By on June 18, 2020

Juneteenth. Shutterstock user scoutori

The edict came down from our corporate parent last week: Juneteenth is now an official company-wide holiday.

That means we’ll be off on Friday, June 19th.

As is often the case when we’re off, there may be some pre-written posts that go live. And since not every car company is observing the day, if news breaks and one of us is near a keyboard, we’ll try to catch it and post. I, myself, will spend part of the day learning about a refresh for a particular German sedan (under embargo until the 23rd).

Our weekend posting schedule will likely remain the same, even with Father’s Day being this Sunday.

So, until we’re back full-throttle on Monday, take some time to reflect on the experiences of others, and enjoy Father’s Day, however you may celebrate it during a time of social distance. And if your dad has departed, or you don’t get along, I understand Father’s Day may be fraught for you. In that case, simply have a good weekend and we’ll be back on Monday.

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229 Comments on “Housekeeping: TTAC Takes Juneteenth Off...”


  • avatar
    Lie2me

    Enjoy your day off :)

    • 0 avatar
      Pig_Iron

      On this day, we also honor the unbreakable spirit and countless contributions of African Americans throughout our history who have enriched every facet of American life. #Juneteenth – Mike Pence

  • avatar
    JimC2

    May we all enjoy good health, safety, prosperity, fellowship, and freedom.

    • 0 avatar
      Pig_Iron

      On this #Juneteenth, we remember the millions of African Americans who suffered the evils of slavery and commemorate the historic moment, in 1865, when the long awaited order reading “All Slaves are Free” ushered in Emancipation. – Mike Pence

  • avatar
    Land Ark

    Work announced today around 9:30am that we were expected to take tomorrow off if possible. I appreciate the gesture and support it, but more warning would have been nice.

    In other news, there is a new single by the band Doves out today – “Carousels” – and if you’re a fan of Doves it sounds like there was no 11 year gap between songs. Definitely has that great Doves sound.

    • 0 avatar
      thegamper

      Somehow, I have never heard of “Juneteenth” prior to this year, or if I did it was simply a footnote that I never really picked up on. I have worked in Detroit for the last 20 years, I live in a somewhat diverse suburb, but grew up in a small all white community in West Michigan. My wife has a similar background and neither of us had heard of it until this year. A little research seems to indicate that it has been celebrated since the late 1800’s.

      To me, the fact that it has never really had broad awareness in the white community lends credence to a lot of what is happening in other current events.

      • 0 avatar
        Land Ark

        I hadn’t heard of it until last year when a co-worker who wrote a story as part of the diversity group that was going to be sent out to all the employees at my company and she asked me to proofread it.

        The origins and later celebrations are really interesting.

      • 0 avatar
        28-Cars-Later

        I heard of it many years ago but never understood what is was.

  • avatar
    indi500fan

    I read that although Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima were laid off yesterday, their many years of accumulated seniority will give them a nice severance.

  • avatar
    mason

    I’m sure it’s no coincidence this is the first year of “observance” in 155 years of “rememberance”.

    But get back to work on a long revered father’s day, you schlub.

    We don’t need any more politicizing. We need reality.

    Sad that even TTAC folds to such political non automotive related nonsense.

    And yet another website I will be cancelling my notifications on. I’m sure nobody cares because the narrative doesn’t fit.

    Just like me.

    • 0 avatar

      Just because you don’t care about something/person/cause/noun doesn’t mean the rest of the world agrees with you. This is reality. See beyond yourself.

      Be sure you leave all websites and businesses which take off religious holidays you don’t observe, or donate to causes which you don’t personally support. Check their employees don’t celebrate things you disagree with, be real thorough.

      “…even TTAC folds…”

      It seems you lack an understanding of corporate parentage, wherein the owner of a brand or group of brands dictates when holidays and time off will be.

      “I’m sure nobody cares…”

      What are we, the people of this site, losing without your patronage? Have we a reason to care?

      I hope you have a nice Friday, and are never affected by any of the things you choose not to support, learn about, or believe in. :) May you find an automotive website where you can really stand out from the crowd, and which will not offend you. Perhaps Yahoo Autos.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        @Corey, yes, your parent corporation has shown how much they care in a manner that requires less effort than making like it is 1996 or so and pinning on a ribbon. Good job. Now what have they done other than signaling to all of us how much they care.

        • 0 avatar

          I’ve nothing to do with the decisions of VS, they may signal or do more or less without my knowledge.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            Corey that was harsh. I get corporate edicts and I apologize. There is a lot of that going around and I think 95 percent of it is meaningless. Didn’t mean to imply your involvement one way or another and know I still enjoy this place…just miss some of the old type content.

          • 0 avatar

            For the record, I don’t agree with companies doing the bandwagon signaling thing. But it’s all the rage, and gets you points with consumers. It’s also almost free. Win win win.

          • 0 avatar
            mason

            “For the record, I don’t agree with companies doing the bandwagon signaling thing. But it’s all the rage, and gets you points with consumers. It’s also almost free. Win win win.”

            Except for consumers with a conscious.

            That’s a really disgusting comment, and drives home the point I’m making.

          • 0 avatar

            I think you’re expecting far too much critical thinking and awareness of the American populace at this time.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “ I think you’re expecting far too much critical thinking and awareness of the American populace at this time.”

            The unmitigated and unwarranted hysteria over the corona cold proved this…..the riots just reinforced it

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Hi, EB, all packed and ready to go to Tulsa? Be sure to forget your mask

            Hug everyone for me,

            -The Grim Reaper :)

          • 0 avatar
            Daniel J

            Or loses points with consumers. It’s all about audience.

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “ Hi, EB, all packed and ready to go to Tulsa? Be sure to forget your mask

            Hug everyone for me,

            -The Grim Reaper :)”

            Why do you assert that common sense and critical thought has to be political?

            Preliminary studies show that the riots haven’t resulted in a spike in corona cold cases. Literally proves this hysteria is unnecessary.

            Although maybe it’s better you cower inside away from adult society.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            EB, only you would equate random rioters with a presidential rally

            Thank you, EB, you never fail me :)

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            In EB’s defense, which it pains me to come to, I watched the news a couple of weeks ago and doctor after doctor proclaimed it was OK to exercise your First Amendment rights by assembling in large groups. Then churches reopened and people want to do Trump rallies and it is a problem. Do you sort of see why maybe people are questioning the Narrative? Or do we have evidence that Covid-19 as a virus is politically active?

            Maybe I’ll carry a brick and a protest sign to mass and I’ll be safe.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Art, personally I couldn’t care less if Trump packs them in like sardines, but there has been a huge spike in cases in Tulsa just this week and it wouldn’t be right for anyone to encourage a rally or a protest.

            There was a time when Presidents were held to a higher standard then protesters, but NO ONE expects that any longer

            My heart goes out to the peaceful people of Tulsa who are just trying to preserve their health and property

          • 0 avatar
            EBFlex

            “ In EB’s defense, which it pains me to come to,”

            Frankly I don’t need anyone coming to my defense ever. You’re either in the side of common sense and individual thought it you’re like Lie2Me who just believes whatever they are told.

            Nice of you to see my position but really, it’s plainly obvious that the left has made this corona cold is political. Fine people for opening their business but yet rioters can burn them down with impunity. Threaten people who want to go to church but yet allow riots. Release criminals from jail yet demand people stay at home.

            Clearly things don’t add up. They never have with this corona cold. But anyone with the audacity to point that out gets attacked by people like Lie2Me and Lou_MR. Craziness.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Everything about EB is painful :(

            EB, you have a most lovely evening :)

          • 0 avatar
            ect

            Quite apart from the political repartee, it is a fact that many of the states that closed late and opened early (e.g., AZ, TX, OK, AL, GA, FL) are experiencing significant spikes in new cases and hospitalizations – deaths will surely follow, in due course.

            I actually agree with Mike Pence on one thing – we have no current need to fear a second wave of Covid-19. As matters stand, the first wave will be with us for a long time.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            We did the first shutdown to allow hospitals time to prepare with respect to equipment and ventilators and “flatten the curve” so that hospitals weren’t overrun before they were prepared.

            We did that. We were never going to stay shut down until a vaccine was available because the country’s economy would be destroyed.

            Shutting down long enough for nobody to get this was never part of the deal. We have now set up the healthcare system to maximize people’s chances of survival should they contract Covid.

            People are free to stay home and indoors if that isn’t enough.

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      They have been corporate owned for some time…verticlescope or some such nonsense iirc, but don’t quote me.

      It’s an easy way for there parent corporation to show how much they care without actually doing anything to contribute to solving the legitimate problems we as a nation are facing.

      I’m simply waiting for whatever non-compete Robert Farago signed when he sold the site to expire and hoping he gets something going. I miss the site that was quoted in white house press briefings. But still, even in its current state, there is some solid car discussion when the cheesed!KS don’t take over a discussion.

      Yeah, been here that long.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        That must be one long non-compete. He’s been gone a long time

        • 0 avatar
          mason

          You guys commenting are exactly what’s wrong with this country. Where was all this discord from the time of this “holidays” inception? Juneteenth happened 150+ years ago and we’re all just now talking about it? On a car site. Where were you last year Cory Lewis? Spare me the answer. I already know. You were mumbling about whatever was popular one year ago, two years ago, blah blah blah. People really don’t care about the situation at hand. The proof is in the pudding.

          Lie2me, yeah I been around too. I just don’t comment much. I think if you look from the outside in you can see why.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Huh? I was talking to Art about Robert Farago, I have no idea what you’re talking about

          • 0 avatar
            mason

            I read Arts comment and then yours before responding to the gestapo Lewis,and got the messenger crossed up. My apologies.

          • 0 avatar

            You lose any arguments when you start name calling, so maybe avoid that approach.

          • 0 avatar
            mason

            Awfully sharp criticism for a company guy that just admitted this whole “new” 150 year old event is nothing but free press.

            I think you guys should really be looking in the mirror instead of adding condescending remarks to the general public.

          • 0 avatar
            jkross22

            Mason, it’s odd that you’re complaining about people expressing their opinion on a car site and then proceed to express your opinion on the car site.

            Seems like a better use of time would be to try to bring the temperature down. Even just a little bit.

          • 0 avatar
            DenverMike

            Maybe not in the high country. It’s been a Texas state holiday since the ’70s and otherwise celebrated in the south, especially when it falls on a weekend.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Mason:

            If Corey was the Gestapo, you’d already have disappeared, along with your family.

            History books are fascinating. Crack one sometime. Or just go on playing fake-victim. Your call.

        • 0 avatar
          Pig_Iron

          You have a right to your opinion, you are immediately wrong if you are rude. Rude, uncivilized remarks mean an immediate loss of the argument. They also can mean a loss of commenting privileges.

    • 0 avatar
      Pig_Iron

      Corey says happy black supremist day.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      “I’m sure nobody cares because the narrative doesn’t fit.”

      Actually, speaking for myself here, but if you quit this site I won’t care because this is just the latest in a long, long list of silly things you’ve said…but you feel free to play victim if it makes you feel better.

      If you want to leave, then vaya con Dios, my friend.

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Odder so a Canadian company is celebration a US holiday, maybe we can adopt Boxing Day this year in solidarity?

  • avatar
    docoski

    Fully in support. We’ve had Columbus Day federally recognized for eons – white dude ‘discovers’ the ‘new’ world, millions of folks who have been here thousands of years die from biowarfare. We celebrate our independence from King George, may we also celebrate our independence from the tyranny of the Southern slave economy.

    • 0 avatar

      Please explain, with specific examples, how “biowarfare” was waged against North American settlers from Siberia centuries before Pasteur’s germ theory gained credence.

      The inhabitants of North America who were here when the Europeans arrived for the most part did not raise livestock, so there were fewer vectors of zootic transmission and they had little immunity to the natural spread of viral diseases.

      As a Jew I have issues with aspects of European culture but I’m getting a little tired of “white man bad”. No group of humans on this planet has a monopoly on evil. When it comes to cultural attitudes of racial superiority, the Han Chinese certainly give European cultures competition.

      • 0 avatar
        docoski

        This is an accessible article: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/03/1491/302445/
        You could also read a Pulitzer winning book, “Guns, Germs, and Steel,” Jared Diamond.

        What is happening in China is awful. But I didn’t say anything about that. Neither did OP. The Holocaust is awful and fully deserves our attention. But OP didn’t say anything about that. While we’re at it, the Armenian genocide is also pretty awful, did you forget about that or have you cornered the market on atrocities? Juneteenth is about the emancipation of slaves. May we focus on that? I think it’s worth celebrating since we already celebrate the ‘discovery’ of the world that was the beginning of genocide. (see above references)

      • 0 avatar

        Europeans are not bad – they are just weak at this point of time. Israeli army can defeat any European army without much effort. Even Polish army can do that.

        No one is bad. Take for example Germans – they are nicest people in the world. On the other hand if you watch movies – they presented as monsters.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Huh? I’m related to a bunch of Germans, they’re not all that nice

          • 0 avatar

            Why? Germans are the most peaceful nation in the world. Unlike Israel, USA and Russia.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Then why do they constantly say “Russia” on TV? Wait. Ukraine never stopped investigating Biden. Stuff is gonna come up on your Buddy. In fact, his name should be “Butcher of Ukraine”. I don’t think anyone wants butcher for president, or do you?

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            I guess Germans are pretty peaceful…They do typically surrender at the conclusion of the global conflicts they start and most did go to the gas chamber peacefully.

            Were I Israel I’d probably be on a war footing, what with some country shoving 6 millionish of my people into an oven and all. Who was that again?

          • 0 avatar

            Lie2me: “I’m related to a bunch of Germans, they’re not all that nice”

            But at least Germans are not racists. Cannot say the same about Americans, Russians, Brits and French.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            “But at least Germans are not racists.”

            I suppose technically attempting to exterminate a religion doesn’t make you racist.

          • 0 avatar
            Pig_Iron

            You have a right to your opinion, you are immediately wrong if you are rude. Rude, uncivilized remarks mean an immediate loss of the argument. They also can mean a loss of commenting privileges.

          • 0 avatar

            “attempting to exterminate a religion doesn’t make you racist.”

            No, religion is not a race. I would even say that Israelis are not racists, even though progressive movement thinks they are, because Palestinians belong to the same race as Israelis.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Come on. The only reason Russia is not peaceful is because everybody wants a piece of it
          Mongols, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, Sweden, Turks, Napoleon, Brits, Japan, Poland, Germany – these are the major invasions here I am talking about.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Nice try, no one wants anything to do with Russia, Boris

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            You aren’t fooling anyone Salvuta…I have been to the KGB Prison in Vilnius. All the Lithuanians want is for Russia to leave them alone which is historically something you guys have had a problem with.

            I actually watched an old Lithuanian woman saying something about Putin in response to a news article. When she said his name, she spit. Why is that? Go to the KGB Prison and see.

            Same in any Eastern block nation. They did it your way. They have no desire to repeat. They just want to be left alone. None of them “Want a piece” of Russia unless it is a piece that Russia has come in and stolen after the wall fell.

            Napoleon? Seriously?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            LOL…anyone who wants a piece of Russia gets nuked. Maybe that’s why no one has invaded them since 1941.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            FreedMike, NO ONE wants a piece of Russia with or without the nukes. Except for oil and vodka, they’ve got nothing

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            “Except for oil and vodka, they’ve got nothing”

            There’s better oil and vodka in Texas. Now, what they do have is the best dashcam videos. Hard to beat a good Russian dashcam video.

          • 0 avatar

            “they’ve got nothing”

            Lie, there is song for you – right from Flint MI: “I (Who Have Nothing)”

            youtube.com/watch?v=pLq763Y1AVw

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      @Art Vandelay

      just don’t fool yourself. I work with a Lithuanian guy for a long time. We talk a lot. He never said anything good about Lithuania. Lithuania today is a nazi collaborator state. They have 25-30% of Russians there and they treat them pretty badly (in political sense). They wear nazi uniforms on parades and in [email protected] they killed 100K Jews. And you gonna tell me of KGB prison. What about CIA prisons in Europe where people being tortured without anyone even know that these captives are there. One guy spent 2 years until they finally found out that this is wrong Hussein. Bottom line, KGB had this prison there most likely for a good reason. Lithuanians who spent time in it deserved it. Those who didn’t deserved it, simply carried on just like everyone else. In fact, since fall of USSR Lithuania lost 1 million people and population going down. Must be so good in there now… My friend says, only some old folks live there now.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        You think all of these Russians just popped up in these places? When you forcibly occupy somewhere for the better part of a century there are likely to be some leftover folks at the end. Yeah, there is likely some resentment. It isn’t like you guys came to the Baltics and we’re greeted with open arms. People tend to dislike their oppressors.

        Yes, some Lithuanians did collaborate with Nazis. You can see the results at Ponar. Been there? I have. You seem to imply there is some sort of active collaboration going on now however and it’s just not true. They are grappling with much of their past like many nation’s, Russia excluded of course as you just want to sweep it under the rug like always. You guys are like GM. Anything meaningful the USSR you trumpet. But all of the oppression and what not, that got shoveled off to “Old GM…I mean Old Russia”. Shall we discuss Soviet behavior in wartime and the survival rates at the Gulags?

        And are you seriously sticking up for the KGB? Oh yeah, I forgot…it was just a circle of accountability, right? But it was there for a good.reason I suppose if you are the USSR. Dissent sort of proved to be your undoing. Maybe you needed more of them.

        My country is pretty freaking far from perfect, but good lord man, it has been a lot of years since I encountered an honest to God Soviet Sympathizer.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          “I suppose technically attempting to exterminate a religion doesn’t make you racist.”

          Germans did not try to exterminate religion. This was a genocide. They exterminated ethnic groups, Jews, Roma, Slavic people (at slower rate)

          “Yes, some Lithuanians did collaborate with Nazis.”

          Not some. A lot! And a lot worked for/with Soviets. USSR created modern Luthuania by giving them some lands.

          And KGB wasn’t only bad. They did good things too. Yes it was their job to suppress any nationalistic movements. But you don’t seem angered when I tell you that in timed of democracy, Ukrainian KGB did same thing to Crimean independence movement. I and my Lithuanian buddy many times noted and agreed on one thing – whatever happens or happened here, it also happened there. Only here, these identical actions named differently.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          “You think all of these Russians just popped up in these places? ”

          No, they did not just popped. Poland all Baltic states and Finland were part of Russian empire just 100 years ago. So, just like Russians popped in these places, Polish, Lithuanians, Finns, etc popped in Russia. For example, organization that later became KGB was started by a Polish crew. One on the top Soviet WW2 generals couldn’t even speak Russian well with his heavy Polish accent. Stalin was Georgian and his late NKVD chief was Georgian and a good man too. He actually protected people from Stalin’s demands of finding more enemies of the people. My mom’s boss was Finn. Latvian guards were used to execute Czar Nicolas and his family.

          These areas are truly multi-ethnic places, only every time there is always a group that tries to make it a national thing

  • avatar

    Can someone explain to me what Juneteeenth has to do with Canada?

    Perhaps I missed it, but has corporate ever recognized remembrances of the Shoah, Holodomor, or Cultural Revolution?

    • 0 avatar
      mason

      “Perhaps I missed it, but has corporate ever recognized remembrances of the Shoah, Holodomor, or Cultural Revolution?”

      Only when something happens that makes headlines will you get your wish. Sorry, it’s just not important until then.

    • 0 avatar

      Add here November 7th – the anniversary of October Revolution in Russia. It was my favorite holiday since I was a Little Octobrist. I am insulted that this holiday is ignored in America.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Not to worry. They have Lenin’s statue in Seattle, and in good shape too. Hell that he ordered mass executions. Ah, yes. They didn’t execute blacks. Then this is OK

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        ILO,

        didn’t we learned something? https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/story/2020-06-04/pushkin-restaurant-riots-looting-san-diego

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        We Americans know all about the October Revolution. Russia named that big Typhoon Submarine after it and a young Alec Baldwin, who would later go on to be a rather controversial president assisted the captain, James Bond, and his Officers in defecting and bringing the boat to the US. This negated the Russian strategic advantage in the Cold War and allowed Rocky Balboa to go to Moscow and finish off the Ruskies one Christmas. Fascinating story.

        • 0 avatar

          Drago actually wasn’t Russian – formally he was Ukrainian and lived in Ukraine with his son (wife left him). And to be further rigorous Drago was Swedish Ukrainian, he spoke Russian with Swedish accent and currently lives in LA.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Yea, but before that, Drago finished boxing career of Apollo Creed who later went on to work for CIA where he hooked with Dutch on a trip to a Central American forest, where he died. And Dutch took his spot at CIA and later worked as undercover Russian cop of Ukrainian origin, Ivan Danko, in America.

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            No no no…Creed went to work for Weyland-Utani and died out in space fighting aliens with that blue woman from Pandora.

      • 0 avatar

        I want to correct myself: I am DEEPLY insulted that November 7 is not a national holiday in USA and Canada..

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Ronnie,
      Holodomor is such myth. They couldn’t make numbers right. So, it is like 2 to 10 millions. And it is changing. And most important is to blame it on Russia. Even though, a Georgian was in the office, there wasn’t such state called Ukraine at that time or ever, and most territories where this happened were attached from Russia. What else they do, they take pictures from WW1 and post it as evidence for “Holodomor”. No doubt, famine happened and not only there, but it wasn’t state-organized event as it claims

    • 0 avatar
      conundrum

      Nothing. I’m Canadian and I don’t know what Juneteenth is, never heard of it, so I read the post and the comments and I’m no further ahead. Sounds like eleventy billion. Torstar who own VS were recently rescued from their almost grave and bought up by a new group of investors – maybe whatever this day off is has something to do with them.

      We’ve had no new CV-19 cases in our jurisdiction, province of Nova Scotia, for nine days and several weeks of just one or two before that. So June 18 was the day we got to meet again in people’s houses, backyards whatever in groups of ten or less WITHOUT social distancing or having to be members of the same family. For a lot of people that’s almost back to normal if you discount parties. The weather’s great, the playgrounds were re-opened, the beaches are packed albeit with social distancing like shopping. Hell, we’re going to have a great weekend being human again! Some pals I haven’t seen physically since Mar 7, so you can bet there’ll be some lively cavorting.

      Enjoy this strangely named holiday in the USA!

    • 0 avatar
      Dan

      Of course not, and how many bagel shops have you people looted and burned this week?

      Coincidence? I think not.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      @Ronnie:

      The Holocaust ended over 75 years ago, and there is no more large-scale, official discrimination against Jews in the United States. The Holodomor ended over 80 years ago and Ukraine is a sovereign country now. Mao’s been dead for over 40 years, and the Cultural Revolution died with him.

      Can you say that widespread, cultural, institutional bigotry against black people which Juneteenth is about, when you boil it down – is a thing of the past? If you can, then your eyes ain’t open, friend.

      That’s why those historical events you mentioned aren’t remembered the same way Juneteenth is – the people and ideologies that caused them are long gone. But institutional, cultural racism against black people never stopped.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      Oh, and by the way, Ronnie, if a company has to be American to honor an American holiday, tell every foreign entity that does business here to stop including our holidays in their marketing. Since this TTAC, you could start with FCA, an Italian-owned company that waves the living s**t out of the American flag to sell Jeeps and Ram trucks every chance it gets.

  • avatar
    EBFlex

    Hopefully they issue the same edict for May 15th but I doubt they have the backbone to make such an honorable and respectful proclamation.

  • avatar

    These are my two favorite songs: “The Show Must Go On” and “The Mob Rules”

  • avatar
    -Nate

    God forbid one snowflake group would care about another….

    Watch this well meaning thread go sailing off the rails by the regular lying cowards .

    -Nate

  • avatar
    2manycars

    Sorry, I’m all for equal treatment regardless of ethnic background but on the other hand I am not going along with mob rule. I do not accept “Juneteenth” as a legitimate holiday, will not celebrate it, and will not take time off for it. It is just another day.

    I’m sick and tired of life being dictated by snowflakes and race hustlers and will not play along.

  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    I never heard of “Juneteenth” until this week, and had to look it up to learn what it is.

    Adding this holiday to the calendar won’t change anything, just as Christmas doesn’t convert people to Christianity. But people sure do enjoy the time off.

  • avatar
    Don Mynack

    We learned about this in elementary school in Texas in the 70’s. Glad to see the North is finally catching up.

  • avatar
    don1967

    I have seen racism in 2020, and it’s not the flag-waving redneck. It’s the urban white liberal who keeps throwing gasoline on the fires of racial division, victimhood and government dependence, in the hope of keeping millions of slave voters in line.

    Woke virtue-signallers have a choice. Take the red pill; listen to Larry Elder or Candace Owens. Or take the blue pill, tune into CNN, and everything goes back to normal.

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    @DenverMike–Having been raised in Houston and spending 29 years of my life there it was an unofficial holiday meaning June 19 was not a day off but it was recognized for its significance. I think it has a good chance to become a national holiday after the recent turn of events and the Black Lives Matter but that is probably a good thing and maybe we can all eventually get along.

    Mason & Corey–I don’t like when everything has to be politicized by either political party or position. As for removing statues, not displaying the Confederate flag, and renaming products because of the names and images have certain connotations I have no problem with that. I don’t believe that we should rewrite history to make it more politically correct but that we should know what the past was, learn from it, and then take action and make change happen instead of talking about it.

    Sometimes it better to ignore some of the comments on this website. I understand why Corey commented but I don’t agree with his adding fuel to the fire. As a writer on this site I think it would be enough to just state that not everyone agrees and not add to the banter. Mason, I get that June 19th is not a Canadian holiday but this website is not just Canadian it is USA. Much more important things happening than whether a website observes a holiday or not. Most of us are still going to read the articles on TTAC and comment on them regardless of what day it is.

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      This phony sensitivity thing (=say the PC thing or else..) has become far more threatening a disease than the corroded virus.

      “MAN, n. An animal so lost in rapturous contemplation of what he thinks he is as to overlook what he indubitably ought to be. His chief occupation is extermination of other animals and his own species, which, however, multiplies with such insistent rapidity as to infest the whole habitable earth and Canada.”

      –Ambrose Bierce

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        In Russian language there is a word “Ch-e-rn\'”. Which means “rabble”, “mob”, “uneducated crowd”, “canaille”. This rabble in 1917 in Russia did exactly what they do in America today. First, attack police. When police no longer comes to work, the road to loot is open. But they where orchestrated by very intelligent and educated people. And same happens here. Looks at the symbolic. Same as Ukraine 2014. Another same pattern as Ukraine – deep minority disturbs and shakes the whole country and sadly, same pattern is – majority that hides in their homes and agrees with demands. And the result will be same as Ukraine – anarchy, lawlessness, poverty, and war.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          @slavuta,

          True.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Old_WRX,

            you see it yourself. Lie2me (and 300M Americans) do not understand that we’ve seen this already. We, our grand parents, we already seen this happen. I told Americans all the time – don’t take your country for granted. It can explode at any moment, especially if it is helped to it. These “protests”, they are not spontaneous. This is a well organized destructive movement. But those who steers this now also have no idea how this can come out of control. Example: While Lenin, Kamenev and Bukharin were deciding strategies in newly formed government, Trotsky went into this government with soldiers and overthrew it. Another one: Fidel Castro never wanted to be red-socialist but US turned him away and Chegevara turned the masses, so Castro had no choice.
            Revolutions are made by minorities. Did Franco had majority? No. Majority voted for socialists. He had minority, namely, his army. These people will not believe it until they will see the barrel into their face.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          Yes, we should follow the Russian example of how to govern

          Boris, take a hike we don’t do things the “Russian way” in the US

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Lie2me,

            did you get off your knees yet? This is just the start. Then they will come for your children. Although, I suspect, your children are already on all 4.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @Lie2me,

            Looks like we’re about to follow the Russian way of governing. Just replace “social class” with “race.”

            The term “slave” is racist. Originally it was synonymous with “slav”, referring (if I’ve got it right) to the peoples of eastern Europe and Russia.

            There have been many other terms used to describe slavery: indentured servant, conscript, convict labor, zek (guest of the Gulag). There have been slaves and slave owners of all races. There were hundreds of thousands of white slaves in the Americas (Irish, convicts, indentured servants), but they are just a footnote at best.

            Don’t get me wrong; I celebrate how far things have (or, sadly, maybe, had) come in this country in terms of race relations. I like the fact that the neighborhood I live in is mixed: white, black, east Asian, Indian, Arab, etc.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Boris, the only person “on their knees” are those who worship Putin, especially YOU.

            @ Old_WRX, I have no idea what you were trying to say or what you point is, but I certainly defend your right to say it :)

          • 0 avatar
            Pig_Iron

            No spam/unwarranted self-promotion/advertising.

          • 0 avatar
            Old_WRX

            @slavuta,

            “you see it yourself.”

            Yes, and I am American by birth and have lived here almost all my life. But, what is happening and where it is heading is so painfully obvious.. A Jugashvili with computers….help!

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “A Jugashvili with computers….help!”

            Actually it’s a iphone, but you’re correct

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          In Russian language there is a word “Ch-e-rn…”

          Is that like CHERNobyl? Makes sense given the uneducated rabble in the control room. Oh those crazy Russians.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Actually, morons in that control room were Ukrainians and they did in fact screwed up badly as you know. And definitely, the word has exactly same root – Cherniy, means “black”. How fitting

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Dyatlov

            Sure about that?

            And if there are no Russians in Ukraine, then why does the Russian Army feel the need to meddle in Ukraine to protect “ethnic Russians”

            Either way, there was definitely at least one in that control room and he was running the whole crapshow. Just another stellar contribution of your fine nation to the planet.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Lol, Boris has never let the truth get in the way of a good lie ;-)

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Ok, one dude was Russian and he lived there since 1973. Actually I didn’t know this detail. Doesn’t mean anything still. Ukrainian nuclear scientists where working in Russia. It was one country back then. Check this out – Khrushchev wasn’t Ukrainian but was sort of. He was Ukrainian first secretary, so Ukraine was his mother. Brezhnev – from Ukraine. And Ukrainian first secretary Scherbitskiy was supposed to become the Next.. But Andropov (KGB) said, “we had enough Ukrainians” and got selected. After him there was Chernenko, another russian with Ukrainian father. So, if you think that Ukrainians were dominated, don’t make this mistake.

            “…why does the Russian Army feel the need to meddle in Ukraine to protect “ethnic Russians””

            First, there are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine. Volunteers, advisors – yes. Army – no. But on another side, you can forget calling Donbass Ukraine. I don’t think they want to go there and I don’t think Ukraine wants them. Second, my question is, what American soldiers doing in Ukraine? If you don’t think that Russians in Ukraine need protection, think again. Ukrainian criminal army bombed civilians WW2 style. This is why. But Hungarians do same thing. They already gave passports to Ukrainian Hungarians in case they need to run away. Last week, Bulgarians were protesting Ukrainian government, which sliced their enclave into 5 parts, so that Bulgarians wouldn’t be majority in 1 but rather a minority in 5. This way, they can force the closure of Bulgarian schools and require 100% Ukrainian language schools. Ukraine currently ruled by Nazis. And having a Jewish president is a joke. He has no power. People chanting in front of his office, “Vlad, Come out… we’ll …” Its a joke

          • 0 avatar
            Art Vandelay

            That one dude was literally responsible for the whole thing…minus of course the Soviet @$$hats that came up with the crap design in the first place.

            And we are in Ukraine (in tiny numbers) because:

            1: When Ukraine had the gall to want to exercise some self determination and join NATO you guys threw a tantrum and

            2: The government asked us to participate in some exercises. I mean actually asked…not like the government in Kabul asked you guys to help out in Afghanistan. Furthermore they have confidence that we will actually leave and

            3: They are scared you are going to grab up some more of their nation. Probably all of it given an opportunity.

            I am quick to diss my country’s foreign adventures for sure, but in this case this is the sort of thing I’m fine with. One democracy helping another keep it that way and keep you $#!+heads from oppressing them for another 75 years.

  • avatar
    Lemmiwinks

    Why oh why do I keep wandering into the comments section on this site?

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Agree, many of us regret wandering into the comment section but sometimes there are some actually good comments that are related to cars.

  • avatar
    Crosley

    Because we had forgotten about slavery and the 620,000 that died in the Civil War.

    I also forgot that America was the only country that ever had slavery. FYI, the last country to formally outlaw slavery was Mauritania in 1981, located in Africa. Africa and Africans were knee deep in the trade as well (as well as nearly every country on Earth)

    Seems to me this “holiday” all about creating animosity and division from the usual race hustlers.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      66% of Americans are race hustlers who want to create animosity and division?

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2020/06/19/juneteenth-official-holiday-americans-harris-poll/3221973001/

      News to me…

      • 0 avatar
        Crosley

        Because if you answer “no” to a survey like this, you’re a racist. Isn’t that obvious? So something probably 95% of America had never even heard about 2 weeks ago now suddenly becomes a holiday. Then we can put all of this behind us, right?

        We also need a formal federal holiday for Kwanza, unless you’re a bigot.

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          What’s it to you if most people think the end of slavery is something worth celebrating? I can’t believe that there are sane rational people who would have a problem with that

          What “right” are you being forced to give up in return? ZERO is the correct answer

          • 0 avatar
            Crosley

            Because it never ends. What about Kwanza that celebrates African-American culture? If someone doesn’t want that to be a federal holiday, are they bad people?

            Also, paid holidays “cost” money, in this case the taxpayer but also to employers. Why don’t we have month-long holidays if they are “free”?

            I certainly don’t care if someone wants to recognize anything, including Festivus. I’m just done pretending this is a sane reaction to what happened. That because a cop murdered someone we need a new federal holiday about slavery.

          • 0 avatar
            Pig_Iron

            Here’s something else to celebrate. California just struck down Section 31 of their constitution.
            “The State shall NOT discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting.”
            Well, equal rights was nice while it lasted, and I’m not even lying to you.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Crosley, some people think that slavery was a big deal. Just because YOU want to minimize it doesn’t mean others do. How do you feel about Christmas being a holiday, but only meaningful to Christians? Is that fair?

    • 0 avatar
      Crosley

      Lie2me,

      You demonstrate exactly what I was talking about, either celebrate this new holiday that nobody knew about a few weeks ago, or you’re a racist.
      It must mean you are secretly pro-slavery.

      It’s silly virtue signaling. So we have MLK, Juneteenth, and what’s next so we can put this all behind us? What about Obama’s birthday? You don’t want to celebrate the first black President’s birthday? What about Rosa Parks?

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Besides, I wonder, why genocide of American Natives goes so unnoticed?
        I totally understand what you’re saying. But listen to me also. African Americans of the last 100 or so years never cared much about slavery. Only some radicals like Louis Farrakhan would stroke this subject outside historical context. For most, slavery was a story, history far away. How do Jews feel today after being enslaved in Egypt 3000 years ago. Most of them (may be Hasidic do) feel nothing really but something to celebrate by tradition and religion. African Americans were always interested in equality and ability to make it in America.

        But some people need to invoke the feelings, create the rage and then guide this rage somewhere. Only they forget. You start this, it is most likely will run out of control and boomerang.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        Wow, you really twisted all this nicely

        You have a lovely day, Crosley :)

        … and Boris

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        At the risk of contributing to this discussion while my Nomex undergarments are at the dry-cleaners:

        It’s interesting that more emphasis was not paid to Juneteenth during Barack Obama’s tenure as POTUS, in addition to how he missed a similar opportunity to highlight Kwanzaa and its principles.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          sgeffe,
          its simple. I posted somewhere here on this. Af-Americans don’t care about slavery as much. This is all hyped up right now. None of them or their grandparents were enslaved. They care about equality, racism, and ability to do well. Obama himself is really as white as they come. And his Kenyan daddy probably himself had some slaves or servants. From contacts with people from India, Malaysia, etc, I learned that their families over there, today, have people who live with them for generations as servants. These people come here, work for 10-20 years, then go back to their family homes where they have servants who clean, cook, go to market to buy food. And owner’s family does not have to do any chores.

          • 0 avatar
            sgeffe

            We are, at our core, all human beings!

            Equal under God!

            When I saw that knee on Floyd’s neck in the video, I was like, WTF??!!

            If Left and Right would figure that out…!

            Sadly….

  • avatar
    Art Vandelay

    Honestly they should probably just make it a federal holiday. You are correct, there is no harm in celebrating the end of slavery.

    I think what most people are rolling their eyes at is how all of these companies are scoring some cheap points and showing how much they care in a manner that requires no real effort on their part. It is the equivalent of wearing a ribbon in the 90s.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Exactly. I am rolling my eyes at Nancy Pelosi and other jokes for wearing these African scarfs. The hard truth is, Africans hate guts of African Americans. If I was one, I would be deeply offended by these jokes who have not fix the apparent issue since MLK death, each being in the office for 20,30,40 years. Ironically, Brazil is the country with worst slavery in the passed and today they don’t have this racial thing

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    What’s my favorite engine? There are so many that I like but I would have to say either the small block Chevy engines or the Hemi’s of the past. Nothing beats the sound of a good old American V-8.

    • 0 avatar
      Pig_Iron

      Both solid choices, the SB Chev outlasted all the other GMs, and the Chrysler
      was so well engineered.

      Personally, I’ve always had a soft spot for the Buick V6 / 3800. It’s no monster V8, but was was such an underdog, and also lasted way beyond anything its designers dreamed.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Which one is best V8 today, Mustang, Camaro, Hemi??

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        Zil, right comrade?

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Do you know Russian trucks KAMAZ? You should check wikipedia:

          “Kamaz vehicles have won the truck category of the Dakar Rally 15 times as of 2018. All 14 of the 2010 Dakar Rally stages in the truck category were won by Kamaz trucks. ”

          Czech Tatra truck were/are also pretty good.

          I had a ride in a Zil limo like Stalin’s. And Zil 131 was a really good truck

          And in Ukraine they used to make a car named…. Slavuta

      • 0 avatar
        Pig_Iron

        I’m going to say the Mustang Coyote. Not because I favor it, but because it crushed the others in the Engine Masters competition so throughly, they banned it from competing.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          I drove friend’s v8 Mustang a few times and loved it. Unfortunately they have some issues now with manual transmissions. I’ll wait. Right now I use car so little that I don’t even know if I need it.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        I am a lifelong Ford guy, but I love the Hemi (new). But I love it for the same reasons I love old school V8’s. I don’t know if I’d call it the beat available.

        Its also hard to knock the GM V8’s. I’d own one had it not come wrapped in the POS that is the modern Camaro.

        Hard to go wrong with either…or the Coyote for that matter, but I’m going to hold out on picking a winner until I see where Ford takes the 7.3.

  • avatar
    JD-Shifty

    The protests are working and the bigots are seething

    • 0 avatar
      Pig_Iron

      Maybe, but it’s scaring moderate independent centrists into the open arms of Trump. Beware of unintended consequences. Remember, Bernie supporters remain a disgruntled wild card too. As do Green supporters. Bigots are a statistically insignificant sliver of voters.

      • 0 avatar
        ect

        Pig_Iron, all the polling says you are whistling past the graveyard, as Trump’s numbers are steadily falling.

        • 0 avatar
          Daniel J

          I’m a moderate. I had no plans on voting for Trump. Can’t stand him really. My vote wouldn’t have mattered since my state will elect him anyway. But I’ll vote for him just so it adds to the popular rolls.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Trump’s numbers were falling in 2016 too.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            How about that rally, huh?

            Ever throw a party and have no one show up?

            Yeah, me either

          • 0 avatar
            mcs

            @lie2me: “How about that rally, huh?”

            Actually, 10’s of millions showed up. It’s just they were 60 to 140 nanometers in size with 9 to 12 nanometer spikes with the appearance of a solar corona. A little hard to see.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Maybe it was this part…

            “Testing is a double-edged sword,” Trump told the crowd. “Here’s the bad part: when you do testing to that extent, you will find more cases.” I told my people, “slow the testing down”

            Or maybe it was this part…

            “some very bad people outside,” alluding to the campaign’s unfounded claim that protesters were responsible for the many empty seats inside – NBC News

            Oh, I forgot to yell, “FAKE NEWS!”

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      Except, in this case, the “protesters” are bigots. And, they are seething — and helping themselves to anything that isn’t nailed down.

      I’ll take MLK’s “I Have a Dream” over the militant nihilism of this. His was a great vision.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        MLK also denounced communism while many rioters denounce capitalism.

        • 0 avatar
          Old_WRX

          @slavuta,

          I don’t quite know what to say about that. As far as I can see far too much emphasis is placed on the form of economy/government: communism, capitalism, democracy, cacastocracy, etc. What is wrong with modern society is, I believe, deeply rooted in the moral/spiritual crisis of Western society. Neither form is any good within a society that is as lost on the personal level as this one is. The disaster of Stalinism and the disaster of the US’s current mess show that without personal integrity no system “works”. (I may well get blasted for saying this on here.)

          And, before anyone yells at me for being an arrogant phony moralist… I’m not for a minute trying to say I’ve got it all figured out or that I’m morally above it all. But, when you’re disabled you get a lot of time to think…

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Old_WRX,

            I agree that morality and integrity are keys in any government. Our lobbies and political campaign mechanisms completely destroyed these. In China corrupt politicians and managers get executed. Their CCP system is really effective. I’m also not saying, good or bad. I say, effective. They force high standards and they don’t have political inflight. Committee, order, action. The dragon is moving. And here we spinning tires in the mud because politicians only worry about election cycles.

      • 0 avatar
        sgeffe

        Damn straight!

        MLK, Jr. would be bawling his eyes out! (And he might be!)

        “The content of their character!”

        A man among men! Ahead of his time!

        When I get there, I hope to shake his hand!

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    Pig Iron that is a great engine as well and I would add the 2.2 I-4 that I had in my 99 S-10 which I gave to my nephew. True it is far from being a performance engine but it is a very dependable and long lasting engine. Hard for me to pick a favorite and the only reason I choose the small block Chevy V-8 and the Mopar Hemi because they are great performance engines and legendary. Ford has some great engines as well with the Coyote, their 351 Cleveland, straight 6’s, and the 3.0 V6 DOHC Duratec engine in my wife’s prior 2000 Taurus was great with lots of power and very reliable. Honda, Toyota, and Mazda also make some great engines as well that all go the distance. PS add the Mopar Slant 6 as well.

    • 0 avatar
      Pig_Iron

      Good points. WRT the straight sixes, they were all remarkably reliable.
      :-)

    • 0 avatar
      Old_WRX

      @Jeff S,

      Yes, I was just remembering the slant 6 in my ’64 Valiant. The car was rusting to pieces, but, the engine was still a marvel of smoothness with lovely, linear low-end torque.

      • 0 avatar
        Arthur Dailey

        The Chevy small block v8, the GM 3800, the Chrysler slant-six and perversely the final iteration of the VW air-cooled engine and the Jaguar straight six would be my picks for vehicles.

        No engine surpasses the Roll-Royce Merlin for pure sound.

  • avatar
    Arthur Dailey

    I find @Slavuta’s postings quite amusing. Notice how many of his ‘political’ posts are written in a manner that appears to be written by someone slightly struggling with English composition. Yet his use of short forms and punctuation are accurate. When he posts strictly on automobile matters, and his comments on those are often informative, his English composition can be impeccable.

    And in his ‘political’ postings, some of his allegations or statements are so outrageous that it appears that he is actually satirizing his supposed ‘right wing’ beliefs. It is almost like he is operating a ‘false flag’ enterprise.

    If you wish to get an accurate assessment of what happened or is taking place in the former Soviet Union then @Gtem is a reliable source. Unfortunately he seems to be posting much less lately.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      The problem for you is, @Gtem, I believe, is seem from Russian Federation. And I am from Ukraine where specifics are different.
      Besides, you just don’t want to accept the insight I have for the events in Ukraine. It doesn’t matter to you that I am in a constant contact with people over there and read their press. You think, you will read biased English publications and know more about real underlying fabric of that society than I. This is laughable. This is all. My wifey, BTW, when she came to US and went to college, was most proficient English student in her class with a score of 98%. Yes, we “Russians” (this is how in America they call all people from former USSR), have a special perspective to the events in America. Because we were raised on teachings racial equality, ethnic friendship and we don’t understand why in such prosperous country as US, these things have to exist today, when in USSR these were gone in 1920s. And we fins our explanations for it

    • 0 avatar

      ” Unfortunately he seems to be posting much less lately.”

      Because nothing interesting is happening in former USSR, if you do not take into account proposed change in constitution which makes possible for Putin to be “elected” president unlimited number of times, i.e. for life. Russian political analysts (on TV) also worry about what will happen with US nuclear arsenal if presidential elections turn into full blown civil war.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        “Putin to be “elected””

        Actually, I do listen to Russian opposition-opinionated sources. Their annalists have no doubts that 75% of Russians genuinely elect Putin. And they are sorry about sad situation that Russian laymen don’t see that Putin is bad for Russia. In the centers more people vote for somebody else but in deep Russia Putin is popular. And one of the problem for the opposition, they mentioned, they don’t show up during elections. For example, the vote for the constitutional amendment that you’ve mentioned, seem going to be ignored by opposition. This is why their radio and newspapers strongly call for everybody to go and vote.

        In in my personal opinion, Putin will not be running after this term. Also, Merkel currently, how many years in the office, 15? more? Germany does not have limits. US only introduced limits in 194…something. And to put a nice black line under all of it, just go and vote for somebody but Putin. As I said above, opposition knows that this is Russian tradition to vote for one who is already in the office. Russians are scared of changes and Putin’s propaganda helps it.

    • 0 avatar
      Lie2me

      I agree, Arthur, but to what purpose? Who cares what gibberish this Russian stooge spits out on a car site? He’s hyper-critical of anything American, loves Putin and is mildly amusing to argue with, but to what end? No one really cares

      I too get a kick out of the Russian accent he writes with. He sounds just like Boris the Russian spy from the old Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon. Too funny

      • 0 avatar
        Arthur Dailey

        Probably a ‘false flag’. He fails to mention that there is a great deal of difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian born in Ukraine. Or that anti-semitism was rampant from the former Soviet Union. As was prejudice against the Islamic populations in the areas annexed/colonized by the Russian Empire. Or that the Soviet Union was a fallacy, ‘officially’ consisting of multiple ‘Soviet Republics’. Or that even still the Soviet Union/Russia was an economic basketcase. And most importantly that they have no history or knowledge of democracy, having fell prey to the ‘strong man’ theory of governance.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Arthur, you’re such uneducated man. Actually no. You’re educated only educated by some morons. Soviet Union was totalitarian but totally progressive state, way ahead of this false democracy US had when USSR started. Soviets had “First woman” in everything when in America it was all white men. Blacks were lynched in Alabama when Soviets create university in Moscow only for Africans.

          You telling assortment of facts but without any timeline or context. Antisemitism in USSR started the end of Stalin, when “Ukrainians” became power. Jews defined USSR. There weren’t pogroms in USSR. It was a political antisemitism. I don’t defend antisemitism!! I can’t by nature. I don’t even buy German cars for this matter. But Jews still made it through and through. They’ve “lost” passports and took names of their “grand mothers”, which were russian-sounding. Or married a russian wife and changed name to hers. Top Soviet ace of WW2 Ivan Kozhedub was Ukranian and he flew only on LA planes. LA stands for Lavochkin. Not many could tell by russian sounding name that Lavochkin was a Jew and designer of T34 Koshkin was a Jew. Vannikov was a minister of armament and a Jew. This list can go long way.

          If you tell me things, bring context and timeline. Not naked statements

          • 0 avatar
            JimC2

            Soviet Union so good Germans had to build wall keep Amerikanski out.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            And Reagan had to beg to “tear down this wall”, so Americans could get their very own Trabant

            Boris, you’re nuts! Oops, I may have mentioned that already

          • 0 avatar
            Arthur Dailey

            Actually most of my education regarding the USSR comes from those who escaped it. Many of them. Anti-semitism was indeed rampant after Lenin’s death. The USSR was not progressive it was in fact in many ways the opposite. Which is required to maintain a one party state. It was an economic basket case. And it maintained control over its Warsaw Pact members through threats.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          @Art,

          now I clearly understand how you get this crazy ideas of USSR. You simply listened to blind haters. The problem with this people, they are hysterical prostitutes.

          I hated Commie gov and ideology. I hated inability to create at will, and inability to do legal business. But I never hated USSR itself in its entirety. Lets talk cars on a car site. In USSR, a car manufacturer would receive a number of cars they must make for 5 year plan. And this is all the management would care about. Engineers would come up with brilliant designs and would be told to keep them in the vault because management can’t stop a manufacturing plant for retooling. If they stop, they will be short on 5 year plan and commie party will .. Under Stalin, GULAG was a plausible possibility, but later, they would take the guy from a factory management and place as a store manager, reducing person’s influence, salary, etc.

          Again, you repeat “rampant antisemitism”. Tell me, in which country there wasn’t same? Didn’t someone in America sent ship full of Jews back to Germany? Didn’t Slovaks killed their own Jews before Germans even said “heil”? Hungary paid Germans 500 Marks for every Jew removed. Your friends in Lithuania were so brutal to Jews that German General ordered his soldiers to protect Jews from Lithuanians. Ukrainians in Lvov were greeting Germans. Germans asked “give me list of your Jews”. The answer was – “we don’t have any. We killed them.” soviet antisemitism started after Stalin’s death. I have a long list of antisemitic actions by soviet authorities in a file. But this was political antisemitism and not physical. Mostly related to Israel. Soviets thought that Jews are potential agents of imperialism via connections with Israel. There was one Doctor case that Stalin created from his paranoia shortly before death, but it was reversed quickly. Until 1937 purges, Jews were core of the tops in NKVD btw. Khrushchev was true antisemite. He started secret anti-Jewish government policies. And yet. Jews still authored unproportional number of songs, films and other artistic creations. Just like Spanish music is Gypsy, Soviet was Jewish

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Lie2me,

        Are you Arthur’s parrot? You tell me that I love Putin or I am critical of America. Everybody is critical right now. I don’t know if there is any normal person who likes what is going on in America. I see it as, damn, I need to participate yet in another civil war. I already stood in front lines.
        Churchill said, “I have not become a PM to see my empire off.” And I say, “I did not come to US to see it turn blue”. My accent is not thick. So I will deny you this pleasure

        • 0 avatar
          Lie2me

          I didn’t say you loved Putin, YOU said you love Putin, “Putin is my friend”

          Putin is no one’s friend, Boris

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            @JimC2

            you’re not far from the truth:

            “The Soviet Union had rejected East Germany’s original request to build the wall in 1953, but with defections through West Berlin reaching 1,000 people a day by the summer of 1961, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev finally relented.”

            Also Kennedy was thankful wall went up: “its better to have a wall than a war”

            @Lie2me

            I was sarcastic About Putin. . Reagan is my favorite president because he knew how to tell a good russian joke. Or any joke.

            But again, this wall never needed to go up. Stalin always wanted to keep Germany united and neutral (like Austria, Finland). US had different ideas, so… If FDR had not died, world would be different today for sure.

            The other important thing I want to say, I look at these events as historical events, not something good or bad. All of these were both good and bad. It was a different world.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Lie2Me,

            obviously, Soviets did it best. This year, it took a South African to send an American astronaut into space from American soil for the first time in 10 years. And the way he did this, is by using an old Soviet strategy – rocket with people only and no cargo. And US military satellites are still deployed using 1960s soviet rocket engine. This is the answer to your foolish statements.

          • 0 avatar
            tomLU86

            Putin is what Trump could have been–some one who has taken care of himself and his friends, AND–and this is important–restored Russians’ pride in their country and done pretty well for the average Boris or Andrei.

            Russia refuses to kowtow to the dollar-denominated world area–THIS is their big sin. Everything else is a big subterfuge.

            There are no friends in foreign affairs–only interests. Where they coincide, friendship can blossom.

            The US and Russia had, and have, several common interests that are of interest to ordinary Americans and Russians.

            Unfortunately, these don’t serve the interests of the US military-industrial complex, or Wall Street.

            So Russia is vilified. Americans conveniently forget how the US govt meddles…from the Shah in 1953, to the Ukraine to Latin America to the Philipines, where the Obama adminstration essentially toppled a govt to put one ‘friendly’ to the US.

            When the USSR was a world power, American abuses could be shrugged off as the (much) lesser of the evils. The dictators, Vietnam, friends like the Shah’s Iran and Turkey, we needed them.

            But that ended a generation ago, didn’t it? And apparently we can coexist with China without proxy wars. That doesn’t work for many of the US elite though…

            So we found a new cause–“democracy for all”.
            Preferably with debt, so big money can profit.
            For what? The Ukraine is next to Russia. How would the US feel if China put a ‘pro-Chinese’ govt, under the guise of cleaning up a highly corrupt narco-state on our southern border?

            I’ve read that Russian security agencies tried to tip off the US as to the young Chechens who moved to Boston–and blew up the marathon. They were ignored.

            So, since America has not just shunned a country that retains a lot of nukes, but tried to economically screw it, the Russians have gotten closer to China. Yes, Russian aerospace and submarine know-how with Chinese industrial capacity.

            Good job!

            Putin doesn’t have the best hand, but he plays it brilliantly. Our Presidents, each generally worse than their predecessors, do not.

            Are they that dumb? NO, they simply serve their masters. This is why they hate Trump–he does not serve the elite as politely. And it’s true–he is his own kleptocrat, vs the kleptocracy of Wall St and the military-industrial complex–that Eisehnower presciently warned us about.

            In the meantime, the US infrastructure crumbles, and the embers of ‘social conflict’ are back on fire, in the middle of a pandemic which has been politicized by both sides.

            I hope y’all enjoyed your day off–and yes, as others have noted, it should be a national holiday in the US, even if falls close to July 4.

        • 0 avatar
          Art Vandelay

          Dude, if you scroll up you were arguing that the KGB did some good things. That’s like “Mussolini was a bastard, but he did get the trains to run on time” x1000.

          Nobody is buying your crap…the Soviet Union was a blight on this planet.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            Art, I think the Russian history books might have a slightly different spin on real history

            Remember that time Russia landed on the moon? Yeah, me either :)

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Art,

            your views are delusional. The best thing that happen to US is the existence of USSR. With USSR gone, all regular American things, like privacy, and general freedom are also evaporating. You simply know only one role of KGB but who protected the state? Who performed foreign operations? Who stopped traitors from leaking technology to foreign states? CIA did bad things in America also.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Art,

            The post above yours is a darn good assessment of events. Thank you tomLU86.

            “Russian security agencies tried to tip off the US” – they did and FBI interviewed future terrorists.

            As one Ukrainian journalist put it – “the question of the Second Amendment is settled. American authorities can not protect its cities and their citizens”. Well, I said it long before. All these 3-letter agencies have all the needed information and do nothing. This is probably just another American tradition since Pearl Harbor.

        • 0 avatar
          ToolGuy

          For the record:
          . First intercontinental ballistic missile: USSR
          . First satellite: USSR
          . First animal in Earth orbit: USSR
          . First human in space and Earth orbit: USSR
          . First woman in space and Earth orbit: USSR
          . First spacewalk: USSR
          . First Moon impact: USSR
          . First image of the far side of the Moon: USSR
          . First uncrewed lunar soft landing: USSR
          . First space rover: USSR
          . First sample of lunar soil automatically extracted and brought to Earth: USSR
          . First space station: USSR

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            It’s not who does it first, it’s who does it best :)

          • 0 avatar
            Dan

            All of the Soviet early success in the space race was incidental to their ballistic missile program which, having no friends in our hemisphere, drew full investment as their only viable option to vaporize Americans.

            We were a decade behind not as any kind of credit to communist science but because we were A) building more consumer goods than weapons and B) what weapons we did buy were bombers instead. At the time they deployed the first of an eventual total of five R-7A pads, later famous for launching a peasant into orbit, we had 2,000 B-47s that were already on the way to retirement and 500 B-52s already delivered.

          • 0 avatar
            slavuta

            Few points about current Space Affairs.

            1. Launch of the Dragon is placing US in a huge lead in total space race (if we still have one). US now equals Russia in human travel but way ahead in deep and interplanetary space
            2. China and India are also way ahead of Russia in deep and interplanetary space, but way behind on human.
            3. Boeing is still spinning wheels with their Starliner so no Dragon backup in sight. Third contender is totally dropped from human travel but still working on cargo delivery development.
            4. Dragon is still in the testing mode. Only their third flight will be fully operational.
            5. Russians started development of a new system, “Federation/Eagle”. This should be multi-purpose, used for human travel and travel to the moon. And it had reusable components. But they don’t really push for it. Because their current system is cheap, proven and can be produced in numbers. And it carries only 1 person less vs NASA Dragon X (Dragon can have up to 7)
            6. NASA and Russia will trade seats from now on but NASA already bought at least 1 one more $90M flight in Soyuz.
            7. Even with reusable stuff, Dragon launch still costs way more than Soyuz, so it gives independence and it is probably cheaper than paying $90M to Russia. Although, I heard, Russia offers discount now, since Dragon flight.
            8. China builds its own space station. Sadly for them, name “Dragon” was taken already.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Let me answer this to you here because above there is no direct reply to you

      you said (shortly):

      1: When Ukraine had the gall to want to exercise some self determination and join NATO you guys threw a tantrum

      – “you guys”. what???? I am not russian, so Russians did… Ukraine was already self determined country and I was proud of their ways of transfer of power. They pushed self-destroy button with American finger. And I can provide all necessary fingerprint for you. Being realist, Russia will not allow NATO in Ukraine just like US wouldn’t allow Russian missiles in Cuba or Venezuela. Besides, please make a distinction, who wants NATO, current powers in Ukraine or the people. There are 20 millions of people who live on the left side of Dniepro river who don’t want even smell of NATO.

      2: The government asked us to participate in some exercises. I mean actually asked…not like the government in Kabul asked you guys to help out in Afghanistan.

      – WRONG again. Well, yea. Exercises. But there were also US volunteers who fought in the conflict and American flags been seen on the frontlines. But wrong about Kabul. Kabul sent over 20 requests for Soviet military involvement and was denied until Soviet intelligence had not detected increased American activities in Pakistan. Soviet leadership was spoofed to believe that Americans will enter Afghanistan via Pakistan and did not want to have it at its borders. All this was in the context that president Amin at that time was not trusted. And requests cam from the his party, not Amin himself. Amin himself was a “little Stalin”. He was doing purges of people by thousands and Soviets were getting sick of him. So they sent a special force into his palace and… Actually even NY times had something like this but also without full context or truth. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/29/us/politics/afghanistan-trump-soviet-union.html

      3: Again, “you”. I am here in America. I am just not going to defend Ukraine where they don’t deserve it. Should of let Crimea go their way in 1989, 1992 and 1994. And shouldn’t overthrow a president widely supported by a large chunk of population, especially with US involved.

      “One democracy helping another…” – this is where your western naivete is at full display. US gov wanted to pull Ukraine from the Russian sphere all along. And they thought, THIS is the moment. But they miscalculated Ukraine with its corruption. Ukrainian oligarchs used US for internal mafia war. Properties and bank accounts changed hands. Ukraine was at war but new president was doing fine business in Russia and enriched himself. He promised to stop the conflict (started by unelected “president” btw.) but in reality why stop? Hes corporation owns a factory where they repair tanks and other equipment. So, he as president, signs a contract with his own factory to fix tanks. And more of them get knocked down more American money he can pay himself for fixing them at x3 more than it is usually takes to fix a tank. You make me laugh. Seriously. You can say anything you want. But you can’t change reality. Ok?

  • avatar
    Jeff S

    @Arthur Dailey–If you haven’t already seen it go on Jay Leno’s Garage where he has a video on his Merlin engine going over the history of the Merlin and running his own Merlin engine which is not in a car or airplane. A really nice engine with lots of power.

  • avatar
    HotPotato

    “And KGB wasn’t only bad” you say? I can’t imagine anyone saying this unless they’re trying to live with having been a collaborator or informer for them, slavuta. Maybe it is better you just leave this topic alone.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Everybody sees KGB as tool of oppression. But this wasn’t their main task. Their main task was to protect and collect information. At least they did not dirty their hands like CIA.

      • 0 avatar
        Lie2me

        Go home you fool ^^

      • 0 avatar

        KGB was a wonderful organization. I got a call from KGB agent once to meet in empty hotel room. I met him to find out what is the issue. He told me that he wants to hire me to “collect information” about my coworkers. I told him that I am too busy so thank you but no. It was the time when Soviet Union was already crumbling down and I just graduated from college and was thinking about immigrating to USA so I did not care.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          My Grand-grand father was an “enemy of the people”. Well, he screwed up something in 1930s. This was the kind or era. I had same meeting with someone from a similar organization from Wash.D.C. Under Brezhnev if you have not done bad things, they wouldn’t come for you. Another problem of course, if you want to read a banned book, you get on their radar. I was totally disturbed by this. Ok. Still, I’ve read hundreds of banned books and listened banned radio stations daily. And I never had a glitch. I had reliable sources.
          You said it yourself – thanks, no. And they were gone. But, they would usually come to you if you had some skeleton in closet. And they would ask you to cooperate in exchange for keeping your skeletons well hidden. Question is, what did you know??

  • avatar
    teddyc73

    Ridiculous pandering. They STILL won’t be happy.

  • avatar
    dukeisduke

    Years ago, I worked with an African-American woman (like me, a native Texan) that refused to celebrate Juneteenth. She thought it was stupid that people would celebrate the fact that they didn’t find out they’d been freed until two years after the Emancipation Proclamation, and two months the Civil War had ended.

    Juneteetnth has been a thing here in Texas for a long time, and it’s just started to become a thing elsewhere in the last few years.

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