By on May 11, 2020

Spending the last three months chronicling every every single cancellation related to the coronavirus hasn’t been any more enjoyable than reading about it. And, while we apologize for putting you though that, there honestly isn’t much else to report on when every manufacturer on the planet suddenly enters into a panicked lockdown. Thankfully, we seem to be nearing the end of being forced to issue updates on the latest cancelled soirée you had your hopes set on attending.

Despite automotive trade shows being canceled in Detroit, Geneva, and Paris this year, the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) show scheduled for November is still on. We may also see the New York Auto Show, which was rescheduled, take place in August — assuming the Javits Center remains underutilized for COVID patients through the summer and NYC doesn’t see a sudden spike in infection rates. However, SEMA is the first major event that seems like a sure thing in the automotive realm and, boy, are we glad to hear it. 

“While many near-term industry events have been postponed or canceled, the industry’s manufacturers are currently going full-bore with plans and preparations for both the 2020 SEMA Show in November and the PRI Show in December,” SEMA president Chris Kersting said late last week.

“I’m not surprised. Our industry has historically demonstrated fortitude and resolve in the face of adversity. The SEMA Show was the first major business gathering in the U.S. following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. In the heart of the Great Recession in 2009 and 2010, SEMA exhibitors and buyers again turned out in force, laying the groundwork for the recovery that followed. Currently, we see that the vast majority of member companies are planning to exhibit this year, and some 2,000 plus are expected to take part in this month’s booth selection process. They are determined that the SEMA Show will help launch the industry into a successful 2021.”

Kersting said there will be conditions, however. SEMA plans on making a few changes, noting that the whole of the automotive industry will need to “find ways to do business while providing for the health, safety and well-being of all involved.” SEMA also launched a resource website to help the aftermarket community apply for the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) and small business loans or parse through updated health guidelines for businesses. Additionally, Kersting said the event would provide refundable deposits and deferred deadlines for vendors to make participation easier to commit to (and back out of).

None of that guarantees SEMA for 2020, but we at least now know the organization is pushing through with plans to actually have the event, which is the most we’ve been able to say about any major trade show since the year began. Due to its Las Vegas locale, there’s reason to hold out hope. Despite Nevada Governor Steve Sisolak (D) suggesting extending lockdowns through at least June, Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman has said the measures are effectively hurting the city’s ability to exist — calling them totally insane.

“This shutdown has become one of total insanity in my opinion, for there is no backup of data as to why we are shut down from the start,” Goodman said during a City Council meeting from mid-April. A self-described independent, she has criticized any whiff of coronavirus-related partisanship and said that all she cares about it is solving the economic crisis while addressing health risks.

“We cannot keep our heads in the sand and think it’s going to go away,” she said in the same meeting. “We’re adults with brains who can know what to do to wash our hands, to take all precautions not to spread this disease.”

Goodman has since offered to make Las Vegas a control group. While framed as irresponsible by some, many argued that the city’s heavy reliance on tourism makes it the best candidate for the job — as it has the most to lose under lockdown mandates. Meanwhile, detractors claim it’d be ground zero for a viral resurgence, helping spread the illness across the country as crowds of people travel in and out of the area on vacation.

We’re of the mind that winds have already begun shifting. Even though the automotive industry doesn’t like to issue messaging that might upset large swaths of the country (unless it pertains to layoffs), it’s preparing to resume operation as closely to normal as can be managed. Increasingly large protests are taking place in which U.S. citizens are demanding the right to return to work. Even though the coronavirus will still be around come November, we don’t think the current ultra-protective mindset will be joining — unless a major incident occurs between then and now.

[Images: SEMA]

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46 Comments on “The (SEMA) Show Must Go On...”


  • avatar
    SCE to AUX

    November seems like 2 years from now.

    Some schools are non-committal about resuming in-person classes in the fall. Sporting events are in similar limbo. If you can’t get people to gather for those staples, events like SEMA won’t happen.

  • avatar
    thelaine

    Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman has said the measures are effectively hurting the city’s ability to exist — calling them totally insane.

    “This shutdown has become one of total insanity in my opinion, for there is no backup of data as to why we are shut down from the start,” Goodman said during a City Council meeting from mid-April. A self-described independent, she has criticized any whiff of coronavirus-related partisanship and said that all she cares about it is solving the economic crisis while addressing health risks.

    “We cannot keep our heads in the sand and think it’s going to go away,” she said in the same meeting. “We’re adults with brains who can know what to do to wash our hands, to take all precautions not to spread this disease.”

    Wow. Too right, Mayor Goodman. Nailed it. A little common sense goes a long way.

    We have been contending with viral pandemics for our entire history. What makes this one so unique that we have to destroy our economy in order to fight it? In a weak economy, your problems multiply and your ability to address them is greatly reduced. You should NEVER deliberately destroy your economy. It is insanity.

    • 0 avatar
      FreedMike

      “It is insanity”

      So is tilting your silly windmill. It’s time for you to adopt a hobby. I’d suggest collecting stamps.

      • 0 avatar
        thelaine

        Americans who are getting laid off while the U.S. economy continues to tank during the coronavirus pandemic might not have a job to come back to when the economy fully reopens, according to a new study.

        An estimated 42% of coronavirus job losses might prove to be permanent, the National Bureau of Economic Research warned in a paper released this week. “We find three new hires for every 10 layoffs caused by the shock and estimate that 42 percent of recent layoffs will result in permanent job loss,” the authors maintain.

        https://www.nber.org/papers/w27137

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          Americans who are dying due to the outbreak will have nothing to come back to when the economy fully returns, according to a new study.

          “If you’re dead, you can’t get a job,” said study author Joe Obvious.

          https://thelaine.needs.a.freakin.hobby.com/please-start-today

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            A recent study in The Lancet concluded that “the evidence for the effectiveness of school closures and other school social distancing measures comes almost entirely from influenza outbreaks,” and that the effectiveness of school measures in a coronavirus outbreak is uncertain. Another article in The Lancet noted that “education is one of the strongest predictors of the health and the wealth of a country’s future workers, and the impact of long-term school closure on educational outcomes, future earnings, the health of young people, and future national productivity has not been quantified.”

            The general point is that minimizing the number of COVID-19 deaths today or a month from now or six months from now may or may not minimize the human costs of the pandemic when the full spectrum of human consequences is considered.

            The warnings of shutdown skeptics warrant careful study, not stigma rooted in the false pretense that they don’t have any plausible concerns or value human life.

            https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/take-shutdown-skeptics-seriously/611419/

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            A new study in the Lancet found that students and teachers who die of coronavirus aren’t coming back to school anytime soon.

            “Kind of hard to show up to school when you’re deceased,” said Dr. Leslie Smith, director of Lancet’s deep thought division. “Unless, of course, ‘Pet Sematary’ proves to be a real thing, but would you really want anyone back who’s been there? Undead ghouls might have a hard time with things like long division.”

            http://its.time.for.a.hobby.thelaine/enough.already

      • 0 avatar
        thelaine

        In New York City, an antibody survey found that 21% of the city’s population had been infected with the coronavirus. This indicates that over one and a half million of New York City’s 7.2 million residents under the age of 65 had been infected. Furthermore, approximately 78% of them had no underlying medical condition that puts them at risk from coronavirus. Around the time of the antibody survey, New York City had recorded only 58 deaths of people under 65 with no underlying condition.

        In the U.S., 79% of coronavirus deaths are people 65 and older. In the 23 states releasing long-term care facilities data, 27% of deaths have occurred in such places. The Washington Post reports the share of fatalities in nursing homes may be 50%. In Colorado, the share is 50%.

        Yet our reaction isn’t to protect the elderly and those with underlying conditions. No, instead we decide to force over 214 million people under 65 with no underlying condition who are under virtually no threat from coronavirus to restrict their activities, socially distance from each other, and go into lockdown.

        Instead of targeting the vulnerable population for assistance and infection avoidance, we shut down our economy. Many of the vulnerable are elderly and out of the workforce, yet we target the workforce and push 33 million people out of their jobs. We destroy countless small businesses, risk food shortages due to the supply disruption, drive oil prices so low that it could devastate thousands of Coloradans and cause political instability and international conflicts to rise, scare people who need medical attention away from emergency room visits, and cause domestic violence to rise.

        https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2020/05/10/dierenbach-is-it-time-for-a-new-approach-to-coronavirus/

        • 0 avatar
          bobbysirhan

          It’s almost like all the people who’ve been wrong about Obama, Trump, Schiff and Comey all these years are relieved to have something new to be wrong about. The left is going to great lengths to deny people the treatments that work the best in order to maximize the harm of their creation. They’re killing people in assisted living facilities to drive the numbers to justify their power grab. Why would anyone want a piece of the responsibility for that?

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            “The left” is killing old folks for political gain. Got it.

            You and thelaine need to party together. The only question is what psychotropic substances you should take. I suggest Red Bull and magic mushrooms.

        • 0 avatar
          FreedMike

          A study released today by the nonprofit economic think tank Institute for Really Obvious Studies indicates that contrary to the numerous claims to the contrary, the economy of the United States is not shut down.

          “Some people are bandying about this ‘shut down’ nonsense,” said Dr. Edmund Obvious, head of research for the institute. “I disproved that by going to my grocery store, picking up a gallon of milk, and using money to pay for it. It took approximately five minutes.”

          Dr. Obvious continued, “Has the economy slowed? Absolutely. But if it were really shut down, the only way I’d be able to get a gallon of milk would be to somehow procure a cow and milk it myself.”

          http//www.get.a.clue.and.stop.being.hysterical.thelaine/take.a.zoloft

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            30 million unemployed due to government mandated shutdowns.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            A groundbreaking study by the nonpartisan think tank Common Sense Economics has found that unemployment is not necessarily a permanent condition.

            “We’ve found that people who lose their jobs through things like layoffs end up re-employed,” said Dan Obvious, director of research. “It’s almost like they need money to survive or something.”

            Obvious continued, “given that most of the 30 million folks who are out of work were in service industries, or places where you work in close proximity with each other, which places you at higher risk for getting COVID-19, you have to wonder how many of them would have died instead of just being out of a job for a while.”

            Obvious then continued, “one wonders why the same political groups who are so adamant about re-opening the country are the same ones who would vote down the social safety net programs that would really help these 30 million folks who got tossed out of work. Perhaps they’ll have a change of heart.”

            http://obvious.stuff.that.anyone.with.a.lick.of.common.sense.figured.out.years.ago/giveitabreakthelaine

        • 0 avatar
          mcs

          @theIrainian: “4 million people under 65 with no underlying condition ”

          Social distancing works. It’s well-proven. Countries that are trying to undo the lockdown like Korea are discovering how effective it is.

          ” an antibody survey found that 21% of the city’s population had been infected with the coronavirus. ”

          No it didn’t. They haven’t tested 100% of the population. Having the anti-bodies doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t catch it again. That hasn’t been proven.

          Underlying conditions that COVID-19 attacks are fairly common among the general population, so the lockdown is a good idea.

          Just spent some time this morning working on immunity/COVID-19 research (with a major medical school). We’re going to be looking at factors that include exercise levels and weight/obesity.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            University of East Anglia study:

            “Widespread closure of all non-essential businesses and stay-at-home policies do not appear to have had a significant effect on the number of Covid-19 cases across Europe.”

            Meanwhile, Swedish researcher Dr Johan Giesecke has blasted Britain’s lockdown as “futile”.

            The epidemiologist, who advises the World Health Organisation, said the UK’s death toll suggested imposing social restriction measures is not the best method of tackling the pandemic.

            Sweden has not forced a lockdown, keeping open many schools, restaurants and businesses while the UK went into a complete shutdown on March 23.

            Yet the most recent figures show that more than 10 times as many Brits have died of Covid-19 than in Sweden where there has been fewer 3,000 fatalities.

            Referring to the high coronavirus death toll across UK care homes, he said: “A hard lockdown does not protect old and frail people living in care homes – a population the lockdown was designed to protect”.

            He added: “Neither does it decrease mortality from Covid-19, which is evident when comparing the UK’s experience with that of other European countries”.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) is right. On Tuesday, he noted that “we didn’t set out to keep quarantines in place until we found a safe and effective vaccine. That would take too long… We are too often presented with a false dichotomy — either saving our economy or saving lives… We’ve seen the goalposts around flattening the curve move, and I think that’s unfortunate, because… businesses have collapsed, mental and physical health have declined, depths of despair escalate, educational outcomes nosedive, as we wait in our living rooms praying for some good news around therapies and around vaccines.” Of course, Scott is not the only one who has noted the damage caused by the shutdown; small business owners across the country have been warning of the impacts of the shutdown for weeks and urging policymakers to reopen the economy, with more than 30 million jobs lost and counting. Every day that the economy is shut down, more damage is done to mental health, to personal finances, and to small businesses barely hanging on — not to mention the fiscal situation of all levels of government. Given the precarious finances of many governments, they cannot afford to allow their citizens to be ground down into poverty, which would make it impossible for them to pay their taxes.

      • 0 avatar
        thelaine

        Testing and asymptomatic results

        Diamond Princess cruise ship: A new study from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine shows that 72% of those infected aboard the Diamond Princess were asymptomatic. Previously, the estimated percentage of asymptomatic individuals onboard was 46.5.

        USS Theodore Roosevelt: Of the 1,102 confirmed positive cases of COVID-19 onboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, 60% were asymptomatic. Only seven were hospitalized, and one person died.

        Charles de Gaulle: 1,046 sailors out of 1,760 on board the French aircraft carrier tested positive for the virus. There were zero deaths, and two remain hospitalized. According to the NYT, about half were asymptomatic.

        Prisons: Prisons seem to have an especially high rate of asymptomatic cases. According to Reuters, a tally of 3,277 inmates in state prison systems in Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia who had tested positive for the virus showed that 96% of those who tested positive were asymptomatic. 1,300 tested positive in one Tennessee prison: 98% were asymptomatic, six were hospitalized and one died. An entire female prison in St. Gabriel, Louisiana, was tested, and 85% were positive, but three-quarters were asymptomatic.

        Pregnant women in labor: A groups of doctors at the New York–Presbyterian Allen Hospital and Columbia University Irving Medical Center tested 215 women delivering babies between March 22 and April 4, 2020. This is a good random sample, because they were not tested based on symptoms. The result: 33 tested positive, and 29 of those were initially asymptomatic. Three of the initial 29 asymptomatic patients eventually developed symptoms of the virus, which would mean that in total, 79% were asymptomatic.

        Meatpacking plants: 412 out of 2,367 workers at Triumph Foods plant in St. Joseph, Missouri, tested positive. All of them were asymptomatic, and there have been zero deaths among those workers so far.
        Homeless population: A Boston homeless shelter tested the 408 residents and found that 36% tested positive, of which 87.8% were asymptomatic.

        Nursing homes: Even in nursing homes, with a sick and elderly population that is more susceptible to fatal cases of COVID-19, many of them are still asymptomatic. A survey published in the New England Journal of Medicine at an anonymous nursing home found that more than half with positive results were asymptomatic. In another nursing home in Washington state, 56% of those who tested positive were asymptomatic. One nursing home in Miami County, Ohio, tested every resident last week, and so far all of those who tested positive are still asymptomatic.

        Initially, the “experts” used the fear of asymptomatic transmission as a means of pushing for universal lockdown. But that only makes sense if the number of asymptomatic are a minority and we are at the beginning of the transmission phase, in which such lockdown could work. Now we see the opposite is true. The overwhelming majority of those infected are asymptomatic, which grows to an absolute super-majority when you factor in the mildly symptomatic. The fatality rate is therefore very small and very confined to a known population. Thus, it makes no sense to lock down younger and healthier people who overwhelmingly don’t get seriously ill, much less deathly ill, even if they contract the virus.

        Moreover, the fact that this has spread so far and wide and most are asymptomatic demonstrates that there is no longer any “spread” to stop and we were months too late in trying to stop it even if we wanted to.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    In New York City, an antibody survey found that 100% of the city residents who died of coronavirus had actually been infected with the coronavirus.

    “It conclusively shows that everyone who died of coronavirus had the virus,” said Kathleen Jones, head of research at Cadillac Ranch University, a leading institution in the burgeoning field of confirming the painfully obvious.

    http://its.getting.old.thelaine.stop.already/enough

    • 0 avatar
      thelaine

      In the beginning, the logic behind locking down was sound. Coronavirus is a highly transmissible disease with a significant number of carriers who are asymptomatic and contagious at the same time. The experts said if the virus remained unchecked, it would produce a surge of victims that would overwhelm our healthcare system and result in excess deaths due to lack of care for both coronavirus sufferers and others needing medical attention. News from China and Italy confirmed this possibility.

      But “flatten the curve” morphed into “hide until solution;” the solution being a possible vaccine or effective treatment at some undeterminable point in the future. States that never saw a surge went into lockdown and remain there today. New York City, which is well past their peak medical usage, remains on lockdown. Many states that are ostensibly opening up are doing so at an extremely slow pace. Colorado, which is supposedly opening up (but not really), is attempting to keep the coronavirus cases at a level that is so low, herd immunity might not be reached for years.

      https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2020/05/10/dierenbach-is-it-time-for-a-new-approach-to-coronavirus/

      • 0 avatar
        FreedMike

        Breaking news: most states are no longer under lockdown.

        More breaking news: you can shop, get restaurant food, work, and drive in the state of Colorado. Nobody is “locked down.”

        In related news, another groundbreaking study found that beating a dead horse does not bring it back to life.

        http//get.your.attention.elsewhere.please

        • 0 avatar
          thelaine

          This difference in effects of coronavirus between people under 65 with no underlying conditions and those with underlying conditions and/or over 65 should be the primary driver of policy.

          Extrapolating the New York City data, if the 214 million plus healthy U.S. citizens under 65 all contracted coronavirus, they would suffer around 10,000 deaths. Two thirds of our population would have immunity and we would be well on our way to herd immunity.

          https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2020/05/10/dierenbach-is-it-time-for-a-new-approach-to-coronavirus/

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            A new study from the renowned University of Northern New Hampshire has reached a startling conclusion: people over 65 are a critical component of the economy, and a mass die-off in this demographic would have catastrophic economic consequences.

            “In this country, the concentration of wealth in people age 65 and over is unquestionable,” said Harry Expert, professor of Common Sense Economics at the university. “They are, as they say in the common vernacular, the loaded ones. Losing a disproportionate number of these folks would put a major, permanent hit on the economy. If that means we have to do social distancing to save them, then so be it.”

            Meanwhile, yet another groundbreaking study from the University of South Alabama Common Sense Medical School shows that since the bulk of elderly coronavirus patients need hospitalization, social distancing is the only way to preserve enough hospital resources to treat everyone.

            “If our beds are all taken up by elderly people who desperately need medical intervention during this crisis, then how do we treat the younger people who come down with this,” said Dr. Erica Obvious, professor of medicine. “Since we know a disproportionate number of patients will be elderly, and will require more intensive treatment, the key is to keep as many out of the hospital as you can. Social distancing is the only way to do that. Otherwise, you’ll have younger people giving older people this virus, and that means the same younger people won’t be able to receive proper treatment if they need it.”

            “That, or we just do what the Eskimos did and send the old folks off to die,” continued Dr. Obvious.

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            Europe’s best-selling newspaper announced this weekend the lockdown in response to the Chinese coronavirus pandemic was a “huge mistake,” citing a number of public intellectuals critical of the country’s official response.

            Reproducing comments from seven well-known intellectuals, Bild underscores the importance of “warning, doubting, and arguing” in the case of a public crisis that involves the suppression of the fundamental rights of citizens.

            In presenting the opinions of highly esteemed “lateral thinkers,” the newspaper notes Germany’s political leaders, on the contrary, “pushed the recommendations of other luminaries to justify the lockdown of the economy and public life, as well as the severe interference with everyone’s freedoms,” while ignoring contrary voices.

            Prof. Klaus Püschel, for instance, a respected pathologist and head of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at Hamburg University Hospital, argues that “in the end, COVID-19 is a viral disease like the flu, which in most cases is harmless and is only fatal in exceptional cases.

            “It is important to look at the aftermath of the epidemic to see if COVID-19 really was the cause of death,” Püschel observes. “Of the approximately 180 deceased with coronavirus that we have now examined, all suffered from severe pre-existing conditions and were not children or adolescents. The COVID-19 infection was the straw that broke the camel’s back.”

            University of Hanover Professor Stefan Homburg, a former adviser to the federal government, agrees official figures in Germany in no way justified the lockdown.

            “In Italy, the coronavirus epidemic was worse than a flu epidemic, in Germany it was less severe,” Homburg said. “With the lockdown, the federal and state governments have made a huge mistake.”

            “The damage is increasing every day, all bans must be lifted immediately,” he continued. “Empty soccer stadiums and half-empty restaurants are of no use to anyone.”

            For his part, Professor Hans-Jürgen Papier, former president of the Federal Constitutional Court, said the debate was too short and state interventions went too far.

            “The balance was between the protection of life and health on the one hand and the protection of constitutional goods on the other,” he said. In principle, “there should have been a broader and more detailed parliamentary and public debate. To this end, the legal goods to be weighed up were too important and the consequences and interventions too great.”

            Julian Nida-Rümelin, Germany’s former Minister of Culture, said statistics without contextualization create fear and panic but do not promote a rational debate.

            “With COVID-19, new, huge numbers appear every day, which make us frightened and perplexed,” he said. “These figures must be understood by asking: how many people die every day in Germany in total? How many have heart attacks? How many from cancer? How many from COVID-19? Little is being done to this effect.”

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            Breaking news: a new study by the Burpleson Group found that people who beat the “media bias” drum 24/7 somehow drop it when the media says something they agree with.

            “It’s almost as if some people can’t handle seeing stuff that’s true that they don’t agree with in the papers,” said Harry Commonsense, the director of the Burpleson Group.

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            FreedMike, I certainly appreciate what you’ve done here, but you know you can’t fix stup…

            https://theloon/dumb.as.a.box.of.rocks/

          • 0 avatar
            thelaine

            According to the U.N. report: “Economic hardship experienced by families as a result of the global economic downturn could result in hundreds of thousands of additional child deaths in 2020, reversing the last 2 to 3 years of progress in reducing infant mortality within a single year.”

            Further, it said, “… this alarming figure does not even take into account services disrupted due to the crisis – it only reflects the current relationship between economies and mortality, so is likely an under-estimate of the impact.”

            Laurence Chandy, lead author of the report and the director of UNICEF’s Office of Global Insight Policy, told Voice of America’s VOA publication, “The unprecedented simultaneous closure of schools across the world is affecting alone 1½ billion children,” or “almost all children in the world.” He added, “The report also mentions the more than 360 million children across 143 countries who rely on school meals.” Therefore, children are no longer getting what for many are their only meals of the day.

          • 0 avatar
            FreedMike

            @Lie2me: He’s not stupid. He’s an attention prostitute.

            Proof?

            He wasn’t around for days. Then I started mocking him and – voila! – now he’s Major Poster #1.

            He’s after attention and affirmation.

        • 0 avatar
          thelaine

          The United Nations has warned that the economic devastation from the Chinese coronavirus pandemic may well kill more people than the disease, the Los Angeles Times detailed in a report on Monday.

          One of the most shocking projections cited was made by David Beasley, the executive director of the U.N.’s World Food Program, who recently cautioned that the world is “not only facing a global health pandemic but also a global humanitarian catastrophe.” He added that this crisis could force as many as 420 million people into extreme poverty, defined as earning less than two dollars a day.

          “Lockdowns and economic recession are expected to lead to a major loss of income among the working poor,” he said last month. “In a worst-case scenario, we could be looking at famine in about three dozen countries, and in fact, in ten of these countries, we already have more than one million people per country who are on the verge of starvation. In many places, human suffering is the heavy price of conflict.”

          • 0 avatar
            Lie2me

            “Putin announces end to coronavirus lockdown as Russia posts record-high number of new cases”

            https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-announces-end-coronavirus-lockdown-151228266.html

        • 0 avatar
          thelaine

          Over half of all documented coronavirus deaths have occurred in just five states, following the trend seen in other nations that show heavily concentrated and very localize outbreaks.

          Of the nearly 80,000 deaths from the virus in this country as of Saturday afternoon, nearly 48,700, or about 60 percent, had occurred in New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

          New York remains the hardest-hit state of any in the country by far, having logged nearly 27,000 deaths as of Saturday afternoon. The next-hardest-hit state, New Jersey, had recorded over 9,100.

          Those numbers reflect a startling regionalism to the disease, which has brought much of the economic and social life of the United States to a grinding halt. New York and New Jersey also top the country’s list for number of deaths adjusted for population, while Massachusetts, Michigan and Pennsylvania also fall in the top ten.

          Those concentrated numbers are reflective of a virus that seems to strike noticeably heavier in some locations than others, a pattern that has borne out in numerous countries around the world.

  • avatar
    Ryannosaurus

    thelaine, I wanted to thank you for your well thought out (with linked sources) commentary on the ongoing “Shelter in place”. Although the subject sometimes drifts off the topic of automotive. Your logical response to arguments for further restrictions gives me hope.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    Wait! Wait! How will social distancing affect “gentleman’s clubs”? Opening Las Vegas could actually provide some real data. Las Vegas has a population of approximately 640,000 and 42 million visitors each year. A perfect place for social monitoring to be put in affect. To be fair; no social distancing or cleaning to make those who lean than way happy. Here’s some in-flight reading for the herd immunity crowd: https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/03/17/905244/what-is-herd-immunity-and-can-it-stop-the-coronavirus/ Yeah, MIT is pretty good at math.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    A select few on here are wringing their hands about those who are laid off. No, we are not locked down. Stores and restaurants are open. Just not all of them. Various police agencies are not recalling their auxiliary officers to write tickets/impound vehicles traveling about. I have a sneaky feeling the same people complaining about people being laid off are the same people who will proudly proclaim that people working 40 hours a week at minimum wage should “improve themselves” and do better. I also imagine the hand-wringers would have fits if they had to pay more for any service because an employer was able to provide paid sick leave to their employees. They constantly expose their hypocrisy by incessantly posting on here. Sorry your families don’t like you very much.

  • avatar
    el scotto

    Will we ever get to the point where Wal-Mart will employ geezers as greeters again? I imagine most of us would give dad/grandad money to stay home.

  • avatar
    thelaine

    The CDC specifically says the virus targets people 65 years and older, those who live in a nursing home or long-term care facilities, and those with underlying medical conditions — that as it happens are associated with aging. Add those with a body mass index of 40 or above, which means incredibly obese.

    Even British Professor Neil Ferguson testified “as many as half or two-thirds” of deaths labeled as COVID-19 may have occurred by the end of the year anyway “because this is affecting people either at the end of their lives or with poor health conditions.”

    Yes, that’s the same Neil Ferguson whose model of from around 1.1 – 2.2 million U.S. deaths probably had the single greatest effect on putting countries throughout the world into lockdowns. (And who was later caught violating the British lockdown with someone else’s wife.)

    Conversely, almost everywhere children’s schools are closed even as growing evidence shows that children are the least likely to become infected, to be symptomatic if infected, and to become spreaders.

    The only true risk to children is the hysteria and the very lockdowns the Orwellian trappings encourage. Indeed, according to a U.N. report, millions of children may die from the devastation we inflict on the world economy each day we refuse to acknowledge that we are not all equals and refuse to open up economies.

    The chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, Gita Gopinath, published an assessment of what she called “the Great Lockdown,” saying it will be “the worst recession since the Great Depression, and far worse than the global financial crisis” of 2007-2008.

    • 0 avatar
      mcs

      Thelaine: “The CDC specifically says the virus targets people 65 years ”

      They use the word “higher risk”. Not “target”. You use the word “target” to make it sound as though its safe to be under 65. It’s not. You also fail to mention that a BMI greater than 40 is 9% of the US population according to a recent study. Probably higher in some states. Really convenient to leave out that little fact. You also left out diabetes as one of the risk factors. Again, not exactly rare.

      Part of the reasons the schools are close isn’t necessarily due to kids susceptibility to the virus. There is a concern that they could be a conduit for the virus to spread to their parents.

      You’re just here spewing propaganda. Leaving out facts that don’t support your position. Posting links to make the info seem legit. I’m probably the only one here that is working with their States commission on reopening and I see right through your misinformation. So you’re wasting your time.

      The way to reopen is to take a rational approach to safety and not to enter fantasyland and pretend the virus only targets a small population. As I’ve told our commission, we also need to plan for future viruses and possible mutations. We don’t have to stay closed, but we have to be careful at the same time. There are steps we need to take that we should have taken years ago. I think this virus serves as a warning as to what could happen with a more serious natural or terrorist launched threat. We need to prepare.

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        thelaine

        UN propaganda re: dead children:

        Indeed, according to a U.N. report, millions of children may die from the devastation we inflict on the world economy each day we refuse to acknowledge that we are not all equals and refuse to open up economies.

        The chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, Gita Gopinath, published an assessment of what she called “the Great Lockdown,” saying it will be “the worst recession since the Great Depression, and far worse than the global financial crisis” of 2007-2008.

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          Lie2me

          “54% of participants in a new poll cited the Trump administration as a major source of misinformation on the coronavirus”

          https://www.businessinsider.com/54-say-trump-admin-source-of-coronavirus-misinformation-gallup-poll-2020-5

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        thelaine

        MCS, here is some fringe propaganda from Bild, Europe’s best selling newspaper (can’t wait for your rationalization):

        Europe’s best-selling newspaper announced this weekend the lockdown in response to the Chinese coronavirus pandemic was a “huge mistake,” citing a number of public intellectuals critical of the country’s official response.

        Reproducing comments from seven well-known intellectuals, Bild underscores the importance of “warning, doubting, and arguing” in the case of a public crisis that involves the suppression of the fundamental rights of citizens.

        In presenting the opinions of highly esteemed “lateral thinkers,” the newspaper notes Germany’s political leaders, on the contrary, “pushed the recommendations of other luminaries to justify the lockdown of the economy and public life, as well as the severe interference with everyone’s freedoms,” while ignoring contrary voices.

        Prof. Klaus Püschel, for instance, a respected pathologist and head of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at Hamburg University Hospital, argues that “in the end, COVID-19 is a viral disease like the flu, which in most cases is harmless and is only fatal in exceptional cases.

        “It is important to look at the aftermath of the epidemic to see if COVID-19 really was the cause of death,” Püschel observes. “Of the approximately 180 deceased with coronavirus that we have now examined, all suffered from severe pre-existing conditions and were not children or adolescents. The COVID-19 infection was the straw that broke the camel’s back.”

        University of Hanover Professor Stefan Homburg, a former adviser to the federal government, agrees official figures in Germany in no way justified the lockdown.

        “In Italy, the coronavirus epidemic was worse than a flu epidemic, in Germany it was less severe,” Homburg said. “With the lockdown, the federal and state governments have made a huge mistake.”

        “The damage is increasing every day, all bans must be lifted immediately,” he continued. “Empty soccer stadiums and half-empty restaurants are of no use to anyone.”

        For his part, Professor Hans-Jürgen Papier, former president of the Federal Constitutional Court, said the debate was too short and state interventions went too far.

        “The balance was between the protection of life and health on the one hand and the protection of constitutional goods on the other,” he said. In principle, “there should have been a broader and more detailed parliamentary and public debate. To this end, the legal goods to be weighed up were too important and the consequences and interventions too great.”

        Julian Nida-Rümelin, Germany’s former Minister of Culture, said statistics without contextualization create fear and panic but do not promote a rational debate.

        “With COVID-19, new, huge numbers appear every day, which make us frightened and perplexed,” he said. “These figures must be understood by asking: how many people die every day in Germany in total? How many have heart attacks? How many from cancer? How many from COVID-19? Little is being done to this effect.”

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          Lie2me

          “Fox News is telling its employees to work from home for at least another month while its TV hosts push for businesses to reopen”

          https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-telling-employees-home-143830262.html

      • 0 avatar
        thelaine

        The declared purpose of the lockdown was to mitigate what was projected to be a complete meltdown of available intensive care and hospital beds nationwide or in now common parlance “bend the curve.” At the height of the virus outbreak, the nation utilized less than 15% of available hospital beds and less than 20% of available intensive care beds for coronavirus patients. This curve has been bent for some time.

        Deaths from nursing and senior care facilities homes now account for more than 50% of total recorded fatalities since the beginning of the epidemic. In some states it is as high as 80%. Over the past three weeks nursing home related deaths account for nearly 70% of reported fatalities. As Daniel Horowitz at Conservative Review recently wrote:

        This revelation should change everything we know about the current state of affairs with coronavirus. Governors are still justifying the continued lockdown by pointing to rising deaths in many states and counties. But it now appears, using simple arithmetic, that in most states, the overwhelming majority of deaths are in nursing homes, and in some states and counties, nearly every new death is in a senior facility.

        The implication is that there is no excuse whatsoever not to open up the country and throw all our resources at protecting nursing homes.

        Numerous serology study results have been extrapolated to show when accounting for the true number of people who have gotten this virus, the infection fatality rate drops to 0.1% to 0.3% (about the same as the annual flu). A recent study at Truesdale Prison in Tennessee recorded that of 2,444 tests 1,299 were positive (53%) and 96% of those were asymptomatic (showing no symptoms). One inmate (67 years old) has died or a fatality rate of 0.07%.

        Accounting for the fact that the deaths are lopsided among the elderly and chronically ill, the fatality rate among the younger population approaches 0.03%.

        This virus will never disappear unless and until there is enough exposure to produce a collective immunity or an effective vaccine, available to everyone in the world, is produced. There is no scientific basis, centered on actual findings either in the United States or around the world, for continuing for weeks or months any full or partial shutdown of the general population on either the national, state or local level.

        The economic consequences are dire. All of us whether a tenured college professor and a grocery store clerk and a government bureaucrat and an over-the-road truck driver value and depend upon the economy to generate wealth.

        Hundreds of thousands of businesses are on the verge of bankruptcy and permanent closure. 33+ million are unemployed, many are forced against their will to be dependent on government largess and the federal government is creating massive unsustainable debt in an attempt to keep the nation afloat. A thriving economy, the kind we are now destroying, is the source of our security, the financing of our health care system and our children’s future. Without it this nation as we know it will cease to exist. While our leftist brothers may sneer at this reality, it should also be remembered that poverty kills as well. And when it does not kill, it maims, mentally, physically and socially.

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