"Based on GM's Experience, the Vibe is Safe to Drive." Or Not.

Edward Niedermeyer
by Edward Niedermeyer

Say what? GM has no problem kicking Toyota when its down, offering conquest cash to craven Toyota owners who might be tempted to flee the brand in the midst of recall mania, but its own handling of the situation deserves some analysis. After all, GM confirms that its Pontiac Vibe is assembled at the GM-Toyota NUMMI joint venture using the CTS-sourced pedal assembly that allegedly causes unintended acceleration. And yet The General went on the record last Friday [via Automotive News [sub]] essentially claiming that its Toyota Matrix rebadge was magically safe from the dread terrors afflicting its Toyota-badged cousin. Now GM has revised its statement on the Vibe, admitting that since the Toyota recall, it has received several complaints about sticking accelerators on Vibes (although no related wrecks have been reported). Better late than never… unless you’re making the pitch that consumers should choose you over Toyota because you will take better care of them. [UPDATE: GM reports that the Vibe’s brakes can stop the vehicle. Go figure]

Per AN [sub]:

GM spokesman Alan Adler has said the Detroit automaker believes Toyota is responsible for the recall. Toyota designed, engineered and manufactured the Vibe, he said earlier this week.

But Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons said GM was responsible for Pontiac Vibe recalls, since GM had sourced pedals from supplier CTS to build the Vibe as part of the joint venture, called New United Motor Manufacturing Inc., or NUMMI.

Adler took issue with Toyota’s stance.

“We have no supplier relationship with CTS whatsoever,” Adler said. He said GM expects Toyota to pay for fixing Vibes.

Score this one as yet another reason why it’s so incredibly convenient for GM to maintain the impression that NUMMI was a Toyota plant that GM just so happened to participate in. This perception has worked to divert anger from GM, with the help of the UAW, by passing off the lie that the NUMMI shutdown was a Toyota decision, rather than a reasonable reaction to GM’s bailout-era pullout from the joint venture. And now we have the second piece: GM didn’t develop the Vibe at all, so any malfunctions are Toyota’s fault. Which is actually a more reasonable position than GM’s initial perspective, which was that the Pontiac badge somehow made the Vibe safe even though the Matrix wasn’t.

In any case, GM now says that it will be contacting Vibe owners, and warns that any malfunctioning Vibes should be taken to the nearest GM shop. Where GM expects Toyota to pay for its repair, natch.

Meanwhile, other automakers are scrambling to check their exposure to the allegedly faulty CTS-sourced pedal unit. Peugeot-Citroen is recalling 100k Peugeot 107/Citroen C1 models that were built at a Toyota JV plant in the Czech Republic, according to AFP. Highlighting how widespread these upstream supplier quality problems can become, Renault has only just confirmed [via Reuters] that none of its vehicles use the recalled assembly, after launching an investigation over the weekend.

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  • Andy D Andy D on Feb 01, 2010

    look what it took for GM to own up to the dangerous gas tank behind the seat in its pick ups. They let the dead's families sue them rather than recall the millions of Chevy and GMCs affected.

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    • Poltergeist Poltergeist on Feb 02, 2010

      Um, I think Andy is referring to the 60's vintage GM trucks that put the fuel tank directly behind the seatback, not the 70's-80's vintage trucks that put the fuel tank under the bed outside the frame rails which were the one's that were the subject of the "Dateline" fiasco.

  • GrandCharles GrandCharles on Feb 01, 2010

    My vibe still looks better than the Matrix...to me it's as safe or unsafe as it too (same car)...If this GM was not a Toyota i would not have buyed it so to me this question is irrelevent, as for that pedal problem, i really hope the solution is gonna be final. Many thanks for the article with picture of both assembly, it helped to understand what may be the problem. But is still believe that this thing is computer generated.

    • MBella MBella on Feb 01, 2010

      Since you are an affected Vibe owner, you should test if the Pontiac has the safety cut-out triggered by the brake, as it was implied by GM. If it does, this would open up a whole other can of worms.

  • Tassos A terrible bargain, as are all of Tim's finds, unless they can be had at 1/2 or 1/5th the asking price.For this fugly pig, I would not buy it at any price. My time is too valuable to flip ugly Mitsus.FOr those who know these models, is that silly spoiler in the trunk really functional? And is its size the best for optimizing performance? Really? Why do we never see a GTI or other "hot hatches' and poor man's M3s similarly fitted? Is the EVO trying to pose as a short and fat 70s ROadrunner?Beep beep!
  • Carson D Even Tesla can't make money on EVs anymore. There are far too many being produced, and nowhere near enough people who will settle for one voluntarily. Command economies produce these results. Anyone who thinks that they're smarter than a free market at allocating resources has already revealed that they are not.
  • MaintenanceCosts I wish more vehicles in our market would be at or under 70" wide. Narrowness makes everything easier in the city.
  • El scotto They should be supping with a very, very long spoon.
  • El scotto [list=1][*]Please make an EV that's not butt-ugly. Not Jaguar gorgeous but Buick handsome will do.[/*][*] For all the golf cart dudes: A Tesla S in Plaid mode will be the fastest ride you'll ever take.[/*][*]We have actual EV owners posting on here. Just calmly stated facts and real world experience. This always seems to bring out those who would argue math.[/*][/list=1]For some people an EV will never do, too far out in the country, taking trips where an EV will need recharged, etc. If you own a home and can charge overnight an EV makes perfect sense. You're refueling while you're sleeping.My condo association is allowing owners to install chargers. You have to pay all of the owners of the parking spaces the new electric service will cross. Suggested fee is 100$ and the one getting a charger pays all the legal and filing fees. I held out for a bottle of 30 year old single malt.Perhaps high end apartments will feature reserved parking spaces with chargers in the future. Until then non home owners are relying on public charge and one of my neighbors is in IT and he charges at work. It's call a perk.I don't see company owned delivery vehicles that are EV's. The USPS and the smiley boxes should be the 1st to do this. Nor are any of our mega car dealerships doing this and but of course advertising this fact.I think a great many of the EV haters haven't came to the self-actualization that no one really cares what you drive. I can respect and appreciate what you drive but if I was pushed to answer, no I really don't care what you drive. Before everyone goes into umbrage over my last sentence, I still like cars. Especially yours.I have heated tiles in my bathroom and my kitchen. The two places you're most likely to be barefoot. An EV may fall into to the one less thing to mess with for many people.Macallan for those who were wondering.
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