Piston Slap: New or Used? Neither.

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta

James writes:

My wife and I are considering replacing one of our cars. I drive a 2007 Honda Fit Sport (125k miles) and she drives a 2002 Subaru Forester (135k). We both have long commutes and I drive 30k per year and she drives over 20k per year.

Her Subaru is well cared for but aging. While is overall has been a pretty good vehicle, we’ve had to make the following, fairly typical, repairs over the last few months:

• New ball joint

• New CV joint.

• Timing Belt/Water pump/Thermostat/Camshaft and crankshaft seals.

• New tires/battery

Recently the CEL has come and gone, reporting that the catalytic converter is not operating optimally. This has been replaced once already in 2007. Thankfully, we’ve had no transmission or head gasket issues thus far with her Subaru.

My Honda has been an excellent vehicle and we’d likely hang onto that for another year or so. We’ve had our eyes on the new Forester, Suzuki Grand Vitara, and Chevy Equinox, but are also considering something used so potentially save a few dollars. I also have a friend who is a used dealer that has offered to grab us something from the auction for a reasonable price.

Both vehicles are paid off and we can theoretically pay cash for a new/used vehicle. We have one 2wd vehicle and would look for another 4×4 vehicle with adequate cargo space to assist with the mid-atlantic winters and children. She’s not all that picky (a well above average wife with a well below average desire for things automotive).

So my question: Fight or Flight…is it worth keeping the aging Subaru with hopefully minor future repairs or selling it and nabbing a newer vehicle that is comparable in size, perhaps safer and perhaps better equipped?

Sajeev answers:

It sounds like your Subie is well cared for, with owners who understand the pitfalls of this specific vintage. Odds are if you keep the coolant changed at regular intervals, use the correct oil (more of a problem with WRX-hoons) and generally keep an eye on things, I don’t see why this Subie can’t go well over 200,000 miles with regular upkeep. Did I just say that?

Yes indeed, so keep those “Sajeev/TTAC has an anti-Subaru agenda” comments to past Piston Slaps. If the owner or the vehicle’s condition were less advantageous, by all means, dump this complicated piece of quirky charm-tastic Japanese engineering for something more mainstream. Like maybe a Honda CR-V.

By all means, keep up the good fight. If the check engine light came on, have it tested at a local parts store and look up the code on NASIOC.com. And be proactive for the next few years, if for no other reason that your foresight creates a window of opportunity: I don’t much care for any of your “new car” alternatives, and there’s cooler stuff on the horizon. Fingers crossed on that last part.

Send your queries to mehta@ttac.com. Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry.

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  • Mhadi Mhadi on Mar 10, 2011

    As a 2002 Subaru owner, I would say get rid of the Forester before it starts developing a head-gasket leak - then you are stuck either with a costly repair (on a car that is not worth much) or a hit on selling the thing. My Subaru developed a head-gasket leak at 78,000 miles (despite meticulous servicing and synthetic oil from day one) due to faulty engine-design typical of Subaru's of the era. The cost of repair is 60% of the resale price of the car. New Subaru's unfortunatlely do not appear to be as well-built as the older ones (head-gasket leaks non withstanding) - they appear to have undergone the cost-cutting trend of the industry rampant in the cheaper middle-class cars - cheaper plastics, seats, knobs, parts, etc. I personally have moved away from Subaru altogether, after being an ardent Subaru-fan for many years.

  • YYYYguy YYYYguy on Mar 10, 2011

    I must confess, I sent this email in around a month ago and since then we went ahead (just before tax time, per Steve's advice)and found a killer deal on a used 2010 Suzuki GV Xsport 4x4 V6. After a few trips to the local auto parts store for code reads, we realized that although we could squeak out a few extra miles out of the Subaru until inspection time it was best to sell it. The upside is the newer vehicle has all the modern features we like, it doesn't rattle, and still has over 80k left on the warranty. We also got a decent private sale value on the Subaru. So in sum, we valued cost avoidance in one respect (potentially sinking thousands into a 9 yr old car) and bought some piece of mind.

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