By on March 16, 2018

In 2016, Volkswagen’s Wolfsburg factory fired an employee named Samir B. He had been working for the automaker for 8 years, mounting tires, but after the company said he began threatening co-workers and telling them of his pledge to join Islamist ISIS fighters in Syria, they had to let him go.

VW felt the threats were serious and worried he might stage a terror attack during a stockholders’ meeting at the company’s Wolfsburg headquarters. Now, a German court has ordered Volkswagen to reinstate him.

On the face of things, it seems VW had ample reason to be concerned about Samir B. In 2014, two of his known associates travelled to Syria to join ISIS, where they were later killed fighting to establish an Islamic caliphate, the Daily Mail reports. In December of that same year, Samir B. was stopped before boarding a flight for Istanbul, Turkey at the Hanover airport. He was carrying 9,350 Euros (roughly $11,500 USD) in cash and a drone. German authorities wouldn’t let him board the plane and confiscated his passport.

After threatening his co-workers at VW, saying they would “all die,” the company fired him. He sued for unlawful dismissal at the Hanover State Employment Court. In the company’s defense, VW’s attorneys told the court that it was proven that Samir B. “was involved in the recruitment and support of Islamic fighters from Wolfsburg,” giving the company no choice but to terminate him.

To avoid a judgment forcing them to put their employees at risk, VW offered a 65,000 Euro cash settlement, but Samir B.’s lawyers declined, according to Bild. While the court accepted Volkswagen’s contention that Samir B. had tried to join ISIS and threatened his co-workers, the judge ruled that VW had not proven that the “operational peace” of the factory had been “specifically disturbed.”

Volkswagen has a month to rehire him, but it’s likely the automaker will instead appeal the case to a higher court.

[Image: Wikimedia (CC BY 2.0 DE)]

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122 Comments on “ISIS on the Assembly Line: Volkswagen Ordered to Rehire Suspected Militant Who Threatened Co-workers...”


  • avatar
    IBx1

    Goodbye, germany.

  • avatar
    cicero1

    In case you are still wondering, its events like this that got Trump elected.

    • 0 avatar
      SCE to AUX

      Exactly right, although I do regret casting my vote for him.

      • 0 avatar
        jjster6

        Such an outcome does boggle the mind. Hard to know if all the “facts” in the story are correct though. It doesn’t seem reasonable that the court would make this decision with that set of facts. But I’ve also heard many other “news” stories on the internet where some basic searches have shown the facts to be completely misstated (try the fake news story where apparently Nancy Pelosi said she wanted to tax 401K’s at 100%).

        It may be fake news stories that inflaming people to vote for the Orange One.

        • 0 avatar
          Astigmatism

          The fact that a google search of the matter pulls up the Daily Mail, RT, Breitbart, PJMedia and JihadWatch as the first set of links suggests that this may not be the full story.

          • 0 avatar
            W.Minter

            In fact, it’s the full story. Germany has a very employee-friendly jurisdiction, and special courts for work-related stuff. The judge’s opinion is, that all illegal ideas of the worker are his private and personal opinion and did not affect the quality of his work or the work environment. A higher court may decide differently.

            This is the original press release from the court (Google translate does a decent job translating it).
            https://www.landesarbeitsgericht.niedersachsen.de/aktuelles/presseinformationen/fristlose-kuendigung-wegen-des-verdachtes-der-zugehoerigkeit-zur-salafistischen-szene-162632.html

          • 0 avatar

            Does it ever concern you when the establishment media puts a cone of silence around a topic or do you just think they’re ignoring a story for your own good? Is your real name Winston Smith?

            Clever of you to include Russian Times in there. Are you saying that I’m guilty of collusion with the Russians for writing this story (which also linked to Bild, the 8th largest newspaper in the world)?

            It’s cute that you included PJMedia as I know Roger Simon and have worked for PJMedia. In fact, Roger, who knows a think or two about writing, having been both a successful author and Oscar nominated screenwriter, was the first person to ask me to write about cars professionally, even before Robert Farago started paying me to contribute here.

            I also sort of knew Andrew Breitbart. We spoke on the phone a couple of times. He was a warm, man with a great love for other people and this country. He was whip smart and funnier than plenty of comedians who mouth PC tropes and fear offending the elect. The company he founded is not the same as it was when he was alive but then to many self-identified progressives, anyone to the right of anyone is evil (CF: Bret Weinstein and Bari Weiss).

          • 0 avatar
            dal20402

            Ronnie, I disagreed with pretty much every opinion of Andrew Breitbart’s, but he had a clear and laudable vision for what he was doing. Breitbart as it exists today is 180 degrees from that vision and is nothing more than an expressly racist cesspool, concentrating all of the very worst aspects of the right into one place.

          • 0 avatar
            Astigmatism

            “Does it ever concern you when the establishment media puts a cone of silence around a topic or do you just think they’re ignoring a story for your own good?”

            In my experience, it’s usually been because it isn’t a “story.” For instance, when the Daily Mail blows the lid off of the newest explosive cover-up by dastardly climate scientists, only to find that they disagree with the source they based their story on, or when PJMedia claims that the Ayatollah is dead when he is not, in fact, dead.

            “Clever of you to include Russian Times in there.”

            It’s “clever” insofar as RT is the first link to pop up when you Google “Volkswagen ISIS” (without quotes, obvs.).

          • 0 avatar
            TW5

            @astigmatism

            Why would RT give you pause in this instance? If they were trying to influence US nuclear, military, or space policy, I understand why you’d hesitate, but we’re talking about jihadism.

            Jihadists are generally the people the US intelligence agencies have been wielding against Russia for decades, be they Mujahideen in Afghanistan or Chechens in Chechnya or ISIS in Syria. To be sure, Russia has used Iran to wage counter-jihad via Hezbollah and other proxies, but the Islamic invasion of Europe does not fit the pattern of Russian proxy war. They want their people operating in the Americas and threatening our proxies in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia). They don’t want them in Continental Europe, even if Western European NATO countries are not really Russian allies.

            If RT highlights jihad in Europe, that’s not an invitation to dismiss the story and to tar-and-feather right wing sources. Think critically.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            It’s funny how the truly brainwashed actually filter out all reality to hold onto their unshaken belief in propaganda.

        • 0 avatar
          Lou_BC

          @jjster6 – I’m wondering what the back story is to all of this. Western countries have little tolerance for known terrorist collaboration.

          • 0 avatar
            jjster6

            @ Ronnie Schreiber – Not sure what you mean about mainstream media putting a cone of silence around this. I’m hearing it now. Doesn’t seem that hidden.

            And something still doesn’t seem right about this. I don’t agree with the decision, but quite possibly the judge is only allowed to consider a certain set of facts in this particular case. I have no idea about how the German legal system works and I don’t think you do either (correct me if I’m wrong). I think it is way to early to declare that “Germany loves Jihad.” There is an appeal according to your story so it doesn’t end here. The guy has been fired for 8 years so let’s not think the German courts are loving this guy. It seems this has been a very uphill battle for him and one he should lose if common sense prevails and the facts are as stated.

            Will you be covering the appeal? Or does the story end here and is everyone left to run into the arms of the Orange One to save us from the “libtards.”

          • 0 avatar
            jjster6

            Oops. Now I’m getting the facts wrong. He got fired in 2016. So he hasn’t been fired for 8 years but rest of my comment stands.

          • 0 avatar
            jjster6

            Let’s also look at some subtle points in the stories.

            According to the linked story, “The judge said VW had not been able to STATE (emphasis added) that the ‘operational peace’ of the plant had been ‘specifically disturbed.\'”

            According to Ronnie’s version above, “the judge ruled that VW had not proven that the “operational peace” of the factory had been “specifically disturbed.”

            Those are saying two very different things. The first story appears to say VW didn’t even argue the point. The second says the judge ruled the point. Maybe VW had some bad lawyers, or even an HR wonk arguing the case. Those arguing the case may not have understood the rules of evidence or requirement of law.

            I still think we do not have all of the facts here and many are jumping to a conclusion that supports their narrative.

          • 0 avatar
            TDIandThen....

            Agreed w jjster. My read is that on this specific question of making the workplace unsafe VW didn’t prove he had done so and so fired him without merit (aka without enough documentation).

            Whether the German police / intelligence decide to arrest him for supporting terrorism – something one can only prosecute with due process including evidence – or let him go to follow him and his network, or ignore him as just another crazy angry 20-something too unstable to make it to Syria and get recruited, is a separate question. That doesn’t make them ‘soft on terrorism’ and it doesn’t make all media you disagree with, somehow corrupt.

      • 0 avatar
        Duaney

        Hillary would be bringing the terrorists in by the millions.

        • 0 avatar
          HahnZahn

          Hey, everybody! I found THAT GUY!

        • 0 avatar
          jjster6

          If you are kidding put a :) behind your comment.

          I’m no Hillary fan either but I don’t think she is looking to welcome terrorists with open arms. By the way how many Americans killed by foreign terrorists in America last year? I don’t know the answer but pretty sure it’s only a hand full.

          How many Americans shot and killed by other Americans last year? I think it’s over 10,000.

          What should you really be worrying about?

          • 0 avatar
            The ultimate family-friendly hybrid vehicle is finally here.

            The NRA supports those who murder Americans in much greater numbers than Muslim extremists do.
            An the Orange One is easily bent to the will of the NRA.

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            What do you think you mean when you say the NRA supports those who murder Americans? Do they give to Planned Parenthood? If an NRA member ever commits murder, it will be the only story in the media for nine months. BLM supports murderers. Assata Skakur is a hero of the DNC. Eric Holder armed cop killers. You seem very confused.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      “In case you are still wondering, its events like this that got Trump elected.’

      The exploitation of similar evens through fear mongering is what got him elected. Add to that the chronic exploitation of the middle class by the elites and the highly effective strategy of blaming foreigners and government for their plight.

      • 0 avatar
        doublechili

        Trump was elected in large part because he fights back. How many times during the election season did something happen and everyone thought that was the end of him? And he would fight back and his numbers would go up.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Great president so far

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “Great president so far”

            “The President, who revealed during a fundraiser in St. Louis on Wednesday that he contradicted Trudeau without knowing the facts, gave this as his rationale for lying to Trudeau.

            “I had no idea,” he said. “I just said, ‘You’re wrong.’ You know why? Because we’re so stupid.””

          • 0 avatar
            ToddAtlasF1

            When I vote for Trump in 2020, it will be the first time I’ve voted for a Presidential candidate instead of against the even worse POS they’re running against. I was wrong about Trump when I held my nose and voted for him in 2016. He’s the best thing that’s happened to this country since Ronald Reagan.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            Well, I didn’t vote for Trump but I like what he has done so far in his first year.

            I will vote for Trump if he runs in 2020, if his detractors and the anti-Trumper Repugs don’t doom his presidency first.

            The lifestyle my wife and I enjoy has improved exponentially since Trump won the election.

            Seriously!

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        Ok dude. Obama said 8 years ago that he organized [international] community, Assad is expired and has to go. Guess what, Obama gone, Assad is still there. when you people will smarten up? It is not what Trump says, it what he does. Enjoy every day while you can.

        • 0 avatar
          Sub-600

          It’s an indictment of the “international community” that Assad is still there. Obama was a buffoon.

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          Hey Slavuta,

          You do know it’s possible to not like Trump or Obama, yes? I know, I know, it’s a crazy idea. The thought that party allegiance should take a back seat to common sense and, you know, thinking.

          • 0 avatar
            TW5

            People who like Obama are as confused as the people who are helping pre-pubescent children become transgender.

            He was a menace. It was obvious from the outset that he would be, yet so many people were terrified of being racist that they voted for an incompetent flunkie with ties to nefarious international criminals.

            I can only hope that these stories about the Iran deal, and Obama letting Hezbollah operate in America, and the rampant illegal spying on political opponents and judges is all part of strategic deception.

            In that event Obama would just be a likable flunkie, not an international criminal and traitor.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            The USA has a habit of implementing foreign policy that comes back to bit them in the azz. That fact of life is not just an Obama problem. Gulf War version Dubya can be credited with the birth of ISIS.

          • 0 avatar
            TW5

            If misguided foreign policy were his only mistake, he’d be ranked among all of the other president’s who made extra-judicial strategic mistakes because they are human.

            Obama seemingly funded terror directly via the Iran deal, which was executed behind the backs of Congress because they would never have approved the deal. Obama reportedly told the DEA to stop cracking down on Hezbollah in the US because he was worried it would harm the Iran deal. The FBI ring of corruption and its apparent abuse of the FISA courts makes it appear the Obama administration was spying illegally on many political opponents. The same political opponents were being targeted by the IRS so their non-profits couldn’t operate tax-free.

            All signs point to Obama being a shady figure, who has lived his life under multiple aliases, and who also presented the public with a dubious birth certificate from a Hawaiian official who conveniently “died” (the only passenger to die) in a plane crash off the coast of Maui two years after publishing the document. Federal investigators in Arizona were working with Joe Arpaio to check the legitimacy. Oh yeah, did I mention that Obama rewarded Joe for his sleuthing by having the feds convict him and attempt to throw him in jail, if not for Trump’s pardon?

            Nothing about Obama passes scrutiny. It was obvious before he was elected. It’s even more obvious now. But no one thought it would matter because no one thought Hillary would lose.

            Did you know secret service gave Obama the code name Renegade. Look up what that means, particularly the original Spanish definition.

    • 0 avatar
      probert

      Is he the German president too? When you say “events like this” – what events?

      What got Trump elected was pure selfish stupidity, fear, racism, xenophobia and greed. Noble defenders of the faith one and all.

      • 0 avatar
        ToddAtlasF1

        What got Trump elected was Hillary’s and the Obama regime’s criminality and their inability to figure out where it was most important to commit voter fraud.

  • avatar
    chuckrs

    I had no idea that the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals extended all the way to Germany.

  • avatar
    FreedMike

    Good to know common sense still carries the day in Germany.

    My guess: this stupid reinstatement order fails, and fails hard, on appeal.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      Apparently, In Germany, you can’t deny Holocaust (great!) but you can announce yourself ISIS – haha

      • 0 avatar
        ToddAtlasF1

        Is there an over/under betting line on when appeasing Muslims will be more important than pretending to have learned from the failure of the original German progressives? I figure Germany will start ‘tolerating’ holocaust deniers before the average temperature of the earth’s climate raises by a tenth of a degree Celsius.

        • 0 avatar
          Sub-600

          Just don’t use an incorrect gender pronoun when addressing an illegal alien (undocumented democrat) in California. That’s not tolerated and offenders will find no sanctuary.

  • avatar
    TheBestPlaceEver

    This is insane

  • avatar
    tylanner

    If you don’t do anything illegal outside of work and do not violate company policy while at work you have pretty extraordinary protections pretty much worldwide.

    VW should know better that you always terminate based on performance…always.

    • 0 avatar
      slap

      “the company said he began threatening co-workers”

      Sounds like it was a work related problem.

      • 0 avatar
        tylanner

        While I agree, the judge apparently did not find sufficient evidence to give the threat credible volition. Since we don’t know exactly what was said and the arguments from both sides it is hard to denounce the judges decision outright.

        • 0 avatar
          tylanner

          And while the claim that he ‘was involved in the recruitment and support of Islamic fighters from Wolfsburg’ sounds damning it really isn’t illegal. Taken on its surface, it could mean that he encouraged other Syrian expats in Germany to consider defending this-or-that sacred belief or the homeland. This is a pretty common occurrence in modern Europe. The actual claims made by VW are weak.

          The article is full of presuppositions that suggest he is overtly supporting ISIS and it’s causes…I highly doubt that this is the case.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        Companies have very clear guidelines on how to deal with “bullying” such as threats, intimidation, shunning/shaming etc. I’m suspecting that due process was not followed on VW’s side. If events aren’t clearly documented, then they didn’t happen. That is how the courts and most HR departments view these sorts of complaints.

  • avatar
    tinbad

    If I want to read Breitbart I’ll just go there. Let’s stick to the TRUTH and CARS, quoting the Daily Mail doesn’t fall in either category.

  • avatar
    Sceptic

    So much for German Engineering…
    Somehow makes me feel better about “Hecho en Mexico” VW product

  • avatar
    Sub-600

    Germany, Sweden, and France have serious immigration issues that had better be addressed if they wish to remain “nations”. Language, borders, culture. Remember when people came to America to become Americans? This isn’t always the goal here anymore. In some cases they come to job the system and to proselytize the citizenry, using liberals and the law to achieve their ends. People here may want to put politics aside and take a rational, honest look at what’s going on. Here and in Europe.

    • 0 avatar
      Lou_BC

      Immigration is a serious problem due to burgeoning populations in the “have not” countries. It needs to be managed appropriately as opposed to “walling” them out. 1st world countries no longer have the population growth to be self sustaining. One needs to allow some refugees into one’s country based upon humanitarian grounds but beyond that, merit based immigration does not include colour or religion.

      • 0 avatar
        gtem

        “allow some refugees into one’s country based upon humanitarian grounds”

        And the massive crowds pouring into Europe are nothing if not economic migrants. Let’s call it what it is. I understand their motivations to try and make a better life for their families, but the vast, vast majority are not fleeing war. Otherwise they wouldn’t be leaving wives and children behind.

      • 0 avatar
        TW5

        When the Saudi Royal princes were rounded up and their assets were seized, they totaled nearly $800B dollars. Their combined wealth was over 100% of Saudi GDP, and I suspect Saudi Arabia didn’t even find all of the oil money they’ve stashed away around the globe.

        These have not countries are not poor, which is exactly what Trump said during the campaign. These migrants need to be relocated back to their home countries, and they need to be in safe zone built and protected by their home nations.

        The calamities we are witnessing in the Middle East are deliberate. Same is true of narcoterrorism on the American continents.

        • 0 avatar
          Sub-600

          Calexit is a pipe dream. Californians love to tout their “world’s 5th largest economy” but don’t like to mention how much of it depends on Uncle Sam. Calexit means no more federal gravy train. No more U.S. military protection. No more defense contracts. The collapse of the state university system. Citizens would leave en masse and the remainder would be taxed to death. The border would be overrun. California would be a third world country in no time. It’s risible.

          • 0 avatar
            TW5

            @ Sub-600

            California is allowing illegal aliens to vote by the millions and appointing them to government positions. Do you think illegals have a clue what California will lose? Do you think the people who are making it legal for illegal aliens to vote care what damage comes to the United States? The plutocrats are insulated. If anything they will be able to buy paradise for cheap.

            Assuming the California establishment will come to their senses is like imagining the Germans will never invade France because surely the Germans realize the financial costs and human costs are much too high.

            I’m afraid the anti-American thuggery in California will require federal election reform, and DHS agents in California to secure elections.

        • 0 avatar
          The ultimate family-friendly hybrid vehicle is finally here.

          There are a few extremely wealthy families, and a vast majority of very poor with little access to the extravagant lifestyle of the rich.
          Those with no path to improvement have nothing to lose by creating destruction and chaos.

      • 0 avatar
        AtoB

        “1st world countries no longer have the population growth to be self sustaining.”

        The worlds population is bursting at the seams as it is with more on the way. Declining the global population humanely should be a top priority.

    • 0 avatar
      slavuta

      In the end, conservative nations will prevail. the liberal ones will self-eliminate.

      • 0 avatar
        Lou_BC

        “In the end, conservative nations will prevail. the liberal ones will self-eliminate.”

        Populist xenophobia exists on both sides of the political spectrum.

        • 0 avatar
          Sub-600

          “A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who’s lost his job.” – ancient American saying

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          xenophobia is a fear or dislike of other cultures. How do you call fear and dislike of some people coming to America [or those who helps them] and trying to change your current culture, which you don’t want to give up?

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            “and trying to change your current culture”

            Please define that culture?

            What part are “they” trying to change?

            Exposure to other cultures and interacting with people is how we overcome our fear of the unknown.

            “which you don’t want to give up?”

            What specifically do you “NOT” want to give up?

          • 0 avatar
            TW5

            @ Lou_BC

            We have judges in the United States who cite foreign law and/or international directives. Billions of dollars are illegally flowing to border states to pay for local services that are on the verge of collapse. Schools are translating the pledge into English and hanging Mexican flags in schoolrooms. California is hiring illegal aliens to do state government jobs. Thankfully in Texas the crooks are only hiring illegals for local government jobs.

            People who live outside of the Southwest are mostly oblivious. I’m lucky to live in Texas where we have a long history of Tejanos and Texians who believed in the cause of constitutional law before all else. That means many Mexican-Americans in Texas are far more in tune with the culture of a constitutional republic. California is not so lucky, and their own politicians are advocating non-citizen voting and fanning the flames of Calexit.

            Trump is just another Yankee who doesn’t really get it, but his ham-fisted nationalism is far better than the open-borders capitulation that came before it.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @TW5 – I appreciate your comments but why the shift from the sub-topic of European Muslim immigration to Hispanic immigration in the USA?

            It does fit in with my comments in relation to managing immigration.

            It does not change my questions:

            Please define that culture?

            What part are “they” trying to change?

            What specifically do you “NOT” want to give up?

          • 0 avatar
            TW5

            @ Lou_BC

            I was trying to be specific that our civic culture is the aspect most likely to change, especially considering the lackadaisical disregard for the rights and duties of citizens compared to non-citizens.

            Our legal culture is also under pressure by judges citing foreign law, sharia law, and blocking lawful executive orders. The push for bilingual law as another backdoor attempt to muddle legal precedent and re-litigate existing precedent in Spanish, which could allow precedent to be set from different cultural or legal standards.

            No one cares if people like Takis rather than Doritos or they prefer sombreros to baseball caps. That’s not what’s going on. Certain people are using immigrants to destabilize cultural norms. The instability creates an opportunity to reshape culture. This is part (small part) of the reason same-sex marriage is regulated under statutes for heterosexual couples with biological kids.

            Instability and conflict leads to the public demanding change.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @TW5 – I fully agree that there are those that will use any opportunity to destabilize to shift legal and/or cultural and/or societal norms. It some cases it is not a bad thing. What constitutes “bad or good” all depends on where one sites on the religions, political or the socioeconomic spectrum.

            I do agree that it is a bad thing to destabilize the legal system.

            Executive orders on the other hand, which come down from one man i.e. president, are highly subjective and in themselves can be or are destabilizing. Power should never be concentrated in the hands of the few.

          • 0 avatar
            TW5

            @Lou_BC

            Change can be good if its derived from reason. When someone argues American law isn’t more valid in the United States than other laws around the world or religious Sharia law, they are not using reason. When they argue citizenship is an abstract concept that means nothing in the grand scheme, they are undermining the entire notion of nation states and representative democracy, since both require citizen participation.

            The United States is being destabilized on purpose. It was happening rapidly during Obama’s term, but few people were paying attention. Now that Trump is in office, we have Antifa riots, homeless tent cities, etc. The media and political actors want people to blame Trump for the instability and demand changes that will scuttle the reforms he and his admin are trying to put through.

            Americans are not paying attention. We’ve gone way beyond basic political and civic engagement. The stuff that’s been going on since Obama is more similar to psyops and counterintelligence. Clearly, the US is not up against the Democratic Party. It’s up against a much more sophisticated and powerful enemy.

        • 0 avatar
          slavuta

          Lou, I don’t want to give up my American style of life – big house, big car, big gun, “Merry Christmas” on the store window, “hello sir” instead of “yo man”, etc.

          • 0 avatar
            Lou_BC

            @TW5 – I agree with most of what you say.

            We see protests because people feel there is something wrong with “the system”. Most don’t see clear enough to know who or what to blame.
            Ideology is interfering with the ability to discern reality. The strategy is working because the USA has never been so divided.

            Drumph isn’t the disease, he just happens to be the ultimate manifestation of the disease. The disease is that of selfish self serving greed. The disease of enriching oneself at the determent of all else.

            People have been conditioned to serve themselves above all else. That is the “new” American dream. Dominant success at any cost. It fuels capitalism and the concentration of wealth in the hands of a select few. One has been programmed to hate the sharing of power and wealth. Rugged individualism as opposed to greater good.
            Hillary is also another manifestation of that disease. She is the poster child of of selfish self-serving enrichment.
            Drumph played the emotions of the populace. He tapped into their anger and directed it at Clinton, foreigners, immigrants and Muslims. He claimed to be an outsider that would drain the swamp but all he wanted is to be the largest reptile getting fat in the swamp.

            Both sides of the political spectrum need to work for the “common good” and work on “we the people” not “I” or “me”.

            There are those externally and internally are fanning the flames. They did not start the fire.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      Sub-600,
      People never went to America to become Americans. They went for the opportunities offered, then became Americans.

      I know right now many immigrants want to come to the “West”, not just America.

      Now, many immigrants want to come to Australia, if not NZ, if not the US, if not the UK, if not Germany, etc.

      It’s just back 150 years ago the US offered the best opportunities for immigrants.

      I do believe a lot of the paradigms on the US are false.

      • 0 avatar
        slavuta

        People came to Ellis Island, and went west to farm. The new once come for food stamps

        • 0 avatar
          Big Al from Oz

          slavuta,
          You’re correct. After farming became more and more mechanised, they came for the factory work, now factory work is becoming more and more automated they come for service industry jobs.

          Yes, food stamps are present, welfare is across the world.

          In 100 years they will come for other reasons and new industries that will develop.

  • avatar
    tallguy130

    The VW PR person just just drinks at their desk all day while crying, right?

  • avatar
    cresttwo

    The Daily Mail? Really?

    C’mon guys; you can do much better than that.

  • avatar
    Duaney

    When I read this report on another news feed, I thought that this was an outrage. I sincerely hope that upon appeal, VW wins. How would anyone reading this right now be willing to work next to a guy like this?

  • avatar
    cdotson

    Germany would come out ahead if VW skipped the appeal process and brought him back on board.

    Sure would be a shame if an industrial accident befell the poor man on his first day back.

  • avatar
    TW5

    I think the last line should be in bold or something. In VW’s defense, they will probably appeal, and they do not appear willing to accept the judgment of the lower court.

    However, VW was willing to settle with a terrorist, which might have made them liable for aiding and abetting an enemy combatant, if Samir B had done something elsewhere in Europe.

    Anyway, I don’t know what’s going on in the Old Country. Western Europe is being raped and pillaged, yet the people keep demanding more. At least that’s how it’s made to appear on TV. Maybe most Europeans are fed up, but they are made to feel like they are part of a racist minority. Not sure.

    • 0 avatar
      tinbad

      “Anyway, I don’t know what’s going on in the Old Country. Western Europe is being raped and pillaged, yet the people keep demanding more. At least that’s how it’s made to appear on TV. Maybe most Europeans are fed up, but they are made to feel like they are part of a racist minority. Not sure.“

      When I first visited the US and turned on the TV I thought all the news was parody. I will never forget turning on Fox News and the host was talking about jihadis taking over areas in my local town in Europe. That’s when I actually stared to have some compassion for the ignorance displayed by my American friends. Or as we say in software development: garbage in, garbage out.

      • 0 avatar
        TW5

        The statistics are what they are. Violent crime has been rising steadily for a number of years, and sexual violence is skyrocketing. No-go zones are real, as are the protests.

        The issue is whether the European appearance of total capitulation is real or whether Europeans are working diligently to overcome these new socioeconomic problems. The grandstanding by migrant victims in European parliaments isn’t promising. Neither is this ruling by the German courts, but I’m not that familiar with the statutes.

        • 0 avatar
          tinbad

          “The statistics are what they are. Violent crime has been rising steadily for a number of years, and sexual violence is skyrocketing. No-go zones are real, as are the protests.”

          Wow. You must be getting your news from Breitbart as well? First of all, where are those statistics you’re talking about?

          In other news: I’ve traveled through the worst parts of Europe and generally felt safer than some of the nicer places in America. Sure, there are poor neighborhoods in Europe with elevated crime, but seriously nothing compares to most urban places in the US. I seriously recommend you get out of your bubble and see for yourself. For all the no-go zones we supposedly have (spoiler alert: there aren’t any), I’d still feel better sending my 2 daughters to school there than in America. Statistics show exactly that: I’m much more likely to get killed by your AR15 owning ass in the US than some raping jihadi in EU.

          • 0 avatar

            Try walking around Paris with a yarmulke on your head:

          • 0 avatar
            Sub-600

            I’m a 55 year-old American who has never met anyone who’s been shot (save for some ‘Nam vets) or who has shot anyone (save for service vets or cops). I have worked and gone to school with thousands of people over the years. I live in a relatively high crime city, but as with most things, it’s your lifestyle that often dictates what happens to you. Now I’ve jinxed myself and will probably be robbed at gunpoint, lol. Don’t believe everything you see on tv about the “Wild West U.S.A.”

          • 0 avatar
            TW5

            Whether or not Europe is safer or more dangerous than the United States is irrelevant. The issue is whether their society is being destabilized (it is), and whether they have adopted plans to address the changes.

            To me, it appears as though European leaders are doing little other than making the problems worse by accusing the native victims of being racist. Hard to say whether this is reality or a media construct or reality, and what motivation the media has in creating this appearance if it isn’t true.

            If your neighborhood was having a serious problem with gang violence and the feds told you that America is still much better than Honduras, I doubt you’d be satisfied.

            You need to think. Emotional poutrage died with the Obama presidency.

          • 0 avatar
            Sub-600

            Glasgow has had the highest violent crime rate in Europe for a number of years now, it’ll be interesting to see if that distinction moves to an EU nation with unchecked immigration. It’ll probably take a year or two to get the stats from whomever compiles them. Accusing victims of being racist is a time honored practice in the U.S. The newspaper website here won’t even post mug shots of minorities and will often omit race from suspect descriptions, lol.

          • 0 avatar
            highdesertcat

            Sub-600, I found it interesting to learn that “Glasgow has had the highest violent crime rate in Europe for a number of years now”.

            I was there a couple of summers ago visiting old friends from RAF Spadeadam and they made no mention of it.

            Then again, these people are my age (past 70) and wealthy enough so that they don’t expose themselves to situations that could lead to violent crime.

  • avatar
    BoogerROTN

    It seems like only yesterday our worries about German car manufacturing concerned how many beers were had at the cantina during lunch and whether or not a car was assembled on a Friday afternoon. Now I have to worry about Achmed the Terrorist’s feelings…

    BTW: Threatening your fellow workers does not add to the a general feeling of gemutlichkeit in the workplace. WTF was that judge thinking?

    • 0 avatar
      macmcmacmac

      I worked in a welding shop where one guy had made a special tool for slashing co-worker’s tire as he left for the day. Another was nearly shot to death by a cop while he was beating his wife with a table leg. Another went on a rampage one weekend and shot up the office with a hunting rifle. The shift supervisor did some time in the slammer for sexual assault, and the welds used to turn to beer foam on a Thursday night shift since everyone was out of their gourd on dope. The sanest guy there was a biker who arrived one night with a black eye after fighting two women who kicked over his Softail.

      Their trailer burned down that night.

      Weirdest 6 months of my working life.

  • avatar
    Big Al from Oz

    I do know Industrial Relations in the EU is very one sided in favour of employees.

    I would say the Judge most likely didn’t want to pass on the decision he made, but had no choice regarding the industrial relations regulations.

    I do know in France, Macron wants to liberalise employment to be more in favour of the employer. France has had very high unemployment due to the very worker friendly laws in removing non productive or problem employees.

    I do believe this is where the US, Australia and Canada have better laws governing and protecting businesses.

  • avatar
    jalop1991

    sigh. Hello, Jalopnik.

    • 0 avatar
      tinbad

      In Jalopnik’s defense, even they wouldn’t quote the Daily Mail.

      Actually, I stand corrected:
      https://jalopnik.com/5906923/selma-hayeks-husband-does-not-drive-a-150000-mustang

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    Here is a handy little *Media Bias Chart*

    I have a screen capture of it on my phone and occasionally use it as a filter.

    http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Media-Bias-Chart_Version-3.1_Watermark-min.jpg

    The Daily Mail “Skews Conservative” which in itself is not a big deal since most media outlets sit slightly left or slightly right.

    The problem lies in the fact that this outlet sits at the bottom of the chart on the edge of the area outlined in red which reads: “Nonsense damaging to public discourse” and in relation to factual reporting is listed as: “Propaganda/contains misleading information and/or contains inaccurate/fabricated info”

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      Lou,
      Interesting link. I genrally use Bloomberg Europe, Bloomberg Asia, Reuters, Al Jazeera, BBC and the ABC (Australian Broadcasting, which is left leaning but the actual reporting is quite unbiased, opinion is biased).

      My mother in NJ thinks the WSJ is left wing! But, she watches Fox and Friends and like the Tea Party. Very narrow minded, even to deal with.

    • 0 avatar
      macmcmacmac

      Who made the chart?

  • avatar
    Lou_BC

    Here is a handy little *Media Bias Chart*

    I have a screen capture of it on my phone and occasionally use it as a filter.

    http://www.allgeneralizationsarefalse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Media-Bias-Chart_Version-3.1_Watermark-min.jpg

    The Daily Mail “Skews Conservative” which in itself is not a big deal since most media outlets sit slightly left or slightly right.

    The problem lies in the fact that this outlet sits at the bottom of the chart on the edge of the area outlined in red which reads: “Nonsense damaging to public discourse” and in relation to factual reporting is listed as: “Propaganda/contains misleading information and/or contains inaccurate/fabricated info”

  • avatar
    pdog_phatpat

    If this happened here in the USA, and the guy were left to go ahead and mow down his co-workers with a semi, everyone would be blaming the guns….again. Morons.

    • 0 avatar
      Big Al from Oz

      pdog_phatat,
      What I find alarming is many focus on the Muslims, even here in Australia where they represent less than 3% of the population.

      The US has real serious issues with it’s inanely inadequate gun control. Gun violence within the US is a far bigger problem than any external issues confronting the nation, add to this disparity with inadequate infrastructure for the poor increases these violence and gang issues.

  • avatar
    macmcmacmac

    He didn’t deny the holocaust, so everything’s jake.

  • avatar
    ra_pro

    Isn’t this just a basic question of free speech? Just because you have “wrong” beliefs doesn’t make you a menace. If he was such a menace to society why didn’t the German police arrest him and instead just confiscated his passport? I think the answer is clear there, was not enough evidence to hold him on a real charge. You have to be a true nutcase to believe that after numerous ISIS attacks in Germany the police and Germany in general are just not serious about Muslim extremism. The judge took this a step further and said that the company hasn’t proved the he was disturbing the peace at the workplace because saying that you support ISIS is a political stand and it shouldn’t be caused of someone’s firing as odious as that sounds. If Germany had a law like UK where joining ISIS is a crime (he attempted to join ISIS) he would be probably be sitting in jail right now instead of working at VW.

    We will not preserve our life-style by rounding up all the people we disagree with but apparently the US populace seems to be convinced that that’s the solution. Germans have learnt their lesson, Americans have to still learn it on their own skin and that’s where the country is going.

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