By on February 23, 2015

2015 RAM ProMaster City Front-001

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Everyone has been talking about the Dodge Caravan being sent out to pasture soon, but there is a third badge-engineered Chrysler minivan heading into the sunset as well: the 2015 RAM C/V. Behold the replacement: the 2015 RAM ProMaster City. With industry boffins calculating that the class 1 cargo-hauler segment will explode by over 300% in the coming few years, Chrysler is getting in on the commercial action with another Euro model. While the larger ProMaster van is based on the Fiat Ducato, the smaller ProMaster City is an Americanization of the Fiat Doblo. Does the recently formed Fiat Chrysler conglomerate have with it takes to compete with the all-new and all-sexy Transit Connect?

Exterior

Outside it is hard to tell the Doblo and the ProMaster City apart. Both have dual sliding doors and rear 60/40 barn doors that open to near 180 degrees but most of the sheetmetal is shared. New DOT compliant tail lamps and headlights were fitted and the RAM logo and cross-hair grille were grafted to the long nose. Let’s be frank, the ProMaster City isn’t as attractive as the new Transit Connect which wears strong lines and Ford’s new corporate grille. The ProMaster on the other hand goes for rounded corners and a function-over-form front end. RAM boasts that the unpainted black bumpers can be easily replaced without a quote from the paint shop. Shoppers should note that top end models ditch this repair savings for body-colored parts. Style is usually a low priority for most commercial shoppers and the PMC’s funky looks are unlikely to be a turn off. The wagon version may be a different matter.

2015 RAM ProMaster City Interior.CR2-005

Interior

Speaking of wagons, the ProMaster City Wagon exists mainly as a “why not?” statement. You see, every PMC starts life as a passenger wagon built by TOFAS (a sort-of contract manufacturer) in Turkey. The completed vans are then shipped to Maryland for “conversion” where the “cargo” vans lose their rear seats and gain a load floor. This is essentially the same process Ford uses to bring the Transit Connect to our shores and avoid paying the dreaded “Chicken Tax.” Because the vans are imported with 5-seats, why not sell a few on the side? That’s the version I had for a week.

It is best to think of the wagon as a utilitarian people and cargo hauler for the avid mountain biking family than a replacement for the American minivan. The difference between the PMC and the Sedona, Sienna, Caravan and Odyssey is stark. You won’t find a third row, fold-int0-the-floor seats, squishy plastics, rear entertainment systems, snazzy audio systems or leather rear captains chars with ottomans. Instead we have a commercial grade Euro-funky interior cast in shades of black and grey. The hard plastic dash and doors will withstand years of abuse and are easy to clean, but not as nice to touch as what you find in Ford’s redesigned Transit Connect.

2015 RAM ProMaster City Interior.CR2

Most of the PMC’s dashboard is lifted directly from the Doblo except for a new steering wheel with audio controls on the back, a new shifter and a touchscreen infotainment system. The gauge cluster is easy to read but the trip computer is unintuitive. Similarly the door release handles also function as the door locks and the electric door lock controls. That took some getting used to. Storage pockets abound but the cupholder count of two is decidedly European.

The Ford is more comfortable as a people hauler because it has a dual mission. You see, the PMC doesn’t need to compete with the Sedona or Sienna, because that’s what Chrysler has the Caravan and Town & Country for. Want a minivan? Go to the Chrysler dealer. Want to haul your portable poodle washing system? Visit the RAM dealer. Ford on the other hand is using the Transit Connect to compete in both worlds, for better or worse.

2015 RAM ProMaster City Cargo Area.CR2

Cargo Hauling

For commercial haulers and the “active families” manufacturers are courting, cargo capacity is king. This is area where the baby RAM starts to shine. With 131.7 cubic feet of widget-moving space in the rear this easily beats the Nissan NV200 and Chevy City Express and barely eeks out a win over the long wheelbase Transit Connect. The RAM also manages to haul longer items thanks to a slightly longer box swallowing 11-foot items from the windshield to the rear doors, 9-foot items from the dash to the doors (after removing the front passenger seat) and 7-foot items from the front seat backs to the rear doors. You’ll notice something missing, there’s no 8-foot measure, and that is the area where every vehicle in this segment let me down, you can’t put a 4×8 sheet of anything in these vans. If you want to haul plywood, you’ll need a Caravan for that once the RAM C/V dies next year.

Loading a widget that’s 4-feet by 4-feet by 5-feet long with a forklift is a cinch thanks to the bi-folding doors, something that the larger C/V has lacked for a while. Sadly you’ll find the payload, although class leading at 1,883 pounds, is not any higher in real terms than the Caravan. This leaves a huge payload gap between the ProMaster City and the 3,922 pound payload of the base model ProMaster. In an interesting twist, the PMC uses an independent rear suspension and coil springs while delivering a higher load capacity than the NV200’s more truck-like rear end.

2015 RAM ProMaster City uConnect 5.0.CR2-001

Infotainment

Although uConnect 5.0 sounds like it would be a smaller version of uConnect 8.4 (the systems found in most Dodge and RAM models) it is actually an entirely different system. Based on a Microsoft O/S and not the UNIX-like QNX that runs the larger system, this software was almost entirely designed by Fiat. It started its life back in 2006 as Fiat’s Blue & Me system found in Europe but Fiat re-designed it to look like the larger uConnect system in 2013 and we’re starting to see it offered as Chrysler’s base infotainment unit. With available TomTom navigation, Bluetooth speaker phone integration and USB media / iDevice support, uConnect 5.0 is a perfectly serviceable head unit. It lacks the smartphone and voice command  functionality you find in the larger uConnect and upcoming revision of MyFord Touch, but it is snappy and easy to use.

Base PMC models skip the touchscreen infotainment system for a basic AM/FM unit with a USB port and four-speakers. Jumping up to the SLT trim adds the touchscreen as standard equipment and makes a 6-speaker package available. That limitation goes for the wagon model as well, in base form you get the speaker grilles but no speakers in the cargo area.

2015 Ram ProMaster City 2.4-liter Tigershark engine with 9-speed, Courtesy of Chrysler

Powertrain

Thankfully RAM chose not to raid Dodge’s compact sedan for the powertrain as Nissan did with the NV200, instead opting for the same 2.4L “Tigershark” engine found in the Chrysler 200. The four-cylinder mill produces 178 horsepower and 172 lb-ft of twist which easily outclasses the NV200 and compares well with the Ford 2.5L naturally aspirated and 1.6L turbo engines. Unfortunately this does not compare terribly well with the average American minivan like Chrysler’s own Town & Country at 283 horsepower. Admittedly the Town & Country is heavier, but the power to weight ratio is still better at the Chrysler dealer.

Helping make up for some of the power defect is a ZF-designed, Chrysler built, 9-speed automatic. (If you want to know more about the 9HP and why it behaves the way it does, check out ZF’s 9HP Transmission Puts Dog Clutches On the Leash.) The 9-speed auto gives the PMC the lowest starting ratio in the segment and the highest final drive making the bulbous RAM the fastest to 30 MPH and the most efficient at 75 MPH. The result is an EPA rating of 21/29/24 MPG (City / Highway / Combined). Should you live in state with higher speed limits the tall 9th gear is a serious advantage. I averaged an impressive 31 MPG on a 70-mile one-way trip with the A/C blowing, cruise control set to 76 MPH and 800 lbs of cement blocks in the rear. If however you commute is in the city, expect that number to drop to the teens.

2015 RAM ProMaster City Wheel

Drive

When you compare the ProMaster City and the Grand Caravan, you’ll notice that the baby-RAM trades 850lbs of curb weight and 105 horsepower for 50% more gears in the transmission. The trade means higher fuel economy as I said, but notably slower acceleration with the RAM taking 9.55 seconds to buzz its way to 60 MPH. That’s Prius territory. Add a thousand pounds and any of these “class 1” cargo vehicles will feel slow, but the turbocharger on Ford’s 1.6L engine helps it scoot to 60 nearly a second faster. The RAM still bests the 2.5L Ford engine and the Nissan and Chevy.

If you’re after exciting dynamics, you’re looking inside the wrong white box. The RAM has a better feel behind the wheel than the Ford, but raw grip is better over at the Blue Oval. The NV200’s leaf springs and wheezy 2.0L engine are the least exciting of the bunch, but the trade is truly the best city fuel economy. The better dynamics in the Transit Connect are not surprising since it is competing both in the cargo hauler and minivan segments. Is the RAM exciting? No. Is there steering feel? No. Can it out handle the Caravan in the left lane? No. But it can out handle a Prius on your mountain bagel delivery route.

2015 RAM ProMaster City Side View-001

And now we must address the glaring problem that hit me when I looked at the price tag. At $23,130 the Tradesman trim of the City is $1,735 more than the 2015 Grand Caravan AVP, aka the cheapest minivan in America. The Caravan isn’t the freshest minivan on the market, but the interior is still several steps above the ProMaster City. Dodge gives you a 283 horse V6 standard, it can swallow a 4×8 sheet of plywood, the factory payload is just 154lbs lower and it will tow 1,600lbs more. FCA does plan on fixing this, but the fix is killing off the AVP instead of lowering the ProMaster City’s price. This value problem is not unique to the RAM however as the Transit is also more expensive than the AVP. Admittedly suggesting the passenger version of the Caravan over the ProMaster City is “missing the point” a little, but the wagon variant we tested widens the gap to nearly $3,000. If your cash is on the line, my best advice is to skip both the ProMaster City and the Transit Connect and get a Caravan AVP while you can. As long as you don’t need the barn doors in the back or don’t mind a DIY conversion, the discount Dodge is the most compelling option.

 

Chrysler provided the vehicle, insurance and one tank of gas for this review

Specifications as tested

0-30: 3.8 Seconds

0-60: 9.55 Seconds

Average economy: 24.3 MPG over 486 miles

 

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29 Comments on “Review: 2015 RAM ProMaster City (with video)...”


  • avatar
    Nick 2012

    Excellent review and welcome back.

    I agree that there isn’t really a compelling reason to go for this over a Caravan AVP unless you’re routinely using a forklift or backing up to a loading dock on a daily basis.

  • avatar
    brettc

    Great to see Alex back on TTAC! So Chrysler is seriously getting rid of the cheap version of the Caravan? Doesn’t seem like the best idea.

    I like the looks of the TC better than this thing, but that doesn’t matter since I won’t be buying one. I can see florists, couriers, and tradespeople buying these. Already seeing a lot of Promasters on the road around here.

  • avatar
    SteelyMoose

    Wow; first glance at the cover photo hinted at a Kia Soul with thyroid problems.

    Looks like a good fit for its intended audience; time will tell if TCO lives up to its utility.

    Welcome back, AD! Looking forward to your reviews going forward.

  • avatar
    Land Ark

    Right now you can get a new Grand Caravan for around $15k (listed on Cars.com). You’re right. As long as these coexist, there is no real reason to get a City over the Caravan if you can live with windows.

    • 0 avatar
      SC5door

      Well yes there is.

      The AVP GC has a carpeted floor. And 3 rows of seats. I don’t quite understand on why this is being compared to a people hauler, and not the Ram C/V which like the PMC is a dedicated cargo van.

  • avatar
    psarhjinian

    Is the nose shorter on the Transit? Or is that just the styling?

  • avatar
    friedclams

    GREAT to have you back, Alex.

    I like this ProMaster a lot. If it had a third row of seats, it would be a worthy successor to my Astro: a roomy utilitarian box. And that highway mileage, carrying that load, is incredible.

  • avatar
    ItsMeMartin

    A funny thing I noticed: You seem to be comparing this car to the Grand Caravan. In the US, the City is more expensive than the Grand Caravan AVP by 1,735$. Where I live the Grand Caravan equivalent (Lancia Grand Voyager) is more expensive than the City equivalent (Fiat Doblo) by 28,330$.
    Have you ever seen a bigger price disparity between two roughly identical cars in two markets? For me, it’s mindblowing.

    • 0 avatar
      Bimmer

      I assume that Lancia Grand Voyager would be equal to Chrysler Town & Country in equipment level. RAM C/V is based on Dodge Grand Caravan, but it’s a cargo van. So, it’s not really fair to compare a fully loaded passenger van to a cargo van, like you did.

      • 0 avatar
        ItsMeMartin

        I know that the Voyager is actually close to the T&C rather than the Caravan equipment-wise but I wanted to compare City/Doblo’s base model to the minivan’s base model for both markets because it shows how the perception and positioning of the Chrysler minivan differs between North America and Europe. In America the GC’s strength comes primarily from its affordability since it is offered for less than a compact delivery truck whereas in Europe Chrysler/Fiat positions the van as an upmarket offering costing several times as much as the Doblo.

    • 0 avatar
      SC5door

      The Grand Caravan AVP is a passenger version, it has 3 rows of seats and no dedicated cargo floor.

      Head over to Ram Trucks for the Ram C/V, which will run $23,500 with destination. (With no options).

  • avatar
    wmba

    Well, it’ll haul twice as much as the RAM pickup tested by C/D in the March issue. The gap between curb weight and GVWR was less than 900 lbs on that one, 1400 on the F150.

    I have zero interest in this vehicle which seems a purely commercial affair, and less than zero interest in the ZF 9 speed which ruins every vehicle into which it is inserted. I’d pay to not have it, and yes I know how it works – unfortunately.

  • avatar
    Hummer

    These just seem to be so overpriced, your getting so little for a lot of money.
    They could definately save money by toning down the interior, the console shifter is a good example, a column shifter that physically connected would save money and be more reliable. The headliner and infotainment seems a little excessive, granted this does seem to be the high trim level package so I can’t say what the base trim gets.

    • 0 avatar
      ItsMeMartin

      My thoughts exactly, it is horribly overpriced. For people-hauling duty the Grand Caravan beats it in almost every way. It’s got more space, a more powerful engine, and it’s cheaper to boot. If you wanted to haul cargo, the cheapest full-size ProMaster van is only 3.5K USD more expensive but is not only far more spacious and more powerful, it’s also built on a platform that is bound to be far more durable than the one underpinning the City. I see no reason to choose the City over either of its stablemates. If it was priced on par with the Dart, buying one might make sense. With the current pricing, I would be surprised to see it sell at a decent rate.

    • 0 avatar
      krhodes1

      Column shifter physically connected to what, exactly? These are computer controlled transmissions, either way the shifter is nothing more than a fancy electrical switch.

  • avatar
    carguy

    Welcome back Alex!

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    I’d look at both options, and then take the Transit all day, every day. It’s entirely better looking, and more proven!

    I look forward to more Alex reviews with nice lonely mountain pass photography. I’d not have chosen my triumphant first-review return to be a cargo van, but that’s a personal preference.

    • 0 avatar
      ReSa

      How is the Transit Connect more proven exactly? The ProMaster/Doblo has been around since 2010 and widely used in Europe, so theoretically it should be more proven than the Connect that came out in 2013…?

      • 0 avatar
        CoreyDL

        Wow, you’re quite uninformed.

        Just because the Transit Connect has a new version in 2013 means precisely -nothing-. It has been in production in Europe since 2002. And of course Ford also sells the regular Transit – the best selling cargo van in the entire world. And that one has been around since 1965.

  • avatar
    GiddyHitch

    Heck yeah, Alex is back!!!!

    Patiently waiting for the return of Farago, Shoemaker, and McAleer now.

  • avatar
    madman2k

    I actually kind of like the styling and utilitarian aspects of this.

    But it’d be a tough sell over the base Caravan for sure.

  • avatar
    wstarvingteacher

    Welcome back Alex. Enjoy your work.

    I have been known to be confused at times but IIRC you were involved in making a DIY jeep pickup just before you left. What happened with that? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Doubt I am in the market for one of these vans. As we grew older a case of Hep C demanded we keep the wife close to a doctor familiar with her case. Always read about the vans though. At one time we thought that when we retired we would put Willie Nelson on an endless loop: “on the road again”. A small van always had my vote as the best way to go. The ford Transit and this van seem to be ideal for that.

  • avatar

    Hey Alex, welcome back. The back portions can’t come with windows? Major no no for a family car.

    FWIW we get the Doblò here (though based off a different car) and I like it a lot. I have driven them extensively and it is one vehicle I’d like to own do to their quirkiness. In Brazil, in that cargo hold, two seats can be put against the sides, making top of the line Doblòs capable of carrying 7. Of course, no luggage then, and don’t ask me about safety because I don’t know.

    To me the Fiat versions look a bit better.


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