his speech, he gives instructions in Russian. While he promotes anti-Russian agenda, his son sings and dances Russian songs in bars.
            In other words, there is no fight between Russian-speaking people and Ukrainian-speaking people in Ukraine.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Then what exactly are they fighting about @slavuta? I mean they were going at it hard enough to shoot a freaking Boeing 777 out of the sky.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            It’s a land grab, Art – Ukraine was part of the old USSR, and Russia wants it back.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Vladimir Putin wants a captive customer that will overpay for his oil, and he does not want anyone in his neighborhood joining any Western alliances. That’s what the bloodshed in Ukraine is about.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            If I were Ukraine I’d give Russia some land…right there around Pripiyat. All they want.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            what are they fighting for?
            different people fighting for different things there
            – US fighting for pulling ex USSR states away from Russian political influence (the coup in Kiev was instigated by US gov., this is a well-documents fact, with plenty of evidence)
            – Ukrainian oligarchs fighting for their economic zones (Ukraine is oligarchic economy and governance) When Yanukovich was forced out, other like him took over his and his buddys businesses. Poroshenko became richer during crisis years
            – Russia’s main interest is to have a friendly state next to it; if this is not possible, create land dispute that will prevent NATO on Ukrainian soil.
            – There is a small Russia-hating group in Ukraine, originating from x-Polish territory. Nearly any Ukrainian will quickly tell you, “they are just <2%". But, they are the muscle of the mafia who took power in 2014. When appointed (not elected – BTW, there is no such thing as appointing president in Ukrainian constitution) "president" Turchinov sent soldiers into East Ukraine, he formed these battalions from Russia-hating guys. This is analogous as if KKK would be sent to put down a black riot. These people will fight Russia no matter what. What they do in Ukraine is beyond believe. They can come to an office of president-appointee official and punch him in the face. and they are Russian speakers as main language in many cases as well.

            The way I see the current conflict. Regardless of how it started, the people in the East have substantial historical (not ethnic) differences with guys from the West. For example, in the west, they served in Nazi divisions, polizei, executed Jews; and east guys served in the red army. Therefore, when these people came to power through a group of oligarchs in Kiev, guys in the east said that they will not follow orders from the illegitimate government. They voted for Yanukovich and he must serve another few months to the next elections. When Turchinov sent paramilitary (many military personnel refused to go there) Russia assured East guys with support. To me, Eastern guys were supporting democracy while in Kiev there was a chaos in government. Phony impeachment that technically did not gain enough votes, shootings and police incompetence. Today these Eastern guys are called pro-Russia separatists. And this is probably correct today. But in 2014 they were defenders of constitution. If Kiev did not bomb their cities, they would agree on something peacefully. Today only a fool can think that these people will ever come back.

            Separate issues
            – Boeing: I have a hard suspicion that Ukraine has sent this plane over war zone with purpose. Planes were shot down there in the previous days. That airspace should of been closed.

            – Crimea: for Ukraine this is painful to admit but Crimea never was part of this country in a full sense of this. Crimea was an Autonomous Republic of Crimea, and still is within Russian Federation with their own parliament. Historically, before USSR fall apart, in 1989, Crimea was one of the first who wanted to declare independence from USSR. Then there were attempts after USSR to gain autonomy from Ukraine but Ukrainian secret police arrested leaders of separatism and kicked them out from Ukraine. The problem is, when people don't want to, early or late, separation happens – Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Yemen, Pakistan, etc. This wasn't something totally unexpected. Almost like if Scotland separates from UK, it will not be a surprise. Of course, Putin seized the moment. But then, having tens of thousands of soldiers in Crimea, why Ukraine did not fight? Because in Ukraine you serve where you live. Crimean soldiers were Crimeans and they welcomed Russia as liberators. Crimea is Russian Cuba. They will not allow that to become NATO stronghold at any cost, just like we wouldn't allow Russian nukes in Cuba.

            -People: people in Ukraine are scared. Police will not protect them if anything. This is why majority of people are just go quiet about their business. But they are not happy with what is going on. This is why they've elected an actor as a president. President who has no control of his military units. In the recent action, the president came to the front lines and personally told some units to withdraw to the designated line. These units declined. So, the commander in chief has to say something like, "are you holding me for a full?". Or, he said nothing when his appointee was punched etc.

            The bottom line is, this conflict is way more complex than russia-ukraine. Add to this a growing conflict in the south-west, where (now truly different ethnically) ethnic Hungarians being given Hungarian passports. The way Ukrainian government does things today, in the near future we should expect calls for independence from that area as well.

            For your info. I've never traveled to East Ukraine. But I've been to Crimea, and most-West Ukraine, 2 places where nearly nobody speaks Ukrainian. And everywhere in between central-west. Last year I drove from Kiev more than half way to the west stopping in a few places.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            “– Boeing: I have a hard suspicion that Ukraine has sent this plane over war zone with purpose. Planes were shot down there in the previous days. That airspace should of been closed.”

            So the anti-aircraft battery couldn’t be bothered to obtain positive ID on the target and ensure that it was not, in fact a Commercial Airliner full of civilians? I don’t care who put it there…this one is on Russia and attempts to deflect the blame undermine your credibility. Plus you are just parroting Putin’s talking points on all of your arguments.

  • avatar
    Peter Gazis

    Note to self.

    Putting UAW officials in jail is probably not going to get you their indorsment.

  • avatar
    golden2husky

    Can we get a different photo for UAW stories…please?

  • avatar

    UAW endorsement makes me seriously reconsider voting for Biden.

  • avatar
    forward_look

    When I left Detroit I discovered I didn’t have to vote Democratic.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      Wow, where I’m from they let us vote for who we want, so they send a thug into the booth with you in Detroit?

      • 0 avatar
        JimZ

        No, but they do where he actually lives. Why do you think Putin keeps “winning” elections?

        • 0 avatar
          forward_look

          Now I can choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee. A pox on both their houses.

          I registered in a third party.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Oh well then, you’re not allowed to vote

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            You’re right, forward look – both parties are a joke, but the parties aren’t the problem, and a third party won’t solve it. The problem is that our campaign finance system is basically legalized bribery, and our elected officials are ALL bought and sold.

            Every. Last. One.

            Until that’s fixed, adding parties is useless – they’ll ALL do nothing but run a different slate of bought-off candidates.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Lie2me,

        and this IS the biggest issue of democracy. They let you and anyone vote.

        “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

        And I agree. The longer I live, the more I understand that everyone should not vote. May be in local elections but not in general elections

        • 0 avatar
          JimZ

          “And I agree. The longer I live, the more I understand that everyone should not vote. May be in local elections but not in general elections”

          See that? Only people who vote the way he does should be allowed to vote.

          You disgusting anti-American POS.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            I mean, at the end of the day, he is echoing the sentiments of the founders of our Government. There was much debate about universal suffrage based on the fear of people being able to vote themselves someone elses money, and to quote the line from Goodfellas when Tommy got wacked…and a lot of other things. History worked most of it out, but there has been plenty of debate on the topic with little to none of it centering on limiting the vote based on ones ideals.

            Noted anti American John Adams was on this train.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Jim, you can take the boy out of Russia, but you can’t take the Russia out of comrade slavuta

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            JimZ,

            oooh, easy on the curves. In fact, if America meant to be something, I am pro-American. Anti-American are those who don’t respect our Constitution, our president, etc. – i.e. anti-gun, fake news media, web platforms (content filtering) . People with red flags in Portland. Basically – you.
            Yes, this is my opinion – not everyone should vote. If you can’t carry gun because you’re on anti-depressants, you can’t vote! If you can’t judge your actions while handling a gun, how can you can perform your electoral duties? If you are taking mind-altering meds – no vote for you! This is my take. And if this was implemented, we would have 50% less voters. Also, if you don’t own property or business, you also have no stake and shouldn’t be voting. In fact, this is how it was in Greek democracy

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Art:

            The “original intent of the framers” argument tends to lose a bit of steam when you also consider that things like slavery, universal disenfranchisement of women, and counting non-whites as 66% of whites for census purposes were also their “original intent”. The Bill of Rights wasn’t their “original intent” either.

            They had some good ideas on how to organize a government, though.

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            slavuta,

            just say what you actually mean. Which is “if you don’t vote Republican, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.”

            and Teddy Roosevelt had something to say about people with your point of view:

            “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

            ― Theodore Roosevelt

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            I don’t disagree @Freedmike…hence the “and a lot of other things part”. I was simply pointing out that if you are going to use the argument to call someone a “disgusting anti-American POS, you are probably throwing the likes of Adams and Washington in there. For the record, yes, limiting someone’s right to vote because you don’t like how they vote is wrong. I don’t think any sane individual needs to be told that.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            slavuta, our constitution says in black and white that every adult has the right to vote. See the 15th, 19th, and 24th Amendments. Universal suffrage (yes, it was white + male then, but we have since mostly fixed that) was the single thing the American Revolutionaries were fighting and dying to get. If you don’t believe in that right, you are anti-constitution and anti-American.

            Many voters are idiots and I wish they wouldn’t be idiots. But their right to vote is the principle on which this country was founded, at considerable cost in blood.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            JimZ,

            I do criticize Trump for many things. Just not for him closing borders, touching women’s vaginas, etc. He has series of problems that scare me. For example, he supports police state. You can say no to that but he signed everything that supports police state. In fact, they just have the ruling that a company can’t say that secret service downloaded information from their servers. And in the last 10 years [they say], there were 300K such downloads.
            I criticize him for signing this package. First, because they included Pelosi’s wishes into it. Second, this is crazy, everything will de-valuate. Money will be printed like there is no tomorrow. I would rather see gov. giving free food

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Hmmm…if Slavuta is right and some folks should be disenfranchised, I move that the first ones kicked off the rolls should be the ones that like the idea of disenfranchising people for no good reason.

          And when they complain, offer them a one way plane ticket to Pyongyang.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I guess in Detroit, the Democrats hold a gun to your head and say “vote for us or we’ll blow your brains out”…LOL

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        It wasn’t their ideas. They took it from the Roman republic. And they probably just didn’t want to pay taxes to the king. Why pay king if they can collect it themselves? Washington was in trouble with the government too.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          And who’s been executed lately for not paying taxes?

          There’s a reason I gave up talking politics with you, slavuta.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            I am now a member of that club myself, but I am getting an education on how cultural differences effect how you look at the government

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            FreedMike

            In US, there are worse punishments than being executed. How about 5 lives in prison. What for you need to live then? Just kill me.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Why are you guys lying to yourself? What democracy? All the rules done in such way that is prohibitive to any democracy. Go and try to get a small party visible, even if you have best agenda. You can’t even get on a ballot if sometimes millions of signatures needed. And no money will buy you a spot on MSM and twitter will take down your posts. Come on. This is delusion.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          Guess rather than writing letters and telling the King they were no longer going to pay his taxes and there was nothing he could do about it, they should have rounded them all up and shot them like Czar Nikolas and his family, huh? Then they could have spent the next 50 years rounding up and shooting dissadents or starving them. Yeah, I’ll take our way, flawed as it may be sometimes, thanks.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Sometimes because of current events I forget how really great our system of government is compared to the rest of the world. Maybe that’s why everyone is so impassioned about the current mess we’re in, but slavuto’s narrow understanding of how our democracy works has reminded me

            No iron fists for me no matter where they originate

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Slavuta’s problem isn’t that he misunderstands our democracy (I suppose one could start with the fact that it’s not a democracy at all, but rather a republic). The problem is that he doesn’t buy into the *idea* of democracy, hence his “some people shouldn’t be allowed to vote” garbage. It doesn’t get any more anti-democratic that that, folks.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    A union endorses the candidate from the party that doesn’t feature union-busting as a core platform point. Is this a surprise?

    • 0 avatar
      RHD

      Apparently, it is a surprise to some.

      Union bashing is great fun, from afar. It’s like rooting against the professional sports team that you don’t like.
      The difference is that union employment versus non-union employment is day and night. No one is perfect – politicians, union officials, assembly line workers, and internet comment posters.

      But it turns out that without labor unions, our country would not be nearly as prosperous as it is. Getting your political views from what now passes for AM talk radio is very easy, but does not make you well-informed.

      • 0 avatar
        redapple

        RHD

        “But it turns out that without labor unions, our country would not be nearly as prosperous as it is”

        With all due respect. Thats BS. We are prosperous IN SPITE of unions. Modern work structures, supply and demand, rapidly changing skills mix needed are the opposite of what unions support. Add the fact that union labor shop rules, elevated pay (pay more or we strike weapon) HURT plant efficiencies and profitability.

        Finally, only 6.2% of the private business labor force is unionized. It is not credible that this 6.2% can exert meaningful influence in the other 94%.

        • 0 avatar
          Zipster

          Road Apple:

          With the decline in unions we have seen a very large increase in income disparity. As a tool for the 1%, that probably does not bother you.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            Union bashing is just an extension of the cold war propaganda machine aimed at the “red menace”. The USA has worked to suppress unions and anything resembling nationalism and/or socialism all over the world and inside the USA if it is in their own corporate best interests.
            Examples where the USA Replaced a democratically elected leader with a dictator: 1953 Iranian coup d’état. 1973 Chilean coup d’état. Operation Condor – United States-backed campaign of political repression and state terror involving intelligence operations and assassination of opponents, officially and formally implemented in November 1975 by the right-wing dictatorships of the Southern Cone of South America.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Maybe, but the UAW is not a good union. If my Union was taking bribes from my company (FCA) while negotiating my contract, I feel like I should be able to affiliate with another union or go it myself. I really don’t need an additional layer in there taking my dues and screwing me over. Maybe competition would be good for Unions…make them compete for my dues and should they decide instead to accept bribes from management allow me to go elsewhere. Maybe that would clean them up a bit.

        • 0 avatar

          But it was 35% of the labor force back when (50’s 60’s)the middle class had some of their best years and income inequality was much more level.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          I know every single conservative believes they would have been one of the 100 or so robber barons in the era before American unions, but in the real world the vast majority of them would just be ordinary workers, working 6 12-hour shifts 52 weeks a year to get scrip that they can only spend in company stores.

          Unions are the only reason modern working conditions are what they are. And there is no reason we couldn’t go back to what was there before, with just a few Republican bills passed through Congress. Union political activism is mostly designed to prevent that outcome.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Good Unions, yes…but the UAW is not a good union as evidenced by them tossing there members under the bus over some sweet bribes from FCA. Those members should be allowed to fire their union and affiliate with someone else.

      • 0 avatar
        forward_look

        Labor unions had their time, vs. Henry Ford’s goons. Now they are the goons.

        I watched as the IBEW slowly choked Bulldog Electric in Hamtramck.

        “But there’s no Bulldog Electric in Hamtramck.”

        Not any more.

      • 0 avatar
        SCE to AUX

        @RHD:

        “The difference is that union employment versus non-union employment is day and night.”

        Please explain this, because the workers at every transplant (plus Tesla) don’t agree. Working conditions and pay seem to be OK for them, and maybe they don’t want to have union dues go to corrupt officials who can’t help them retain their jobs, anyway.

        • 0 avatar
          Erikstrawn

          Automakers in the US have to contend with the UAW, even if they aren’t unionized. The non-union auto companies have to compete with unionized auto companies or the UAW will get voted in. The workers don’t want a union because the company is already trying to take care of them – which is how an employer should act.

          Now, here’s the rub – the non-union plants don’t save that much money by being non-union. It’s about a 10% difference in labor costs. How much of that is passed on to the consumer depends on how labor intensive the product is. On a vehicle you’re looking at 15%, so the consumer actually only sees a 1.5% increase in the price of the car. On a $30,000 vehicle you’re talking $450. That’s not insignificant, but you’re supporting your fellow countrymen.

          Why do we praise ‘entrepreneurs’ who find a way to sell a $30 purse as a $300 ‘luxury good’, and then denigrate factory workers for wanting a living wage? Salesmanship is overrated. I’ve been to other countries where goods cost more, but the people live better lives because they can make a living doing work that we pretend only deserves $7.25 an hour.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            What do you mean I am not supporting my fellow countrymen? 1 of 4 in my fleet is a union product (F150). The Hyundai provides jobs to people in my own state and the Leaf was from Mississippi I believe. Then there is my other “Domestic”. My Fiesta ST from Mexico. That is the issue the UAW should have asked Biden about, especially since other manufacturers can build cars in the US at a profit.

    • 0 avatar
      Snooder

      The real surprise are the union members who somehow think that the union-busters have their interests at heart.

      • 0 avatar
        285exp

        No, the real surprise are the union members who think the union has their best interest at heart.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          If the union does not act in the members’ best interest, the solution is to vote the union leadership out. Honestly that should have happened a long time ago at the UAW, but it gets a lot harder to do that as the unions get bigger. Small locals with support from an international are the way to go.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Yes. The UAW members should not be bound to their leadership that has demonsted itself to be corrupt. They should be allowed to vote them out, and in extreme cases such as has happened at the UAW, obtain representation elsewhere.

    • 0 avatar
      Jeff Semenak

      Try running for office in the Union. You’ll find out quickly how democratic they are.

  • avatar
    ToolGuy

    Speaking of affordable health care…
    “The AMA is the UAW for doctors.” Discuss.

  • avatar
    teddyc73

    Yeah, don’t endorse the guy who brought the country back and created the most robust and roaring economy this country has ever seen. The guy who put millions back to work so they could buy cars. The guy who reduced burdensome regulations on businesses so they could thrive. A true business man who knows how to make things happen. No, don’t go with him. GO with Biden, who has no idea what day it is. Brilliant! And these people are building our cars?

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      Teddy, dear sweet little Teddy, it’s a lovely day why don’t you go play a round of golf

      Just don’t get your head caught in the bag again

      • 0 avatar
        Zipster

        Like all trumpsters, teddy is delusional. If the psychopath says it, it must be true.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        You can certainly argue he is wrong about Trump, but is Joe Biden really the best counter we have? He is a gerriatric bumbling idiot with baggage. Guess it’ll be a third party year.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          I’d vote for a fence post over the current guy in office

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Joined lunatic society? I see

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Well, you kind of are. Biden is an idiot. I have no more use for him than Trump. Again, I’ll take my vote elsewhere this year, thanks.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Art:

            Vote for someone who wants to get the rid of the abomination known as “Citizens United” and stop legalized bribery of politicians. Until that happens, it literally makes no difference what party a candidate is in – he’s STILL just working for whatever interests are greasing his palms.

            We keep getting paid-off morons, and voters just shake their heads and give up. And the special interests win.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            All I can do is worry about me @FreedMike. Honestly as I live in Alabama I would probably just skip it this year as you can already put our electoral votes in the Trump column, but we do have a senate race and the poll is within walking distance so I’ll probably still go. Citizens United alone wasn’t the only problem though. The system was broken before that. Yeah, it needs to go but a lot of other changes need to happen as well. Perhaps only individuals…not bundlers collecting on behalf of individuals, but just individuals should be allowed to give money.

            And as the Court has rendered the judgement, you will have to deal with Citizens United in congress. Given that control is split and neither side has brought it up at a serious level, I am left to believe they care not.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Democrats have actually made Citizens United a pretty big issue, Art. Whether that amounts to just “making the right noises” or it’s a real call to action remains to be seen.

            As far as Republicans go, I haven’t seen much in the way of opposition to it, at least publicly. I’m sure they hold their noses in private because they know this decision opened the floodgates to unprecedented corruption, but since the corruption favors them politically, they aren’t going to do diddly squat.

            Either way, this decision is easily the worst one since Dred Scott, and needs to be done away with…stat. You’re right when you say that it won’t cure all the campaign finance problems, but it’s a damned fine place to start.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Yeah but you don’t get to vote for “Democrats”. I get to vote for Biden. He has a long record none of which makes citizens United a priority. He is old and out of touch. I hate the rationalizing people do to support him.

            “Why would I vote for a guy that uses phrases like “He’s an articulate young negro”?

            “Oh you know, people from his generation say stuff like that.”

            He gets a pass for that, Anita Hill, and all sorts of stuff.

            Well he is too old then and frankly his generation has historically been part of the problems. I’m not voting for him. The Democrats should have done better. I’ll go 3rd party.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Art, in our system, a third-party vote is a mirage.

            If you boil down our system to its real effect, it is this:

            Every adult citizen gets two votes and has no choice but to cast them.

            – Marking your ballot for “Biden” = casting both of your votes for Biden.
            – Marking your ballot for “Trump” = casting both of your votes for Trump.
            – Voting third-party or abstaining = casting one of your votes for Biden and one for Trump.

            I am not going to cast a vote for Trump.

            He is certainly one of the worst three presidents in our history (together with Johnson and Harding) and likely the very worst, whether you judge him by record or character. He is the most corrupt person ever to occupy the office, and shamelessly uses it to steal money. Every bit of his rhetoric is about tearing Americans apart, separating them into the elect of rural white people and the dirty class of foreigners, nonwhites, and urbanites. His impulses are dictatorial but fortunately he is too weak to defeat all of our institutions.

            Biden is a doddering old man, but he will do vastly less harm, and can preserve our republic long enough for a Democrat with more vigor to take over. Personally, I can’t wait for President Julián Castro. That man knows his sh!t.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Nope @Dal…Not this year. I have spent my adult life choosing the least bad candidate (Well, maybe except for Bob Dole…I ended up in the 10th Mountain Division in my career and only grew to respect him even more based on his actions, but of course he lost to Bill “The things you can do to a woman against her will over the past 20 years have changed” Clinton so it didn’t matter). So pardon me if I roll my eyes at your “Good Person” aspect as my first election the country literally chose a rapist over a war hero because the rapist was “cool”.

            Having said that, it does matter and I am done. Every since then it has been a sea of “Who do I hate less.” Not doing it again. I am voting for a person. It will not be for either the Republican or the Democrat. Yeash, now queue the normal “This is too important or you are really just voting for X” bs, as you have stated. Frankly you are wrong. Besides I have done my bit for God and Country and I will vote for whomever I God^%mned well please. Work harder to get my vote in 2024 and I’ll reconsider. At the end of the day I don’t respect either of these buffoons and I wouldn’t respect myself if I supported either of them.

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            “Voting third-party or abstaining = casting one of your votes for Biden and one for Trump.”

            I could live with that. However, I’m also definitely not a person that wants “a Democrat with more vigor to *take over*”. I don’t think the platform of that party deserves full implementation.

            I guess Biden beats Trump but the republicans keep a +3 majority in the senate wouldn’t be too bad (although republican house, tied senate, and dem president might be ideal). Maybe I’ll do Biden and then straight-ticket Republican down ballot.

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Do as you want, Art. Just know that you aren’t actually refusing to cast a vote for either of them. You are casting a vote for each of them.

            From my perspective, this election is like asking me if I’d rather eat a few slices of dry burnt toast or a giant pile of $hit. The reasonable alternative may not be that appealing, but it’s vastly preferable to the other.

        • 0 avatar
          Snooder

          Yeah, I think everyone is disappointed with the poor slate of candidates from the Dems this year.

          But honestly, I’ll take Biden over Trump any fucking day. Every downside Biden has, Trump has much, much worse. And a whole extra truckload of baggage besides.

          Seriously, people are talking about how Biden leans in too closely to women? Trump is out there grabbing by the fucking pussy. Biden is old? Trump ain’t exactly a spring chicken. Verbal gaffes from Biden? Have any of you actually heard Trump speak? Biden’s kid maybe got a high paying job based on his proximity to his dad? Trump’s kids wives are collecting six figure paychecks direct from his election campaign while the kids themselves are jet setting to India and Saudi Arabia to solicit bribes directly.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      “Yeah, don’t endorse the guy who brought the country back and created the most robust and roaring economy this country has ever seen. The guy who put millions back to work so they could buy cars. ”

      repeating the same lie over and over won’t make it true. große lüge doesn’t work on everyone.

      I’d like to see you explain how Trump “put millions back to work” in the 6+ years before he became president.

      http://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Figure-1.-Unemployment-Rates-by-Educational-Attainment-1992-2019-820×492.png

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Salute POTUS Trump who brought sanity back into government. I know, many don’t like to be sane, this is why we have 50% population on anti-depressants.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Russian lunatic speaks and uses very few adjectives, are they rationed back in old country

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Lie2me,
            blame russia. See, you are not far from Pelosi (no wonder!). Even though, I never lived in Russia, keep blaming.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            I didn’t blame Russia, but now that you mention it… Why can’t Russians butt out of other people’s lives. Is it because they want the whole world to be miserable alcoholics and whores like they are?

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            “Why can’t Russians butt out of other people’s lives.”

            It is even ridiculous to hear this from US person. US gov has it nose in every country’s business. In fact, I was listening to argument between US/Israeli and Russian scholars about US involvement in Russian affairs during Yeltsin. There wasn’t argument about involvement, the only difference was that one guy pointed out that this involvement was with Yeltsin’s approval.

            I can stick my finger into any place on the map and tell you how US was involved there. May be you don’t know that 11,000 US soldiers were fighting in Russia, and today they are in Ukraine also.

            You probably don’t know that hundreds of thousands of Americans worked in USSR? Don’t you?

      • 0 avatar
        redapple

        ZIP
        Orange man bad.
        He has messed up EVERY SINGLE THING.

        1 Record low unemployment -until the covid bio weapon was released.
        2 Border security improvement attempted. (at least you should sign in to get into the greatest country(the communists stopped this))
        3 China trade pact.
        4 New Nafta that is fair and doesnt give away the store.
        5 Refreshen / improvement of the military. O bama cut and cut. (a strong military is a good thing for the world – dont you think?)
        6 reduced red tape and regulation.
        7 Got our great super nice NATO ‘frenemies’ to pay their share.

        Yes Orange man very bad.
        Yeah- his manner is not pajama boy kissey sweet. But, you know what, lets see FOR ONCE how candor and kicking butt works for us.

        Like dennis says, Trump’s outer voice is a complete reflection of his inner voice. Osama, Killery, Biden ‘s inner and outer voice have never even shared a cup of coffee.

        Orange man bad.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          Oh stop. Even he says it wasn’t a bio weapon. The rest of those results are dubious at best.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “New Nafta that is fair and doesn’t give away the store.”

          Ironically the only concessions Canada gave the USA under “New NAFTA” were ones “we” were planning to give under the Obama TPP agreement. Renaming a trade pact and adding a new signature to it doesn’t necessarily make it a huge improvement.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Lou_BC,

            you missing the point. The point, here comes the man and says, “look at you, bunch of pathetic losers and traitors of the swamp. Look what you’ve done to this country. Where is our manufacturing? you sold our country by sending jobs away and keep money in offshore banks”. And the swamp does not want to change these things. Swamp wants you to sheep around and pretend everything is ok. They lie, manipulate and indoctrinate you and your children. In reality, America is sliding down in all world rankings – education, healthcare, etc. And when the slide started – when liberal agenda became mainstream in every component of life in America. My favorite question to every liberal is, “who was secretary of education under Kennedy” (when we still had top positions in education). Once you answer that, you will see how slide and indoctrination started in this country.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @slavuta – politicians in the USA have sold out the middle class to corporate/billionaire interests. COVID-45 isn’t your savior. If he wasn’t born into wealth, he’d be one of the car salesmen people on this site would be complaining about. That’s all he is, a con man who is a salesman. He isn’t going to save you or anyone else.
            You mention education, those on COVID-45 side of the political spectrum prefer a populace with poor education because that ensures a constant supply of supporters. Why else would COVID-45 appoint a fool like Betsy DeVos as Secretary of Education?

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Both sides of the aisle exploit the uneducated. It is simply the race of those uneducated that seems to break towards one party or another.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Art Vandelay – that is true but statistically those with less education are more likely to fall on the republican side of the equation. Post secondary education shifts people towards the democrat side of the isle. Demographics show that rural, uneducated, lower middle-class, white, middle-aged to more elderly males are most likely to be republican/Trumpian.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            It isn’t thant simple, otherwise Republicans would be killing it in the inner city. Like I said, both parties have there “Useful Idiots”

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Art, the inner cities aren’t white and Republicans have little use for non-whites except as the “help”. That’s why they’re not ” killing it in the inner city”

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Art Vandelay – “inner city” That would be urban as opposed to rural and as @lie2me pointed out,isn’t usually white.
            In Canada, the demographics are rather similar. We have had some conservatives push for that party to recruit immigrants since they are usually religious and conservative with very similar beliefs to white conservative Christians. That obviously was a tough sell that failed.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            It isn’t white, but I taught there for a bit and it is as uneducated as any trailer park is. And the Democrats have been utilizing that since LBJ was on office…you can hear him explain it all on his tapes.

            White uneducated people break Republican. There are more white people than any other race in this country. As the demographics of the nation change, it is not crazy to think that will change based on minority voting habits.

            It is no conspiracy…both sides exploit their useful idiots, Republicans just have more right now but that isn’t going to last much longer.

            I just don’t think the stat means much outside of the fact that stupid people tend to get taken advantage of regardless of their race or politics.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Lou_BC,

            you are avoiding answering education problem I gave you. What you are telling me – you call indoctrinated people educated.

            Now, drop this covid names. President Trump does everything possible. He does not know what to do. But no president knows what to do. This is why he is surrounded by professionals in this business and the people who talks to foreign professionals. Trump has great intuition and does right things, like closing the country way before anyone else did.

            It is the system that failed the virus, not Trump. It would be same thing with any president here, with any congress. Because healthcare is business first in America. And epidemiology is weak. You go to some sites and search “countries best prepared for pandemic”. Get the top 10 “best-prep” and you see exactly countries where it is worst! Forbes! lists USA as best prepared…. my god. How deep this stupid is?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “He does not know what to do.”

            Yes… 100% agree!

            And he lets his own petty insecurities interfere with what the experts tell him to do.

            “It is the system that failed the virus”

            Partially but see above.

            As far as USA being best prepared, that was a 2 year old report.

            COVID – 45’s transition team was provided with Pandemic scenarios.

            COVID – 45 fired entire pandemic response team in 2018 because it was an Obama era creation.

            The COVID – 45 administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China prior to the pandemic.

            You need to stop viewing things from a political lens. Reality is reality.

            Virtually every democratically elected country in the world has pushed aside petty partisan politics to deal with SARS-CoV-2. COVID-45 HAS NOT.

            COVID-45 has refused to accept responsibility for any shortcomings in dealing with this and is hedging his bets by offloading responsibility to Governors but at the end of the day, this is his debacle. I call him COVID-45 because SARS-CoV-2 and the disease COVID-19 is his defining moment. It is his mess to carry to his grave.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            you still did not answered my education question. Then you listed bunch of lies. Looks like you’re on DNC pill, suffering from TDS. Bye

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @slavuta – I don’t give a sh!t as to “who was secretary of education under Kennedy”

            I found this, “many of his initiatives were blocked by the conservative coalition of Northern Republicans and Southern Democrats.”

            As far as decline in education- that is an American problem. It isn’t “my” problem. My country has the highest rate of tertiary education in the world. That would be trades, college and university.

            Conservatives BMW (B!tch/Moan/Whine) about education because the “social” conservatives don’t like things like evolution, gender and religious neutrality.

            What was your point anyway?

            As far as listing lies…..LOL…… You are deluded. Fauxed News strikes again.

  • avatar
    Superdessucke

    The Democratic party has been selling out the American auto worker for decades. They didn’t do very well under Obama either. I guess this is a case where the leadership of the UAW and the membership might have slightly different interests? I certainly hope the members are smart enough to see through this.

    Biden will be too scared and weak to stand up to China, so auto production and supply chains will continue to head there. Good for the brass, not for the worker. He will be afraid of making waves, along with disturbing other interest he might have there.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      Did you notice that Trump no longer calls it the “China virus”? Yeah, it seems that Xi didn’t like it so he told Trump to cut it out and tough guy Trump did as he was told

  • avatar
    Dartdude

    After reading the all the negative comments here about President Trump. It seems after the covid 19 crises is gone, we need a cure of TDS. Some of the symptoms are lack of reality and no common sense.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      funny how all of you “free thinkers” parrot the same carbon-copy sound bites.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      “lack of reality”

      Don’t you mean a lack of exclusivity to FAUXED News?

      “and no common sense.”

      I personally take the latter as a compliment. “Common” as in shared, believed or thought to be true among a group. “Sense” is basically a feeling, or perception. I talked about this in another thread.

      • 0 avatar
        Dartdude

        Fauxed news as compare to tabloid and editorial news FCC should revoke the licenses for cnn,nbc msnbc,cbs and abc. The washington post and new york times are not news but fiction. Their also anti-America Lie to me, did you thank all your neighbors and friends for help paying for operation?

        • 0 avatar
          JimZ

          “Fauxed news as compare to tabloid and editorial news FCC should revoke the licenses for cnn,nbc msnbc,cbs and abc. The washington post and new york times are not news but fiction. Their also anti-America Lie to me, did you thank all your neighbors and friends for help paying for operation?”

          I smell borscht.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @Dartdude-
          This is a handy item to look at. It shows bias and accuracy. Please note that it also separates “opinion” from “news”.
          https://www.adfontesmedia.com/?v=402f03a963ba

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      “Common sense” is what people say when they want to do something that the evidence doesn’t support. It’s a red flag whenever a politician says it.

      • 0 avatar
        JimZ

        90% of the time when someone says something is “common sense” they mean “it agrees with something I already believe.”

        that’s regardless of political affiliation or topic. Everyone loves to believe they’ve got a “really good handle” on everything.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @dal20402 – my entire career has involved steering clear of “common sense” and using a systematic process of analysis, planning (for several outcomes), implementing, and assessing outcomes.
          “Great minds think alike” is an example of a “common sense” statement. “Great minds” as evidenced through out history think outside the box. “The box” is also know as a “paradigm” or also known as “common knowledge” or “common sense”.
          “The box” for most is the socioeconomic , political, economic, and geographical environment one functions within. Critical thinking and empathy help push one outside that box.

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    Ugh. I remember when there was solid automotive discussion on this site and industry insiders would routinely post. Now we have a political circle jerk. Can we do something mods?

    • 0 avatar
      Superdessucke

      Agreed, though this post a tough one to be non-political on, as it relates to a political endorsement.

      But automotively speaking, I believe that this endorsement is not in the best interest of American autoworkers, simply due to the Democratic party’s track record on trade and its embrace of globalization, which has cost high paying unionized manufacturing jobs in the U.S. auto industry. Even CNN conceded as much in an article today, and they despise Trump with the intensity of a billion suns.

      “Biden, as a senator from Delaware, voted to grant China permanent normal trading relations during the Clinton administration — a move that unleashed the Asian giant’s economy but also added to the rush of US manufacturing jobs abroad.”

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/politics/trump-biden-china-2020/index.html

      The article further acknowledges the policy of appeasement of China during the Obama era to avoid confrontation. Putting two and two together, we can reasonably expect China to grow more powerful through manufacturing advantages and us to grow weaker should he win.

      I get why the UAW is endorsing this bozo but I wish they’d break from the traditional Democrat/Labor marriage, which for decades has been an abusive one.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        I just don’t see these Union endorsements carrying the weight they once did but given how close Michigan was in 2016, who knows. But at the end of the day, who cares…you are getting a moron no matter which one wins.

        • 0 avatar
          Superdessucke

          I’d rather have a moron who takes apart China than one who cowers in front of it. We’re going to be in sad shape if Biden wins.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Yes, do tell us all about the great shape we’re in now…

            I’ll wait

            Anyone taking bets on an upcoming war action to divert attention away from the current mess?

          • 0 avatar
            JimZ

            “Anyone taking bets on an upcoming war action to divert attention away from the current mess?”

            pretty good odds. we’re out of bread (so they say) so here comes the next circus.

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      Art,

      I’m a headphone nerd. I love ’em and when I get around other headphone nerds, all we talk about are ‘phones, amps, great music and whiskey. We do argue about tubes v solid state and digital v vinyl, but that’s about all we argue about…

      I would never assume anyone here enjoys talking about that crap, but for some reason, the political rabbit hole is like catnip to a lot of people both on this blog and pretty much everywhere and like this gd virus, it’s everywhere.

      People need to stfu and stop assuming everyone else wants to hear their idiotic views. Whether you think Trump hung the moon or should hung in the gallows, can we all agree to stop bringing up this crap?

      If I can hold back sharing my disgust, so can the rest of you. Yeah, yeah, the article is about UAW supporting the Democratic nominee. FFS, can we keep it to that???

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        Oh, not so much headphones, but I am a Hi-Fi nerd for sure. My ears ring pretty good but I still love playing with golden era and even later high end stuff. With respect to your discussions:

        Digital v. Vinyl – Digital. My preferred music is firmly CD era so that is just how it is supposed to sound and even if the threshold is higher on vinyl, you have to spend so much to get what is there beyond a CD that it isn’t worth it.

        Tubes v. Solid State – Solid State. I am a Pioneer man and there golden era is firmly a Solid State affair. That and I won’t kill myself working on Solid State gear which isn’t a given with Tubes. I have a tube amp…it is an old RCA that I keep because it is what my family back in the day heard the news that Pearl Harbor had been bombed on, but it isn’t currently working.

        Whiskey – Blanton’s Bourbon

        My most expensive headphones are Bose noise cancelling. No, I am not saying they are in any way, shape, or form a top tier headphone, but they are quite good at drowning out aircraft noise. I have a set of Berrydynamic DT-770’s (250 Ohm) that I use with my set up that sound better, but are far from getting into headphone nerd conversations lol. I had an 80 ohm set back when I had LG phones with the good DAC in them, but as I have a pixel right now my mobile audio is crap and best left to my old iPod mini i upgraded the drive in. Long Live the Click Wheel and they had a decent DAC in them.

        But if you want to see a truly toxic online discussion, go to a Hi-Fi board and tell them how great your Bose 901’s sound and watch the place burn.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Wow, Art, totally agree on your HiFi choices, I just wish we could get better sound quality over the internet

          … and this

          “But if you want to see a truly toxic online discussion, go to a Hi-Fi board and tell them how great your Bose 901’s sound and watch the place burn.”

          You’d have to be out of your mind to overpay for crappy Bose speakers. Lol

          • 0 avatar
            golden2husky

            I’ll concur. Bose sucks.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            I have some 301s I inherited and rebuilt. Given very exacting conditions I like them. They are overpriced however, yes.

            But I mean they all have there ups and downs. Vegas aren’t good for much other than letting half of your home city rock out to your Van Halen, but man they are great at that. I keep a pair around for when I am in that sort of mood but typically Alice in Chains is my era

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Well, free is ok, but I built my own towers to my own specs and couldn’t be happier :)

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          All right, here’s an opinion which will easily be more controversial than my political opinions:

          Not only is solid state best, digital is best. At least when done well.

          I’ve never heard more precise or revealing sound than a SACD connected by FireWire to a Sony S-Master Pro conversionless digital amp. I don’t have that equipment at home, but I do hang on to an S-Master Pro ES receiver through which ordinary CDs (and lossless rips of them), piped in via SPDIF, sound sensational. I have heard a whole lot of very expensive separates that can’t come close to matching it. Fu^k D/A converters.

          Speakers are an old set of Infinity Renaissance 80s with the famous EMIT planar tweeters in a dipole arrangement. Speakers are far better than headphones for most music, but if I have to listen through headphones I have a pair of midrange Sennheisers that do a decent job.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            That opinion is only controversial among hipsters and people that spent a ton on a turntable because they read on a forum it sounds better and now seek to justify the purchase @Dal.

            Digital (I guess I should specify lossless before someone jumps in with “But muh EmmPeeThree”) is best. The same all in on vinyl crowd is now on the Cassette bandwagon and will argue all day that tapes “can” sound better than CD. Sure, if I hit the CD up with some 80 grit and run it through an 80’s telephone speaker.

            All of the Vinyl/Tube arguments tend to fall back to phrases like “Warmer”…Never “More faithful reproduction of the sound” Maybe if I have 75 grand to spend on a turntable and tube rig it would sound better. Or maybe there is no way I’d admit that I spent 75 grand and couldn’t tell the difference…who knows. Some hipster’s Crossley certainly doesn’t sound better.

            I am curious how much new vinyl ever gets played. I know of at least 3 folks that got The White Album as a gift and have never spun it.

            I am a native format sort though. I have some records, but it is stuff like Hotel California and things from that era that was mastered and mixed for vinyl. Also have some cassettes, but that is mainly just stuff I have had for 20+ years. But I am not running out to grab “Nevermind” or “Dirt” on vinyl. That is idiotic.

  • avatar
    forward_look

    “He may be a sonofabitch, but he’s our sonofabitch.”

  • avatar
    forward_look

    Brian Carroll. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Solidarity_Party

    Or that Starbucks guy.

    • 0 avatar
      JimZ

      “Christian Democratic”

      no thanks.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        So is it only Bigotry when its a toothless redneck proclaiming he won’t support a Muslim then?

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @Art Vandelay – valid point!

        • 0 avatar
          Superdessucke

          To be a true liberal caricature, you have to hate Christians, don’t you know? They stole stuff from the Indians and caused the Spanish Flu and all, or whatever the latest talking point their professors are spouting.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “or whatever the latest talking point their professors are spouting.”

            On the subject of liberal/conservative caricatures…….. isn’t a distrust of those with education a stereotype of those on the right?
            Discussing historical events i.e. “stole stuff from the Indians” is valid and must be taken into consideration when one tries to deal with conditions facing “Indians” in the present.
            “Spouting” is a term used when one doesn’t have a valid rebuttal targeting what “they” don’t agree with.

        • 0 avatar
          JimZ

          I don’t care what faith you belong to, if one at all. I do care when your party bases its platform on any particular faith.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @JimZ – COVID-45 is agnostic. He’ll pander to any cause that supports him.

          • 0 avatar
            Superdessucke

            It’s a stereotype for a very good reason. It’s true. Academia is dominated by those with leftist views.

            “Spouting” in this context means they do it in an environment where there’s no opposition. Opposition tends to get shouted down or marginalized in the U.S. university setting, particularly now.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            @Super, I kick around going back for my Doctorate. I have been on campus recently so I know what I’d be getting into. Plus I have some GI Bill to still use. I am not a Liberal Arts type so I could avoid some of it. At the end of the day though, it does little for me career wise and my friends that have done it agree it is politically charged at those levels. Still, one is a staunch conservative and he got through, though he did have to just put his head down and shut up. Honestly though, from my seat right now, the paper isn’t worth the effort and hassle…even at no cost. That I feel says more about the state of secondary education than anything right now. Inflation adjusted, never has a degree cost so much and been worth so little in real earning potential. Tech continues to value them less and less. At least in my field, experience and certifications are king. We actually just adjusted our pay bands to reflect this. Fortunately I am old and have both.

          • 0 avatar
            Superdessucke

            I truly believe that the Republicans’ greatest failing in our country during the last three to four decades was not keeping counter conservative voices in our institutions of higher learning. It didn’t seem they as a group had much interest in doing that. The result has been a new generation of young college students and graduates with a very myopic view on things, and very little tolerance for any views which differ from theirs.

            Maybe our progressive posters will cite various examples of known conservative professors. That’s fine. There are some. But on the whole, our universities are strongly liberal biased, and almost exclusively so at many of our elite institutions.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            Here is an interesting read as to the “leanings” of academia.

            https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/02/27/research-confirms-professors-lean-left-questions-assumptions-about-what-means

  • avatar
    ajla

    You guys need to relax. This thread is completely ridiculous.

  • avatar

    Regarding my previous Biden comment – it was a joke. Why you guys are taking everything so seriously to the point of starting civil war. For Biden? I have a suggestion for you: put your money where your mouth is and start buying UAW made vehicles if you are so affectionate about Biden and his son.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    This article is click bait. I wish this article was not posted because this encourages more partisan attacks instead of car discussions. Unfortunately the COVID-19 has encouraged nightly political campaigning by our President and I would be saying this even if he was a Democrat. Let’s get back to more articles about cars.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @Jeff S – true but media outlets are competing for clicks which in turn affect revenue generation. COVID-19 is the dominant topic on people’s minds. A distraction from that would be nice.

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