By on August 7, 2014

Linde Hydrogen Fuel Pump

Silicon Valley startup bros looking to trade in their Teslas and Prii for FCEVs and Mirais will soon have two fueling options available from gas giant Linde North America.

Autoblog Green reports Linde received a $4.3 million grant from the California Energy Commission to build two fueling stations in Oakland and San Ramon. The Oakland location will be at Oakland International Airport, while the San Ramon station will be next to Toyota’s regional office and parts distribution center for the Bay Area.

Linde’s two stations are part of 13 such stations in NoCal to be funded through the CEC’s Alternative and Renewable Fuel and Vehicle Technology Program, joining 15 hydrogen stations in SoCal. Eight applicants in total won grant funding from the program, whose goal is to have 100 stations in operation within 10 years. The program receives $20 million annually from the California state legislature.

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19 Comments on “Linde North America Receives $4.3M To Build Two NoCal Hydrogen Stations...”


  • avatar
    redav

    How many customers will these stations need to get to stay in business?

  • avatar
    shaker

    Hydrogen is a dead-end, promoted by Big Oil/Gas to delay/defund BEV development, adding to the time they have to get America hooked on natural gas and fracking.

    Our Government/Politicians are apparently complicit in this giant scam.

    • 0 avatar
      Vega

      If they just wanted to get people hooked on natural gas it would be easier to promote CNG as automotive fuel.

      However the nice thing about hydrogen is that in addition to the natural gas route (steam reforming) it can also be produced through electrolysis using water and electricity. Thus it is also possible to use renewable energy.

      However, given the well thought out, non-polemic wording of your comment you knew that already, right?

      • 0 avatar
        FormerFF

        While you can produce hydrogen from electricity, it is inefficient to do so. It’s better to store the electricity in a battery.

        At the current state of technology, I do believe the plug in hybrid is the way to go.

      • 0 avatar
        pragmatist

        Hugely massive amounts of energy. The only source even remotely possible at this point is to build many additional nuclear plants.

        Hence virtually all commercially available hydrogen is from natural gas.

  • avatar
    Master Baiter

    “The program receives $20 million annually from the California state legislature.”

    No, the program receives $20M annually from the already over-taxed residents of California.

  • avatar
    CoreyDL

    I have never heard of Linde, but their logo looks much too elegant for a gas station, and puts me in mind of Lindt (chocolate truffles).

  • avatar
    RogerB34

    Several articles CA newspaper warning of increase in gasoline tax by up to 15 cents beginning Jan 2015. Levied by the appointed California Air Resources Board. Whenever they see the overriding social benefit.
    On another front, state subsidies for diapers for the disadvantaged has been proposed. Why not?

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Hydrogen is the most slippery gas there is.

    I prefer the relative safety of Nissan’s lithium ion:
    “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz37WycW-7E”

    The only good thing about these fueling stations is that nobody will use them.

  • avatar
    Mick White

    BEVs can only be a niche product long-term, because the infrastructure will still need to be there in order to support transport, on-and-off-highway trucks, boats, residential heating, industrial and commercial backup power, etc.

    That infrastructure, like it or not, is likely going to be natural gas. Which is why I’m most interested in the development of Solid Oxide Fuel Cells. As they replace the stand-alone generator market, their cost will decrease.

    Batteries cannot cover the whole spectrum of what ICE’s currently cover. Fuel cells (particularly ones that run off petrol/diesel/gas) can.

    For now, fuel cells should be encouraged by the enthusiast community. They would also be great for sports cars and muscle cars, because range extension with a 17kg fuel cell could nearly double the highway fuel economy, while still maintaining the engine/transmission of choice for acceleration and ‘track’ purposes. Can’t wait until they can also run off the same fuel as is already in the ICE vehicle’s fuel tank.

    • 0 avatar

      It is puzzling why Natural Gas has not been used directly in ICE engines on a larger scale. The fuel requires little to no refining and the infrastructure is readily available in all major cities.

      However no matter if Natural gas is consumed in an ICE or a Fuel Cell it is a non-renewable resource and will eventually get to be expensive to obtain. It is a short-term solution.

      BEV’s are a much longer-term solution since they can be powered by renewable or non renewable energy sources alike. BEV’s are energy source agnostic. The additional cost of a fuel cell is unnecessary in the majority of private vehicles. Long haul heavy goods vehicles will need to burn fuel in an engine or fuel cell to accomplish their tasks, much like Diesel locomotives do today.

      • 0 avatar
        Pch101

        Natural gas is a low density fuel. In a standard compact or midsized car, you can say goodbye to much of your luggage space.

        The tanks needs to be replaced periodically. Having a bunch of natural gas beaters on the roads would pose a safety hazard. Old tanks have a habit of exploding on occasion, and the results aren’t pretty when they do.

        In any case, there is enough conventional fuel available that there isn’t much reason to switch. Accordingly, not much reason to provide the fueling infrastructure or to buy the cars.

        Natural gas could make sense for trucking and commercial large vehicle fleets, which don’t need to worry about the density and that are more likely to replace the tanks when required. For passenger cars, not so much.

  • avatar
    martinwinlow

    So, that’s 2 in NoCal and 3 (currently) in SoCal… only another 120,000 to go to bring parity with the number of US gas stations!

    Please write to your MC pleading them to do what they can to stop this lunacy before too much more money is poured down the drain. MW

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