By on May 17, 2018

traffic

There’s a long list of things other drivers do that piss us off. It’s longer than long. If written on parchment, the scroll would unroll past the horizon, then drop of the edge of the earth, plummeting through the weightless vacuum of space for all eternity.

Yesterday, or perhaps the day before (who keep track of days? It’s 2018), I was reminded of a challenger for the “Biggest Dick Move” podium. It’s one you’re probably all too well aware of.

You’re waiting at a light, the light goes green, and suddenly……not half a second later…

…as your left foot moves upward towards the engagement point…

…and as your right foot lifts off the brake…

An immediate honk from the Tiguan or RAV4 or Crosstrek or whatever ubiquitous crossover sitting directly behind you.

The thing is, I wasn’t off in la-la land, thinking about Meghan Markle, trees, fruit pies, or the inescapable certainty of death. I was in just as much of a rush, my eyes locked on that traffic signal, waiting for the light to change. This means, of course, that the driver behind me had his or her hand poised over the horn, eyes also locked on the signal, ready and waiting to honk no matter how quickly I reacted. Green means honk.

It’s such an obnoxious move, but it seems to be growing in popularity. While I consider myself to be very conscientious of other drivers’ time (as well as my own), I’m also willing to give the driver ahead of me a few lengthy seconds to notice the light change before pounding the center of that circular object in front of me. This isn’t New York City; honking is uncouth around these parts. It might even indicate the presence of mental illness.

Obviously, this ranks among the lesser annoyances you’ll face on the road. No one’s going to die a fiery death because of an impatient honk, though I suppose heart attacks can’t be ruled out. It’s just so infuriating, like responding to a fleshed-out argument riddled with statistics with “Cool story, bro.”

What say you? Are instances of “instant honk” on the rise, and does it deserve a spot atop the podium of assholery?

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241 Comments on “QOTD: Is This the Most Obnoxious Thing Another Driver Can Do?...”


  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Most obnoxious move ever:

    You’re in the left lane on the freeway. Some idiot goes over two lanes to get into the left lane, cuts you off, and then goes slow.

    I’ll resist the temptation to generalize about the car make most often associated with this move here in Denver.

  • avatar

    The most obnoxious thing is when a distracted, texting driver wastes an entire left arrow (the most valuable traffic commodity) because they’re a distracted idiot.

    Second prize goes to the person behind them, who is too meek to honk at them through the entire arrow.

    I can’t police their attention when I’m three cars away.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      I usually give these guys a couple of short bursts on the horn versus the long foghorn treatment. Kind of a polite reminder. People even wave.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      Related to this is that person who won’t move into the intersection when the light is green without the arrow. There’s an intersection near my house where the arrow doesn’t come on sometimes. There are people who will sit there for an entire light cycle without moving forward, because they’re afraid to move beyond the white line. The oncoming traffic, and no green arrow, means they’re unwilling to turn left on yellow when the oncoming traffic stops.

      • 0 avatar

        Yes, this too.

        “I’m skeered!”
        “What do I do without a green arrow!?”

      • 0 avatar
        brickgeek

        That is a surefire way to get hit in Phoenix. After too many close calls with red-light runners and ignorant people jackrabbiting the green…I won’t do it anymore.

        I’ll set safely in the turn lane until a safe gap is presented, or I’ll wait for the arrow. Only takes getting hit once to burn the time saved trying to sneak through the yellows.

        • 0 avatar
          TMA1

          Mind you, it does take a modicum of being involved in the driving process to make a left turn without an arrow. That person up front has to be able to make that turn once it’s clear that oncoming traffic is slowing down and no one’s trying to make it through the yellow.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        There are a lot of intersections in this part of Denver that are pretty dangerous – two or three lanes of oncoming traffic, two turn lanes, and a 45-50 mph speed limit. Often times, if there are large vehicles in the oncoming left turn lanes, you can’t see oncoming traffic. In cases like that, I tend to wait for the arrow if I don’t have a clear view of what’s coming my way. Getting t-boned can ruin your whole day.

      • 0 avatar
        redgolf

        here i thought that not moving up in an intersection to turn left was just a southern thing! or maybe it’s drivers that are too old to be driving, or too timid or too phone distracted or too inexperienced or just too dumb! yeah, one of my big obnoxious dislikes, ya hate to honk for fear you’ll cause them to crash so ya sit there like a big dummy that they are! waiting to turn on red is another one, this one deserving of a toot or two providing they have more than the ample time! expect a wave or finger in the process though! maybe New Jersey has a good thing, no left hand turns at lights, ya have to turn right and do a loop around to turn left!

        • 0 avatar
          TMA1

          I didn’t realize it was a problem in the south. Around here, it’s more of an immigrant thing, people just not familiar with the unwritten norms of American driving.

          Move up when the light goes green, even if there is oncoming traffic!

      • 0 avatar
        Daniel J

        At least here, if on a left yielded green, and the light turns yellow..to red and don’t clear the intersection before the light turns red, is considered running a red light.

      • 0 avatar
        TDIGuy

        “that person who won’t move into the intersection when the light is green”

        Or the opposite, the person who moves TOO FAR out without starting their turn. Thereby blocking oncoming left-turn traffic from being able to see around them without rising poking your nose into oncoming traffic.

    • 0 avatar
      01 Deville

      Agreed. I do honk even if I am 3-4 cars behind and I don’t see the first car move out into intersection after 15-20 seconds.

    • 0 avatar
      HuskyHawk

      This and a dozen variations on it. Some people are just slow. Maybe they want to avoid “jack rabbit starts” and save gas. At a left arrow, your obligation is to ensure that as many people behind you as possible get through. It is a sacred duty.

      • 0 avatar
        TMA1

        I agree. It’s something you owe to other drivers. As George Costanza once said, “We’re living in a society!”

      • 0 avatar
        jkross22

        Wholeheartedly agree. It’s sad that this article takes the view that the driver doing the honking is the problem as opposed to those not paying attention.

      • 0 avatar
        MBella

        I have a similar thing that grinds my gears. Is there some law that says only one car can be in the process of completing a left turn on a green arrow? You send it all the time. The arrow turns green. The first car starts their turn. The car behind him pulls up to the white line and patiently waits until the first car has completed their turn and is going straight. If the interval is long enough sometimes you see this repeat a few times before the light turns red.

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        Probably the same thing which precipitated the 50mph merge into 70+ mph freeway traffic!

        • 0 avatar
          blppt

          That one really irks me. There’s no excuse nowadays with the abundance of horsepower and quick acting transmissions with many gears for somebody to NOT be up to the speed of the road they are trying to merge into (assuming its not one of those incredible dangerous short merges like on the Merritt Parkway).

          And yet, people dilly dally using mild acceleration so that by the time they’re ready to merge, they’re only 15mph under the speed of traffic. Then they give you a dirty look for not slamming your brakes to let them in after refusing to press the gas pedal in their own cars.

      • 0 avatar
        larrystew

        THIS. THIS. THIS.

    • 0 avatar
      rcx141

      I count to 4, and honk. Need to do that probably at 1 in 10 lights, so many people are distracted by their phones.

  • avatar
    MrGreenMan

    There is an outside chance the honk may be indicative of somebody proceeding through on the red. Better safe than sorry!

    Therefore, in this situation, place your car into park, visibly check left and right (be sure it’s good and clear now), and then get back into gear.

    This will allow them to honk three, four, five times, which should get them some much needed emotional catharsis.

    • 0 avatar
      cdotson

      Related to this, my father relayed a situation that occurred when his father was teaching him to drive. Crazy honker wouldn’t let off the horn so Gramps put the car in park and sat still staring at the green light showing no emotion at all, occasionally checking for traffic while lunatic honked away. When the light turned yellow he dropped into gear and took off like a bat out of hell, leaving the crazed honker at the red light.

      • 0 avatar
        krhodes1

        If you honk at me the instant the light turns green, you WILL be sitting through at least one entire further light cycle if I am not in a hurry, and if I am in kind of a hurry I will mosey along so slowly you would think I was a 3yo on a tricycle.

  • avatar
    jmo

    The no reason highway brakers. Long stretch of open freeway and…brake…brake…….brake. You know the car slows down if you take your foot off the gas, right?

    It really drives me crazy because of how much it contributes to traffic waves.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_wave

    I really want to pull these people over and ask them what the F they are doing.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      The traffic wave phenomenon is absolutely BRUTAL here in Denver – stuff like curves in the road and hills are enough to jack things up for miles behind. It’s a product of stupid drivers and outmoded road design.

      • 0 avatar
        jd418197

        Driving in Denver in general is absolutely BRUTAL. Self-righteousness of Subaru driving “natives” in the left lane aside, I’ve never seen anything like the constant slowness. It’s not rhe volume of cars causing the traffic; it realy is driver slowness.

        That said, the most obnoxious move is always the phone driver.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          I’ve been here 23 years, and it’s gotten exponentially worse. I mean, you’re at a dead stop on 25 through downtown…at 3pm on a Sunday. Just ridiculous.

          The basic highway system was laid out for a city of 750,000, and now we have around 3 million people. It’s L.A., in miniature. They can do whatever improvements they want to 25 and 70 – there simply isn’t enough highway capacity for this many people, and even if people didn’t go all torches-and-pitchforks over tax increases for highway funding (which they will), you could probably land a whole colony on Mars for what it’d cost to build the system we’d need. People whine about RTD, but without it, this city’s boned.

          The traffic alone wants me to relocate.

          • 0 avatar
            MBella

            The traffic wave thing is really bad here in Washington state as well. “Look a car is on the shoulder, I better slow down in the opposite lane”

      • 0 avatar
        I_like_stuff

        Everyone thinks their city’s traffic is the worst and their city drivers are the worst drivers. Every big city in the country has horrible, awful, no good traffic. At 4pm you’re standing still on a freeway in Denver, Seattle, LA, Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, you name it.

      • 0 avatar
        ktm

        They must be California transplants. I swear very few people here know that you don’t have to slow down on the highway when going through a curve or up a hill.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      This is the first one I thought of. Tap… tap… tap… The worst is when there’s no one even in front of them for a mile.

      “Whoops, 66 in a 65!” Tap… tap… tap…

      Also prevalent when going downhill.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “Tap… tap… tap…”

        I see that all of the time in the winter. People in “modern” ABS equipped vehicles “pumping” their brakes on more slippery surfaces. Pumping is highly ineffective with ABS and was proven to be ineffective even with non-ABS vehicles.

        • 0 avatar
          TMA1

          It’s true that this happens in winter, but I don’t think they’re “pumping” the brakes in the old sense of the word, to make them more effective. They probably have no idea that there ever was such a thing.

          Brake tappers are just people afraid to drive. They bought a car (SUV) that’s way too big and powerful for them to handle comfortably, so they tap, tap, tap instead, to keep it under control.

          • 0 avatar

            What’s especially nice with brake tapping now is a “feature” on new CUVs. Have you seen this?

            Each new braking instance causes a 3x flash of the CHMSL. It’s incredibly distracting. Have seen it on new Honda and Toyota/Lexus CUVs, and I really hope it doesn’t catch on.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Corey, I really think as an industry they are going to start talking themselves out of sales.

          • 0 avatar
            JMII

            I was complaining about this in a previous post… its like people don’t know their vehicle can COAST. I’ve seen people clearly tap their brakes for NO apparent reason at all. Makes me go crazy. I almost immediately pass these people because they clearly can’t drive and I have no idea if the next tap is serious or not. I honestly believe they can’t figure out what to do with their foot as its either on the gas, or on the brake. They can’t just lift off the gas and coast to control their speed. These people are perfect for those hybrids with aggressive regeneration systems that automatically slow the car as soon as you stop accelerating. At least this way they don’t have to tap the brakes anymore!

          • 0 avatar

            I wonder if most consumers are even aware enough to realize such an annoying/dangerous flashing feature.

            It’s impossible to direct attention anywhere else besides the glaring red LED flashing in front of you. This will cause accidents.

          • 0 avatar
            TMA1

            Corey, the flickering brake lights… I haven’t seen any of these on new SUVs lately. I have seen them on plenty of old Civics and other boy-racer cars. I don’t know where this idea came from, but damn is it annoying.

            Please, F&F types, just go back to neon under your car.

          • 0 avatar
            TMA1

            JMII, you’re not alone – I also pass these people. No point in getting stuck behind someone who doesn’t know how their vehicle operates, or is afraid of it.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            @Corey

            Well, if we apply the bell curve I’d say only the top 10% notice and are annoyed by such a feature. However of that 10%, how many of those are
            a percentage of regular or semi-regular buyers?

            Industry: Stop doing dumb sh!t just to say you have a new “feature”.

          • 0 avatar
            dukeisduke

            The pulsing CHMSL thing is a dealer F&I scam. I see lots of Hyundais and Kias with them. When I first saw one, I thought they looked interesting, so I started doing some research. One of the vendors is Pulse Products, and they don’t sell to individuals, only to dealers: “By distributing through qualified automobile dealerships, we can maintain our high quality standards.” Uh-huh.

            And the cost? “Pulse is fairly inexpensive, typically adding only about $5 to your monthly car payment.”. So, do the math – $5 month x 60 months is $300. Three hundred bucks, for a pulsing third brake light.

          • 0 avatar

            This is good info on this flashing. Now that I know it’s a scam profit center, I can be even more critical of it.

          • 0 avatar
            28-Cars-Later

            Nice post Dukeisduke.

          • 0 avatar
            JohnTaurus

            I saw it on a late 1990s Pathfinder, only it kept flashing so long as he held the brakes. Which, of course, he did all the time without cause to.

            I was once told that the city of Atlanta made it mandatory for all new cars for a period of time, then discontinued it. Not sure about that.

        • 0 avatar
          ttacgreg

          I spike my brakes in the winter all the time,it keeps me in touch with how much traction I have. If I spike the brake pedal and I hurts no discernible deceleration it’s time to gently ease off. It’s especially useful in determining whether you have naked pavement or black ice.

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            With nobody behind, of course!

            I do the same!

            ABS twists my ankle into knots..uhhhh..prolly should slow down!

          • 0 avatar
            pragmatic

            One of the many reason I prefer a manual transmission. I check traction by accelerating, which I find better than braking. If I can’t momentarily increase speed there is too little traction. When done on an automatic the downshift messes up the test.

      • 0 avatar
        blppt

        “Also prevalent when going downhill.”

        I cant believe nobody mentioned the new active cruise control systems which actually brake for you going downhill–if these are newer cars you see doing this, that may be the reason.

        It happens when I set the cruise in my 2017 A3–theres apparently no way to disable the downhill braking to make it operate like the cruise controls of yesteryear, i.e. coasting.

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      My daughter and I encountered a brake tapper in the left lane Sunday. When she went around him, I looked over and he was fully engaged in texting.

    • 0 avatar
      HuskyHawk

      Yes. This is awful. It is made worse by the fact that most people follow too close and must cascade the braking back.

    • 0 avatar
      Russycle

      When I was in college, I had a friend who was very smart but socially challenged. We took his car on a road trip once, his SOP was: Accelerate….braaaaake….Accelerate….braaaaake. For One. Hundred. Miles.

    • 0 avatar
      Bill

      MY sister is a no reason highway braker. She is so panicky when she drives on the highway and can’t hold a steady speed and won’t use the cruise control. And she doesn’t just touch the brakes, she stabs them. Gas, brake, gas, brake, gas, brake to maintain a 45 mph average on a 65 mph road.

      And driving in Denver is terrible with the traffic waves. One time I was driving on the Cherry Creek Dam road, and as I got on at the Greenwood Village end I saw the wave ahead as cars started and stopped. I set my cruise control at about 31 mph and would catch the wave, then the wave would pull away 30-40 car lengths, I’d catch it again as they stopped. The whole time I stayed at a steady 31 mph. Staying at a steady speed worked on the Dam road since it is only one lane in each direction with no passing. Unfortunately I can’t do that on I-25 since if I leave more than 1/2 car length following distance someone is bound to cut in.

      I’ve lived in the Denver area my whole life (I’m 38) and as bad as traffic is now I can’t imagine how bad it would be if they hadn’t done the T-REX project 15 years ago. I remember taking 225 south onto 25 south and needing to exit at Belleview. That was a challenging task a lot of the time for my teenage self, and would probably be impossible now if they hadn’t redone that interchange.

      • 0 avatar
        krhodes1

        I do this on Rt128 in Mass in bad traffic. You would think that people would cut in but they actually rarely do. Which is why I say if you are constantly shifting driving a manual in heavy traffic, you are doing it wrong.

        What DOES happen when I do this is some woman in an SUV (and it is ALWAYS a woman in a SUV) will be behind me going absolutely ballistic because I am not running right up the tailpipe of the car in front. It’s utterly hilarious that they can’t see that I am going the exact average speed of traffic while expending very little effort on my part.

  • avatar
    Eggshen2013

    Throwing their McDonalds garbage into the street!

  • avatar
    raph

    Easily the most obnoxious driving behavior in my book are the ASSHOLES that pull out in front of you distance be damned and just ease up to speed requiring you to brake and sometimes brake hard.

    It is doubly insulting when there is no traffic behind you so they could have waited for you to pass.

    That said if the driver makes an honest attempt to get up to speed all with some alacrity then all sins are forgiven.

    • 0 avatar
      paxman356

      I have one that is even worse. Once they pull off this move, they immediately turn left, with a lot of oncoming traffic, and a mile of empty highway behind you.

      Yes, this has happened to me.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      Same with the ones who pull out to pass a slower car, then lock right on to the speed limit, in the left lane, WITHOUT attempting to pass the car to the right, just as you’re about to pass..

      ..and there’s an entire AREA CODE of open road behind you!!!

      • 0 avatar
        ttacgreg

        Winner! Yup how many times on the Interstae some one matches my speed to get in the left lane in front of me to pass a slower vehicle and then slows down and creep by the slower vehicle. GRRRRRR!

  • avatar
    30-mile fetch

    “instant honk” barely registers in my top 20. I actually feel a slight kinship with that person because I know they at least are paying attention and are tired of people cooking off the left turn light and causing others behind them to wait another cycle. Some of whom then run that light so blatantly red that people like me charge out into the intersection with the horn blaring because my light has been green for several seconds. This is responded to by a rude gesture and a “F- you!” delivered so rapidly that they obviously had chambered that round in anticipation of the criticism. Quickest way to turn a normal person into loathsome scum is to put us into a car.

    You want to know my new #1 D*ckhead Move? I just saw this the other day. Big black Silverado with aftermarket wheels (of course) doesn’t want to wait for red lights. So he cruises up to the intersection in the right turn lane, then cuts through the intersection in a short right-then-left arc. This was the severest reduction of making a U-turn I’ve ever seen, he barely cleared the crosswalk. Did it 3 intersections in a row and still couldn’t get more than 15-20 seconds ahead of us proles. Mandatory vasectomy for Silverado Dude! Your genes suck!

    • 0 avatar

      Excellent choice, sir. May I add to the list the person who chooses to run down the shoulder because they’re more important than the rest of us and then beg for mercy from some overly kind soul ahead to integrate back into traffic when the shoulder disappears. Absolute scum.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @30-mile fetch – I see that occasionally too but a much more common move is to weave in and out of traffic to gain a car length.
      I hate construction or accident scenes where traffic has to be funneled into one lane. There are people who are courteous and let you in. Some will try to bully their way in. I was heading home a few days ago and there was a car crash at a meridian one hundred meters ahead of the traffic light I was stopped at. The inside lane was blocked by a firetruck with one firefighter acting as a flagman. The Audi SUV next to me in the inside lane mashed the throttle to get in front of me which was no big deal. The moron behind wasn’t paying attention and didn’t try that move until they spotted the firetruck. I stayed at my speed and they started flipping me the bird and yelling and swearing at me for not letting them in. I was still a cab length ahead of them so it was really my turn at the one lane. I had to laugh when I looked behind me and the 6 or so vehicles behind me did not let her in.

    • 0 avatar
      RHD

      I’m going to make a used-motor-oil gun and inconspicuously mount it just above my rear bumper. It would be perfect for tailgaters and idiots like Silverado Guy.

  • avatar

    I’ve a lot of two lane twisty roads in my area, with limited passing, due to the age of the layout……

    First moron … We call them 20-40. The road is set with a 35 or 45 mph limit. You can roll it without testing your G-Meter at 40. This person slows to 20 for every curve, hits 40 in the straights, but back to 20. I have one road where this can double your time and turn a simple roll into a way too interactive session.

    Second moron…45 or 50 limit. Goes 35 the whole way (I’m talking 8 miles of road, no legal or even sensible passing). When you FINALLY get to that two lanes, this guy will gas it and your 35-60 pass becomes a full on 50-75 pass. Worst, if you don’t pass him now, you’ll be behind him another 5 miles at 35 mph. Why don’t they just roll at or near the limit ? Don’t get it and needless drama.

    • 0 avatar
      HuskyHawk

      I suffer from this. Anyone going below the limit causes a long line of cars to form. The limit is really the minimum on these roads.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @speedlaw – I hate that too. I’ll never forget the time I was a kid with my dad in one of his dump-trucks. His Mack was set up for off-highway hauling so only had a top speed of 63 mph. We were on a winding road and got trapped behind a motorhome travelling at 30-40 mph. Every straight stretch, the tourist would gun it to 65 mph. My dad could easily maintain 60 mph on all but the tighter corners. He knew the road well and decided to lag back and hit an upcoming corner that opened up to straight. He timed it to exit at 63 mph onto the straight. It worked and he got ahead of the tourist and turned on his right turn signal. The tourist kept it floored and would not let my dad in. My did gently eased over. I was looking out at the tourist and his eyes got huge and the colour drained from his face as that steel gravel box got closer and closer to his window. The guy lost his nerve and slowed down. The guy knew he was being a dick since he never once hit his horn.
      If I am travelling slower than the typical flow of traffic, I will try to speed up to stay out of their way and then let them pass as soon as safely possible.

      • 0 avatar
        JohnTaurus

        “If I am travelling slower than the typical flow of traffic, I will try to speed up to stay out of their way and then let them pass as soon as safely possible.”

        As do I. Any sensible person would, barring some valid reason not to (car having trouble so unsafe/unable to drive faster, or some other such circumstances).

        If I have to, or I accidentally, pull out in front of someone, I don’t poke along at 35…..40………..45…….46… in a 55 zone until I finally get up to speed in 2 mile’s distance, just as the first available passing zone approaches. I get the hell out of the way. I will attain a reasonable speed as soon as possible (not necessarily flooring it unless conditions call for it, but pretty strong acceleration regardless) and let them pass if they want once we are out of town/on a straight away/etc.

        Its the same if someone catches me on a two lane. 65 in a 55 isn’t fast enough? Go for it, I won’t lose a wink of sleep over you taking your bright yellow Dodge Ram up to 75 and getting out of my way. We like to call you guys “bear traps”. I love to come over a hill and see one hemmed up by the local LEO/Stater after doing crap like that. I admit, I’ve driven a lot faster than I should have at times, I don’t do it as often anymore, but if I do, I won’t cry because I got caught. If I or you want to take a risk of a ticket or an accident, we must accept the consequences.

        • 0 avatar
          BobNelson

          “Its the same if someone catches me on a two lane. 65 in a 55 isn’t fast enough? Go for it, I won’t lose a wink of sleep over you taking your bright yellow Dodge Ram up to 75 and getting out of my way. We like to call you guys “bear traps”.”

          Yay!

        • 0 avatar
          Silent Ricochet

          It really gets under some people’s skin when you pass them. I have no idea why.

          I’ve seen a growing trend lately where if I legally pass someone, whether in the left lane on highway or in a passing zone on a back road, the person will honk for 1-2 seconds. I’m not sure if it’s out of anger or to let me know that they’re there, but it’s definitely stupid. Some will even honk as soon as I put my blinker on. Why are you honking at a car behind you? If you’re so aware of me indicating to pass you, why aren’t you aware of your inability to travel at a normal speed? So many questions.

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            If I’m in the left lane, and I see someone coming up behind, I’ll go 15 or 20 over, if need be, to get the he11 out of their way! It’s called lane discipline!

            When we took driver’s ed. out of the schools…!

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus

      I had a woman in an Terrain do that on some S curves. There weren’t even cautionary speed limits for these curves. I’ve taken them at 60 in a vehicle that would probably make a UPS truck feel dynamically superior. These corners are NOT that bad. She slows to 25 – 35 (speed limit 55). I didn’t ride her bumper, I didn’t honk, and never flashed my lights. I did nothing aggressive whatsoever. Then a passing zone comes, so I signal, pull out, pass and continue on my way. I didn’t cut close to her vehicle, again, no aggressiveness whatsoever in my driving mannerisms. I even signaled when I re-entered the correct lane after clearing her with lots of room to spare. A couple of sweeping curves later, she flys up on my bumper, hits her highbeams, and sits there. I set the cruise on 63ish and left it there. There were passing zones literally miles long, but she wouldn’t pass, just stayed there with her brights on for about 13 miles.

      Did you get so offended that you got passed that you had to blind me and oncoming for that long? What if I was blinded by her lights and didn’t see a car pull out? Or I veer into the oncoming lane? I adjusted my mirrors so those things didn’t happen, but my point is it was very possible. Pure ego. How DARE you pass me as I was driving almost unsafely slow. Feel the wrath of my Sylvanias.

      • 0 avatar
        Silent Ricochet

        It really gets under some people’s skin when you pass them. I have no idea why.

        I’ve seen a growing trend lately where if I legally pass someone, whether in the left lane on highway or in a passing zone on a back road, the person will honk for 1-2 seconds. I’m not sure if it’s out of anger or to let me know that they’re there, but it’s definitely stupid. Some will even honk as soon as I put my blinker on. Why are you honking at a car behind you? If you’re so aware of me indicating to pass you, why aren’t you aware of your inability to travel at a normal speed? So many questions.

        • 0 avatar
          sgeffe

          Have been passed by folks with my cruise on 63 in a two-lane 55.

          Fvck ‘em! Their ticket, not mine!

          And amazing how that same speed is just as reasonable on that same type of road with a 60mph limit (if the jurisdiction actually set the limit at the 85th-percentile speed as per federal guidelines!)

        • 0 avatar
          JohnTaurus

          Silent Rocket: riding with my (mid-70s) dad is excruciating at times. One of his habits is riding up to someone before signalling and passing (multi-lane). He sets the cruise on a reasonable speed, 5 or so miles above the limit in good weather and light traffic. Why he chooses to get so close, I don’t know. Sont get me wrong, its not as close as some would get, but closer than he should.

          Your paragraph about some one honking as you pass them reminded me of him doing that, because I keep waiting for the day when some middle-of-a-bad-divorce dad reacts to him doing that. Assuming you’re not doing that, lol, perhaps there is something about your vehicle they’re signalling. Maybe you have a headlight pointed too high so it blinds them, assuming you’re not one to run with brights on all the time (don’t get me started, I hate highbeam abuse lol). I don’t know what it would be, but I’d check my vehicle real well for any lights out or stuff hanging underneath*. Who knows? Could be pure random.

          *the Other day while driving on an interstate in a pretty large city, a new bodystyle Altima came flying past us making a horrible sound. Underneath the car was something dragging, I would have thought it was the under-body aero cladding or whatever it is, but it was a higher pitched noise like it was metal scraping the surface. Anyway, judging by our speed and the rate at which it passed us, it must have been doing 80 at least. It was very loud; my cousin, who was driving, said something to the effect of “they must hear it”. Yeah, we heard it before they overtook us. Drive it like you stole it?
          Behind it, about half a car length, was a newer F-150, an Escalade, etc. It was astounding and hilarious. What better lead car to attract the cops than one emitting an obnoxious noise? The rest of the speeders were all but assured of safe passage.

          • 0 avatar
            Vulpine

            In your gran’daddy’s day, tootin’ the horn as you begin a pass was considered a courtesy… because few cars had side mirrors and that blind spot was much, MUCH bigger than the car occupying it. Normally, you were also on a two-lane highway and you wanted to be sure they were aware you were attempting to pass so they wouldn’t speed up on you or even attempt their own pass. Today is different.

            Today if you were to signal someone that you wanted to pass, as often as not they’d try to block you; either by speeding up or even changing lanes on you. (I can’t tell you how many times people have tried that on me, no matter what I was driving.) If I’m on the freeway and I start a pass, if they speed up and continue to accelerate while I’m trying to pass, I’m usually willing to back off and resume normal speed. However, if they then slow back down to where they forced me to pull out the first time, I don’t give them a chance to speed up and block me, accelerating quickly and getting past them before they’re fully aware of my maneuver. Depending on traffic, I usually end up leaving them hung up behind another car or truck and drop back to my own speed once the pass is completed and I’ve put a few car lengths between us. Only rarely has it gone beyond that and if there’s a third shot, I just lag back until another opportunity arises where I can leave them hung out to dry before they can make another attempt. (Wolfpacks are a good thing, if you know how to use them.)

      • 0 avatar

        John: in situations like that I wish I could adjust my rear view mirror with enough precision to direct the glare back at the driver with the high beams on. There have been times I must have gotten close as they either switched to low beams or backed off.

        • 0 avatar
          JohnTaurus

          Excellent idea. Seems I’ve heard it before, but didn’t think about it that night.

          I bet if I had a white LED light bar mounted on the rear parcel shelf, it would cease to be a problem in no time.

          (Of course I’m joking; it would be justice, but highly unsafe.)

          • 0 avatar
            Vulpine

            Real cheap option you can use that’s perfectly legal: Get the red/white striped reflector tape and put a strip right along the top of your back window. If their headlights hit it, they’ll get a very bright glare right in their eyes. They’ll dim down just to cut the glare.

          • 0 avatar
            JohnTaurus

            @Vulpine, not a bad idea. I may do it with my ’69 F-100.

          • 0 avatar
            Vulpine

            At least on the glass it can be removed without messing up the paint and it’s high enough that it won’t cause an issue if the headlights are in low beam.

            Of course, doing that with a small car might give a high-riding truck a glare even on low beam, forcing them to either back off or pass to escape it.

  • avatar
    tylanner

    I cant speak reasonably on this topic because the deficient behaviors are so numerous. Speed matching the fastlane seems like a universal problem that I encounter daily.

  • avatar
    B Buckner

    I saw this a lot in Chicago. Stopped at a light. Guy in front of me opens the drivers door, spits on the pavement.

    • 0 avatar
      RazorTM

      What’s wrong with that? I already did that twice today. When I’m sick and cough up a bunch of phlegm, it’s not going inside my car—it can go outside with all the oil and grime already on the road. Come to think of it, my wife complained about it too…

      • 0 avatar
        30-mile fetch

        Some of these guys aren’t sick, they just have a nasty spitting habit. Same breed who spit on the sidewalk or clear their noses onto public bathroom walls. Saliva and nasal mucous are disease vectors, it’s smart to heed your innate urge to steer clear of it.

  • avatar

    Oh, and if you ever drive in NYC or surroundings, there’s a special line cutter.

    Exit is short. Cars back up in right lane. Backup goes 1/4 mile.

    Cutter runs right to the front in middle lane, and will snip in before the guy on the cell phone or generally clueless. I never let this guy in. Probably the ONLY NYC traffic summons I’ve ever seen written that actually helps anything.

    • 0 avatar
      RSF

      I was just about to write the same thing, except for Houston drivers.

    • 0 avatar
      whynotaztec

      I will plead guilty to sometimes doing this. The thing is, you can always count on someone being stupid/clueless/distracted so I consider it just taking unused space.

      • 0 avatar
        30-mile fetch

        Yeah, I’ve done this for badly backed-up left turn lanes. There’s usually a pokey little puppy in the line who leaves 3-4 car lengths. Leaving the space unused will not get the people behind it through the light any sooner.

        I have a rule, though. I must be able to glide in without forcing the issue or hindering anyone behind me who is going straight.

        • 0 avatar
          ktm

          I do this all the time too, but have the same rule. Most of the time I am able to glide in without issue. Those rare occasions where I am not going to be able to slide over without inconveniencing the driver behind me, I just shrug my shoulders, laugh, and go up to the next street, etc.

        • 0 avatar
          JohnTaurus

          Agreed 30 mile. There is no point in sitting 6 cars behind an Avalon with 5 car lengths in front of her.

          On a related note: people who sit in heavy/stop-and-go traffic and leave a semi-truck-sized space between them and the next car. Especially when traffic is stopped at an intersection and you’re waiting to turn (or get to the dedicated turn lane) and they sit so far back so as to block you and anyone behind you. Why are you that far back?

          In Florida recently, a friend went off on the shoulder with two tires to make it into the turning lane before the arrow changed (as did several other vehicles), and three cars up, there was this turquoise mid 90s Mustang V-6 sitting about three car lengths back from the car ahead. Why? She was looking up, not on a cell phone, hands on the wheel. She knew she was that far back and she knew how congested the area is. Why do that? It isn’t “safer”, unless she plans on passing out for 6 seconds letting her foot slip off the brake pedal and thus allowing enough reaction time when she wakes up to not rearend the next car. Maybe the guy in front will accidentally put his Highlander in reverse and travel 15 feet backwards before he realizes it and stops. The possibilities are endless.

          Speaking of “accidental reverse”, this stupid old man in a new style Colorado was in front of me waiting to turn left onto a highway. A Mustang approaches from the right with its signal on, it slows down and begins to turn, the old man decides go for it way too early and misses the Mustang’s driver door by inches. He’s now out in the highway and there are cars approaching from both directions, so he throws it in reverse, doesn’t look up, just hits the gas and jerks to a stop. His reverse lights don’t go off. I can see this coming from a mile away, and so I reversed a bit (I didn’t move up when he attempted his illfated maneuver). Sure enough, a break in traffic and he guns it and the tires chirp as he goes backwards. He would’ve smashed my car very hard had I been up there. He slams it in drive and pulls right out in front of a car that had 0 cars behind it (meaning I had plenty of time to come to a full stop and pull out safely with no traffic coming in either direction, but he must have been in a helluva hurry to save that 1.4 seconds and risk an accident in doing so.

  • avatar
    slavuta

    Haha. We just talked about this yesterday. I drove a visitor from Israel to the airport and she said that this is biggest piss-off item over there – not even a half second time and they start honking.

    to me, the biggest piss-off lately is driving without lights in bad visibility.

  • avatar
    slavuta

    Haha. We just talked about this yesterday. I drove a visitor from Israel to the airport and she said that this is biggest pi$$off item over there – not even a half second time and they start honking.

    to me, the biggest pi$$off lately is driving without lights in bad visibility.

  • avatar
    13kRPM

    OK, two that drive me crazy:

    1- Those who never learn to merge onto a freeway. No concept of their obligation to look for the gap, no idea of how to use that pedal thing to accelerate to match speed and worst of all no situational awareness to realize that cars on the freeway in the right lane into which they need to merge may not be able to move be out of their way because they are hemmed in by other traffic such as the semi in the next lane over.

    2- Entitled (insert chosen expletive here) bargers – those that exploit the right lane when a forced merge is up coming, speed past the line of respectful drivers and then at the last moment force there way in to the remaining lane. They don’t signal, they don’t look for the gap, their focus is on getting as far ahead as possible and physically threatening other cars into letting them in. It basically says loud and clear “screw you” to every other driver with a modicum of respectability. My chosen response when driving my more haggard daily driver is to not make eye contact, leave no gap and leave them with the option to wait or to find out if I really will let them tap my fender if they really think I care about my old car more than their usually more pristine ride.

    • 0 avatar

      I will say that there is a flip side to this though: The right-lane dweller that pays no attention to merging traffic. Look, we mergers don’t have a choice. We have to be here, we don’t have much lane left, and we can’t slow down because otherwise, we can’t merge. Please look ahead for our sakes and, if you can, get out of the right lane until the merge has passed. So many people don’t do this.

      • 0 avatar
        ttacgreg

        Yes, but please line up with a gap, rather absolutely side by side and expect the other driver to somehow make space. Merging into a gap works way better than merging into a vehicle. Most merges demand that the merger yield to the traffic, not the other was around.

    • 0 avatar
      Dan

      “2- Entitled (insert chosen expletive here) bargers – those that exploit the right lane when a forced merge is up coming, speed past the line of respectful drivers and then at the last moment force there way in to the remaining lane. They don’t signal, they don’t look for the gap, their focus is on getting as far ahead as possible and physically threatening other cars into letting them in. It basically says loud and clear “screw you” to every other driver with a modicum of respectability. My chosen response when driving my more haggard daily driver is to not make eye contact, leave no gap and leave them with the option to wait or to find out if I really will let them tap my fender if they really think I care about my old car more than their usually more pristine ride.”

      This. The icing on the cake is that the wave of braking that propagates backwards from these asshats cutting in at the last minute is often why the merged lane was backed up in the first place.

      • 0 avatar
        SWells679

        Ok, in their defense, I’ve had a change of driving habit lately when it comes to merging (due to construction, accident, etc). Most people want to be polite and get over at the very first sign of a merger ahead. They don’t wan’t to be that a-hole that goes all the way to the very end of the lane from which to merge. Well, this is actually what causes the traffic to back up. Yes! Bear with me. It’s called “zippering” and state traffic agencies actually prefer drivers do this: travel all the way to the end THEN merge. The problem is, the vast majority of drivers don’t want to be “that guy”. I do it now even when my wife is complaining. “I’m zippering dear.”

        Seriously: zippering – google it.

        • 0 avatar
          ttacgreg

          This raises another subject. The power tripping drivers that will block your way so you can’t go to the end point and zipper. Here in Colorado they post signs saying stay in the lane till end point then take turns and in general that seems to be working .

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            I’ll do that if I’m a few hundred feet back, especially if they’re flying by in bunches!

            Worst one was the last time they resurfaced I-75 by me: on my way to work one morning, a half-mile, if not more, from the merge, some DB in a Cadillac pulled out, then started over to the shoulder when I tried to go around!

            Fortunately, it was dry, so I went down onto the slope in the median, and hit the gas!

            Managed to get caught up to the rest of the traffic and zipped-in in turn. Meanwhile, Cadillac driver pulls his stunt on two other people that I could see!

            Only wish that he’d have tried that to some brodozer with 27” wheels and a lift kit! Poetic justice!

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            However, the other week, I inadvertently went around the line, not realizing that the lane was merging into one over the bridge, out of view! Fortunately, my slapping-myself-upside-the-head pantomime diffused any potential escalation of tempers!

    • 0 avatar
      RazorTM

      Your number 1 haunts me every day. One time, I was travelling in the right lane with a car in front of me, another car tailgating me, and a third in the left lane cruising at the same speed. I was already totally blocked in and uncomfortable when a fourth car started coming up the onramp on a dirct intercept course with me. The only thing that saved me was that the car in the left lane sped up by about 0.5mph and I was able to slide over within inches of his rear bumper as the guy on the onramp merged right into the spot that I had occupied a second earlier. There were no other cars on the road. The idiocy just astounds me.

    • 0 avatar
      whynotaztec

      How about those that travel 80 mph in the right lane? Not the place for it

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Please clarify, 80 in 80, 80 in 55? Or, you’re saying, going 80 in 55 in the left lane is OK? You know why they go 80 in the right? Because idiots go 55 in the left. Yesterday I was observing one Prius going 65 in 65 in the left lane with no lights in the heavy rain, and with road not being packed. Yea, I was going 75 in the right lane.

        • 0 avatar
          ttacgreg

          The often posted law “keep right except to pass” needs to be pounded into the driving public’s collective head. In my experience this is way more prevalent in Europe, and it is wonderful at how much frustration it eliminates.

        • 0 avatar
          JohnTaurus

          Exactly right slavuta (and Gregg). Once there was a newer Elantra in the left lane going significantly below the flow of traffic and the speed limit. Highbeams on in broad daylight. I get in front of them and allow my car to slow, they get over in the right and I hit “resume” and continue on my way, I watch in the mirror as he cuts off an Infiniti SUV that was traveling quickly in the left lane, causing him to have to also pass on the right. I don’t get it.

          I have put down the window and pointed at the “keep right except to pass” sign. Doesn’t do any good.

      • 0 avatar
        sportyaccordy

        That this is even possible speaks to the complete lack of lane discipline in America. It’s a free for all with everyone picking lanes by their mood.

      • 0 avatar
        ktm

        Then get your slowness out of the left lane and we would not have to pass you on the right……

        • 0 avatar
          ttacgreg

          If you are being passed on the right, you are in the wrong lane .

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            If you’re passed on the right, say “thank you”. Because someone wants you dead but withholds his/her feelings

          • 0 avatar
            carve

            Exactly- I’ve always found it odd that it’s illegal to pass on the right instead of illegal to BE passed on the right. If you’re a good driver, in normal flowing traffic people will not be able to pass you on the right

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus

      Well put (both), people doing your second one in such an aggressive manner is a top contender for sure, they might as well have “fμ©k all of you” on a reader board in the back of the car.

    • 0 avatar

      Ding! Ding! Ding!

      Well stated 13.

  • avatar
    Wunsch

    My pet peeve? Two-lane highway, slow car. Doesn’t get anywhere near the speed limit. Finally, there’s a passing lane. The slow car suddenly speeds up to well above the speed limit for the duration of the passing lane, and then slows right back down again once it’s over.

    Yes, I understand you’re nervous about how small the road is and the concept of going around a curve, and the bit with the passing lane doesn’t have those things to make you nervous, but… seriously?

  • avatar
    Ermel

    I don’t care much about honking — I usually take it as a sign of stupidity (unless it really warned someone), just like loud exhausts, silly high revs, and other sources of unnecessary noise, and leave it at that.

    Most obnoxious for me: You’re in a big rig on the motorway, happily and automatically keeping some 60 metres distance, when a car/SUV/blankety-blank four-wheeler, having passed you, cuts in in front of you, slams on the brakes, *then* changes to the exit lane to the right and *accelerates again*.

    Every. Blooming. Day.

    More than once.

  • avatar
    spamvw

    The person who will dawdle when coming into the green arrow turn lane, which doesn’t activate the sensor, which turns the light yellow, which they make it through, but not you.

  • avatar
    vehic1

    Much more annoying/dangerous: At a 4-way intersection, you’re about to turn right. A car approaching from the right decides to super-silky a left turn, rounding the corner into your lane, so that you must wait on this Lord VIP/Cool Breeze. Better to wait on the knucklehead and avoid a collision; they very possibly have no insurance, anyway – and the car may be stolen.

  • avatar
    azmtns

    1. Double-left turn lanes where the driver in the inside left lane strays to the farthest possible right lane cutting off everyone in his/her way.

  • avatar
    TMA1

    The worst for me is the guy playing the loud, thumping rap music for everyone to enjoy. Actually, I’m not sure what this guy is thinking. Does he think other people are looking at him, saying, “wow, that guy is cool.” More than likely, he’s actively hostile or oblivious to the rest of society.

    The worst part is how inescapable it is. I hear it on the road, trapped at the intersection, from the sidewalk, from my house. It’s everywhere, and it’s been going on for 20+ years now. This is a guy who couldn’t tell you what kind of engine is in his car, but he could probably talk about his speakers.

    • 0 avatar
      geozinger

      LOL… I remember being trapped in a traffic jam in Atlanta. Mr. Thump has his stereo blasting as loud as he can. I have the A/C on, windows up, no worries. As we’re creeping forward we get stuck side by side under an overpass… FML…

      Every so often you hear about “random” violence on the freeways, where seemingly complete strangers shoot one another. I think situations like the one I described are what causes this “random” violence.

      If I’d had my weapon with me that day, I could have been one of those shooters.

      • 0 avatar
        Dan

        Well, there are more shootings at rap concerts than there are at all of the other kinds of concert combined.

        • 0 avatar
          TMA1

          Not surprising. I used to live right next to a new concert venue. 2000+ Marilyn Manson fans lined up around block? No problem, they’re just chilling.

          Rap concerts? People smoking weed in my parking lot, brawling in the street across multiple lanes of traffic. I actually videotaped some of these. I still see the huge dent put in the side of this pretty blue Genesis Coupe after one guy threw another into the car. Eventually the police figured out for themselves that the rap concerts were more dangerous, and began showing up in force prior to things getting out of control.

    • 0 avatar
      azmtbkr81

      My theory is that loud car stereo people are so absolutely unremarkable in every other aspect of their lives that the only way they can convince others to pay attention to them is by literally making noise – similar to how a baby or dog might behave. Loud-pipe motorcycle riders and fart-can muffler owners are fellow members of this obnoxious club.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @TMA1 – I was at a traffic light once where the vehicle next to me had their stereo cranked for the world to enjoy. I spotted a firetruck approaching from the right on a “lights and sirens” response. The firetruck slowed since they were entering on a stale green. The light changed colour and the stereo car took off. I was amazed that it did not get T-boned by the ladder truck. I’d say inches to spare.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Turn-on loud countermeasures. Rammstein will do. Du Hast

    • 0 avatar
      RHD

      Rap Music Guy needs a long squirt from the bumper-mounted oil gun.

      This thread is raising my blood pressure, because just like the rest of you, I have been in many of these scenarios, too!

  • avatar
    GTL

    In heavy, slow but moving traffic, the fools who maintain a 10 car space between them and the car in front of them. Cars from the other lanes cut in, slowing that lane further. Such fools should be shot.

  • avatar
    Kalvin Knox

    People who don’t fully move into a turn lane is one of my most hated annoyances, but my biggest pet peeve is

    PEOPLE ON THEIR GODDAMN PHONES.

  • avatar
    I_like_stuff

    Drive at or below the speed limit in the left lane when not passing someone.

  • avatar
    BobNelson

    It’s odd… my car almost always stalls… and then refuses to re-start… when there’s an “instant honk” from behind.

  • avatar
    Rhiadon

    I have a fairly recently added pet-peeve after moving to Michigan.

    Let me start by saying that the Michigan left is one of the dumbest thing ever invented, even if it had the best of intentions. But if you live here, we all have to deal with it.

    Now, the phenomenon I’ve seen recently is a set of drivers, usually 18 wheelers, who have no fracking clue so they pull up to an intersection with 30 very clear signs saying that you can’t turn left. They proceed to then block the entire crossing while they wait for oncoming traffic so they can turn left.

  • avatar
    Rick T.

    Two lanes at an intersection merging down to one shortly thereafter. Car comes up on the right at the red light. The light turns and the car guns past me and then slows down to at or below the speed limit.

  • avatar

    I would also like to add that people who are not exiting or entering the freeway should get OUT of the right lane. You go to the center lane. It’s where you belong.

    This causes the majority of traffic issues, right lane riders.

    • 0 avatar
      Dan

      The east coast version of this is that any roadway big enough to have a center lane has bumper to bumper traffic in all three lanes, so any notions of behavior y belonging in lane x go out the window.

    • 0 avatar
      TDIandThen....

      Oddly however most DMVs I’ve been in and several states require that you ‘always drive to the right’. Some states even promote it and have it as a law and stuff. Hmmm.

      • 0 avatar

        I think on a two-lane road that rule makes sense. For three plus modern road lanes, the rule needs revised in those areas which promote “drive right.”

        When there are many lanes, it does not make sense for the majority of traffic to use only one.

    • 0 avatar
      Maymar

      Is the law not “Keep right except to pass?” Granted, some places with incredibly short on-ramps are exempt to this, but if the ramp is long enough that merging drivers should have no problem matching the speed of surrounding traffic, having more passing lanes is better.

      This might be Ontario specific (since there’s a pretty wide gap between the legal speed limit and the accepted speed limit), but most of our traffic seems to be caused by the drivers who are absolutely convinced that driving any more than 100km/h is immoral and irresponsible, and still park themselves in the middle lane, while barely getting passed by drivers who live on the edge and drive 105 (forcing normal people who do 120 to either pass on the right, or wait for an eternity).

    • 0 avatar
      sportyaccordy

      It’s called merging for a reason…. everyone should keep right if they can, and learn to merge properly.

      When I drove in Western Europe everyone kept to the right, and only used left lanes to pass. It worked a lot better than the complete free for all we have in America.

  • avatar
    HillbillyInBC

    Typical four-lane freeway with a big-rig in the right lane going slightly slower than the flow of traffic. Guy in front of me slows down as he begins to overtake, prolonging the time required to complete the pass. Once he’s clear, then he speeds back up to the rate he was going before. This completely baffles me every time I see it, as it’s the complete inverse of rational behaviour.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @HillbillyInBC – I see that all of the time. I believe that it because people have ZERO sense of the dimensions of their vehicles and they fixate on the truck. They think that there is less space in their lane since a big truck is in the other lane.
      My ex-wife was like this. On one lane bridges she’d slow to a crawl too. I asked her why and she said it was because the road was too narrow. We were heading to Dease Lake and this behaviour was driving me nuts so I took over driving. We came up to a one lane bridge and I stopped before it. I told her to look at our road lane and the bridge. She realized it was the same width. I did the same when we met an 18 wheeler. She still got scared so I then asked her what she was looking at. She got puzzled and said, ” I look at the truck.” I asked her about the bridges,”She said,”I look at the edge of the bridge”.
      I had to teach her that you always look at your opening and where you want to go. If you fixate on what you don’t want to hit, you will hit it. Our brains are hardwired to make our bodies go where we look.

  • avatar
    carve

    1) People who just stay put in the right lane, going the same speed as the other lanes, when there is a ton of open space in front of them.

    2) People who cruise in your blindspot

    • 0 avatar
      sco

      ugh, cruising in my blindspot, this is just carelessness. If you want to get in an accident, consistently drive where people cant readily see you. If someone stays in my blindspot for an excessively long time, I’ll put my blinker on and gradually start moving over. Problem solved every time.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      Or I accelerate out of the way if traffic allows; I don’t need a wingman!

  • avatar
    HuskyHawk

    My biggest complaint isn’t a single thing. It’s lack of situational awareness.

    Are you cruising at 55 in 65 in the right lane? You better be aware of who is merging in, and adjust your speed up or down. Or move over if you can. Some simply don’t acknowledge that they aren’t alone.

    You’re in the left lane, truck to your right, but you don’t want to speed. So you pass that truck at 1/2 MPH over a 4 mile stretch, while miles of cars stack up behind you. Either don’t pass or pass rapidly. Period. You get 20-30 seconds. That’s it.

    Left arrow covered above. Don’t start slow, or fail to pay attention. Hit the gas quickly and accelerate rapidly. Get the people behind you through the light. Honestly, do that at any light where there is someone behind you.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      I swear they’ve adjusted the timing on a ton of lights in my area, all in favor of the main line. Five years ago, I could count on a two-minute wait for a cycle at maybe one light in town, and you could count on being able to clear it if you were ten cars back!

      Nowadays, at least three lights are two-minute+ cycles, with fifteen seconds of green on the cross street! With the number of idiots displaying some of the traits these types of posts always seem to bring out, you can get maybe THREE CARS through a cycle, if you’re lucky!! Yes, it’s taken me FIVE MINUTES to get through one fvcking light with light traffic!

  • avatar
    Rick Astley

    Slightly different answer than above:

    The most obnoxious thing another driver can do, IMHO, is to only have the minimum training/education as required by law to pass the drivers test.

    Congratulations, you suck at driving.

    Even a $150, 4 hour, beginner track day drivers training event will put you in the top 5% of driver skill level that occupies public roadways.

    Amazing things such as:
    1) You drive a goddamn 4wd/AWD vehicle, why the holy F are you braking through this corner instead of any amount of throttle?
    2) How to look further than 15′ ahead of your car, there is actually stuff out there!
    3) Circle skidpad: What level of grip your car actually has and how to steer with the throttle. There may be light rain falling, but you aren’t on a frozen lake, so don’t drive like it, ya dummy!
    4) Threshold braking. Or ANY understanding of the braking potential of your car at speed. So 4′ might not be sufficient following distance at 70 mph on the freeway.
    5) Accelerating: The pedal on the right can be utilized to enter a roadway at a safe speed. Honest, try it!

    Here in Seattle, the NW Alfa Club puts on excellent beginner events and I have strongly encouraged those blighted with children to put their kids in these events. (Full disclosure: not a single friend has done so, yet they all seem to think it would be important… Not that they would take the class themselves either… Hence the “top 5% of drivers skill level” comment above)

    http://nwalfaclub.com/index.html

    • 0 avatar
      sportyaccordy

      Being a safe driver on public roads has nothing to do with track driving. About the only skill that carries over is having “racer eyes”, which to me just means reading the evolving situation on the road as far as possible. Beyond that, being safe on the road comes down to little more than not being an total idiot (i.e. following too close, being on your phone, driving aggressively) and paying attention. A modern car on modern tires is never going to need to recover from a spin or any of that track heroic nonsense.

      If anything track driving emboldens people to make bad decisions. “I can carry more speed through this on ramp!” Track driving and street driving are completely different disciplines.

      • 0 avatar
        Rick Astley

        While I recognize the difference between the two (and made no claim that track driving skills translate directly to street driving), you have overestimated what the “average” driver possesses in terms of driving acumen.

        You have lumped “not being a total idiot” in with real world learned skills. Learned skills and not being an “idiot” are completely different disciplines (to use your term).

        Understanding threshold braking, expanded vision, proper cornering techniques and merging on freeways are NOT something that only applies on a race track. (I have yet to find a racetrack which uses a freeway onramp!)

        Lastly, other countries which take the seriousness of operating dangerous heavy machinery have adequate skill accumulation and testing requirements. Finland and Japan are very strong in these regards. Something America has absolutely no interest in. The current system of drivers licensing is a system designed for one thing: To put a license into as many people’s hands as possible.

        Japanese drivers license input from a gaijin:
        https://blog.gaijinpot.com/obtaining-a-japanese-drivers-license/

        Finnish licensing article by Motorweek:
        http://www.motorweek.org/features/over_the_edge/finland_drivers_license

  • avatar

    Oh, MORE!

    Around here there are some “constant green arrow with caution” places. When you turn, you have your own lane for several hundred feet before you’d need to merge.

    People treat it like a freaking stop sign, and wait there until they are clear in BOTH lanes before going.

    If in front of me people get a blared horn because they’re 100% in the wrong.

  • avatar
    Scoutdude

    Many times its not spacing out that is the reason I don’t hit the gas right at the green light it is because I’m counting to two and making sure that no one is running the red on the cross street. Tue I watched a very narrow miss. I pulled up to a light that was just changing to red and safely stopped. The guy on the cross street proceeded to go and when he got across the stop line a car came through the red from the other direction. Luckily the guy with the green stopped and of course the guy who was running the red honked and acted like he was in the right a good 3 seconds after a full red light, not an “orange”.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      Several years ago, Halloween night, driving rain. Headed to the Golden Arches to grab dinner.

      First in line waiting to turn left at one of those short-green lights I kvetched about above. As I get the green arrow..something didn’t feel right..so I didn’t hit the gas right away! Then a mid-‘90s Cutlass zipped through the intersection, against the light, and with no headlights to boot!

  • avatar
    paxman356

    I have a few:

    1. Late mergers who don’t do it politely. What I mean by this is, if it’s busy, there isn’t room in front of me because I just let someone in, and the merge lane is ending/has come to an end, I’m not expecting you to shoot in front of me to swipe that non-existent spot. I actually made an idiot ride the breakdown lane for 1/4 mile not letting him in because of this.

    2. Intersection blockers. Yeah, it’s busy, and you THOUGHT you could make it through the intersection, but didn’t. Now, nobody can move on their green because you’re sitting there like a fool.

    3. Tailgating. At anytime, tailgating is worse than any infraction the person in front of you is doing. Yeah, they need to get out of the left lane, maybe go faster if there is only one lane. But I have people tailgate me because I’m doing 60 in a 55 on the Interstate in Indianapolis. Yes, I see you. Yes, I know you want to make it to your exit faster. No, I’m not going faster, or pulling over one lane. I’m in the right hand lane simply because that’s where slow moving traffic is supposed to be. I usually do this because If I get caught up in the races going on in the left hand lanes, I’ll stress even more, and this is good for the MPG, too. Make a pass, or back off.

    • 0 avatar
      Russycle

      Yeah, number 3. Sometimes I just want to hang in the right lane near the speed limit. There’s one or two lanes available for passing, shouldn’t be a big deal. But some doofus is going to exit in a mile, instead of passing me, or, god forbid, slowing down for 60 seconds, he has to ride my ass like I’m ruining his life.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      I see these #2 types pretty much every day. In downtown DC, people WALK when the WALK sign comes on. And there are a lot of them. The person who got stuck in the intersection has to sit there like an idiot while he gets glared and honked at by other drivers. Always makes me giggle.

    • 0 avatar
      BobNelson

      “Make a pass, or back off.”
      Why do so many people forget that “Speed Limit” means “maximum legal”? If they want to go faster than the law allows, that’s fine with me… but they have no right to require me to do the same.

      • 0 avatar
        TMA1

        Because most people are aware of the social norms and mechanical inaccuracies of driving, including the government, which is why even the speed cameras around here won’t bother with 5 over, and the cops give even more leeway.

        There’s no law requiring you to bring a gift or a bottle of wine when you’re invited to someone’s home for dinner, but that doesn’t mean that you’re not a social misfit for not doing so.

        Such noncritical literalist thinking is best suited to revival tents in the Deep South.

        • 0 avatar
          BobNelson

          So… You REQUIRE everyone to roll at whatever speed YOU desire.

          Cool…

          • 0 avatar
            JohnTaurus

            So, you REQUIRE every one to obey every single law to the strictest sense… Cool. Glad you’re perfect and the world you live in (without the rest of us) is too, where 45 on a deserted, wide, well paved road is okay but 50 isn’t because a sign told you so, which was intended to keep people from flying through during peak traffic times, even though this is clearly not one of those times, and a cop following you in this situation would not pull you over for 50 in this 45 zone on his worst day, unless you give him cause to use it as an excuse to check you out. Right on.

            Enjoy doing 65 in the left lane and causing traffic to scatter to get around you, creating the potential for many accidents during your trip, just so you can wear your smug sense of self-satisfaction like a turtle neck sweater.

          • 0 avatar
            TMA1

            I don’t have the power to require anyone to do anything. If someone wants to act like a misfit (at best) or a sociopath (at worst), that’s their business.

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            As long as you’re not in the left lane, go ahead and hew to whatever the government tells you!

            Get your smug satisfaction from watching everybody else get their backsides in a sling when Smokey Bear is waiting over the next hill! (Or join them, if you wish.) Don’t be a driver that the rest of us complain about whenever one of these types of questions is posed!

            The person you’re holding up could be on their way to the hospital with a sick passenger, or to get a last visit with a dying relative (as a former pastor of my church, and a “by the numbers” driver, thought about after an impatient driver whipped around her in their SUV, then put the vehicle up onto two wheels while turning into the entrance of the hospice up the road a bit)!

            Unfortunately, remember, too, that a subset of the populace might do more than just make obscene gestures and flash their lights at you! (Of course, that’s the coarsening of our society in general.)

  • avatar
    SiracoFTW

    30 cars in a left turn only lane. Straight only lane empty. Car goes up the right lane then takes a sharp ass left cutting off all 30 cars.

  • avatar
    Maymar

    One that always gets me in urban areas are drivers who fail to pay attention to time-sensitive signage (eg. No Left Turn from 4-6PM, no stopping from 7-9AM), especially because inevitably, if someone’s doing that, they’re directly in front of the sign telling them not to, and should have no excuse. A certain amount of progress downtown is owed to knowing traffic patterns well enough to know what lane is more likely to keep moving for whatever reason, which those drivers can absolutely ruin.

    • 0 avatar
      paxman356

      One of the 4-5 ways I can travel home has me hitting the area surrounding a technical college around 6pm, with signage that you can’t turn left between 4-6pm. Even if it isn’t 6pm yet, I’ll always get stuck behind one of these idiots, or in the right lane behind a bus. FML.

  • avatar
    SWells679

    Speaking of Intersection Blockers, here’s one where the offender needs instant, hot-death.

    If traffic is backed up to/thru an intersection, I will of course wait even if I have a green light, until I see enough room for my car on the other side of the intersection. I don’t want to be “that guy” with my butt hanging out if the light turns red. Sometimes, when I see that desired car length across from me and I start to move into the intersection, some squirtbag will come from an adjacent lane and dive into my freshly opened spot by changing lanes in the middle of the intersection! Now, I’m the jack-wad stuck in the middle!

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      The corollary to this is when the driver in front will have more than enough room, but doesn’t want to take the chance!

      Of course, you’re directly behind that driver! At a short-green/two-minute-cycle light! And you’re running late! (::Exploding-head emoji!!::)

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    Sub-600

    There are times when I don’t feel like turning right on red, sometimes the vehicle on my left is in the crosswalk and I can’t see, so I don’t bother. I don’t know about other places but in NY State you aren’t required to turn right on red. I take it in stride when I get honked at in that situation. Speaking of car horns, I have to say that my FCA vehicle has an incredibly powerful unit, no fade if I lay on it either.

  • avatar
    Carroll Prescott

    So hard to decide…

    – Brake checking
    – Tailgating in the slow lane
    – Using an onramp merge lane as a right hand passing lane (even when left passing lane is wide open)
    – Turning a one lane exit into a two lane one.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      If three lanes of freeway are bottled-up by a rolling roadblock in all three lanes going below the limit, I’m directly behind the roadblock, there’s open road in front, and the acceleration lane is long enough (and no merging traffic), if I can safely complete the maneuver, I’m going!

      Used this technique to get around a rolling semi roadblock twice in the same trip on the Ohio Turnpike. Mind you, the acceleration ramps were also a quarter-mile long, and I only ended up five or seven over the limit by the end of the maneuver!

  • avatar
    Clueless Economist

    American’s don’t know the ZIPPER RULE!

    When two lanes are already at a stop and the lanes are merging into one. Instead of flooding both lanes and merging at a single point by taking turns (zipper rule), cars try to squeeze in before the point of merge.

    AND they think you are doing something wrong if you pass them to get to the point of merge.

  • avatar
    dal20402

    The Pittsburgh left. That is, turning left in front of oncoming traffic the second the light turns green. I thought I had gotten away from them when I moved back to the West Coast. But, no, they’ve turned into a thing here too.

    Half the time the culprits are so focused on beating cross traffic that they ignore pedestrians, who in Seattle are often already in the crosswalk because they get a leading pedestrian interval. Either the pedestrian has to jump out of the way suddenly, or the driver comes to a screeching halt in the middle of the intersection blocking all cross traffic.

    These people should all be vigorously ticketed.

  • avatar
    dukeisduke

    Pull out of an employee parking lot and whip across three lanes to get to a left turn lane right before a signal light, barely avoiding getting run over by me. Just like a guy in a white late Fox-body Mustang V6 coupe did, on my way home the other day. Thank goodness for the ABS in my Tacoma.

  • avatar
    ttacgreg

    How about people who are merging onto a highway and it does happen to be a continuous lane rather than a merge lane, and they stop and or slow down to wait for a gap in order to merge to the left?

  • avatar
    conundrum

    Perhaps this is a local thing on our narrow city streets. You come up behind a car with no turn signal on at a red light. You assume they will proceed straight.

    The light goes green. Mr or Mrs Dodo ahead then engages left blinker, scarcely moves and waits for all oncoming traffic to flow through the intersection. Holds up the line of traffic behind them with nary a thought of others. Blithe spirit, too rah loo rah loody aye, Happens a lot among our brain dead population.

    The usual convention is to have left blinker on, hug the center line. Then traffic coming up behind can squeeze right to go straight. But when you are blessed with congratulatory self-awareness, the world exists only for you and your personal enjoyment, so the idea that others might be annoyed with your discourtesy never enters your tiny perfect mind.

    Execution at dawn.

  • avatar
    Sub-600

    It never ceases to amaze me how many people crash at intersections when the traffic signals are out. The 4-way stop setup should be a rather free flowing affair yet it often leads to broken plastic, twisted plastic, shattered plastic, and bent plastic. It’s the same thing at car washes that have three lanes that feed into the wash tunnel, didn’t these people attend Kindergarten? I’m pretty sure proper queuing etiquette was addressed at that point.

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      No one knows the rule that dark traffic signals should be treated as all-way stops. There’s not much more terrifying in this life than trying to cross a street on foot during a power outage.

      • 0 avatar
        MBella

        There are places where the DOTs are adding signals that only activate when pedestrian engages them. This is beyond stupid for civil engineering, but unfortunately that seems to be the rule and not exception with modern civil engineers.

    • 0 avatar
      sgeffe

      Almost have seen that happen in the McDonald’s drive-thru line, FFS; the ones with the double-lane ordering! Almost had some mouth-breeder in a RAV4 bump my door the other week!

      No matter how close you get, it’s impossible for me to move forward if the guy in front of me is still at the window paying!

  • avatar
    pwrwrench

    It would interest me to know if this happens in other places:
    Here in SoCal there are many freeway on ramps with metering lights. Some of them are semi-automated. When the traffic is moving above a certain speed the light stays green.
    Some drivers with an interesting mindset will stop at the green light apparently waiting for it to turn red and then green,again.
    This got so prevalent that signs were installed on some ramps, “DO NOT STOP ON GREEN”.

    A thought about drivers on the freeway hitting the brakes when there is nothing in front of them. I saw this starting about 30 years ago. My speculation is that some of it is drivers unknowingly activating the cruise control and then panicking when the car appears to accelerate for “no” reason. They then hit the brakes which shuts off the cruise.

  • avatar
    SC5door

    1. Stopping in a forward lane to make a left at Chicago Ave. and LSD in Chicago. I actually saw someone try to do that and was promptly caught by a passing CPD cruiser.

    2. Left lane squatters. Had a very nice discussion with plenty of people in the area on FB who clearly thought if they were doing “5-9 above” they could stay in the left lane without passing anyone.

    3. Lack of proper lighting and or improperly installed and used lighting. Off road LED light bars being used on the street and blinding you? Must be a Jeep thing.

    4. Coming to a crawl to go around a curve in the road. No, it’s not going to flip over. I’ve seen plenty of “bendy buses” go much faster through those areas than what some people like to do.

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus

      I might, rarely, stay in the left lane when there is a decent amount of cars in the right lane and I don’t want to be weaving back and forth. I will move over for someone moving faster than me, even if it means I must momentarily slow down.

      How about this: someone is approaching you, about to over take you (you in the right, they in the left, they’re moving much faster) as you approach a slow moving car. If there is time to safely do so, I accelerate and pass the slow poke and then get back over and resume my speed. I don’t find anything wrong with this so long as I at least match the faster car so as to not impede his progress. I tend to go even faster to hurry up and get out of their way.

  • avatar
    jeanbaptiste

    Not necessarily the worst move but in my top 10 of WTF moves.

    I’m on a two lane(or is it a 4 lane) interstate. No one in front of me with with only one car slowly approaching behind me. It’s just me and this other car for 2 miles. I’m in the right lane cruising at something reasonable. The approaching car passes me and immediately pulls infront of me. This blocks all of my vision ahead.

    • 0 avatar
      Vulpine

      “The approaching car passes me and immediately pulls infront of me. This blocks all of my vision ahead.”

      — No problem there for me, as long as they maintain speed. On the other hand, I’ve had some try to brake-check me as soon as they switch lanes.

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    John Scott

    How about the dimwit who stops short of the vehicle detector? Yeah bonehead, traffic lights are still on timers or operated by talking birds like on the Flintstones or by magic…don’t pull up to the clearly marked line with the sign telling you where to stop, just sit there for a couple extra cycles because the scenery is so nice…

  • avatar
    Vulpine

    If I’m the one behind, I give between 2-3 seconds before the honk… normally. Most lights at least give you 10-15 seconds to move a line of cars but there is one intersection in particular that only gives four seconds, green-to-yellow. Even of the front car leaps at the change, you’re lucky if five cars get through. When the lead car isn’t paying attention, it may be a single car, if any, gets through.

    However, if I’m in the front of a car that blows at light change, I actually slow down my acceleration and have been known to tap my brake lights again before rolling; especially if I know the light is a long-duration light. I’ve even been known to pace myself to the car next to me on a four-lane in such a way that they simply can’t swing out onto the shoulder to pass (yes, they tend to do that around here.) That’s right, I trap them and hold them to the pace of the slower-moving car, then gradually slow farther to let the other car start to get ahead of me, then trap them again. By the time we get to the next light, another car has moved up behind me, preventing them from changing lanes yet again, and then launch as normal when the light turns.

    Yes, I’m evil. But they’ve learned not to honk at two very specific cars because if they do, they get roadblocked until I choose to let them by. Usually, the Rager is either in a Eurolux or a rice rocket.

  • avatar
    sgeffe

    People who don’t know basic right-of-way rules at a 4-way stop!

    All else being equal, just as in aerial and nautical navigation, the conveyance to your right has the right-of-way, if they are at the same altitude on a converging heading! (There was a thread on here sometime earlier this year discussing this.)

    You get to a stop at the same time as another car, the car on the right has the ROW! Yet twice this week, trying as I might to stop first, another driver and I are flapping our arms at each other! Finally, I left a bit of burnt rubber on the pavement as I roared off in frustration, the other driver probably thinking “I was trying to be nice!”

    But let me guess: they’re the ones who exhibit the same traits we kvetch about in other facets of behavior behind the wheel!

    Damn, but this “telecommuting” stuff sounds better all the time!

  • avatar
    s_a_p

    If the answer is not “get irritated because I passed you because you were looking at your phone and I had a narrow window to get around you but took it anyway because I was paying attention” then it’s the wrong answer. A close second is decide that the left lane is for passive aggressive driving only.

  • avatar
    JohnTaurus

    Its probably been mentioned, but stopping on a two lane highway with no signal on before you turn. Go from 60-0 for no apparent reason, then slowly meander left or right. Not using signals in traffic bugs me big time. I always signal, even if I’m the only car for miles. I don’t care. Its rare as hens teeth for me to make a turn or lane change or pass without signaling,

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus

      Add: ^this is one instance where I *do* use my horn as a WTF? Not laying on it forever, just a decent amount of time to convey the message.

      As for the honking at green lights, I might tap the horn a few times if there is no reaction to the light changing within a reasonable amount of time. I, again, would not lay on the horn unless they refused to move after plenty of time had passed, but so far, that hasn’t happened.

  • avatar
    turf3

    1) Driving around a residential neighborhood with 25 mph speed limit, and a streetlight every 200 feet, with your high beams on (extra points for having all the fog lights on when there’s no fog).

    2) Being too stupid to dim the lights when I first flash my brights at you, then do it again, then do it three or four times in rapid succession, then turn my high beams on and leave them on.

  • avatar
    Flipper35

    I just hate it when others are on the same road as me.

    • 0 avatar
      TMA1

      This is what it all comes down to.

    • 0 avatar
      JohnTaurus

      Well, I don’t recommend it, but you could do as some do: just drive like you’re the only person out there. No signal, no courtesy of any kind, high beams on in traffic, skipping to your turn at a 4 way stop, cutting people off constantly, being the 3rd car to run a red arrow or light, drive whatever speed you feel like- be it 40 over or 40 under always regardless and many times directly contrary to common sense regarding road conditions, waiting until the last second to dive for your exit because the 5 signs telling you it was going to be here were too unimportant to consider. Stuff like that.

  • avatar
    TDIGuy

    A long road on my route to work goes through some small populated areas.

    Happens at least once a week. I’ll end up behind a car coming out of town and they pick up to 60 when the limit is still 40. Okay, this is good, guy is moving along at a good pace.
    Then the limit changes to 60 and they stay at 60. Well fine, maybe they just want to stick to the limit, there are cops around here, it is the posted limit after all.
    Then limit changes to 80 and most people go 100, they stay at 60. Alright, what else is this person not paying attention to besides the speed limit signs? I’ll tell you what! The line of traffic building up behind them.
    Then by the next town, the limit drops to 50 with a corner that has a warning sign posted for 40 and they get right up to it and hit the brakes like they didn’t know it was coming.

    • 0 avatar
      Vulpine

      Reminds me of a story one of my plant Engineers once told me. Simply put, one of his technicians discovered why, at a very specific time in the afternoon, traffic would suddenly back up for miles on a two-lane highway with few opportunities to pass. Yup, it was a person pulling out of their own workplace and going only 25mph on a 60mph highway for about 5 miles.

      A few months later, and a railroad-tie bumper cushion added to the nose of his pickup, and the truck got behind that slow-poke again. Easing up, the truck’s driver made a fairly gentle contact and then hit the gas, pushing the other driver up to the speed limit even against that other vehicle’s brakes and held it there until the speed limit dropped for the next town.

      The slow-poke got the ticket, by the way. Never again was that road backed up after that time.

      Or at least, that’s how the story went.

  • avatar
    kwong

    One obnoxious thing I find is when you’re approaching a multi-lane stop or red light and a car from another cuts in front of you as you’re already calculated your deceleration point causing you to have press (or slam) the brakes to make up for the shorter distance. Even worse when they don’t signal, and even more worse is when they don’t go when the light turns green. Not only did they force more wear to your tires, but now they’re wasting your time and ruined your flow. In cases like that, I do have my hand ready to honk. I mean, if you were in such a hurry to switch lanes to get a few spots ahead, you should be attentive to get going off the line in a reasonable time….don’t look at your phone, eat food, apply your make-up, turn to talk to your passengers, etc. just drive.

  • avatar
    jdmcomp

    Not the worst thing a driver could do, but one that is obnoxious is seeing someone in stopped traffic open the door a crack and empty an ashtray on the pavement.

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