Nine Speeds Of Grey: What's Really Going On With Cherokee Transmissions?

Jack Baruth
by Jack Baruth

As the plot thickens in Toledo and un-shipped Cherokees start to pile up in the storage lots, there’s a new conspiracy theory being passed around to explain Chrysler’s problems.



We received this email earlier today, and while we can’t vouch for the writer or the contents, what if he’s right?

I was going to send to TTAC Staff… but I heard [from] a few Chrysler engineers that part of the 9 speed launch issue at Toledo was being drawn out to lower the VEBA price if the shares got into court proceedings by end of the year.

Now, this really sounds less likely than the reality that Chrysler and their supplier just FUBARed it by running simulations instead of real world testing until it was too late, which I have also heard. But, this rumor is more fun and don’t forget Machiavelli was Italian and wore a sweater vest!

Well, that may be a rumor too.

But, with the price being a couple BILLION dollars different that’s still less than a few months hit on a late launch.

BTW, these guys… were sure the issue was going to be fixed before their UF Chrysler 200 launch in March/April… even though they use the same engines and FWD part of the 9 speed. Classic, just classic.

So. Crazy conspiracy theory or on the level? To me it fails part of the test for this sort of thing, which is that it requires the connivance of too many people. I want to believe that there is a secret Star Chamber making long-term tactical decisions to ensure the future success of Chrysler, but if such a group exists, surely they were formed extremely recently. At least after the 2.7-liter V-6. Unless that was part of the conspiracy too.

In fact, you can easily argue that anybody powerful enough to create the scenario above would also be powerful enough to keep me from writing an arti

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  • 28-Cars-Later 28-Cars-Later on Oct 18, 2013

    I'd love to hear a Chrysler insider on this because I believe the 3.3 was used in longitudinal (LH Gen 1) and transvers (minivans) configurations. Seems like the engine that should not be named was redundant from the start.

  • Zip89123 Zip89123 on Oct 19, 2013

    Pay Toyota to use their 4, 5, and 6 speed transmissions and be done with it.

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    • 28-Cars-Later 28-Cars-Later on Oct 21, 2013

      @chaparral I see your point about competitive advantages but would people really care if the transmission were sourced from Toyota? Heck I would think that might actually help sell it.

  • El scotto Dale Carnegie had his grandkids do some upgrades?
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  • FreedMike Some clarification would make sense here: Tesla is laying off the team responsible for BUILDING NEW Supercharger stations. Apparently the ones already being built are going to be completed. The folks who maintain the current network are apparently unaffected. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/30/business/tesla-layoffs-supercharger-team.htmlAlso, many other other manufacturers are switching to NACS in the upcoming years, and some of those companies are already providing Supercharger adaptors for their non-NACS vehicles. Some Superchargers can already accomodate non-Tesla vehicles with a built in adaptor called the "magic dock."Given all this, my guess? They're trying to maximize utilization of the current system before building it out further.
  • Dartman Damn Healey! You can only milk a cow so many times a day! Don’t worry though I bet Flex, 28, 1991, and all the usual suspects are just getting their fingers warmed up!
  • FreedMike Your Ford AI instructor:
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