Piston Slap: Sleepless Above The 4Runner?

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta

TTAC commentator markholli writes:

Hi Sajeev,

I saw your call for reader questions for the Piston Slap series, and as a diligent and loyal TTAC supporter/Kool-Aid drinker, I will do my best to do my duty (did I just recite the Boy Scout motto?).

You’ve been kind enough to respond to my previous question regarding the failing health of my wife’s Subaru Outback. By the way, in the spirit of CarTalk’s Stump the Chumps question follow-up feature, we ended up dumping the ailing Outback via Craigslist at a discounted price with a full-disclosure of all the mechanical issues (Love. It’s what makes a Subaru a Subaru…or something like that…). We got a 2nd gen Acura MDX and we actually love it. Take note Subaru.

Anyway, to my question: my daily driver is a 2007 4Runner with the lovely Lexus-derived 4.7 V8. The V8 part is important because in the 4×4 variant, as mine is equipped, the power is delivered to the road through a full-time 4-wheel drive setup, rather than the part-time 2H-N-4H-4L system found in the 4.0 V6 4Runner. We’ll come back to that in a moment.

Now, for a story about babies–don’t worry, I’ll tie this all together. Last October the newest addition to our family was born. He’s a super cool dude, and we love him a lot, but he has never been a good sleeper. Even now, 9 months in, he is easily stirred from his nighttime slumber, and usually isn’t happy or easy to put back to sleep when awoken.

As it happens, both of our children’s bedrooms sit right above our 2-car garage, and unfortunately we discovered after moving into our home that sound insulation was pretty low on our homebuilder’s list of priorities (priority make lots of money!). Pair this with the fact that I leave for work in the wee hours of the morning, and the fact that the 4Runner makes a loud roaring noise when fired up, and you see the problem.

To prevent my early morning departures from upsetting the oh-so delicate sleep patterns of the baby, I have started popping the 4Runner’s transmission into neutral and then rolling the car backwards down the 20 foot driveway into the street, where I can safely start it up. My question is this: is this little insane routine of mine causing damage to my drivetrain?

Because it’s material to the discussion, I will note that the full-time 4-wheel drive system and transfer case cannot be shifted into neutral. Thanks!

Sajeev answers:

How dare you reference Subaru’s Love-Centric marketing campaign for an Acura MDX? The fanbois are gonna raise up the “TTAC’s Anti Subaru Bias” flag because these whips are the best thing for you and your family and HOW DARE YOU love an Acura MDX like an Outback?

Now to the 4Runner: odds are the initial kick of that heavy-duty, big-ass finned aluminum clutch on your cooling fan is what howls/growls loud enough to upset the little one resting above the truck. Too bad about that, but hopefully the problem solves itself as he gets bigger and less of…well, less of a baby I guess.

Are you causing any damage by rolling down the driveway, 20 feet a day? This question is much like flat towing a car (especially behind an RV) with one difference: 20 feet ain’t no thang. If you’re still concerned, change the drive line/transmission fluids to fresh and fully synthetic oils (if not already) so you’re ensured the good stuff splashes around when you fire the 4Runner from a dead cold start.

20 feet every week day until he gets old enough to not care about a whooshing fan clutch? Totally not worth worrying about: off to you, Best and Brightest.

[Image: Shutterstock user Alena Ozerova]

Send your queries to sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com. Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry…but be realistic, and use your make/model specific forums instead of TTAC for more timely advice.

Sajeev Mehta
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  • Yuppie Yuppie on Sep 23, 2014

    By rolling down out onto the street before starting the engine do you have enough vacuum in the power brakes to brake hard in an emergency? This is a fairly heavy vehicle after all.

  • Jfbramfeld Jfbramfeld on Sep 23, 2014

    A little unsolicited advice. Do not treat an infant's sleep as something fragile. They may wake up, but they go back to sleep if they are tired. Eventually, and very quickly, they don't wake up no what the state of your transmission/transfer case/wheels or adult conversation. Don't even turn the radio off. These guys are not stupid and like sleep even more than you do. They will promptly learn to sleep through the normal stuff. It is not an urban legend that some, if not most kids, sleep better in a car. On the other hand, because they are smart, they will also learn to require library-like silence if you take the trouble to train them that way. The choice is yours.

    • -Nate -Nate on Sep 23, 2014

      The voice of reason and experience here . Night lights too are unnecessary , by the time you realize you made a mistake , you've taught your Child to be afraid of the dark for a lifetime . -Nate

  • KOKing I owned a Paul Bracq-penned BMW E24 some time ago, and I recently started considering getting Sacco's contemporary, the W124 coupe.
  • Bob The answer is partially that stupid manufacturers stopped producing desirable PHEVs.I bought my older kid a beautiful 2011 Volt, #584 off the assembly line and #000007 for HOV exemption in MD. We love the car. It was clearly an old guy's car, and his kids took away his license.It's a perfect car for a high school kid, really. 35 miles battery range gets her to high school, job, practice, and all her friend's houses with a trickle charge from the 120V outlet. In one year (~7k miles), I have put about 10 gallons of gas in her car, and most of that was for the required VA emissions check minimum engine runtime.But -- most importantly -- that gas tank will let her make the 300-mile trip to college in one shot so that when she is allowed to bring her car on campus, she will actually get there!I'm so impressed with the drivetrain that I have active price alerts for the Cadillac CT6 2.0e PHEV on about 12 different marketplaces to replace my BMW. Would I actually trade in my 3GT for a CT6? Well, it depends on what broke in German that week....
  • ToolGuy Different vehicle of mine: A truck. 'Example' driving pattern: 3/3/4 miles. 9/12/12/9 miles. 1/1/3/3 miles. 5/5 miles. Call that a 'typical' week. Would I ever replace the ICE powertrain in that truck? No, not now. Would I ever convert that truck to EV? Yes, very possibly. Would I ever convert it to a hybrid or PHEV? No, that would be goofy and pointless. 🙂
  • ChristianWimmer Took my ‘89 500SL R129 out for a spin in his honor (not a recent photo).Other great Mercedes’ designers were Friedrich Geiger, who styled the 1930s 500K/540K Roadsters and my favorite S-Class - the W116 - among others. Paul Bracq is also a legend.RIP, Bruno.
  • ToolGuy Currently my drives tend to be either extra short or fairly long. (We'll pick that vehicle over there and figure in the last month, 5 miles round trip 3 times a week, plus 1,000 miles round trip once.) The short trips are torture for the internal combustion powertrain, the long trips are (relative) torture for my wallet. There is no possible way that the math works to justify an 'upgrade' to a more efficient ICE, or an EV, or a hybrid, or a PHEV. Plus my long trips tend to include (very) out of the way places. One day the math will work and the range will work and the infrastructure will work (if the range works) and it will work in favor of a straight EV (purchased used). At that point the short trips won't be torture for the EV components and the long trips shouldn't hurt my wallet. What we will have at that point is the steady drip-drip-drip of long-term battery degradation. (I always pictured myself buying generic modular replacement cells at Harbor Freight or its future equivalent, but who knows if that will be possible). The other option that would almost possibly work math-wise would be to lease a new EV at some future point (but the payment would need to be really right). TL;DR: ICE now, EV later, Hybrid maybe, PHEV probably never.
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