By on August 8, 2010

I really love talking about cars with people. Notice that does not say “being talked at by people about cars.”  That exact circumstance, however, happens on a daily basis at my job. It’s enough to make me wish I never had to say a word to anyone and instead take up Tawny Kittaen’s post on the hood of a Jaguar.

One of the biggest pet peeves of any sort of expert is having some twit run his mouth about a subject on which he obviously has little knowledge. “Knows just enough to be annoying,” we call it at the auto show. Complaining for a solid half hour about the differences between this supercar over here and that supercar over there falls into that category.

Why? Because nine times out of ten the person doing the complaining has never driven the vehicle they’re moaning on about.

Lest you think I’m judging books by covers, I know this because I ask.

When a guest at a marketing event starts making disparaging remarks about any car, the first thing out of my mouth is, “Have you ever driven it?” If the answer is yes, then game on. Let’s have an intelligent conversation about your critiques. If the answer is no, then this guy has little to no idea what he’s talking about.

A couple of weeks ago Derek Kreindler remarked on his blog, “…doesn’t it begin to sound a little ridiculous when people try and throw out technical arguments to debate the merits of cars way beyond their station? So what if the C63 has an automatic, or if the RS4 is ‘inferior.’ I’m willing to bet that nobody in that thread can exploit any of those cars to even close to their full potential.” (He was referring to a conversation in a discussion group; hit up his blog to see the details.)

Welcome to my world, Derek.

Here’s my side of a sample conversation I have about five times a day at the auto show: I’m sorry you don’t like paddle shifters, mister. Have you ever used them before? No? Hmmm. Do you care to know why we put them in there instead of a stick? No, you just want to keep complaining? Okay. So it means nothing to you that Ferrari, Lamborghini, F1, et al use paddle shifters and not a slow and clunky stick? And you would never actually be buying this car regardless of the transmission type anyway, correct?

Translate that conversation into safety at the Smart or Toyota displays, fuel mileage of a performance hybrid at Porsche, Mercedes or Lexus, etc. We product specialists can talk specs until we’re blue in the face, but people like this don’t want to hear them. They will go around to each and every display with the same song and dance, except for the manufacturer on whose truck they’ve placed their Calvin-pissing-on-a-different-truck sticker.

If you have ever actually researched and experienced these vehicles, let’s debate! If you have questions about the features you’re criticizing and actually want to hear the answer, let’s chat! That’s my job! If you just want to run your mouth about something about which you know nothing and don’t care to learn, take it to your mom’s house. She’s the only one who cares.

The Booth Babe is an anonymous auto show model who dishes about what really goes on behind the scenes. Read her blog at http://doyoucomewiththecar.blogspot.com. And if you treat her nicely, read her each Sunday at Thetruthaboutcars.com

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56 Comments on “The Booth Babe Chronicles: Paging Tawny Kittaen...”


  • avatar
    dwford

    You can’t argue with ignorance, you can only politely tolerate it. You deal with these people every day in the service industry.

    • 0 avatar

      +1

      Although I understand you’re just airing out your concerns, it’s not as though you have the liberty of completely turning off people who offer a steaming plate of bull.

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      Of course not. If you work in any service industry, dealing with know it alls and people that look down on you comes with the territory.

      I think Booth Babe is drawing a distinction between having a passionate debate about a vehicle between two well informed people vs, having to listen to an uninformed person spout their opinions that aren’t based on facts or experience.

    • 0 avatar
      litespeed65

      This article on TTAC is ironic- the responses are perplexing. Annoying know-it-all’s? Relentlessly negative bulllies sharing their “wisdom” about a car that they probably have never driven? People who never let common sense or facts get in the way of a good argument? Sounds like a bad case of TTAC syndrome.

  • avatar
    Maxb49

    I don’t see the reason for your vicious animosity towards people who criticize a particular element of a car’s design. It’s called preferences. Me? I don’t like floor shifters, period. I don’t like them. I like a shift on the column and I’d prefer that to any other type of shifting design. I had a car with a manual transmission on the column and I loved that too. If people didn’t come to your shows you wouldn’t be a “booth babe”. So why don’t you just lighten up a little?

  • avatar
    Philip Riegert

    I work at a Toyota dealership as a service advisor. How do you think I feel?! I get it worse than that, and have for 5+ years. If ignorance is bliss, the world will never go to war with that much abundant bliss.

  • avatar
    european

    BORRRRRRING

  • avatar
    european

    i like how she is hilariously INCONSISTENT. yep thats right.
    first she says “you have to wear this watch, drive that car, basically have things that show your current status in life” (one of her previous posts @ttac), then she tells us how she “doesnt judge a book by its covers” (link she provided today).

    yep. now add some biaatching coz she’s angry at what she does and you got yourself a blog.

    girlfriend, if you trully want help, i’m here for you. i’ve seen all those grumpy links at your dycwtc blog. you’ve got yourself a webring of depressed ppls. “Miss Information is annoyed by a grandmother”, “Customers Suck Did you miss the part where they said Welcome To Y?” etc etc

    lighten up, will ya. and stop reading that shieete. mmm k

  • avatar
    obbop

    I still miss that slant-6 and 3-on-the-tree.

    Even at the relatively tender age of 18 I felt so mature, even grandfatherly, atop that full access bench seat in that powder blue Plymouth Duster, while shifting to maximize the 120 throbbing horsepower while attaining a true 30 mpg (measured using the New Math learned in the 1960s) on level terrain with no head wind.

    Good days!!!!

    Still would have rejoiced if a small V8 gurgled under the hood but anything was better than a Vega.

  • avatar
    BlisterInTheSun

    It must be hell to have to regularly deal with people who appear at your events armed with whatever opinion they’ve been sold by some blog or mass media publication.

  • avatar
    european

    as an addition to my previous post…

    hey girlfriend, if you trully want some depressed ppl blogs to add to yer webring, i’ve got the undeniably best one.

    it has it all, snob attitube, eloquent writing, intellectualy leveled, i mean everything. after reading it, you feel so much smarter than anyone else. so much more special. yea…

  • avatar
    dwford

    To those of us that work in the retail side of the auto industry, the Booth Babe Chronicles is preaching to the choir. I think that the only people here that would be upset by her observations are likely the ones she is talking about.

    • 0 avatar
      Maxb49

      No, the one’s who don’t care about “her” drivel are those people who see “her” as a vacuous dimwit snob upset with her inability to find a real job. “She” may not exist. Regardless, this column detracts from the otherwise enjoyable website.

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      Why do you need to put “her” and “she” in quotations? Are you implying that this column is a front for a man’s perspective? What do you define as a “real” job? Lot’s of “real” jobs give you the conveniences you enjoy in life.

      Why discount one person’s perspective on the the auto industry just because she describes the many types of people she encounters? I doubt you go through life not commenting on the people you work with/for.

    • 0 avatar
      european

      dwford

      she doesnt at all describe the people she encounters. all her blog is about : “I AM ANGRY” or “I AM BORED”. the people at an autoshow arent at fault. its something else thats eating her from inside. she’s just venting at them (autoshow visitors). but they are not the problem. if she was innerly happy, she wouldnt give a shiit at any idiot, she’d just giggle.

      all i see is, she is a very unhappy person. and needs to change things. for her own sake. just coming here and whining, and even tho she gets a paycheck for her writings, wont help. it just feeds the unhappiness. she needs to brake the vicious circle. become more positive. you now… maybe surround herself with new friends…

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      You do realize that you are criticizing her in exactly the same way that she is criticizing the autoshow goers?

    • 0 avatar
      european

      dwford

      so you agree with the most of us that her blog has no value at all?

      cool buddy ;-)

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      ANY blog is nothing more than one persons unsolicited opinions. I appreciate her blog as it talks about the auto biz from a similar point of view as my own. Just because it doesn’t reflect YOUR point of view doesn’t mean it is any more or less valid – as blogs go.

      I still say that the only people who should be offended or angry by her opinions are the people she is talking about. If you are offended by her critiques, they must be hitting too close to home.

  • avatar
    BMWfan

    In the immortal words of Popeye:

    “That’s all I can stands, cuz I can’t stands n’more!” I think you need to find a different line of work. You are not exactly a people person. Seems like I’m not the only one that has come to that conclusion. Honestly, give up the space to some up and coming automotive journalist that actually has something useful to contribute.

    • 0 avatar
      JuniorMint

      For the record, -your- hits on this page are what keeps her here. :)

      If you can find an up-and-coming automotive journalist with something to contribute who can also generate 54 comments and who-knows-what traffic in 24 hours, I’m sure Mr. Niedermeyer will give him/her a slot!

  • avatar
    RenoLT

    Although I can completely understand Booth Babes point, I must interject something. After going to numerous car shows across the US, I find that what is said about the specs is usually only what is in the model show pamphlet. There have been several times when I have asked very technical or specific questions, the answer in return is no where close to what was asked.

    We also have to realize that consumers are becoming more aware of the vehicles they are driving. It used to be 10 – 15 years ago, that the car show events where the main education of the public for the cars they wanted to buy. In the electronic era we are in, that is not the case. So yes, I am sure the Booth Babe now gets these questions from a public that thinks it is much more knowledgable than it is.

    As an aside, don’t judge all of us books by our covers. Some are just as interesting with out all the gold leaf!

  • avatar
    also Tom

    It’s off topic (sort of) but I liked looking at Tawny in her prime. Not a great beauty but certainly fetching….enough so that if I remember correctly, David Coverdale took her home with him after this shoot and she went through his money like fire in a Russian forest. If she wrapped that (then) spectacular lower body around his waist often enough he probably considered it fair trade. There’s a lesson here maybe, although I don’t know what it is. Go ahead and yell (at me) now, but you were warned in advance.

    • 0 avatar
      KIM1963

      Tawny Kitaen and David Coverdale actually were married for a couple yrs . Alcohol and drugs have taken their toll on the once “fetching” Tawny but David Coverdale still today has great hair !

      It’s been a long time since i had seen this vid . MTV played it constantly when it first came out .

    • 0 avatar
      Syke

      Keep in mind that the video is something like 23-25 years old. Tawney doesn’t look too bad for pushing 50, although the anger management issues have been causing her a load of legal trouble lately.

      Tawney and a couple of Jags – that’s a sight that will never get old. The song ain’t too bad, either.

  • avatar
    NulloModo

    I think a lot of people are missing BB’s point here. Anyone who has ever worked in car sales knows the type that comes on to the lot for no particular reason other than to complain.

    I had a gentleman the other day who got out of his car, and after I greeted him with ‘Hey, how are you doing today?’ his reply was ‘Awful’ – I should have known to run right there. Instead I try to answer some questions he has about some cars, but all he keeps doing is saying how much better a Toyota is than anything I have. ‘Well sir, have you ever driven a Fusion?’ ‘No, I don’t need to’OK… And finally, ‘What exactly is it about the Toyota that you like more?’ ‘Everything!’. So, basically, the guy decides to stop by my lot in the middle of the day, grouchy as all get out, presumably aware that we don’t sell Toyotas due to the giant Ford sign out front, for no other reason than to dismiss everything we have without ever driving it, learning a thing about it, or giving me any reason or in to try to find out why he doesn’t like it.

    If you don’t like one of my cars, that’s fine, I realize I am not going to be able to sell a car to everyone who comes onto the lot. At least have the courtesy to tell me what about a vehicle doesn’t please you though, or what it is you are looking for, because maybe, just maybe, I might know something that would help you find an answer to your question.

    There are also the people that come in with completely ridiculous and false presumptions, and don’t want to hear a word of truth no matter what you do. I had a lady come in to look at Expeditions, see the ‘Flex-Fuel’ badge on the back of one, and immediately tell me she wasn’t interested anymore. I asked why, and her answer was ‘Because Flex-fuel cars are all way too slow’. I tried to pry into her thought process a bit about how she had come to that conclusion, explain to her that just because a vehicle can run on flex fuel doesn’t mean you have to run it on E85 (and even if you did run it on E85, you would actually get more power), and that the process to make something E85 capable really only involves switching out a few hoses and tanks for different materials, and that it doesn’t impact engine performance at all. In the end it came out ‘Well I rented a Dodge that was flex fuel and it was way too slow’, well, OK, fair enough ‘How about we take this Expedition for a drive so you can see how much power it has?’ and of course her replay of ‘No, I don’t need to, I already know how flex fuel cars drive’. Ugh.

    These are the idiots that make you want to pull your hair out. I have nothing against someone coming in uninformed, or even with wrong ideas, after all, that is why I am there, to be source of information and a guide to help someone find the right car to meet their needs. I do have a big problem with people who come in to complain and accost me with unfounded arguments, and never bother to try to listen to a word I say when I try to enlighten them a bit.

    • 0 avatar
      KIM1963

      NulloModo … You must have a lot of patience . This ” grouchy” guy who drives into a FORD dealership. I’m assuming he is considering buying a vehicle and all he does is tell you how much better a Toyota is than what you have, and likes “everything ” about a Toyota better . I’d have pointed him to the nearest Toyota dealership and told him to come back to see me when he was ready to purchase a good vehicle !

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      This something I have never understood. Why do you go to a dealership and insult the product? Why go there at all if you think its junk? Is it a ploy to talk down the product to negotiate a lower price? Is it that you like being a jerk and wasting the salesman’s time?

    • 0 avatar
      Wheeljack

      Nullo, I’m sure you’ll admit that for every informed automobile salesperson like yourself, there are 10 idiots who don’t know their product and could care less – they’ll just make stuff up on the fly because they assume all customers are morons. For them it’s all about tail lights over the curb and they really don’t care what make they sell because it’s all the same.

      Years ago I walked into a Lincoln dealership to look at the then new Mark VIII. The salesman tried to tell me that the new 4.6L DOHC engine was just an old 302 with new heads on it. When I informed him in otherwise, he wanted to get into an argument about it. I’m quite certain there was considerable detail on the new engine in the information Ford gives the dealers to help them understand the product if he could have been bothered to read it. I’m sure his excuse would have been that he doesn’t have time to read because it takes away from his time to sell.

    • 0 avatar
      JuniorMint

      Nullo-

      Where are you, so I can come buy a car from you?

      Thanks!

  • avatar
    dwford

    Maybe all the haters here are just intimidated by a undoubtedly hot (blonde?) woman that has more knowledge about various cars than they do.

  • avatar
    dwford

    I don’t usually go to Booth Babe’s blog. But I just did and it’s funny that she writes this in a recent post:

    “The thing that really gets me is this: If you are so upset and worked up over what I wrote, I can guarantee you that you are the person I’m writing about. You’re pissed because I just called you out on your idiocy. Frankly, everyone else – the normal, polite, engaging, non-sexist, non-racist, hygienic, intelligent people – everyone else thinks it’s funny.And they think it’s funny because they know it’s true.

    The things I write about don’t just happen to me, and they don’t just happen at the auto show. Anyone who has worked with the public for any amount of time can tell the same stories. The only difference is I’m standing in a convention center when these things happen, and they are waiting tables or ringing up your purchases or writing your traffic tickets or trying to help you at the bank.

    So I’m not the only person who thinks you’re an a$$hole. Basically, everyone you encounter every day of your life thinks you’re an a$$hole. Don’t shoot the messenger.”

    • 0 avatar
      dastanley

      As a former airline captain, I can agree that dealing with the public can be trying. I mean, everyone and their grandmother is an expert at aviation. Every piece of bad news that we give the public is automatically a conspiracy, whether it’s a flight delay or cancellation due to bad weather or maintenance or whatever. The airline is either always lying or full of incompetant idiots out to screw the public. And after every flight, as we’re standing at the doorway thanking everyone as they exit, some smart ass always tells me how to land better next time in a 35 knot gusting crosswind after the tower directed us to expedite off the runway due to traffic on approach a half mile behind us.

      On the other hand, the exasperating public also buys tickets that translates into a paycheck, my paycheck. And the crew members that are smart and have good people skills usually get tips from the traveling public. Nice flight attendants (and pilots), even if they are male or a not too attractive female, can work the cabin with a genuine smile and get $50.00 or higher tip every leg (flight). The beautiful ice bitches that either ignore the passengers or are rude to them gets nothing (and if an offended passenger complains to me, the captain, then I file a report with that flight attendant’s supervisor back at their domicile).

      The local NAPA auto parts store in my small town in New Mexico used to display a large sign/poster that effectively stated all the ways that the customer should be treated. They listed several ways that a customer service rep can demonstrate that, such as not arguing or matching wits with the customer, let the customer always think they are right, never show any impatience or contempt, always be respectful, never act better, smarter, or superior to the customer, etc. Those little things can go a long way, not only to external customers outside of the company, but also to internal customers or coworkers.

      Bottom line, if you don’t like people, get a job where you don’t have to deal with people. But afterwards, don’t complain that the pay and benefits are not what they were before.

    • 0 avatar
      Syke

      Which is precisely why I’m now the accounts payable department at the Honda/Yamaha shop that employs me, rather than the two years I put in at the service desk. “Sweetness and light” and “have it your way” are two concepts that never quite computed to me. Having the end of the month books line up is something I understand very well.

  • avatar
    BMWfan

    Isn’t it funny that some people who work in the service industry always complain about the people they serve? The people who put food on their table. The people who make it possible for them to make the monthly payments on their ride. When I worked in service a long time ago, I tried to help people the best I could because it WAS MY JOB. Some of the a$$hole$ that I worked with were always making fun of the customers. What they wore, how they looked. They were always the first guys to get fired when times got lean, and they ALWAYS whined after they got canned, asking “why me?” There will always be impossible to satisfy, tough customers that will make your life miserable. Your JOB is to try the best you can, then STFU! Move on to the next customer. You don’t ever make fun of a customer, because I have found that the guy in the dirty jeans with the 3 day growth is more likely than not to be the guy that whips out hundred dollar bills to buy the top of the line stereo system you showed him after the other “salesmen” avoided him like the plague.What’s REALLY funny about what dwford alluded to is that someday in the future these people that think their customers are funny or dorks will be sitting in their trailer, way past their prime, no savings, no retirement plan, driving an old POS, wondering where it all went so horribly wrong.

    • 0 avatar
      NulloModo

      BMW –

      I’m sure that everyone, no matter their occupation, has moments where they hate their job, or have situations that they get put in because of their job that they are uncomfortable with. That’s just life, and I’m with you in that you’ve just got to have a stiff upper lip and keep on keepin’ on.

      I didn’t get anything from BBs post that she was demeaning or insulting to these people though, and blogs can be a way to let someone into your POV for a while, as well as blow off a little steam.

      Anyone who has ever worked sales knows that the customer isn’t always right. You don’t say anything to their faces about it, you don’t demean or insult them, and you try to work through it as best you can, because at the end of the day, you’d like to have their money jump out of their wallet into yours, but there isn’t much harm in ranting some after all is said and done and the offending parties have gone home.

    • 0 avatar
      psarhjinian

      Isn’t it funny that some people who work in the service industry always complain about the people they serve?

      Yes, it is funny. Just not “ha ha” funny. It’s often because the people they’re serving forget that they people serving them are people, too.

      I managed a sizable IT help desk for some time and much of the HR literature pointed to abuse of service staff as a real problem across the service industry. There’s a lot of reasons for this, part of it management ducking responsibility, but a lot of it is that service people often see the rest of humanity at their worst, or at least at their least empathic. The serviceperson is either a product (at best) or a punching bag (at worst).

      It’s necessary for these people to blow off steam. Personally, I think they should get free counselling as well, depending on the industry and nature of the work.

  • avatar
    dwford

    BMW,

    It’s funny that you have a stereotype of people in the service industry as lazy, disgruntled slackers with no dreams, no graps of our finances living day to day in our trailers. That may be true of many, but just as we car salesmen shouldn’t pre-judge the scruffy millionare, you shouldn’t pre-judge us. Many of us make great money doing this and have our finances in order. I drive a brand new 2011 Sonata (not a demo), own my own home, have perfect credit and a nice 401k. I have pre-payed my mortgage $2500 per month every month this year scraping by on my lowly car salesman pay. Did you?

    So if I occasionally have a low tolerance for a jerk of a customer, so be it.

  • avatar
    BMWfan

    @NulloModo

    I used to think it to myself sometimes after a really horrible encounter, but I never said anything to anyone else. I had seen to many times when it came back to bite the offender. If you go over to the BB blog you will read several things that are insulting. I went there to see what this person was about expecting to see funny stories written in a lighthearted way. It was anything but. Of course opinions are like a******* as they say, and this is just mine, but based on the past quality of writing I was expecting so much more. As people have mentioned to me in the past: “if you don’t like it don’t read it”. I think this is the course of action I will take. I appreciate your voice of reason.

    • 0 avatar
      JuniorMint

      You NEVER ONCE made an offhand comment to a coworker, after someone wandered through, obviously raised by wolves on Planet Xoomba without any access to television to see how normal people act? Not one time?

      Pull ahead to the next window for your declaration of sainthood!

      No, the NEXT window.

      I SAID THE NEXT WINDOW SIR THERE’S ONLY TWO WINDOWS AND YOU’RE FINISHED AT THIS ONE WHICH IS WHY I’M TELLING YOU TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THERE’S ONLY ONE OTHER PLACE TO GO. Yes. There. Thank you. Have a nice day! *gigantic fake smile*

  • avatar
    BDB

    Why does the byline at the top say “By Bertel Schmitt”? Shouldn’t it say “The Booth Babe?” Has Bertel been cross-dressing?

  • avatar
    BMWfan

    @dwford

    “I have pre-payed my mortgage $2500 per month every month this year scraping by on my lowly car salesman pay. Did you?”

    Wrong question to ask. I retired at 45 and my house was paid off years ago. I am as the English would put it “quite comfortable” Even a rookie lawyer knows to never ask a question you don’t know the answer to. And BTW, I never said that all service people were lazy slackers with no dreams, because if you read my post again, I worked in the service industry many years ago myself. I specifically mentioned the ones that make fun of their customers behind their backs. You would be amazed at what a small world it is when you have negative things to say behind peoples backs. I sincerely hope that this is a lesson you will not be learning the hard way.

    @dastanley Well said Captain, well said!

    • 0 avatar
      dwford

      So you really are an arm chair quarterback concerned about us little people view our customers(masters?)

      BTW you CAN work in the service industry, be successful at it, and still be irritated by the occasional customer.

      Congrats on your success. I am working hard to get where you are.

      Moving on..

  • avatar
    BMWfan

    @dwford

    Not at all. I truly hope you can read between the lines and not make the same mistakes I have seen so many others make in their careers. I was very lucky in my life, as early on I had a mentor that always insisted that I “do the right thing”. You are incorrect in your assumption that I view you or any other working person as the “little people” I achieved my so called “success” through hard work and luck. I ate a lot of $hit in my day, I just never bitched about it. I know the car sales game, and you are to be admired for being sucessful at it. I know for a fact that it is one of the most stressful and difficult ways to make a living out there. I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope that car sales pick up in the near future.

  • avatar
    mrhappypants

    Boo hoo. Try sitting in a cube listening to the guy next to you go “gulp. ahhh…” all day long on his coffee. I’ll take the dimwits and their armchair auto-critiquing any day. At least your inner voice can laugh at them.

  • avatar
    european

    girlfriend, no worries, in some years you will be ugly and unfit
    to work as a booth babe. then you wont need to indulge with the “boring masses”

    kisses and XOXOXOXOXOX

    • 0 avatar
      PanzerJaeger

      Your seeming obsession with this woman, along with your atrocious use of basic grammar, speak more to your own issues than to hers.

      ‘Hitting a little too close to home’ seems about right…

    • 0 avatar
      NulloModo

      Here is one of his posts from Baruth’s TopGear thread:

      european:
      Jack Bullshiit hating TopGear. is it cos you aint famous?
      is it coz really but really noone really gives a fooking shiit what you have to say.

      WHO ARE YOU MONKEY?

      Now just picture some hysterical Frenchman or Eastern European (or whatever your preferred humorous European accent is) in a fit of blinding range screaming that whilst throwing the mother of all temper tantrums. It’s a hilarious mental image.

  • avatar

    True story that happened to me: I was working at a Goodyear Auto Service and, this guy came in yelling at me that Goodyear tires were defective and he could be killed with such crappy tires on his truck.
    I went out with him to look at them figuring, if they were defective, I’d replace them no problem. Apparently, it was only the RFront tire that bothered him but, when I looked at it, the rim had a huge ding in it, a goose egg in the sidewall and, it was a Firestone tire. He was NOT satisfied with my offer to sell him a set of Goodyears and left.
    When I went back inside, an older gentleman who was waiting for his car asked me what was up. When I told him he laughed so hard and had to tell everyone in the waiting area. Sure made his day though.

  • avatar
    ajla

    In defense of the “why don’t you offer a stick?” people, many stick-only buyers seem to like a manual transmission because of the very mechanical and connected “slow and clunky” action. It really doesn’t matter what F1 and Ferrari are doing.

    I also think Derek Kreindler was way off the mark with his statement. A bunch of VW owners debating the merits of the C63 and the M3 is the equivalent of a “who would win: Godzilla or the Megazord?” bar conversation. It is a bit ridiculous, but it’s harmless, and done for entertainment and to increase camaraderie. It is very different from badgering someone at an auto show.
    _____
    Beyond that, anyone who hates the C63 and RS4 either works for BMW or hates all joy in the world.

  • avatar
    Quentin

    I can’t really be bothered to talk to “car people” in person anymore. Too often, those car people are really “WRX people” or “Ford people” or “Euro people” or “pre-1972 people”. Instead of intelligent discussion about a variety of vehicles, the conversation is roped back to their pet brand/model. Sure, I have my pet segments and models, but I can also freely admit that the 2005 Avalon that I drove on a trip for work was absolute perfection for a 3.5 hr all-interstate drive. On the return leg, my coworker drove and I had a very refreshing nap in the comforts of those amazing back seats. The Avalon, though, doesn’t quite fit into my garage of 6MT turbo/supercharged hatchbacks and BoF 4WD SUV, though. I can definitely understand why people buy these vehicles, though. Most “car guys” I run into can’t or won’t understand why everyone isn’t driving MazdaSpeed 3s.

    I think I really noticed this for the first time when I was going to Subaru meets. The WRX is pretty much a tuners dream and the conversation was completely dominated by who had what mods. I’m the kind that leaves my car mostly stock, so after several meets of listening to guys argue out who had the biggest, I quit going.

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    dewfish

    I like Booth babe. She is awesome.

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