By on July 17, 2020

Image: Daimler AG

Domestic automakers have largely rid their North American facilities of sedans, so why shouldn’t foreign manufacturers? That’s what Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler plans to do after announcing a second-quarter loss of $1.9 billion.

While the quarterly loss was less than analysts expected, financial and sales pressures brought on by the coronavirus pandemic has led the automaker to cull car production on this side of the pond.

“Our systematic efforts to lower the breakeven of the company by reducing costs and adjusting capacity will need to continue,” CEO Ola Kaellenius said, per Reuters.

In terms of production, that means a number of things. The company has already decided to ditch a French assembly plant that once cranked out Smart models for North American consumers, but can now be replaced by a Chinese facility (after Geely’s purchase of a 50-percent stake in the brand). In North America, the plan is to get the Mercedes-Benz C-Class out of Alabama.

The automaker’s best-selling car in the U.S., the C-Class entered production in Vance, Alabama in 2014, though it was rumored last year that future generations of the model would hail from elsewhere. The plant focuses mainly on the GLS and GLE utility vehicles, and that’s where M-B sees future growth.

South of the border, the company’s plant in Aguascalientes, Mexico (that’s the joint Renault-Nissan one) will cease production of “a variant” of the A-Class, Reuters reports, turning its attention to the new Mercedes-Benz GLB small crossover. The A-Class sedan entered production at the plant in September 2018.

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64 Comments on “Amid Losses, Daimler Rethinks North American-made Sedans...”


  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Why do I think the C-class is Mexico-bound?

    • 0 avatar
      Lorenzo

      Why? Would a pending trade war with Europe make adifference? I think the Alabama plant also exports models to Europe. A plant in Mexico could still supply the C class to the American market, and allow exports to the EU in the event of a trade war.

      If Trump is re-elected, he’s likely to conclude a trade deal with the UK, and play hardball with the EU. The polls don’t look good for Trump right now, but Michael Dukakis had a similar lead in the polls.

      The top brass at M-B has to be leery of what might happen – American politics is as clear as mud to foreigners (and many Americans). As the joke goes, after the election there will be two groups: those who are afraid the winners won’t live up to their promises, and those afraid they will.

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        “but Michael Dukakis had a similar lead in the polls.”

        No he didn’t. At this point he was only ahead by 6 to 7%. Not 15%.

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        The article doesn’t even mention trade wars, Trump, or Michael Dukakis. It just mentions that the C-class isn’t going to be made in Alabama anymore.

        Seriously, some folks would politicize putting on their damn undies in the morning…

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @FreedMike – You’d think some people only wear 1/2 of their underwear. One mustn’t yield any ground to the left or right ;)

          But both sides need the middle to swing their way for victory.

  • avatar

    Who is Michael Dukakis and why he is relevant? Did he hide in the basement too and could not put two sentences together?

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      It really is time to put Biden out to pasture. It is painfully obvious that he is suffering from some sort of neurological deterioration.

      • 0 avatar
        mcs

        This guy?: youtu.be/mP-hyDSlmUs?t=7

        Yeah, this is a car site, right? Too much politics sometimes.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Don’t mind him, he only comes here when he runs out of clouds to yell at. He’s mad because he can’t pass the presidential dementia test

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @Lie2me,

            Does one fail the presidential dementia test by being too demented or by not being demented enough?

            Unfortunately, what happens in this election may have a big effect on whether we will still have privately owned vehicles, and on whether ICE vehicles continue to exist.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Is that what you think this election boils down to, privately owned cars?

            Man, your mask is on too tight

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            The major issue with the upcoming Presidential election in the USA is that a significant number of the incumbent’s supporters are science deniers.

            They deny that COVID is a threat.
            They deny that climate change exists.
            They deny that vaccines are beneficial.
            They deny that evolution took place.
            They deny the importance of relevant academic credentials.

            They do however believe in conspiracy theories.

            Science deniers will often revert to the demand that 100% of scientific articles/journals/research agree. Something that is an impossibility as by definition scientific knowledge is always expanding.

            When entering into a discussion with someone who denies science and instead depends upon their opinions or beliefs, their personal belief/opinion or personal anecdote/experience, is in their view as valid as peer reviewed research.

            Thus reverting to the usual resources of evidence or logic does not sway their opinion.

            The end result is a divided population. Opposed to each other and often unable to reach a compromise.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        One shouldn’t be slagging Biden’s mental health with the current occupant of the WhiteHouse bragged on Fox News that doctors who administered him a recent cognitive test were “very surprised” that he “aced” it.

        “Doctors “were very surprised. They said, ‘That’s an unbelievable thing. Rarely does anybody do what you just did.\'”

        Anyone with a normal cognitive function passes. Anything over 26 is a pass. 30 is an “ace”.

  • avatar
    Old_WRX

    @Lie2me,

    “Man, your mask is on too tight”

    How perceptive of you. I did in fact replace the mask I have been using to comply with IDD (Imaginary Disease Directive) with a new one yesterday. And, the elastic on the new one is, indeed, really tight.

    “is that what you think this election boils down to, privately owned cars?”

    OK, I’ll explain. The “left” and the “right” have different views on the subject of the “environment.” Never mind the fact that nothing that comes from either side seems to be rooted in reality. The liberals [sic] are backed by the same people who would make a fortune if we were all forced out of our ICE cars. Oops, I mean the liberals are more concerned about the environment than the conservatives.

    This election is, in fact, solely about whether you, Lie2me, will be allowed to own a car and whether that car must be electric, rubber band, or Fred Flintstone style powered. That is all this pre-election chaos (CV19 and riots) and pull (the lever) for a fool day are about. I hope your satisfied. But, if you aren’t. Oh, well.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      This election is about issues far more important then the environment, but they’re kind of complicated and it must be past your nap time, so you take care

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        @Lie2me,

        Well, I guess you told me. And, I shall, as directed, take care.

        In a way this election is very simple: Choose your flavor of autocracy. Would you prefer communism or fascism? The fundamental difference is the fascists hit you over the head and tell you what to do; the communist hit you over the head and tell you what to do, but they also seem to think that it is so desperately important that everybody see things the way they do (it isn’t, but they don’t know that).

        I await, with bated breath, your pithy response.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Oh, give me a break…Biden is NOT a communist, and if you really think so, then it just means you slept through poli sci.

          And, no Trump is not a fascist. If he were, I’d have disappeared about four years ago. Incompetent blowhard idiot who wants more power for himself? Yep. But there’s a LONG march from there to fascism.

          What nonsense…crack a history book before you say silly crap like that.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @FreedMike,

            I hope you’re right.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            We don’t have to hope or think…neither fits the description you gave them.

            What indicates to you that Biden is a communist? What indicates to that Trump is a fascist?

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Of course he’s right, Biden was Vice President for eight peaceful, prosperous years. THAT’s Biden’s America. Chaos, corruption and incompetence is the Trump America I’m sick to the teeth of

            Nobody is going to take your cars or your guns, but they might lead you toward a healthy, stable government that puts the country and honor before personal gain

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “What indicates to that Trump is a fascist?”

            Unidentified militarized officers in unmarked cars arresting protesters and then disappearing with them.

            With the exception of mass torture and murder, it is reminiscent of Operation Condor.

            Oh, forgot about detaining aliens, separating children from family, and killing unarmed non-combative men gasping, “I can”t breath”.

            It is Operation Condor for domestic consumption!

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            I do not think Joe Biden is a communist.
            I do not think Donald Trump is a fascist.
            And, I’m not really interested in arguing the finer points or aligning myself with those that believe otherwise.

            Unfortunately, I *do* think that many of my fellow citizens have allowed their brains to be short-circuited.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Lou:

            No, that stuff does not make Trump a fascist – it makes him someone that likes to abuse his power. Plenty of presidents have been guilty of that. What sets Trump apart is that he does it unapologetically. He just doesn’t care what anyone thinks. Rotten, narcissistic leadership, to be sure, but not necessarily fascist.

            If he truly were fascist, then anyone talking about the events you mention would have simply disappeared.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @Old_WRX

          “Climate”

          All those years of “cold war” propaganda directed internally and externally has sure been effective.
          Anything that one dislikes is branded communist or socialist.

          Since when is owning a car some sort of God given right? and how is replacing ICE with electric motors that path to perdition?

          IIRC, excessive heat is by definition “hell”.

          (Imaginary Disease Directive)

          WTF?

          No wonder that the USA is currently the hot mess that it is.

          SARS-CoV-2 isn’t imaginary nor is the disease it causes.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @Lou_BC,

            “Since when is owning a car some sort of God given right?”

            Since when is any right a god given right? Since never. They can all disappear real fast. It has happened many times in many places throughout history.

            “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.” –Thomas Jefferson

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Old_WRX – my point is simply that owning a car isn’t a “right”, it’s a “privilege”.
            “Rights” can be taken away but that still doesn’t change a person’s “inalienable rights”.

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            Owning a vehicle isn’t an “inalienable right”, but I still 100% would not vote for anyone with a platform to get rid of them or with plans to “ban” ICE.

            However, I don’t think this guy is going to be the one to do those things.
            motorheadmama.com/heres-the-deal-joe-biden-loves-cars/

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Anyone who thinks Biden wants simply do away with conventionally powered cars is WAY off base, for a simple reason: hundreds of millions of ***voting Americans*** own conventionally powered cars and don’t want to give them up.

            He isn’t nuts, after all.

  • avatar
    Old_WRX

    OK, guys, take a deep breath. If you don’t agree with me that’s fine. And, if I don’t agree with you, that’s also fine.

    @Arthur Dailey,

    You completely contradict yourself:

    “They deny that COVID is a threat.
    They deny that climate change exists.
    They deny that vaccines are beneficial…”

    So, apparently you’re saying all those things are true; that disputing them is being a “denier.” We all know that “denier” and “conspiracy theorist” are current pejoratives.

    But, then you go on to say: “Science deniers will often revert to the demand that 100% of scientific articles/journals/research agree. Something that is an impossibility as by definition scientific knowledge is always expanding.” Which is certainly true, but completely at odds with all that “denier” stuff you listed.

    So, which is it: Wrong to question the utterances of our scientists or wrong to be in dogmatic agreement with a certain scientific position?

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @Old_WRX – it isn’t wrong to question scientists but it doesn’t make much sense to ignore their recommendations. We have people searching for ANY piece of information that aligns with their predetermined world view. People don’t search for the truth, they search of validation. That’s called “confirmational bias”.

      The better educated one becomes, the less likely one is to fall into that trap.
      The majority of medical experts have similar opinions on COVID-19, Climate change, or what ever issue you care to consider.

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        @Lou_BC,

        “People don’t search for the truth, they search of validation.”

        Very true. This is why people tend to stick to media outlets that they are comfortable with. One of my favorite sites for info is a real b*tch because it features stories that flat out contradict each other. The site is not going to decide for you.

        I have yet to conclude whether this CV thing is a real threat or not. I have read many studies on it. The one thing I can say for sure is there are many who say it is and many who say it isn’t. But, the MSM is only reporting the one side.

        And, meanwhile I’m playing along as far as the mask, etc. stuff goes.

        On the other hand, I have seen two studies about how far the aerosols from human breathing/cough/sneeze can travel. The first was many years ago and their number was thirty feet. I saw one in the last few months that said 23 to 27 feet. Something in the range of 20 to 30 feet makes sense to me. No study I’ve seen says that 6 feet is adequate.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @Old_WRX –
          “I have yet to conclude whether this CV thing is a real threat or not.I have read many studies on it.The one thing I can say for sure is there are many who say it is and many who say it isn’t.”

          Have you read actual scientific/medical studies or abstracts? what are the confidence limits? What’s the sample sizes? What are the assessment parameters? Peer reviewed?

          Or have you read articles, comments, et al from journalists or individuals posting their opinions?

          Who? Where are their abstracts, studies?

          The majority of the scientific/medical community sees it as a real threat.

          It is a real threat.

          All indications are that it is a bigger threat in “mature” societies. Health care extends people’s ages and technology(mechanical devices, processed food etc.) increases the incidence of obesity and diabetes. Technology (i.e. transit, mobility) also fosters spread. At least 1/2 of the USA population falls into a risk category.
          In Africa,the average age is 22 years old with low obesity, low diabetes,and very few people living long lives. the death rates have been lower than expected.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @Lou_BC,

            “Have you read actual scientific/medical studies or abstracts? what are the confidence limits? What’s the sample sizes? What are the assessment parameters? Peer reviewed? ”

            Here’s one of those for you : https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

            Yes, the articles I have read are not junk pieces. And, they do frequently disagree.

            But, I see no reason to pursue this discussion. So, I will conclude with a quote from Benjamin Franklin: “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

            Though I will not judge as harshly as Franklin. I don’t consider it my place to judge what people do or don’t deserve.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Old_WRX – That article you cited was March 26, 2020. A lot has changed since then. There is considerable variability because one does not know the true number of people infected by SARS-CoV-2.

            If one looks just at know deaths in the USA, influenza kills anywhere from 12,000 to 61,000 people annually. Currently the USA has 143,000 deaths. That means SARS-CoV-2 virus is 2 – 12 times more deadly than any influenza strain over the past 10 years.

            Citing a range of variability as Dr. Fauci does isn’t a clear disagreement with current science. With that being said, you still haven’t listed even a fraction of the dissenters that you claim to exist in the epidemiological field.

            It makes perfect sense that you want to exit this discussion. Being forced to reassess one’s position is never easy.

            Quoting a great man like Benjamin Franklin is disingenuous. Wearing a mask doesn’t impinge on one’s freedom. He was a scientist. I’m sure he just flipped in his grave.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Have you seen the latest…

          “Donald J. Trump
          @realDonaldTrump · 2h

          We are United in our effort to defeat the Invisible China Virus, and many people say that it is Patriotic to wear a face mask when you can’t socially distance. There is nobody more Patriotic than me, your favorite President!”

          Your king has spoken. Hahahahaha!

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “We are United in our effort to defeat the Invisible China Virus”

            Nope. All of the evidence points to the contrary.

            “and many people say that it is Patriotic to wear a face mask when you can’t socially distance.”

            That would be mostly those on the left who are anti-Trump.

            “There is nobody more Patriotic than me’

            Ditch “patriotic” and replace with narcissistic and/or psychopathic and/or racist and or misogynistic and/or……

            “your favorite President”

            Polls point to the opposite of favorite.

            @Lie2me – Yes, Ha ha ha .

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Lou, I must say that he is getting resoundingly beaten to a pulp over this comment, now, months after the horse has left the barn

            The internal polls must be horrendous for him to make this statement

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @Lie2me,

            Whose king?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “months after the horse has left the barn”

            You mean “months since the Wu Flu Flew to U.”

    • 0 avatar
      Arthur Dailey

      @OldWRX: others have explained the fallacy in your statement far more eloquently than I can. I will however add that you are demonstrating that ‘all or nothing’ approach of deniers. Searching high and low for one article, often regardless of date or sample size, to try to disprove something that over 90% of those with applicable advanced degrees have agreed upon through scientific research.

      What is logical is accepting that science progresses and that what you believed to be true last week may actually be proven to be false. But not then claiming that the researchers were ‘incompetent’ or ‘not to be trusted’.

      I do agree that Trump is not a fascist. His administration is currently a kleptocracy. Making him useful to many enshrined Senators and Congressional Representatives. Trump has no ideological foundation to build on, merely narcissism. Which many of his solid base have strengthened by creating a ‘cult of personality’. Just like the dynasty in North Korea, they ascribe unique, almost ‘superhuman’ attributes to him. Meanwhile while the federal non-response to COVID has created a dumpster fire, he has spent all 4 days of the past 2 weekends playing golf.

      Looking at the USA as a foreigner, we cannot believe that your 2 presidential candidates are people who we don’t feel are capable of even sitting on the residents’ board of a retirement home.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        @Arthur Dailey – some have painted the choices in November 2020 as Biden Communist and Trump Fascist. The true political opposite to Fascism isn’t communism, it’s anarchy. Biden doesn’t fit any definition of communism that I’ve seen. Trump does have totalitarian tendencies but he’s too stupid to be able to weave his tendencies into anything resembling fascism.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          @Lou_BC,

          “The true political opposite …”

          One partly represents ideology A the other party ideology B. So, that implies A is the opposite of B?

          “but he’s too stupid”

          I love that one. They’ve really got the public snowed with the old “they’re too stupid,” or they’re too incompetent” to be up to what they are up to.

          It would be hard to count the number of things that have blithely been waved aside with: Too Stupid/Incompetent. I think that is called being in denial.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “but he’s too stupid”

            I just aced a blood test. Yep, it turns out I have some and the doc said it’s A+

            My blood is so smart :)

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @Old_WRX – there are those that believe the Cheeto-in-chief is playing 3 dimensional chess and is light years ahead of everyone. I’m not one of those.
            He has been proven to be incompetent in business throughout his career but since he dribbled out the end of a wealthy penis, he has had daddy’s money to fall back on. Once that wore off,he’s been saved by the “too big to fail” theorem.
            You could speculate about various organized crime/Russian oligarchs and laundered money into the mix.
            His fat orange azz has been saved by the Republican Senate and those wanting to stack the US court system with Republicans.
            If anything, he is an idiot savant when it comes to playing a con.
            Lastly, anyone who brags about passing a mental status exam and points out that the last few questions were really hard is in fact stupid.

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        @Arthur Dailey,

        Oh no, I’ve been labeled a denier — we’re all gonna die.

        Cut me an effin break. Don’t tell me you buy all this two year old name calling “denier” and “conspiracy theorist.” Using either of those terms as an attempt to discredit someone who does not agree with you is on the level of: did too, did not, did too, did not. It belongs on the elementary school playground. If you label someone “denier” or “conspiracy theorist,’ the only person discredited is you.

        • 0 avatar
          Arthur Dailey

          When a person ‘denies’ the available scientific evidence what would you call them? I stand by the dictionary definition.

          When one believes in conspiracies, how should you identify them? And I do not believe that it is a pejorative. After all I believe that Oswald did not act on his own. I believe that Epstein did not commit suicide. Those are my beliefs. I cannot prove them. Therefore I accept that my beliefs may be incorrect.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @Arthur Dailey,

            The point I am trying to make is that calling someone a “denier” or “conspiracy theorist” has become a facile way of brushing off an inconvenient concern someone has. I saw a video of a press conference with Fauci. A reporter said that there had been a lot of allegations that data was not being handled in an appropriately rigorous way. That the data had been skewed to make the number of deaths from CV look higher than it really was. Fauci’s response was that the people alleging statistical slight of hand were “conspiracy theorist” and that it was “just noise.” This not an appropriate response. Accurate statistics are something the medical professional has historically treated as of critical importance. This is one of the reasons that articles are peer reviewed. Questions about the way statistics are being handled in this sort of situation should be addressed in an intelligent manner. Fauci’s sneering jibe of “conspiracy theorists” only diminishes his own credibility.

            I agree that Oswald did not act alone; and I cannot prove it. I also believe that the world trade centers did not collapse because of the airplane strikes — partly because demolishing them without taking out blocks of buildings around them would be a formidable task of engineering. In the sixteen years I worked as an engineer in industry I never once saw a difficult task like that go right by accident. But, again, I can not prove it.

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    @Lie2me – Agreed. I seriously doubt that after 3 years and 8 months or so in the role, he has finally realized that the best re-election strategy is to actually do the job you were elected to do!

  • avatar
    Old_WRX

    @Lou_BC,

    “It makes perfect sense that you want to exit this discussion. Being forced to reassess one’s position is never easy”

    So, I should reassess my opinion based on this discussion? Hmmm, no. Once, you’ve looked behind the curtain you can’t go back to believing in the wizard.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      @Old_WRX – all depends on which curtain you looked behind. In the USA, I’d say that the health care system and the political system has been a failure. I don’t look at just one country’s approach to all of this. Even countries successful with control have had stumbles and setbacks but have adjusted quickly.
      Should you reassess your opinion? Why not?

      I routinely reassess my opinions.

      Don’t confine your quest for answers withing the continental USA.

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        @Lou_BC,

        I constantly reassess my opinion or even simply don’t decide. And, I definitely do not confine my information sources to within the borders of the US. To this day my opinion that CV is not what it it cracked up to be is quite tentative. Admittedly, a lot of what there is to go on (and I go on) is circumstantial. If this is indeed a hoax then the the inescapable questions are who? and why? (what is who trying to accomplish?). Cui bono?

        This is all happening (CV, riots, and a lot of other bizarre behavior) before what is without a doubt one of the most contentious presidential races. Meaningless coincidence or planned? I seem to recall that some similar riots, etc. occurred in 2016. That lends at least some credence to the idea that the timing is intentional. And, it would be hard to deny that the left is making maximum use out of CV and the pres’s “response” to it.

        Don’t get me wrong. The right is not exactly holding back either.

        The blatantly partisan squabbling in the media brouhaha over CV suggest that something isn’t quite right, or at the very least the politicians are making rather callous use of the situation to further their agendas.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          The whole world isn’t in on some grand scheme to undermine the current US administration.

          Has the media played it up? Maybe the USA media has but reporting on the poor US Federal response has been in foreign news agencies as well. The rest of the world looks at the USA with dismay.

          Trump fanned the flames of race and class to his advantage. That backfired since it just primed the pump. One more senseless killing set it all off.

          Occam’s razor. The simplest explanation amoung several is usually the correct one.

          It isn’t a mass conspiracy. Too complex, too convoluted, too hard to conceal.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      “Once, you’ve looked behind the curtain you can’t go back to believing in the wizard.”

      The Wizard of Orange has been revealed as the incompetent, amoral buffoon that he is

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        @Lie2me,

        Amoral or immoral?

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          I couldn’t decide, both work. Which do you think is best?

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @Lie2me,

            Well, let me see. If we ask a moralist he would probably tell us thus that amoral is immoral. If we don’t ask that moralist — which would be my preference — then we are back at square one. I guess it’s just a moral dilemma.

            I hope that was helpful.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “I hope that was helpful.”

            Not even a little bit

            a·mor·al
            /āˈmôrəl/

            adjective: amoral

            lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.
            “an amoral attitude to sex”

            im·mor·al
            /i(m)ˈmôrəl/

            adjective
            adjective: immoral

            not conforming to accepted standards of morality.
            “an immoral and unwinnable war”

            Like I said both work, but thanks for the word salad

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “Once, you’ve looked behind the curtain you can’t go back to believing in the wizard.”

        “Once you cast a glimpse of that tiny schmeckle… there is no going back.”

        Stormy Daniels

  • avatar
    Old_WRX

    @Lie2me,

    “Not even a little bit”

    Sigh, I tried…

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      Try harder

      • 0 avatar
        Old_WRX

        @Lie2me,

        “Try harder”

        Try this one. These people are a group of philosophical practitioners. They will, for a price, help you with any moral dilemma. There solution will be based on the sum total of all the wisdom of mankind.

        https://appa.edu/

        They say they help with “management of human problems and the amelioration of human estates.”

        So if you want a human problem solved or a human estate ameliorated — check ’em out. I have absolutely no idea what “a human estate ameliorated” means. Do you?

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          You really shouldn’t skip your nap time you know how you get at the end of the day without it, all rambling and incoherent or are you drinking again?

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @Lie2me,

            Drinking? No. I don’t need any artificial stimulants to reach these heights of ratiocination. And, just so you know, I’m like this all the time — at least after my first cup of coffee.

            And, I still haven’t figured out what amelioration of human estates is.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “And, I still haven’t figured out what amelioration of human estates is.”

            Google stopped working?

            “amelioration of human estates” is a legal construct and therefore doesn’t typically fall under philosophy and determinations surrounding human morals and/or immortality.

            You do appear to enjoy muddying the waters.
            Muddy waters?
            Is that just stirred up sediment or excess bovine effluvia overwhelming the water table?

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