TTAC's Deep Data Dive Yields More Food For Thought

Edward Niedermeyer
by Edward Niedermeyer

Commenter j_slez (who compiled GM and Toyota monthly sales since 2004 for us already) writes:

I saw the call for a log-scale GM plot, and since the change only took a minute I threw that together, even though I’m not a fan of it personally. It does help separate the lower-selling brands. Part of the point of the original is that they’re all low-selling. I replaced Pontiac with all of the “Old GM” brands – it doesn’t make much difference really.

Then I did Toyota. They’ve got a bit of a dive themselves of late.


Finally, for fun, I did a comparison. I took GM as Chevy and all the rest and did Toyota as Toyota and Lexus+Scion. For most of 2004 the rest of GM used to outsell the Toyota brand, with Chevy way in the lead, and now it’s a pitched battle between Chevy and Toyota, with the rest of GM well behind. If Toyota had managed to grow instead of kill Scion (hmm, sounds like GM) the rest of Toyota might be bigger than the rest of GM.

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  • Quentin Quentin on Jul 08, 2009

    ktm - I did a central moving average plot of GM's "core brands" and Toyota's sales since 04. The one neat spin I put on it, though was listing each vehicle into one of the following 6 catagories: large SUV, small SUV, large car, small car, large truck, small truck. I excluded sports cars because they seem to carry such a small volume and frankly, Toyota doesn't have any that really compare to the vette or camaro (if we really want to make an apples to apples comparison). Sorted as such with the "economic conditions" overlayed (gas prices and credit), it pointed out some really neat stuff about why GM is where they are today. I e-mailed the pdfs to Robert last night. Hopefully he posts them.

  • Saluki_e90 Saluki_e90 on Jul 08, 2009

    Wow, a proc gplot graph on TTAC! Have been lurking on the site for a long time but the SAS graph inspired me finally register. I know I need to get a life.

  • Marty The problem isn't range; it's lack of electricity in multi-unit building parking. All you need is level 1 - a standard 120v wall socket - and if you're plugged in 10 hours overnight you get 280 miles per week or more. That's enough for most folks but you can use public charging to supplement when needed. Installing conduit circuits and outlets is simple and cheap; no charge stations needed.
  • 2manyvettes Tadge was at the Corvette Corral at the Rolex 24 hour sports car race at the end of January 2023. During the Q&A after his remarks someone stood up and told him "I will never buy an electric Corvette." His response? "I will never sell you an electric Corvette." Take that Fwiw.
  • Socrates77 They're pinching pennies for the investors like always, greed has turned GM into a joke of an old corporate American greed.
  • Analoggrotto looking at this takes me right back to the year when “CD-ROM” first entered public lexicon
  • Alan My comment just went into the cloud.I do believe its up to the workers and I also see some simplistic comments against unionisation. Most of these are driven by fear and insecurity, an atypical conservative trait.The US for a so called modern and wealthy country has poor industrial relation practices with little protection for the worker, so maybe unionisation will advance the US to a genuine modern nation that looks after its workers well being, standard of living, health and education.Determining pay is measured using skill level, training level and risk associated with the job. So, you can have a low skilled job with high risk and receive a good pay, or have a job with lots of training and the pay is so-so.Another issue is viability of a business. If you have a hot dog stall and want $5 a dog and people only want to pay $4 you will go broke. This is why imported vehicles are important so people can buy more affordable appliances to drive to and from work.Setting up a union is easier than setting up work conditions and pay.
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