By on December 5, 2014

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The next-generation Toyota Tacoma will roll down the ramp this January at the 2015 Detroit Auto Show.

Autoblog reports the announcement came from Toyota senior vice president of operations, Bob Carter, who didn’t offer much else. The new truck is expected to be a significant upgrade than the current model, last refreshed in 2012, and will be coming into a market that now includes the Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon twins, both of whom have done well for themselves since debuting in showrooms this autumn.

Carter also announced that Lexus would unveil two performance vehicles, but again, proclaimed nothing more than the promise that all in attendance would enjoy seeing them.

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66 Comments on “Detroit 2015: Toyota Debuting Next-Gen Tacoma In January...”


  • avatar
    Lie2me

    With Toyota and GM both coming out with new small trucks and Ford sales starting to slide, I’m going to venture a guess that we’re going to see a new Ranger here in North America sooner rather then later

    • 0 avatar
      petezeiss

      Hope it’s this one:

      http://s11.postimg.org/x7f01bsyb/F99c_Ranger.jpg

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        I wouldn’t count on it. This is more likely…

        http://isuzufoto.tuningimagehosting.com/di-2015_ford_ranger_us_release_date-750dc9e01037ac650661eec2981fcd64.jpg

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          It seems like a worse idea or business case, to join a very competitive market. Too competitive in this case.

          And the midsize market is like a small town, with too many fast food chains competing for the small population’s dollars.

          That’s great for the consumer though. Coupons in the mail are like rebates for autos. Think how much each midsize truck would have to be discounted b/c of that competitiveness. And the lack of wiggle room in their profit margins.

          But Ford has spoken on this. Different trucks for different markets. The Ranger is their truck for the rest of the world (where they can get top dollar) and the F-150 is the ideal truck for North America.

          caradvice.com.au/266622/ford-f150-wanted-australia/

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            There’s a reason for fast food chains on every corner, people want fast food. If Ford wants to sit on the s*delines while Toyota and GM (and perhaps FCA) eat their small truck lunch it will be Ford’s loss

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            I don’t get the mentality that every move your competitor makes, needs to be countered by one of your own.

            Look at the In-N-Out burger chain. No tacos, no burritos, no chicken nuggets, no salad, no tender wraps, no breakfast biscuits, no dollar menu, etc, etc. Just great burgers, fries, shakes, fountain drinks. And in limited markets, out west only. They chose their menu and markets carefully, and rake in the pure profits. Busiest fast food in town. At lunch and dinner with lines out the door, and the drive-thru snaking out into the street.

            You let the your competitors cut up their profits, while competing for more cut-throat markets.

            And Ford needs to follow GM’s lead like a hole in the head. The only place GM is headed is to another bankruptcy.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            It’ll be interesting to watch it play out. My money is on Ford caving and we’ll see the Ranger here by 2018

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            If they hadn’t been there, done that, bought the T-shirt, thrown-up on it, gotten crabs, Montezuma’s Revenge, had to bribe a Federale with their last 20 to avoid the TJ taxi, it might be a different story.

            But you never know!

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            If car makers stopped making a certain vehicle because they’d “been there, done that” they wouldn’t be making anything

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            Every niche doesn’t need to be filled, been there or not.

            And the niche can get over-saturated too, as we have with the midsize truck market.

            When GM joined the compact roadster market with the Solstice/Sky, did you see any other OEM P!$$!NG themselves to join that race? Why should the Colorado/Canyon be much different?

          • 0 avatar
            APaGttH

            @Lie2Me

            It seems highly unlikely Ford will bring the Ranger here.

            The “midsize” trucks will have to sell in significant volume to take away fullsize truck sales to the point it hurts.

            The only thing that would make American buying habits change and drive that change in behavior is $5 a gallon gas.

            By all reports, the price of gas will be in the toilet for at least 3 to 4 years, and will likely drop lower than current price points.

            If anything, this will hurt sales of the “compact” trucks.

            With the huge investment Ford has made in aluminum that they need to amortize, don’t expect to see the Ranger here anytime soon.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            The reason Ford will change their mind is headlines like this.

            “Full-Size Trucks In November 2014 – GM Twins Outsell F-Series Again”

            Now add in the sales of the Colorado/Canyon which have the makings of a major hit and you’ll see Ford scrambling

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            “…you’ll see Ford scrambling…”

            Scrambling for what? A huge write-off that goes nowhere? A to give fleet buyers, bottom feeders and other cheapskates a wallet boner???

            GM is in a totally different race… to the bottom.

          • 0 avatar
            stuki

            Ford doesn’t have a Miata competitor either, yet don’t seem too worried about Mazda eating their lunch…..

          • 0 avatar
            mkirk

            So by some of the logic here Ford and GM need to hurry up and jump back in to the minivan market because everyone else is doing it. Additionally GM and Ram had better hurry up and get that super duty competitor on the market.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            APaGttH is correct in his comment regarding the midsizers.

            VW even stated the same. Here’s link and you can see what causing the issue with more competition in the midsize market. Hopefully the Colorado, next Taco and Frontier will change things a little.

            VW also stated for them to manufacture the Amarok the market would have to be 100,000 for VW alone. That size market doesn’t exist yet, so it’s pointless to build a factory to produce Amaroks.

            They could import Amaroks, but then an additional 25% import tariff will make them uncompetitive.

            Maybe one day a level playing field will exist in the US commercial vehicle sector. That’s hoping.

            http://wot.motortrend.com/1312_volkswagen_u_s_ceo_amarok_could_come_here_if_chicken_tax_goes_away.html

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            @BAFO – VW wouldn’t pay 25% when they can do final assembly in US/Mexico for a tiny fraction of that, or pennies per truck on a (final) assembly line, piggybacking an existing line, like the Tacoma and Colorado/Canyon do. They’re not stup!d. But you are, if you believe their propaganda.

            With trucks, VW knows Americans are notorious and world class cheapskates and bottom feeders. Never mind fleet. The Amarok would cannibalize highly profitable VWs too.

            Ask VW what Chicken tax prevents them from bringing over the Scirocco, Polo and a couple other VWs common to the world. It’s called market strategy.

          • 0 avatar
            APaGttH

            @Lie2Me

            …The reason Ford will change their mind is headlines like this.

            “Full-Size Trucks In November 2014 – GM Twins Outsell F-Series Again”…

            By all reports Ford is a bit inventory squeezed on what buyers actually want as they transition to the 2015 F-150. It’s a tough sell on the previous year model when there is so much new in its replacement.

            That’s the only reason F-150 sales are down – and it is only temporary.

          • 0 avatar
            Scoutdude

            @LittoMe “The reason Ford will change their mind is headlines like this.

            “Full-Size Trucks In November 2014 – GM Twins Outsell F-Series Again”

            Now add in the sales of the Colorado/Canyon which have the makings of a major hit and you’ll see Ford scrambling”

            Ford has repeatedly stated that they are not willing to buy the sales title, unlike GM and Toyota, The reason that GM took the crown last month is because they were offering 20% off of the GMC trucks, similarly huge rebates on the Chevy and because Ford inventory is tight due to the changeover.

            The likelihood is that the Canorodo will not turn a single dollar of profit so why would Ford want to join them in throwing away money.

        • 0 avatar
          RobertRyan

          I think Ford will introduce a gas version of the Ranger, with the same modest payloads and towing capabilities of the GM twins. By the way the Colorado won Truck of the Year in Motor Trend magazine

          • 0 avatar
            mkirk

            And…In 1980 the Chevy Citation was the Motor Trend car of the year. If that doesn’t render the award moot then I don’t know what does. The Car of the Year list is littered with some real turds.

          • 0 avatar
            Occam

            The car was a heap of junk in retrospect, but MotorTrend doesn’t know in the first year of a car how it will hold up in 3, 5, 10 years. The X-body was revolutionary at the time… revolutionary meaning GM building something modern instead of more Vegas and Novas.

            It was a failure as a model, but think of what it represents. This, and later the J car were where GM cut their teeth on building modern, FWD, unibody cars with compact V6 engines. GM of the 60’s was innovative, and GM of the 70’s was in a rut. This was the first sign of life.

          • 0 avatar
            Big Al from Oz

            The difference is the Colorado is based on a proven design, like the Transit.

    • 0 avatar
      mkirk

      Ford sales are pretty good considering how old the F150 is. We’ll see how the new one does but even if it does poorly doubt Ford will want to cannibalize those sales with a little truck on the lot.

  • avatar
    White Shadow

    Still waiting to see the 6th generation 4Runner. Toyota really needs to step up with their styling….

    • 0 avatar
      Luke42

      Let’s get more specific.

      Trying to de-bland their cars be putting an aggressive grill and bumper cover on it doesn’t work. The car still looks bland – i’m not sure if it’s something subtle about the design, or just because Toyota vehicles are so popular that whatever they do becomes bland due to overexposure. In any case, they’re bland through and through.

      Also, Toyota customers LIKE bland, at least on their non-niche (non-Scion) vehicles. We own two Toyota vehicles, a Prius and a Sienna. My wife likes that she doesn’t have to rethink what a car is when she moves from one to the other, and I (who’s comfortable driving, aircraft, commercial vans, motorcycles, and everything in between) like that they’re basically normcore camouflage.

      So, yeah, I don’t think their attemps to de-bland the styling worked, or were what Toyota customers want (assuming I’m typical of Toyota customers).

      I’d recommend upscale blandness for the mainstream vehicles, like the Acura sedan that was just revealed. I liked that styling a lot, even though it would have looked at home in any era in which I’ve had a driver’s license. What I think Toyota needs to do to help their image is to give their stylists a lot more lattitude on niche vehicles.

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      The styling doesn’t bother me much. I really, really hope they retain the squared off rear (and lowering rear window)

      Both the Taco and 4Runner could use less thirsty engines and 6+ speed auto trannies. Manual for the 4R would be sweet, and with the FJ gone, and the chief competitor for Colorado-car-for-the-ages Outback gone all CVT, there just may be enough enthusiast takers to make it worth vile…..

      I hope the 4R doesn’t get much bigger than it already is. Toyota already have the Sequoia and Land Cruiser for those who need/want bigger, and the latest 4R is at the upper limit of being meaningfully smaller than those two as it is. And for al that is decent in the world, please don’t fall for the temptation of just importing the Prado and rebadge it. Swing out rear doors really do suck compared to a proper tailgate.

  • avatar
    VW16v

    Having a goal of getting more MPG in there 2.7 4 cylinder over an American made V8 should be at the top of the list.

    • 0 avatar
      rickentropic

      With-out a doubt they’re reading these wisdim nuggets over there in Toyotaland, oops, spellcheck redlined wisdim but likes wisdom, too bad it can’t discern there from their…yet I agree with the multi-valved gentleman

    • 0 avatar
      turf3

      “their” not “there”

    • 0 avatar
      stuki

      Us ‘Mericuns need to buy enough of the things to make it worth vile to give us more modern engines, than what their third world Prado distribution chains are set up to stock parts for and service……

      Of course, we’ll only do that if they entice us with something more compelling than third world powertrains…..

      Now that the Euros, and perhaps Aussies, seem to finally have started questioning the wisdom of pursuing death by soot and low rev ceilings, perhaps there is enough potential 1st world customers to warrant truly modern DI engines for the markets where auto repair shops can be relied on to have electricity and stuff…..

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        “Third World” hmm that includes Japan and Korea, their automotive offerings have been cutting edge as of late. The U.S. has a lot of non-cutting edge ancient power plants

  • avatar
    Hank

    “Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon twins, both of whom have done well for themselves since debuting in showrooms this autumn.”

    I keep hearing this, but have yet to see a single one in the wild, or at the front of a dealer lot here in central Texas where we usually drown in successfully selling trucks.

  • avatar
    Carlson Fan

    Never ever buy a used snowmobile that has been towed in the manner pictured above. They are easy to identify. Just look for the rusted out front suspension and the equally rusted/corroded engine compartment.

  • avatar
    TonyP

    The resale value of Tacomas is insane. I’m interested in seeing how well this new model holds up with the new competition in the mid-sized segment.

  • avatar
    davefromcalgary

    Whats their rush?

  • avatar
    slance66

    This is long overdue. I hoped that the new Canyon would have this effect, and force Toyota to finally update the Tacoma. It’s a tank, but needs a modern, efficient transmission and an interior upgrade (as does the 4Runner).

  • avatar
    Hummer

    Update drivetrain and interior, do not do much to the exterior.

    The GM twins look terrible, the Tacoma is actually a decent looking truck save the big plastic trash can front bumper.

  • avatar
    APaGttH

    Toyota cannot continue to use the “upgrade” playbook they’ve been using.

    The current engine offerings are completely uncompetitive in the power, refinement, and fuel economy space, and the 5-speed auto they’re using (4-speed in the now-defunct base model regular cab Tacoma) is also woefully outdated.

    If the Yaris, Corolla, RAV-4, and Camry refreshes are any indication – and when one looks at news stories of what Toyota has been developing, the picture isn’t exactly rosy.

    Oh it will sell regardless of whether the gas gulping 4.0 V6 and 5-speed auto soldier on or not. Eventually, this lack of investment in newer technology will catch up with them.

    There is no reason to think Toyota is immune to the patterns and fortunes of other makers.

  • avatar
    Occam

    I’m not a trucky guy by any means, but if I could get a Taco with a miserly 4-banger and a manual, and have it ride at a normal height instead of this faux-by-four trend that has taken over the pickup world, I might be tempted.

    • 0 avatar
      mcarr

      Toyota will sell you that now. What they need to do is the same thing they’ve been doing, only with more power and a lot more fuel efficiency.

    • 0 avatar
      gator marco

      Got a 4 cylinder crew cab model about 1 year ago. Automatic; there were zero manuals on the lot. It is almost identical to our 2007 crew cab, except that the 2007 has a 6 cylinder and rides a little higher.
      Wife at least will ride in the 2014, although she has not driven it yet.
      I think the ride is a little softer in the 2014, it is a pleasant commuter vehicle, you can take 4 people with you in relative comfort, and you can throw anything in the bed.
      Toyota should look at adding some creature comforts without requiring a big package upgrade. After I purchased this truck we found out it does not have intermittent wipers. Only single swipe, low, high. Yeah, like it only rains 2 ways in Florida. I had a 1968 Rambler with intermittent wipers. I was told that I should have purchased a “convenience package” that included a fancier radio and blah,blah, for only about another $2200. That is about 8% of the invoice price of the truck. I’ll suffer in silence.

      • 0 avatar
        DenverMike

        Intermittent wipers are way overrated. Seriously, Toyota trucks were the last to get shamed into including side view mirrors and rear bumpers as standard equipment

        • 0 avatar
          agroal

          I’m on Tacoma #2 now. 2011 4cy.5 sp. 4×4 Access Cab. They bought my identically equipped 2000 back for just over $15K three years ago(frame rust). A basic, dependable, smallish truck. Unfortunately the bean counters convinced engineering to leave out a few common sense items that are standard on even the cheapest cars. No bed lighting at all. How tough to incorporate one into the 3rd brake light? No interior back-lighting at night for the power mirrors, clutch start cancel, dome/gauge dimmer, and the most mind boggling one: No back light at night for the rotary 4X4 selection knob. The most important switch in a 4X4. Not even a glove box light. GM will force Toyota to step it up.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            The all-new Tacoma should see some long awaited upgrades to better compete against the new Colorado/Canyon series.

            My #3 son drives a tricked out four-door 4×4 Tacoma SR5 TRD and is on pins and needles to see what the new “real-world” Tacoma will surprise its fans with.

      • 0 avatar
        slance66

        Toyota is insane about giving you anything standard. Lexus RX 350 still doesn’t come with any modern “infotainment” system unless you get Nav. 90% of them are sold without Nav (which requires the upgraded sound system). We have a 2007…they want us to upgrade and beg for our car all the time. Why would I when the 2015 is the same damned car?

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          That’s not really strange, infotainment is an automatic no for me. I refuse to buy anything that has a touchscreen in the dash, and the group of people that feel the same is surely measurable, as the fad seems to be simply an extension of all the digital dash mess we had in the 80s, and all of that looks like ancient technology today. Even mid 00 touchscreen looks like ancient technology, and mid 00 vehicles havent even reached the avg age of vehicles in the U.S.

          • 0 avatar
            Speedygreg7

            Agreed. No infotainment or touch screen please. We have two 2014 RAM 1500s at work. One has Uconnect 3.0 which is a basic radio. The other is Uconnect 5.0 which is touchscreen and reverse camera. I do not mind the camera, but I cannot stand a TV in the dashboard. You cannot turn the thing off. It is always on and always too bright. You can mute the radio, but you cannot turn the damn screen off!! Obviously, I use the Uconnect 3.0 truck exclusively.

            Unfortunately, these screens are becoming standard on all cars. For my personal vehicle I’d pay an extra $500 to NOT have infotainment/touchscreen garbage

        • 0 avatar
          CoreyDL

          [Referring to RX350]

          “Nav. 90% of them are sold without Nav”

          No. Just no.

      • 0 avatar
        mkirk

        I didn’t know such an animal existed. I got a Crew Cab Frontier but only the V6 was offered and the Frontier felt smaller than the Tacoma and no dealer was interested in locating me this base model crew cab Taco around here. The Nissan dealer had no issue. I liked the Tacoma Truck better, but I very much preferred the Nissan’s V6 to the Toyota’s.

      • 0 avatar
        LectroByte

        Re: intermittent wipers.

        You can add that feature pretty easily by simply replacing the column stalk with one with the intermittent settings, runs about $100 or so if I remember right, did this on my brother’s base Tacoma a year or two back. Wanted to add cruise control too, but that was more involved than I or he wanted to tackle.

        • 0 avatar
          DenverMike

          Re: DIY intermittent wipers.

          Yes it’s not hard to do. I rigged my own ‘automatic headlights’ with a couple of relays, on my STX (base ’04) F-150. But that’s not the point. It did come with ‘standard’ intermittent wipers, obviously.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    I wonder if the divergence of the Hilux/Tacoma will be removed. The Tacoma chassis was a Surf chassis, a lighter chassis than the Hilux.

    I’d bet that the next Tacoma will be heavily based on the Hilux. Logic displays this, both vehicles appear to be release at roughly the same time.

    What does interest me is the engine selection for the next generation Hilux/Tacoma. BMW has been in a transfer of technology deal with Toyota. BMW received Toyota’s EV and hybrid tech in exchange for BMW diesel tech.

    Toyota is famous for charging a premium for nothing substantial, the Toyota Tax. I wonder if the next Hilux/Tacoma will be the same?

    I do envisage an relatively renewed interest in the US midsize pickup market. You guys are finally receiving the much more refined and capable global midsizers we’ve had now since late 2010. It’s better late than never.

    http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2014/commercial/toyota/hilux/spy-pics-2015-toyota-hilux-46251

    • 0 avatar
      mkirk

      Hope so. If nothing else it will quash all of these “the grass is greener on the other side of the fence” discussions. I have a lot of experience with the Hilux and Tacomas and they are way more similar than different. I never understood the need for seperate trucks as the US market trucks held up just as well in the worlds crapholes I have been in as the Hiluxes. Whatever truck we get, I hope it has that sweet diesel the Hilux we had in Afghanistan did. If the Frontier gets the little Cummins though my 2013 will be for sale!

      • 0 avatar
        RobertRyan

        They do not do that well in Australia as far as reliability US Pickups, then again we have a lot more experience of comparing them than you would have had being posted to Afghanistan. The current Tacoma is based on the ancient Toyota Surf Hilux, same generation as the D22 Nissans. Hilux is similar to the Tacoma, but a much sturdier frame to handle much heavier loads and the unfortunate Toyota Diesel. Hope the new Hilux coming in 2016 is a vast improvement and on par with the Ranger, Mazda and Amarok

    • 0 avatar
      Speedygreg7

      I do not think this is correct. As I understand it, the Tacoma and 4Runner/Surf/Prado/GX460 are all supposedly 120 series frames, but the Tacoma is not fully boxed where as the others are. Am I wrong? Is the world market HiLux fully boxed?

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        @Speedygreg7,
        I do think they are all related.

        The Prado, FJ Cruiser and 70’s Series are supposed to have the same frames.

        I’ve read that the Tacoma/4Runner/Surf have a lighter frame. I’ve read that the Taco/Surf frame isn’t boxed behind the rear axle, but the Hilux is.

        When it comes down to cross members and construction of the frames I can’t tell you the variations between them.

        I’ll find out if I can find out the differences between the 3 types of chassis’s.

        • 0 avatar
          mkirk

          I thought the GX460 and US Market 4 Runner shared the Prado frame, along with the FJ Cruiser while the Tacoma was indeed a lighter duty version of the Hilux frame. Are any of them actually related to the 70 series? The bones of that truck date well back in to the Reagan Administration I thought. Plus it is a significantly different beast underneath with a solid front axle and all. I think it only got rid of front leafs in the most recent iteration which was still on the same old frame but as this is a truck American Cruiserheads can only lust after unless we want to import a geriatric specimen I am prepared to be wrong.

      • 0 avatar
        Big Al from Oz

        Structurally the FJ Cruiser incorporates a body on frame truck style design based on the Prado platform. The FJ Cruiser uses a high-mounted, double wishbone front suspension and stabilizer bar, and a 4-link rear suspension with lateral rod with coil springs and stabilizer bar.[4] The 120-series Land Cruiser Prado, Tacoma, 4Runner, and Hilux share the same suspension parts as the FJ Cruiser. The FJ Cruiser uses power-assisted 4-piston front/2-piston rear ventilated disc brakes with Anti-lock Braking System (ABS), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD), Brake Assist (BA) and is also equipped with Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) and a specialized traction control system known as (A-TRAC).[22] The A-TRAC (active traction control) system applies braking to control wheels that have lost traction mimicking the performance of a locking differential without the “binding” that can make steering difficult in normal locking differential setups.[23]

        Toyota has made revisions to the engine bay inner fender aprons due to some bulging and cracking issues with 2007 and some early 2008 models. The bulges and cracks in the inner fenders were attributed to a Toyota design flaw through certain Vehicle Identification Numbers. Toyota has addressed the problem and has changed the design.[24]

        The 70 / 75 series Toyota Land Cruiser took over from the 40 / 45 series of workhorse four-wheel drives in 1984. The styling maintained a family resemblance to the 40 / 45 series but became more angular. The 70 / 71 series was the short-wheelbase (SWB), the 73 / 74 was the medium-wheelbase (MWB) and the 75 / 77 was the long-wheelbase (LWB). The latter came as cab-chassis/utility with a “panelled” tray (pick-up), and “troop carrier” hard-top (HT). Toyota also manufactured lighter duty versions that shared the 70 Series designation from 1985 to 1996, and were marketed in various parts of the world as the Bundera, the Prado, or the Land Cruiser II. Of these, the Prado name stuck, and each modification took it further from its 70 Series roots. Starting in 1997 the Prado was known as the 90 Series, and had become a light-duty passenger 4×4 with no relation to the 70 Series.

  • avatar
    Mandalorian

    I think we’ve sort of Moved up a size with regards to trucks in the US. 1500 is the new midsize, 2500 is the new 1500 and so on.

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