By on February 11, 2022

Whether the truckers who’ve shut down parts of Ottawa, Canada and the Ambassador Bridge between Detroit, Michigan and Windsor, Canada, are winning the debate over vaccine mandates or not, I suspect they aren’t winning the hearts and minds of some people they might otherwise be able to convince to support them.

To be clear, I am in favor of vaccine mandates — I think they would help end the pandemic by getting more people vaccinated as well as ease the strain on the healthcare system, and I think the “my body, my choice” argument rings hollow here since a person’s choice to not get vaccinated could lead to potentially deadly consequences. Meanwhile, our own Matt disagrees with me, and that’s fine — reasonable people can disagree reasonably.

But this post isn’t an argument in favor of or against mandates. Instead, I’d like to point out that if you want to get people on your side of a debate, perhaps choking supply chains, delaying the shipment of goods, and pissing off the locals isn’t the way to do it.

Especially if you’re pissing off small-business owners who have already struggled due to the pandemic and the restrictions that are meant to slow the spread of the virus. While I’ve generally been in favor of restrictions, as long as they are grounded in science, it’s undeniable that restrictions have hurt businesses. So, too, has the mere presence of the virus — even in places where restrictions are few, people may choose to stay home for safety.

So, if you’re goal is to get people on your side in a protest against mandates, you might not want to shut down their city so much that they can’t serve customers. Or shut down a bridge that is used to ship auto parts across the border, thus hurting supply chains at a time that those same supply chains are already hurting due to the semiconductor-chip shortage.

Yes, it’s true that the NYT piece linked above can’t possibly represent the opinion of every Ottawan who’s dealing with the convoy. After all, the piece only quotes two business owners, and one seems angrier at the Canadian government for not managing the protests than he is with the truckers.

A cynic might suggest that the NYT might have only quoted those who supported its premise or that the reporter just didn’t make an effort to talk to enough people. I doubt the former is the case — the linked article is just a short blurb in a blog that’s updating different aspects of the situation in something like real-time, and it’s possible no one else wanted to talk to the paper.

Whatever the case may be, at least two Ottawa business owners are pissed off that the protests are hurting their business. Seems to me that if I was an anti-mandate trucker, I’d not want to anger those who might otherwise support me against the government.

To be clear, I am all for protesting — even if I don’t agree with the ideology of the protesters — and I am glad that in America, at least, the right to peaceably assemble is enshrined in our Constitution. I’m just saying that there’s a way to protest that persuades, and a way that pisses people off.

I wonder if the truckers who are causing the worst trouble are aware of the difference.

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175 Comments on “Opinion: Freedom Convoy Truckers Hurt Their Own Cause...”


  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Can we PLEASE get back to articles about actual cars? Seriously…

    • 0 avatar
      jalop1991

      thank you…

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      Well considering the deceitful propagandist media is flailing their arms that a couple auto plants are having to shut down because of this, I’d say it’s in topic. Of course that ignores the fact that many many plants across the US are experiencing temporary shut downs because of “chips”, but that doesn’t get any attention. Apparently all of the worlds automobiles come out of Canada. Further Canada doesn’t apparently have airports that could easily move parts.

      Because the Canadian government is forcing the opening of the privately owned ambassador bridge, it would be nice if the owner shut it down himself. Fine, clear the peaceful protesters that are not rioting, looting, burning down cities, committing murder etc, but the bridge is shut down indefinitely.

      It’s telling that even the committed leftist Bill Maher has been completely lost by the left with regards to the Covid cold. He sees right through the facade of “safety and science” and understands what’s going on.

      Can’t drive across Canada alone without showing your papers but we can have a super spreader event called the Super Bowl in Commiefornia. Because “science”.

      • 0 avatar
        Boxerman

        You sir should be published

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff S

        So I gather from your comments that you don’t like the NFL and football. Let’s punish those who attend the Super Bowl by blocking roads and honking horns during the game. Real winning strategy to win over support for your cause and if anything will cause backlash to those hard working truckers who are not part of this and to the auto companies making parts and vehicles in Canada and Detroit who have to travel between the US and Canada. So are you suggesting that auto parts and automobiles that are transferred back and forth from Detroit to Windsor use airplanes? Don’t know what you are smoking but that makes so little sense that it is laughable. Let’s make those who ordered vehicles wait a little longer to get their vehicles and lets cause those factory workers who are affected by this boycott to be laid off and not be able to support their families. Yes this is a real winning strategy.

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          “Let’s punish those who attend the Super Bowl by blocking roads and honking horns during the game.”

          So Trump holds rally’s with 10k people and it’s labeled a super spreader event.

          The Super Bowl being held, in the throws of a super duper mega scary plandemic, can be held without issue? No masks, no nothing.

          And you wonder why people don’t trust the government or “the science”. The science was settled and the same “science” that was used to label Trump rallies super spreader events by the media, etc, has determined that the Super Bowl is not a super spreader event.

          For the record, the NFL is a deplorable organization and it would be a joyous occasion if truckers made it untenable to have people in the stadium. A great day for America.

          Also why don’t you speak to the many many other auto plants experiencing interruptions because of the claimed “chip shortage”. Or do those customers that have to wait don’t count because it doesn’t fit nicely into your warped narrative?

          • 0 avatar
            fendertweed

            I don’t recall any Vax precautions or requirements for Drumpf events, hence super spreader potential.

            Not the case at SB. Get facts straight and stop comparison of non-comparables FFS.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “I don’t recall any Vax precautions or requirements for Drumpf events, hence super spreader potential.

            Not the case at SB. Get facts straight and stop comparison of non-comparables FFS”

            I don’t know what “drumpf” is

            But it’s 100% comparable. Both had a very large amount of people not wearing masks, etc (although masks don’t work but that’s another story). The montage of celebrities not being forced to wear masks is quite long. That sub-human Newsom extended his overreaching emergency powers until April 2022. There’s still an indoor mask mandate. LA is still saying people should wear a mask outside when in crowded places.

            But you continue to bury your head in the sand kiddo.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      I concur.

      • 0 avatar
        EBFlex

        And from the “hOrSe DeWoRmEr” file:

        It turns out antihistamines are effective at treating “long” Covid. You know who else takes antihistamines? Dogs.

        How long until people are betrayed for taking antihistamines?

        But please keep telling me how the science is settled.

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          “It turns out antihistamines are effective at treating “long” Covid.”

          No, they are not.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            ““It turns out antihistamines are effective at treating “long” Covid.”

            No, they are not.”

            Yet again, you have no idea what you are talking about:

            “It turns out antihistamines are effective at treating “long” Covid.”

            https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/antihistamines-show-promise-treating-long-covid-19-symptoms-uc-irvine-case-report-says

            We have also found out that the EU is investigating the rushed and experimental covid vaccines for causing menstrual “problems” like heavy menstrual bleeding and absence of menstruation from women who had received COVID vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna.

            https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/eu-investigates-reports-menstrual-disorders-after-mrna-covid-shots-2022-02-11/

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          Long Term Covid

          https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351#:~:text=Organ%20damage%20may%20lead%20to,condition%20that%20causes%20temporary%20paralysis.

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          “How long until people are betrayed for taking antihistamines?”

          Not betrayed, *disparaged.

      • 0 avatar
        fendertweed

        Drumpf, the former president (family origin name) and unindicted co-conspirator who’s continuing open acts in furtherance regularly….

  • avatar
    tomLU86

    Thanks for being clear that you are in favor of injecting people with a drug because YOU and the other self-appointed intelligentsia think so.

    You seem to blithely ignore the victims of mRNA vaccine injury, and the many educated voices that have raised concerns.

    I presume you took the shot. I’m glad you have not dropped dead or had to end your career like famous athletes (since you still have your perch).

    You support a mandatory injection to address a disease that for 99% of the population is not life threatening. One that we know does not protect a vaxxed person from getting COVID, and does not prevent a vaxxed person from spreading it.

    The vax cannot be undone.

    Since it works so well, I suggest you and your family take it, and take lots of boosters, and be protected.

    And let the unvaxxed fend for themselves.

    That’s what the truckers want. Sounds reasonable to me. Since their (and our) rights to determine what we ingest are being trampled, their protest is warranted and–a model of restraint.

    Many of the locals are taking food and fuel to the truckers, so they are not all annoyed, BTW.

    • 0 avatar
      onemp21

      I can’t wait to watch them get arrested and have their CDL’s suspended; then they can truly fend for themselves.

      • 0 avatar

        Do you really think they will their CDL’s will be suspended? How many drivers took place in the protest?? When there is already a shortage of long-haul drivers?

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @LVJim – Ontario will most likely pull licenses once they pass legislation covering it. Up until the time these protesters blocking major transportation corridors, no one really missed their absence in the trucking industry.

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          “Do you really think they will their CDL’s will be suspended? How many drivers took place in the protest?? When there is already a shortage of long-haul drivers?”

          Well they FIRED nurses (during their so-called “pandemic”) despite their constant whining that there is a nurse shortage. So, yes they will do something that stupid.

          Remember it’s not about covid or spreading covid. They are perfectly fine with people spreading covid. It’s about showing your papers and being mandated to take an experimental vaccine.

      • 0 avatar
        RHD

        They are the Canadian version of the self-important, half-witted, gullible Trumpists in the US. Getting their misinformation from Fox and their science from Facebook makes them genuine members of the illiterati. The only bright side is that while noisy and annoying, they are a numerically very small minority.
        As they say in the rural parts, “Them thar boys ain’t got a lick of sense!”

    • 0 avatar
      Mike Beranek

      Your post is full of misinformation. I suggest you check the source when someone tells you that “famous athletes” have died of vaccination.
      Which famous athletes was that again?

      • 0 avatar
        SCE to AUX

        @Mike Beranek: You must be the last to hear that the vaccine is killing people left and right. (But the MSM doesn’t want you to know!) /s

        A 52-year-old friend actually thinks he’s a goner in the next 10 years because he got the vaccine. He did his own research.

      • 0 avatar
        tomLU86

        Yusuke Kinoshita, baseball

        https://www.sportworldnews.org/mlb/news/7481/professional-baseball-player-yusuke-kinoshita-died-after-vaccination/

        siobhan cattigan, rugby star

        Haziq Kammarudin, Olympic archer.

        Hank Aaron, baseball legend (he was 88, two weeks later)

        Perhaps I should have written “vaccine injured athletes”, I have some more of those.

        I didn’t say it’s common. The vast majority of vaxxed seem to be doing fine.

        But the reason why it takes years to authorize meds (unless there is an emergency) is to assess long term effects.

        Again, personally, those who want the shots, assess your situation and take it if you feel it is best. But forcing others, no.

        • 0 avatar
          RHD

          1 in 40 of the unvaccinated will die from Covid-19. This means, unfortunately, that 39 of 40 of these morons will survive.

        • 0 avatar
          RHD

          100% of vaccinated people will die after getting the Covid-19 shot – eventually. Most will die decades later.
          Falsely stating that the vaccination will kill you is like saying drinking coffee will kill you. Heck, thousands of people have coffee with breakfast every day and keel over a few hours later.
          If Hank Aaron dies at 88, it’s pretty safe to say that the Covid-19 vaccination had nothing to do with it – that is speculation and misinformation.

          In fact: “While the exact cause of Aaron’s death has not been determined, health officials do not believe it was related to him being vaccinated.

          An official with the Fulton County Medical Examiner’s office, which examined Aaron’s body following his death, told FactCheck.org by phone that he died “due to natural causes.”

          In a statement emailed to AFP Fact Check, the county medical examiner, Karen Sullivan, said: “There was no information suggestive of an allergic or anaphylactic reaction to any substance which might be attributable to recent vaccine distribution.”

          She added: “In addition, examination of Mr. Aaron’s body did not suggest his death was due to any event other than that associated with his medical history.”

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            In fact: “While the exact cause of Aaron’s death has not been determined, health officials do not believe it was related to him being vaccinated.

            An official with the Fulton County Medical Examiner’s office, which examined Aaron’s body following his death, told FactCheck.org by phone that he died “due to natural causes.”

            Good job RHD completely destroying one of the claims in tomLU186’s post. That tells me he pretty much doesn’t know his head from his a$$ & I suspect he most likely suffers from some sort of mental illness. And I’m being completely serious about the mental illness part.

    • 0 avatar

      exactly Tom.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @tomLU86 –

      “You seem to blithely ignore the victims of mRNA vaccine injury”

      Please post your evidence citing the number of people that have suffered serious cough hack choke “mRNA vaccine injury”?

      Severe adverse events have increased with the number of people vaccinated but as an overall ratio, the numbers are exceptionally low. In the realm of 2 – 3 cases per million which is in line with every other vaccine. Allergic reactions are more likely with any subsequent dose of a medication.

      “famous athletes”

      Please list.

      “You support a mandatory injection to address a disease that for 99% of the population is not life threatening.”
      Please list your statistics. Canada’s case fatality rate with 83% of the overall population vaccinated is 1.1%.
      Do you have statistics indicating case fatality rates among the unvaccinated?
      If 99% of the populace have mild symptoms without vaccination, why are hospital ICU’s full of unvaccinated people?

      “One that we know does not protect a vaxxed person from getting COVID, and does not prevent a vaxxed person from spreading it.”

      it gets hard to keep up with the anti-vaxxer bullsh!t narrative. The expectation with the initial SARS – CoV -2 strains was sterilization i.e. complete prevention. With Omicron and it’s variants, that is no longer the case. Death rates are significantly reduced due to vaccinations.

      Medical face masks have been statistically proven to reduce spread by 66%. Several studies back that number.

      • 0 avatar
        tomLU86

        A US Senator (Johnson) has had two hearings on these issues. I don’t write well enough to summarize their findings, but they inform my views (among other things).

        Even the director of the CDC has acknowledged that 70% of the patients who passed had three (or four?) co-morbidities. That’s a lot to overcome, especially for an older person.

        I listed some athletes, if the moderator allows it thru.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @tomLU86 – I looked at some of Johnson’s hearings. Professionally I’d have to disagree with many of the presenters. Ivermectin does not work just like hydroxychloroquine does not work. Vaccine adverse events are much less than they claim.

          The whole comorbidity theory once again.
          Seriously?

          3 out of 5 US residents have at least one comorbidity/pre-existing condition, and or long term chronic illness. Canadian statistics I’ve seen are slightly better at 2 out of 5 people with a chronic condition. You willing to let huge swaths of the US populace die because they have comorbidities? Mathematically that’s 158 million adult Americans more at risk due to COVID.

          If most of the population in “affluent” countries had normal body masses, did not smoke or consume drugs, and did not eat junk food, or tried to be active and took care of themselves, well then you’d have a leg to stand on with the “comorbidities” argument.

          There isn’t a disease out there that isn’t made worse by comorbidities.

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff S

        @Lou–The more relevant question is how many people ended up in hospitals with Covid-19 and then died from it because they didn’t get the vaccine. I bet there are many many more who didn’t get the vaccine and died from Covid.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          There are many that can’t put down those Marlboros or put down the KFC bucket and get off their 350 pound @$$es too. Stupid, lazy people will do what they are gonna do.

          • 0 avatar
            Jeff S

            Yes but that is their god given right to kill themselves even though there are known risks. We do have the freedom to be stupid but in the case of Covid-19 not taking precautions will cause harm to others unless one completely isolates themselves from others.

      • 0 avatar
        jkross22

        @ Lou,

        “Medical face masks have been statistically proven to reduce spread by 66%. Several studies back that number.”

        Against which variant? That sounds like the number from the wild variant but likely not Omicron with its comparatively high viral load.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @jkross22 – I haven’t seen any new studies covering Omicron and it’s subspecies.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            @Lou, yeah, but you’re repeating outdated info. No problem with that?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @jkross22 – At least I’m sourcing data from studies. Where do deniers get there data?
            Standard facemasks are designed to reduce the odds of the wearer passing on infection. I’ve looked for recent data and the situation is still being assessed. Even a transmission reduction down to 50% would make masks viable.
            If one wants personal protection then a N95 and eye protection is required for higher risk scenarios.

            My workplace has not changed guidelines other than reducing mandatory sick time with COVID-19 from 10 days to 5 if fully vaccinated, no fever x24 hours, and no symptoms. The requirement is to wear a facemask 100% of the time on site for another 5 days. (Level 3 surgical mask)

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Lou, This is how trust erodes. If you know you’re presenting outdated info that doesn’t reflect current state, and attempting to have it appear as though it’s as accurate today as it was perhaps 12-18 months ago, you’re doing the same thing deniers are doing.

            Which deniers? Are there people here who deny Covid is real?

        • 0 avatar
          EBFlex

          “Medical face masks have been statistically proven to reduce spread by 66%. Several studies back that number.”

          That is flat out misinformation. The data shows that. States that mandated masking have higher Covid cases per 100k than states without.

          If masks work we wouldn’t need the rushed and experimental vaccines. If the rushed and experimental vaccines worked we wouldn’t need masks.

          DESPITE having masks and the rushed and experimental vaccines, cases still exploded with the omicron sniffles over the past couple months.

          So while masks may work in a very controlled lab setting, in the real world they are useless. Even Dr Michael Osterholm, an infectious disease expert at the University of Minnesota and an advisor to Brandon’s transition team said anything but a N95 was effectively useless.

          It’s similar to fuel economy. Yes, in a controlled lab setting using very specific parameters your car may get up to xx MPG. But in the real world under less than ideal conditions it gets worse.

      • 0 avatar
        Carlson Fan

        “If 99% of the populace have mild symptoms without vaccination, why are hospital ICU’s full of unvaccinated people?”

        Exactly Lou, but hey don’t let facts get in the way of your feelings!…….LOL

        “And let the unvaxxed fend for themselves.”

        But the problem with that statement is they don’t fend for themselves. They get sick & guess where they head? ….See above for the answer.

    • 0 avatar
      jalop1991

      if we would stop calling it a “vaccine,” we would stop giving in to the control freak liberals who want to change the language in order to change your world.

      It is not a vaccine. Not by any stretch of the imagination. And that’s OK.

      • 0 avatar
        jjster6

        Yes it is a vaccine. It is not a sterilizing vaccine (one that prevents illness). There are different types of vaccines. But it does a remarkable job of lessening the impact of the illness.

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          This gets to the heart of the lost trust. Redefining words to fit a particular product isn’t a good look. It just made things worse.

          I have no medical experience and I sucked at college level chemistry and biology classes. But I do know the difference between immunity and immune response, because I’m not a complete moron. (I said complete).

          If public health leaders had treated the public with a dash of respect, acknowledged mistakes, errors and lies, the loss of trust would have been minimized. Fauci and Walensky should have already been sacked. They’re both in way over their heads and their presence continues to fuel the mistrust.

          • 0 avatar
            jjster6

            Just because you didn’t know and understand the meaning of a word doesn’t mean someone redefined it.

            Any discipline is very hard. I’m sure a plumber knows many things that I don’t. And I want a plumber to tell me how to fix my toilet. I don’t see Fauci telling plumbers that water flows uphill.

            Please stay in your lane and let those with expertise in medicine handle this. I’m sure you are an expert in something too. We should all stay out of your way when you handle what you are really good at.

          • 0 avatar
            Carlson Fan

            “Please stay in your lane and let those with expertise in medicine handle this. I’m sure you are an expert in something too. We should all stay out of your way when you handle what you are really good at.”

            Exactly!………One of the smartest posts on this thread. People who make their living in medicine will forget more about it than the self proclaimed experts on this thread. My ex was a physician and one of things that drove her crazy were patients that got on the internet & then proceeded to tell her how to do her job because now they were a physician too!………LOL

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “Please stay in your lane and let those with expertise in medicine handle this.”

            Oh the WHO? Who stated that there’s no evidence of human to human transmission of the Covid cold? Or how about Mr Misinformation Fauci and the CDC who have not gotten ONE thing right about the Covid cold since the plandemic started?

            Or how about politicians who have said once you are vaccinated you don’t have to wear a mask? Or that with every vaccinated person, the virus stops? Or the politicians who cast doubt on the vaccine before the Jan 20th take over of the White House?

            Or the media that has said with every vaccinated person the virus stops?

            Or should we listen to the medical experts at all of these pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the rushed and experimental vaccine that want the data used to obtain EUA hidden for 50+ years?

            Yep those experts are really killing it. Literally. More deaths in 2021 than 2020 and that’s with rabid masking and vaccine campaigns.

            Blind trust will kill you. Reasonable suspicion will keep you alive. And when you so blatantly lie to the people, they will not trust you. This is THEIR doing.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            @jj, My goodness, you’re denying that the definition of vaccine was altered. A quick search reveals you’re wrong.

            Do research before commenting.

        • 0 avatar
          NigelShiftright

          The vaccine works, sort of. But now that Pfizer has a $500 per person covid treatment, we will see the pivot away from vaxamania. Perhaps as soon as early next month.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “The vaccine works, sort of.”

            The problem is that “sort of” part. We were told that the *only* reason to get the vaccine was because it stopped the covid cold dead in it’s tracks. Our health officials, including CDC and that goal post moving spreader of misinformation Fauci, the media, and our politicians (once “elected”, prior they cast HEAVY doubt on the vaccines), said you must get “vaccinated” because then you won’t have to wear masks and it will stop the spread. They *NEVER* said it would simply just reduce symptoms. So, by their ONLY metric, no the vaccines do not work.

            Thus, they lost a lot of public trust and it’s fully warranted. Couple that with all the other lies they have told us since the start (“no evidence of human to human transmission of covid”) and the government is the only reason people are hesitant. They are the biggest spreaders of misinformation.

            But what amazes me is all the self proclaimed experts in these comments who are incapable of doing their own research and will blindly trust the government to the point of if the government and politicians said only red masks prevent covid they would harass anyone not wearing a red mask, can’t tell the difference between being anti-vaccination, being against the rushed and experimental covid vaccines, and simply being against having an rushed and experimental vaccine mandate.

            Of the three, the vast majority of people are not only vaccinated but in the “I don’t want a rushed and experimental vaccine mandate” camp. That is a perfectly reasonable and grounded position to have.

      • 0 avatar
        Imagefont

        @jalop1991
        It is absolutely a vaccine. Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.
        A miracle, life saving vaccine and it’s your patriotic duty to take it so we can all get past this pandemic.
        No one is asking these right wing snowflakes to storm the beaches of Normandy in their underwear. Just get freaking vaccinated. It could save your life.

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      …Many of the locals are taking food and fuel to the truckers, so they are not all annoyed, BTW…

      You mean they are allowed to do that? In one American state, doing that for people waiting to vote will get you arrested. America is staring down the fascist rathole. I wish better for Canada.

      • 0 avatar
        redapple

        Golden;
        Stop lying.
        Or maybe your brain is so left poisoned you cant grasp basic concepts.
        Passing out food to voters is banned because the people doing this are wearing one party’s T shirts and or passing out food with ” Vote for steve” or whatever stickers on it.
        Got it? Simple concept.

    • 0 avatar
      Imagefont

      Tom,
      Is your comment satire? Sarcasm? Because you forgot the “/s”

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    @Tim:

    By the way, we now have a poster (guess who) in favor of starving people out because disagrees with them politically. That’s flat out disgusting. Why is he allowed to post here?

    • 0 avatar
      Tim Healey

      If he or she is violating the six rules, he or she will be warned and then banned, if warnings aren’t heeded.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      “By the way, we now have a poster (guess who) in favor of starving people out because disagrees with them politically. That’s flat out disgusting. Why is he allowed to post here?”

      Boy you are sensitive aren’t you?

      Also a bit hypocritical considering your stance on people who are against being mandated to take an experimental and rushed “vaccine”. I don’t think subtly wishing death and illness in others is appropriate but I’m not here whining to “internet dad” about it.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    Were the various protests of the 60s and 70s effective, or did they alienate too many people?

    Think civil rights, Vietnam, abortion, ERA, BLM …

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      Agreed…Were it not for those brave Vietnam protesters we could have potentially spent the next 50 years figting unnecesacary and costly wars! Wait…

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        Reality is that the ratchet of societal change in USA is driven by these protests – from the shot heard around the world to the present day. It’s part of American DNA.

        Everyone has the right to protest and we should all be in support of that. I’d march for the right of the “unite the right” folks to have the march they did – even though the message was disgusting and vile. But they have every right to express that opinion. That ends when any protest turns to burning buildings, hurting individuals or violating the Capital.

        • 0 avatar
          redapple

          Golden
          Jan 6.
          Yep. Totally organic. (NOT)
          Ray Epps. Tower command man, fence roll up guy. Pipe bom bs found at the exact to the minute the first barrier was breeched. ( tons of cops rush to the pipe bom b
          scene. Coverage of capital lessened) Yep. Not an eff bee eye op.

  • avatar
    NigelShiftright

    To see whether Mr. Healey is equally concerned about -other- protests pissing people off, go here:

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2020/06/traffic-stops-arent-the-same-for-all-which-is-part-of-americas-problem/

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    Protesters have the lawful right to protest even if it makes zero sense medically or constitutionally. Once one crosses the threshold into the realm of criminal behaviour, then it’s no longer a protest. This can occur without physical violence. Once violence ensues then it is legally a riot.

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      Agreed Lou. How many of the truckers have been arrested for attacking others? According to the live streams from several vloggers on YT, there’s been no record of that happening, although listening to CNN report it, they’re saying the truckers are racists, women hating, neo-nazis, antisemetic, anti-muslim animal abusers. Worst of all, they apparently hate maple syrup and hockey.

      Apologies for the run-on sentence.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @jkross22 – “How many of the truckers have been arrested for attacking others?”
        There are multiple investigations pending. Coercion does not need to involve physical contact. The treat of violence is enough. There was a documented case of assault but the victim was a street person with mental heath problems. The fellow isn’t mentally fit to press charges and most of the witnesses were protesters.
        CNN would be wrong labeling all of the truckers as racist et al. If one researches the organizers, most of them have links to racist groups and/or they themselves have made xenophobic, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic et al remarks.

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          Lou, you might be right. Any definitive evidence?

          The reporting by CBC and here in the US has been abysmal – as noted, lots of accusations with no proof. AFAIK, there’s been no follow up with the claims made. Hence why I went to YT to see real footage and interviews. Turns out citizen reporting is closer to journalism than what’s getting broadcast, including talking with counter protestors and residents of Ottawa.

          If everyone’s bs meter isn’t pegged at 11, we need a rethink on our assumptions of those reporting news. I say this as the US has deployed troops to Ukraine. For reasons.

          Gaslighting… it’s what’s for dinner.

        • 0 avatar
          SPPPP

          “The treat of violence is enough.”

          Typos have a way of showing up at the worst times. :)

        • 0 avatar
          285exp

          @Lou, that’s a lot of words to say “None”

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @285exp

            Violent crime:Crimes against the person involve the use or threatened use of violence against a person.

            What part of under investigation you don’t understand?

            The police have stated that they haven’t arrested anyone yet in hopes of keeping the situation from becoming physically violent.

            @SPPPP unfortunately correct.

          • 0 avatar
            285exp

            Lou, what’s that number of people charged with any actual or implied violence?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @285exp – at least 2 charges and 38 pending IIRC.

      • 0 avatar
        NigelShiftright

        “although listening to CNN report it, they’re saying the truckers are racists, women hating, neo-nazis, antisemetic, anti-muslim animal abusers. ”

        You forgot transphoblc, and climate deniers!

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Patrick King – one of the convoy leaders :

          “He is a purveyor of racist conspiracy theories who has described COVID-19 a “man-made bioweapon that was put out to make people sick,” and warned of an “endgame” to “depopulate the Anglo-Saxon race.””

    • 0 avatar
      Superdessucke

      “Once one crosses the threshold into the realm of criminal behaviour, then it’s no longer a protest. This can occur without physical violence. Once violence ensues then it is legally a riot.”

      One? So you’re saying that we should shut down any protest as a riot where 1 act of violence occurs? I’m not trying to be a smarty pants, I’m just curious. If so that’s not a logical argument because that is not the standard that was applied during the summer of 2020. There was a focus on mostly peaceful. You would admit these protesters are mostly peaceful yes?

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Superdessucke – I’m just stating the letter of the law. One act of violence would obviously be singled out if the rest of the protest is peaceful. There is other language that covers what is considered a “legal” protest. If other people are prevented from exercising their rights/freedoms by the protest then that shifts the definition but does not rise to the definition of “riot”. A temporary inconvenience doesn’t count but a long term “occupation” does count as an infringement on others.

        • 0 avatar
          Superdessucke

          OK thanks Lou. But still I don’t know how strong that argument is because long term protests were allowed in both Portland and Seattle last summer, and Minneapolis too.

          For what it’s worth, I’m fully vaccinated and I think that everybody should get vaccinated. But I also think the truckers have the right to protest, under the rules that were set 2 summers ago. Let’s let it play out.

  • avatar
    jkross22

    “Meanwhile, our own Matt disagrees with me, and that’s fine — reasonable people can disagree reasonably.”

    Tim, you say this as though holding differing opinions and discussing rationally is normal. Appreciate you and Matt walking the talk so to speak.

    The concept of free speech is lost on many people the moment they’re in earshot of something they don’t like. History classes have failed people for not instilling the meaning of this one value. Doesn’t matter if you don’t like J. Rogan or Whoopi or Justy Trombone. Change the channel, tune them out, or listen intently.

    You choose. Imagine that.

    • 0 avatar
      Matt Posky

      We sometimes have seriously heated arguments and I can be a real bastard. But we both agree that the other person is always entitled to their opinion and typically try to seek compromise.

      • 0 avatar
        jkross22

        Does that mean neither you nor Tim make references to Nazis when describing what the other is saying?

        I’d pay good money to see that. Although scrolling through comments it looks like there’s already 2 people who have brought up Nazi comparisons. And I didn’t have to pay anything to read that foolishness.

      • 0 avatar
        SoCalMikester

        just curious- are BOTH opinion pieces? this one is. does it make a difference?

  • avatar
    285exp

    Whether you think their purported cause is just or not, they’ve done it no favors. Honking their horns, blocking the highways, and causing great inconvenience and economic damage to innocent people isn’t the right way to do it. Trudeau is not going to step down, even if it would be a fine idea. That said, Trudeau was a fool for bringing this to a head. The 10% or so of unvaccinated drivers, who sit in trucks, mostly by themselves, aren’t a massive health risk to the the country. It’s a stupid hill to die on, especially when it’s becoming obvious that the restrictions and mandates are ending anyway.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @285exp – I agree on both counts. Measures are being lifted so why protest?
      Trudeau and others are obviously politicizing this for personal gain. It’s backfiring on him. I’ve read that his poll numbers are dropping.

      • 0 avatar
        285exp

        @Lou, the Provinces may be lifting their restrictions but Trudeau was still imposing the vaccine passport mandate. If you truly believe that your rights are being violated, you don’t just accept it and trust that eventually they’ll get around to stopping.

        And yes, just like in the US, they are politicizing it for personal gain, only now people are getting tired of it. Two years ago it was just going to be a couple of weeks to flatten the curve, then masks don’t work, now if you don’t wear one you’re killing grandma, then if you get vaccinated you’ll be safe, and now unless everyone is vaccinated you’re killing grandma, first it was just a crazy conspiracy theory that Covid was made in a lab, that was just coincidentally a few blocks away from the wet market where it was supposed to have come from people eating pangolins, and now, yeah, it probably was, if 200k die under your watch, you don’t deserve to be President, but if 300k die under Biden he’s doing a bang up job, he’s shut down the virus without shutting down the economy. If we wait for them to decide what the science is, we’ll never come to an end of this.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @285exp –
          “the Provinces may be lifting their restrictions but Trudeau was still imposing the vaccine passport mandate.”
          The Federal Government only has a constitution right over international borders. They did a poor job of explaining why they were implementing a 100% vaccinated rate for cross-border Truckers. The US has a 100% mandate so it really wouldn’t change a thing if they repealed it.

          Every province has vaccine passport mandates that are outside the constitutional reach of the Federal Government. The Feds could drop border mandates but then you’ll still have 10 province’s and three territories with mandates.

          This protest makes as much sense as protesting dam construction after the reservoir is already half full.

  • avatar
    bullnuke

    “Okay, I’ll just get the vaccine as they’ve forced me to do and they’ll never bother me again.” “I’ll just go ahead and sew on this yellow star as they’ve forced me to do and they’ll never bother me again.”

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      “Yellow star”. Hmmm.

      I’m Jewish, and my entire family hailed from Poland and what would be Belarus today. That means they were almost certainly all rounded up, had all their possessions confiscated, and were sent to a concentration camp, where they were forced to do slave labor until they starved to death, or were murdered. That assumes they weren’t just sent to a gas chamber, or simply lined up and shot in the villages they lived in to begin with. Rinse and repeat this about six million times and you get the scope of the whole “yellow star” thing.

      Now, when that happens to millions of people who don’t want to get vaccinated or wear a mask, go ahead and use your “yellow star” line. Until then – and I think I’m being a model of restraint here – I politely suggest that you need to think your historical metaphors through a bit more carefully.

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff S

        Good point the Jewish people didn’t even have the right to speak out publicly to the Nazis. Any protest would have meant immediate imprisonment and/or execution. I haven’t heard anyone being executed for protesting against the vaccine.

      • 0 avatar
        bortlicenseplate

        @FreedMike, a model of restraint indeed. Well said and Shabbat Shalom!

      • 0 avatar
        dal20402

        Freed, thank you for bringing real perspective to this discussion.

      • 0 avatar
        bullnuke

        @Freed – I see you missed the point by charging off on a compressed timeline. It started with the sewing against the will of the many involved – no one at the beginning was shipped off anywhere. Today it starts with being mandated to be vaccinated and/or being required to obtain a sort of passport to live and freely move in areas of the United States against the will of many. It could be argued that being denied entry into restaurants and other public areas these days equates to the denial of entry of those folks doing the sewing back in their time into certain public places – this occurred well before the time of concentration camps/murders/stolen possessions that you list in your opinion above. The encroachment of the powerful against the lesser powerful starts somewhere (see: camel’s nose under the tent). I’m sure I can find other instances of this similar dynamic in history – this one is the most familiar to most.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          @bullnuke:
          Again…you’re conflating “things that impose on peoples’ rights” with the Holocaust, which completely stripped people of their citizenship rights, their property, their businesses, their homes, and eventually their lives.

          And the people who don’t like vaccine/mask laws have recourse – voting, court cases, protests, you name it. What recourse did Jews in the Holocaust have? None. If they spoke out, they died. ANYONE who spoke out against anything happening in Nazi Germany died.

          “Slippery slope”? Maybe. But the stuff you’re talking about is a 5% incline downwards, and it’s not inevitable – courts and voters have definitely had an impact on the implementation of things like mask and vaccine policies. The Holocaust was a 100% step off a cliff, straight into hell, and the only thing that was going to stop it was non-German tanks rolling into Berlin.

          There ain’t no comparison, friend. You’re completely off base. Sorry. And making the comparison trivializes what happened in the Holocaust, regardless of that was your intent or not. As I said…you should rethink your political metaphors.

    • 0 avatar
      Astigmatism

      Oldie but a goodie:

      “You Know Who Else Opposed Vaccine Mandates? Hitler.

      Contrary to claims about “fascist” vaccine mandates currently circulating on the Right, the Nazis actually relaxed German vaccine mandates — and hoped doing the same for people they conquered would kill them faster.”

      https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/09/vaccine-mandates-covid-pandemic-german-nazi-inoculation-policy

      • 0 avatar
        NigelShiftright

        I was amazed to learn that there is a leftist magazine called “Jacobin”.

        Apparently they are unaware that all the original Jacobins wound up getting shaved by the national razor, and were within a few years replaced by a right-wing emperor.

    • 0 avatar
      EBFlex

      ““Okay, I’ll just get the vaccine as they’ve forced me to do and they’ll never bother me again.” “I’ll just go ahead and sew on this yellow star as they’ve forced me to do and they’ll never bother me again.””

      Exactly right. It’s a slippery slope and the consequences are so very clear even though some here don’t understand how an “analogy” works or what it is.

  • avatar
    Whatnext

    I fear the Ambassador Bridge blockade will deliver yet another body blow to Canada’s auto industry. If you were a global automaker why would you place assembly or parts manufacturing in a jurisdiction that can be brought to a standstill by a handful of fringe elements of society? At least in Mexico you’d be able to rest assured that skulls would be cracked to keep trade moving.

    • 0 avatar
      SoCalMikester

      supposedly coming to the LA area on the big day, too. im sure LAPD has it covered

      • 0 avatar
        jkross22

        On Super bowl weekend?

        Let me get some fresh popcorn….

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        You are probably right. Can’t keep the trains or malls from getting robbed but I am sure they will ensure the Super Bowl goes off without a hitch.

        Of course, the last time I was in LA it took far less than a bunch of truckers stopping to bring traffic to a standstill for hours. I think they called that the morning rush hour.

        But yeah, I have no doubt the LAPD will be out in force in a manner not seen since that murder in Beverly Hills.

  • avatar
    Astigmatism

    It has been quite a revelation to me to see conservatives united behind mass street protests aimed at overthrowing a country’s government because it decided to impose public safety rules about who’s allowed to cross its national border.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    @Tim–Agree this is not the way to protest when roads are blocked affecting the livelihoods of many. This is about cars, trucks, suvs, and crossovers the companies that make them, the people who build them, the people who sell them, and those of us waiting to buy a new one which is now bad enough with a chip shortage and other shortages now compounded by this truck blockade. No I am not sympathetic with these truckers when it comes to blocking roads. Just my 2 cents.

  • avatar
    AcuraCLenthusiast

    The country has been locked down time and time again with only a few months leniency in between essentially two years straight of lockdown. The fact that the prime minister suddenly cares about someone else locking down Ottawa is so hypocritical. Something needed to happen, 90% of Canadians got their two shots after being told this was the way out, only to be locked down again and told “sorry, we meant three shots, and you can’t go anywhere in public unless you scan the government QR code. The papers we initially sent you are also no longer sufficient”. Enough is enough. I’m with Matt on this one, but at the end of the day, this has little to do with the automotive industry aside from a fleeting mention of the shutdown of a few plants and more about spreading the author’s own beliefs. Been a lurker of eight years and finally felt the need to comment.

  • avatar
    numike

    I guess they dont wear seatbelts either

  • avatar
    numike

    these people are not Truckers. They just happen to have trucks. Something like 90% of truckers are vaxed, and want nothing to do with these people. THE largest unions and companies, and the lobbying arm have all come out strongly against these people.

    They are all the PPC and Maverick people, separatists, nazis, white nationalists, xenophobes, anti-government etc.etc.that frequent the same online spaces that have come together and used “truckers” as a cover, as a hood as it were, to try and gain sympathy from ordinary folk.

    • 0 avatar
      NigelShiftright

      “anti-government etc”

      I’m personally a libertarian, and any day in which I don’t try to spread a little distrust and cynicism about government I count as a day wasted.

      This was true long before covid (including all through the Trump presidency) and will be true long afterward.

      • 0 avatar
        golden2husky

        NigelSR – a shame you feel that way. Good government can improve certain things. Do you think today’s cars would be as clean and safe as they are if left up to the “free market?” Doubtful. There are many, many places government does not belong – but to unilaterally think that any involvement in anything is automatically bad points to a much bigger problem.

    • 0 avatar
      geo

      Like this guy?

      https://twitter.com/rupasubramanya/status/1492351686907764738?s=21

    • 0 avatar
      macmcmacmac

      That you Justin?

  • avatar
    numike

    “Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe.” H.G. Wells

  • avatar
    Good ole dayz

    >>”To be clear, I am in favor of vaccine mandates — I think they would help end the pandemic by getting more people vaccinated as well as ease the strain on the healthcare system, and I think the “my body, my choice” argument rings hollow here since a person’s choice to not get vaccinated could lead to potentially deadly consequences.”

    With all due respect, you sir are another victim of a purposeful false narrative – one that potentially rises to “crimes against humanity.”

    I recognize that the assertion will “trigger” many believers who will characterize as “conspiracy theory” (or worse). By no means take my word for things – I’m just another poster on a web site. Below I will list sources – DO YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE AND APPLY SOME CRITICAL REASONING SKILLS, THEN DECIDE FOR YOURSELF.

    Including pondering why there has been no public health PSA’s about Vitamin D testing and supplementation (low Vitamin D levels having a major impact on the severity of Covid). And pondering why the CDC had to change the definition of vaccine from imparting immunity, to merely creating an “immune response” so that the mRNA gene therapies could be labeled vaccines.

    And pondering why the Comiranty (approved by the FDA, albeit still with ongoing studies re: safety) is NOT available in the U.S. (only the Pfizer-BioNTech product that is not approved but authorized under an EUA … which status not coincidentally shields Pfizer from ALL liability for injury or death). You may have thought that you were getting an FDA approved vaccine – but you were “bait and switched.”

    Due diligence sources (not of the fake news / mainstream media narrative manufacturers). It’s your health – examine these and make your own assessment of credibility and competence:

    Epoch Times “American Thought Leaders” — watch the interviews with Doctors Robert Malone; Pierre Kory; Peter McCullough and Ryan Cole.

    Read the Substacks of Dr. Malone and Steve Kirsch.

    Watch the recent summit held by Senator Ron Johnson (you can find excerpts and the whole thing on Rumble).

    • 0 avatar
      dal20402

      Anyone with “critical reasoning skills” would recognize that your sources are largely misinformation.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @dal20402 – you beat me to it. Anyone quoting “science” would source meta-analysis sources like the “Cochrane Collaboration” or similar medical databases.

        • 0 avatar
          Good ole dayz

          Well, let’s see. I cited multiple interviews with Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA technology underlying the experimental “vaccines.”

          Dr. Peter McCullough is one of the most published authors of peer-reviewed medical articles in the world.

          Not mentioned, but also relevant is Dr. Michael Yeadon, who was a lead researcher at Pfizer.

          I also posted factual information to ponder (such as the August 2021 watering-down of the definition of “vaccine”).

          So quite trying to divert attention — let readers who are open-minded examine what I cited, and draw their own conclusions.

          Or is that what you are afraid might happen?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Good ole dayz – data mining for opinions that validates your own isn’t research. All three are well known for spreading disinformation.

            Joe Rogan a reliable source?

            Care to cite from Cochrane, CINAHL, UpToDate,and EBSCO ?

        • 0 avatar
          Good ole dayz

          Lou-BC:

          >>@Good ole dayz – data mining for opinions that validates your own isn’t research. All three are well known for spreading disinformation. Joe Rogan a reliable source? Care to cite from Cochrane, CINAHL, UpToDate,and EBSCO ?

          I note that you’ve cited nothing to support your position (which appears to be regurgitation of the official narrative that the “vaccines” are “safe and effective”). Telling others to cite from certain sources is just a diversionary tactic.

          It appears to be “Troll 101.” Never defend your position, merely try to discredit the others’ with ad hominem attacks or ever-repeating demands that they provide some evidence acceptable to you (which by definition will never exist).

          The readers of this thread can decide who’s blowing smoke, and who’s attempting to share information so that people can arrive at their own conclusions – and as regards health information, undertake or not with genuine informed consent.

          “Well known for spreading disinformation” is a partisan conclusion presented as fact, without supporting (credible) backup. Stating that I cited Joe Rogan as a source is troll-speak on its face: like a newscaster, he’s not a source of information, but an interviewer. The source I was encouraging the open-minded to see was the interviewee, Dr. Malone.

          I cited multiple medical professionals and researchers, and where to find them. The are fluent with the medical literature and science to a degree beyond yours or my capability. Let the TTAC readers view that material for themselves, and then decide.

          i’m comfortable for them to then come back and comment to both of us what they think.

          Why are you trying to dissuade them from expanding their sources of information … especially when their health is at stake?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Good ole dayz – interviews with individuals do not constitute proof. You need to post peer reviewed meta-analysis studies and/or research trials.

            “Efficacy of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine at Completion of Blinded Phase
            Abstract
            BACKGROUND
            At interim analysis in a phase 3, observer-blinded, placebo-controlled clinical trial, the mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy in preventing coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19). After emergency use of the vaccine was authorized, the protocol was amended to include an open-label phase. Final analyses of efficacy and safety data from the blinded phase of the trial are reported.”

            Here’s another one.

            https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00680-0/fulltext

            I’d post more but I don’t have full database access on my phone.

      • 0 avatar
        Good ole dayz

        Well dal20402, that was persuasive.

        Alas, typical of Progressives / Leftists – don’t engage on facts, instead direct ad hominem attacks (“racist” or “–phobe”), or blanket dismissals (“largely misinformation”). Such is not the sign of people well informed and legitimately confident in their conclusions.

        I’ve noticed that this consistently displays amongst many within the population, such as near-religious belief in fabrications such as “climate change” and “sustainability,” “systemic racism” / 1619 Project, “Trump colluded with the Russians” and 2020 was a “free and fair election.” Oh, and that the “vaccines are safe and effective” and “masks work.” If it’s cited on CNN or MSNBC or “fact checkers” then it is unassailably true and must be accepted and never questioned.

        Dr. Malone may be on to something when he discusses “mass formation psychosis.

        P.S. I forgot to mention the Joe Rogan interview with Dr. Malone.

        • 0 avatar
          dal20402

          The New York Times is not perfect. But I’ll take it every day and twice on Sunday over Joe Rogan, who describes himself as a “moron” and can’t tell the difference between Alex Jones and a qualified forensic investigator, and the Epoch Times, which accepts the crazed solipsistic rantings of Sidney Powell as fact without the slightest scrutiny. At least the New York Times has professional fact checkers who know how to evaluate the credibility of a source.

          • 0 avatar
            Good ole dayz

            If you believe that the NYT is credible, well, I guess you do.

            I understand that there are still millions who believe that. Similarly with CNN, MSNBC, CBS / ABC / NBC and so on.

    • 0 avatar
      golden2husky

      GoodOldDaze – do you think the reason this group of truckers are refusing the vaccine is because of concerns about safety? I know a pretty good number of people who are refusing the vaccine and safety is not even on their radar. They are all very much aligned politically however…

      • 0 avatar
        Good ole dayz

        golden2husky:

        I imagine that it’s a mix of reasons. The evidence keeps growing that the experimental “vaccines” are more ineffective than not (which ineffectiveness grows within months), and are causing adverse consequences – in some cases fatalities. The long-term effects are still unknown – and it is telling (highly suspicious) hat the control groups were eliminated during the abbreviated safety and efficacy testing that did take place.

        So the safety concerns are valid, and especially now that they’re targeting children for the experimental gene therapy masquerading as a vaccine. I suspect that the concerns of parents are a big factor.

        Also, with each day many are beginning to sense that there’s something nefarious afoot, that this is not actually about public health or the “virus.” The leading contender is the rollout of “The Great Reset” (openly admitted by the World Economic Forum targeted for completion circa 2030). It promises a world in which the average person “will own nothing,” and only occasionally have meat in the diet as a treat, but instead eating artificial protein and bugs (for “sustainability” don’t you know).

        Many believe that the vaccine mandates / passports are really intended as the camel’s nose for a CCP-like “social credit score” and monitoring system under the “Great Reset.” (If you use a non-Google search engine like Duck Duck Go there’s plentiful information available. See also the letters and videos by Archbishop Vigano.)

        Tellingly, Justin Trudeau (CA), Ahern (NZ), Macron (France) and Merkel (GA) are all graduates of the WEF’s “young leaders” program, and went on to become leaders of countries pushing the “climate change” / “sustainability” agenda that is much of the pretext “justifying” the “Great Reset.”

        This “Great Reset” fate many wish to avoid, and I believe that’s a factor too.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          Social credit score, great reset et al…..
          Someone needs to invest in aluminum foil headgear.

          • 0 avatar
            Good ole dayz

            Uh, you might want to view the WEF’s own video about how by 2030 “you will own nothing,” and the extensive material about “The Great Reset” on its web site.

            Ditto the U.N.’s web material on “Agenda 2030.”

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @Good ole dayz

          This data is public knowledge that requires basic math skills:

          Canada has fully vaccinated 83% of total population.

          COVID-19 deaths 32,295 or 85 per 100,000 people or 850/million.

          USA fully vaccinated 63%.

          USA COVID-19 deaths 865,000 or 262 per 100,000 or 2,620 per million.

          USA death rate triple that of Canada’s when adjusted for population.

          Serious vaccine adverse event rate:

          Canada 0.376 per 100,000 (3.76/million)

          USA 0.5 per 100,000 (5/million)

          Vaccines work.

          • 0 avatar
            dantes_inferno

            >Vaccines work.

            Especially when it comes to lining the pockets of Big Pharma and politicians with financial interests in said vax.

            #1 rule of politics:
            “No legislation, mandate or decree has been passed which hasn’t provided a substantial financial windfall for those who have a vested interest.”

            When the words “In the name of health/safety” are uttered, there is some truth to that. Here’s the breakdown:

            Health/safety: 15%
            Financial gain: 85%

            Anyone who believes that the primary goal is the former OR that these politicians/corporations have our best interests at heart is living in a feel-good Disneyesque world of delusion.

    • 0 avatar
      Argistat

      I’m going to repost Good old dayz’s reply with a few corrections:

      —– begin modified quote
      Alas, typical of far right / Trumpsters – don’t engage on facts, instead dismiss all facts (“largely misinformation because not from quack websites or the few far right TV news networks”). Such is not the sign of people well informed and legitimately confident in their conclusions.

      I’ve noticed that this consistently displays amongst many within the population, such as near-religious denial of truths such as “climate change” and “sustainability,” “systemic racism” / 1619 Project, “Trump colluded with the Russians” and 2020 was a “free and fair election.” Oh, and that the “vaccines are safe and effective” and “masks work.” If it’s denied on Fox, Newsmax, or far right social media, then it is unassailably false and must be denied and ridiculed.
      —– end quote

      But didn’t Trump just say recently on national TV we should get vaccinated? He must have stopped getting his education from Fox news (his words not mine).

      • 0 avatar
        Good ole dayz

        Argistat, dal20402 and Lou_BC:

        The dynamic you have been displaying is the common one of “our team vs. their team” that is ubiquitous these days: Progressives vs. Patriots; Secularists vs. Believers and so on.

        Both sides are exposed to the “mainstream media” that is the mouthpiece for “your” side. “My” side also consumes alternative media – more folks get red-pilled every day and join us.

        They do so for they come to see that the “mainstream media” routinely withholds relevant information, or misrepresents it. Often in pursuit of outright fabrications (e.g., climate change gives us only 12 years to act -recall that the polar icecaps were supposed to be melted by now; Trump colluded with the Russians; to consider the likelihood that the China virus was engineered in the Wuhan bioweapons lab is racist; Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation; two weeks to bend the curve; the “vaccines” are “safe and effective”; there is “no evidence” that the 2020 elections was stolen; masks don’t work – masks work – on second though masks don’t work and so on and on).

        As regards Covid, citizens exercising basic critical thinking skills are asking basic questions like “if the vaccines work, why do I still have to wear a mask” and “if the vaccines work, why do the vaccinated still get Covid” and “if the vaccines work, why are multiple rounds of booster shots necessary?” The recent leaks from the U.S. Department of Defense raise serious questions about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines.

        Informed citizens should consider themselves akin to a judge or a jury, and hear the best evidence and arguments that can be mustered by opposing counsel (media). That includes putting appropriate weight upon expertise and credibility.

        To dismiss even viewing alternative media is not compatible with that, nor with basic intellectual curiosity. Instead, it is a sign of intellectual subservience to an agenda (other than in degree, not unlike people who are in cults).

        I’ve merely been encouraging people to look at additional sources of information, and draw their own conclusions. It raises suspicion that others seek to discourage the dissemination of information.

        P.S. A one hour interview of Dr. Malone a few days ago by Tucker Carlson just became available online (Rumble, not YouTube). It would be a good place for you to start acting as a truly informed and diligent citizen …

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “I’ve merely been encouraging people to look at additional sources of information, and draw their own conclusions”

          Additional sources of information that conform with your preconceived notions?

          I have full access to various medical data bases plus healthcare professionals that are experts in disease/infection control. I don’t source my opinions from any media interview.

          I look at alternative sources so I know what sort of misinformation I have to contend with.

          Why don’t you look at professional sites that are open to the public? That’s where one should look, not Fox news.

          • 0 avatar
            Good ole dayz

            Lou_BC:

            May you long bask in the comfort of you intellectual cocoon.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “May you long bask in the comfort of you intellectual cocoon.”

            I seek measurable, verifiable, replicable information.

            Fumbling around in the dark wasteland of mis/disinformation is no way to learn and live.

  • avatar

    I got the summary of the article: Demons are Angels and Repubs are Devil or vice versa.

  • avatar

    Or “Workers of the world, unite!” or Viva la revolución!

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    EBFlex

    Complete wrong take. There are far more people on the side of not being harassed by an overreaching government. Lady Bird Trudeau did accomplish one thing, he brought all of Canada together. Yet a small fringe minority of government mouth breathers who will gladly do anything their government tells them to do continue to paint the peaceful demonstrators as the crazy ones.

    This has never been about the science, they are not following the science, it’s all about control. It has always been about control.

    • 0 avatar
      Astigmatism

      Aren’t countries supposed to control who crosses their borders?

    • 0 avatar
      Imagefont

      EBFlex: you are a perfect anti-barometer of the truth. You might be surprised what you’d learn if you did a little research outside your preferred sources of (right wing kookblabber wing nut) news.
      But tell us how you really feel about Alex Jones and Joe Rohan please.

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      Imagefont

      EBFlex: you are a perfect anti-barometer of the truth. You might be surprised what you’d learn if you did a little research outside your preferred sources of (right wing kookblabber wing nut) news.
      But tell us how you really feel about Alex Jones and Joe Rohan please.

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        EBFlex

        “ EBFlex: you are a perfect anti-barometer of the truth. You might be surprised what you’d learn if you did a little research outside your preferred sources of (right wing kookblabber wing nut) news.
        But tell us how you really feel about Alex Jones and Joe Rohan please.”

        See that’s what makes me a “problem” to the narrative. I actually DO my own research. And in doing so it’s abundantly clear this is all about control and has nothing to do with science. Hence why they are in favor and encourage the spreading of Covid.

        For the record Alex Jones is a nut job and I have no idea what a Joe Rohan is.

        “ Calling someone a lady is the worst insult you can come up with? Are ladies really such loathsome creatures?”

        I would have called him much worse but the censors here are rather oppressive. Would “disgusting sub human cancer” be better for you?

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          “I actually DO my own research.”

          Where do trolls go for research?

          Kremlin briefing notes?

          Is there a troll “hot button” file one can Ctrl-F for the latest steaming pile?

          FordhatersRus?

          Antisciencefurtrolls?

          I’ll now go back to ignoring your trolling.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “ Where do trolls go for research?”

            You generally like to quote the CDC, Mr Misinformation Fauci, and your liberal political heros. Or if you’re Hillary you pay for it.

            “Kremlin briefing notes?”

            What does the Russian government have to do with opposing draconian measures that do nothing to help? If anything Russia would be all for this type of unwarranted power grab. They love having total control.

    • 0 avatar
      carguy949

      “Lady Bird Trudeau”. Calling someone a lady is the worst insult you can come up with? Are ladies really such loathsome creatures?

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    6250Claimer

    THANK YOU. Amen.

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    Jeff S

    Heard on the news that this trucker strike is now going to expand to the Super Bowl. Isn’t this strike suppose to be about the Covid Vaccine and mask mandates in Canada? I am not aware of any mandates applying to truck drivers in the US unless this is California and maybe NY? Those attending the Super Bowl will remember this and many will not be so sympathetic toward these truckers. This might be a bridge too far.

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    probert

    What is their “cause”. They don’t want to get vaxxed, and they don’t have to, but they can’t spread covid around Canada. That is the decision they have to make. They are not supported by their union, most other truckers, and most Canadiens. They are a small group who just wants what they want with no thought to consequences or civic responsibilities. Sounds familiar…..

    • 0 avatar
      jkross22

      You do know the vaccinated spread covid, yes?

      Might want to start a rant with accurate info and THEN scapegoat the group you loathe.

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff S

        Where’s your proof of that? Are you saying that if you get vaccinated you will spread the virus? Doesn’t make any sense. Please provide proof from a reliable source such as a scientific study and not Fox News or an internet conspiracy theorists. Do people who get the polio vaccine have a greater chance of spreading polio?

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          Jeff, the proof of that is from the vaccine makers themselves. You need to do more research before accusing others of cherry picking info.

          Comparing this to the polio vaccine, eh? You don’t want to do that. Long term safety studies?

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      Lou_BC

      What is their “cause”?

      That is a valid question. It was initially to protest cross-border mandates but has morphed into a sounding board for multiple grievances.
      The 2 main requests are abolishing ALL COVID-19 mandates/restrictions and getting Trudeau out of office. There are those that believe he’s committed treason.

      Some want a direct voice in parliament,and some want to merge with a political party.

      You can sprinkle in Western Separatism, protecting the Anglo-Saxon race among other dare I say racist ideologies. I’m sure some just want to f¥ck sh!t up.

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      Jeff S

      It is less about the cause and more about getting attention and disrupting people’s lives. Don’t get vaccinated and stay away from the rest of us. In the US most states have lifted their mask requirements and most states with the exception of California and New York don’t have vaccine requirements. I am becoming less sympathetic to their cause the longer this goes on and if they decide to block the roads where I live to further their cause where there are no mandates I will have no sympathy and most others won’t as well. There will be some very angry Super Bowl fans attending the Super Bowl if the protestors decide to block traffic and honk their horns during the Super Bowl. If that happens I hope the LA police will arrest them. They want to protest fine but don’t block major roads and don’t honk your horns.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @JeffS – I was reading more about the Ottawa siege. Several protest organizers are ex-police or military. One was on the Prime Minister’s security detail. Another is an ex-counterterrorist expert. Analysis by outside experts point out how the protest was always meant as a siege. Vehicles are strategically placed with many purposely disabled. There are multiple supply lines. They are well organized whereas the government and police have proven to be incompetent.

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          Jeff S

          Lou thanks for the information. It appears to be less about a cause and more about a deliberate siege which in that case they should be arrested and given maximum fines and jail time. This affects many who work in the auto industry along with buyers waiting on their vehicles. I wonder how many of those protestors and organizers are from the USA.

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    Superdessucke

    “I’m just saying that there’s a way to protest that persuades, and a way that pisses people off.”

    Were you saying that in the summer of 2020 or were you saying that it was high time for some violence to get the message across? I’m not trying to judge. I just think we need some consistency with these positions. Those that took the latter position (remember the emphasis on mostly peaceful?), and there were a lot of them including the mainstream media, just need to put up with this until it’s over, I’m sorry. You cannot have a double standard.

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    vanpressburg

    Canadian truckers are the leaders of the free world.
    Media=liberal fascists

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    Jeff S

    This might be a good time to speed up the testing of autonomous trucks. There are shortages of truck drivers and adding to the anti vax protesting truck drivers. Reduce the number of truck drivers needed would go a long way in eliminating future problems like this.

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    Daniel J

    Wasn’t it AOC who said during BLM protests, along with Antifa and other rioting and looting, that folks need to feel uncomfortable? Well, I guess truckers making it uncomfortable when it doesn’t fit the narrative or approved reason to protest, it becomes a problem.

    It’s also obvious, by the words from the prime ministes saying that these truckers are racist, islamaphobes, and mysogonists that the mandate hase ZERO to do with public health but everything to do with control.

    When a government , any government says if you do X then you can be free that the government is no longer participating in a free government.

    Since I’m American, the way I see it at the moment is that these vaccines aren’t doing much to prevent spread nor aren’t doing much to keep folks from being asymptomatic, that the vaccine should be about personal choice.

    If we had millions dying in the US, if the virus was affecting the young, and if we had a vaccine that prevented spread, then I *might* consider that imposing on individual freedoms might be worth considering.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @Daniel J – A shallow dive into the social media accounts of protest organizers along with public statements they’ve made along with whom they associate indicates that they are racist, islamaphobemic, xenophobic, antisemitic, white supremacist et al. That doesn’t not mean all of the protesters are such but the leaders sure as hell are.

      • 0 avatar
        Jeff S

        Agree you cannot put a label that all these anti vaxxers are racists, islamophobic, xenophobic, anti semitic, white supremacist and etc. There are many who actual are against vaccines and masks and there are the organizers as Lou stated that want to cause civil and unrest because they don’t like the Government and those are the ones that want to hurt everyone and bring the Government down. One can disagree with a political view, political party, or just not like the leadership but trying to bring a Government down will eventually lead to totalitarianism and dictatorship. I blame our former President for politicizing Covid and the vaccine. Fox News and the extreme right wing pundits told viewers and listeners that Covid, vaccines, and masks were a Government conspiracy while many of those pundits got their Covid vaccines. I respect but disagree with those who do not believe in vaccines and masks but those who are doing this to cause chaos and disruption should be dealt with harshly. Those who are deliberately causing problems don’t really care about the cause they are looking for anything they can use to cause disruption.

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          Lou_BC

          @Jeff S – we have plenty of homegrown fringe types but yes, they’ve been emboldened by what’s occured in the USA. Over 1/2 of the crowd source funding has come from the USA. There’s been some huge donations in the 100,000 to 250,000 range raising serious concerns. That’s why GoFundMe was pressured to refund donations and the second fund to be blocked by the courts.

          • 0 avatar
            Jeff S

            A few fringe types spoil it for the majority of professional truckers who are working long hours and as said below without a vaccine whether they wanted one or not. I am grateful for those truckers and appreciate their service. Around where I live we have some who have jacked up large pickups rolling coal that call themselves “truckers” which is like someone who owns a riding lawn mower calling themselves a farmer. This is not to say there aren’t legitimate truckers who don’t want vaccines but it appears most are vaccinated. Having said that most of these protesters are less interested in the cause and more interested in causing havoc.

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    Daniel J

    I will say I kinda agree with Tim. Yes, many people will not be sympathetic to their cause.

    But where was the outrage from Canadiana when businesses were forced closed by the government? Government closure OK but not due to protest? These same folks could be angry instead at the government instead nof truckers who did trucking for months without a vaccine and that was A. OK.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @Daniel J – Valid questions. There was outrage over business closures but government doling out cash by the billion was a rather expensive tax-payer funded pacifier. When COVID-19 1st hit, the populace and various heath professionals were unsure how to manage it. The public was more willing to accept closures at that time.

      Protesters closing businesses isn’t popular because 2/3’s of the Canadian population disagree with them. You can add several years of putting up with COVID-19. Everyone’s tolerance levels are lower.

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    Polka King

    So what are people supposed to do, bend over and take it? One year, okay. Two years, the whole thing is a hoax.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    As Dandy Don Meredith would sing at the final minutes of a football game the party is over. Some of the protesters have been arrested and their vehicles have been towed and the bridge should open tonight.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      Also….The mayor of Ottawa brokered a deal to get them out of the downtown core.

      In Surrey British Columbia, freedom Truckers used an army surplus 8×8 truck to broach an RCMP barricade on Saturday. I hope it ends before people are killed.

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    More proof that there aren’t many people supporting the freedumb convoy. Only 29% of donations are from Canadians:

    “Analysis of the leaked data by extremism researcher Amarnath Amarasingam shows that while the majority of donors come from the U.S. (56%) and Canada (29%), there are also thousands of donations from overseas, including the U.K., Australia, and Ireland.”

  • avatar
    Jebby

    Reading these two opposing opinion pieces and then scrolling thru the comments makes me weep for our future. Remember back when we could disagree about car companies and still get along? The rabid hatred for one another in a group of alleged car lovers is depressing.

  • avatar
    08Suzuki

    Of course Matt would disagree with you, Tim. Matt’s a legit self-outed Neo Nazi. I’d link you to one of TTAC’s own articles where his profound ignorance and lack of self-awareness ended up outing himself as a Neo Nazi (it was the one where he was whining and complaining about why Germany doesn’t respect freedom of speech and, therefore, release actual legit Neo Nazis from jail) but apparently Matt had an iota of a moment of self-awareness where he realized being a Neo Nazi isn’t cool, despite his clear love of being one, and nuked it from the Interwebs.

    I strongly suspect this comment will likewise get nuked with a strong possibility of me being banned because, well, with Matt being such a stringent defender of people’s unequivocal, uninhibited right to freedom of speech and all.

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