Piston Slap: Time to Twist Up the Tach?

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta

TTAC commentator David Holzman writes:

Sajeev,

I have a new (to me) ’08 Civic LX 1.8 liter, stick, bought with 35k on the clock. The previous owner was a woman who traded it for a RAV4 I think (I bought the car from a Toyota dealer). I’m guessing partly based on gender stereotypes that she wasn’t availing herself of the high revs to flog a lot of performance out of the car.

If I want to wind it up a lot, does it need first to be broken in for high revs ? (Red line is 6750. I’ve taken it just a little beyond 5. It seems happy to do that.) If so, what’s the best procedure for this? For whatever it’s worth, after slightly under 2,000 miles since the dealer change the oil, it’s still clear, though ever so slightly darker than the first time I drove the car, about 1800 miles ago.

As an aside, for anyone interested, I got 36 mpg from Boston to Quakertown, PA, 34 from Quakertown PA to northern Virginia, against a strong headwind, and 39 driving home from NoVA, including a brief traffic jam on America’s Main STreet (the New Jersey tpk), and a drive through Manhattan, with a 70-plus mph average on the highway.

Best, –David

Sajeev answers:

First, I gotta compliment your machine’s inherent beauty, compared to the 2012 I sampled recently. Second, gender stereotypes? That’s just begging to be 100% wrong. Come on, son…welcome to the current millenia!

Let’s be clear on one point: the Civic (@35k) is already broken in, it’s too late for that. 6750 on the tach’s been your friend since you drove it off the lot!

Now let’s look at the logical extension of this question: what about a “warm up” procedure before twistin’ the Civic up to redline? Everyone has an opinion on the matter, and since TTAC readers seem to like my opinions, here goes:

1. Unless we are in below zero degree weather, there’s nothing wrong with immediately driving a vehicle after the initial cold start. Quickly move off the lot, but don’t move fast. Idle time is serious engine wear time: slowly circulating cold oil is a no-no, you want oil temperature up to spec ASAP. In a safe manner!

2. Do NOT rev it to red line until the temperature gauge is up to its normal place (whatever that is) for about a minute or so. Oil takes a little longer to get to temperature than engine coolant, and since many vehicles don’t show oil temp, just hang around for a while as the oil plays catch up to the coolant. Accelerate modestly, taking full advantage of the engine’s torque peak at this time. Google wasn’t helping me, but I expect the torque peak on a Civic LX is around 4000 rpm. So keep the motor in that general area while accelerating, or lower: traffic conditions determines this, obviously.

The insane high torque peak of some cars (Scion FR-S and even the 3.6L DI Cadillacs, to a lesser extent) give me serious pause on my advice, but whatever. No theory is perfect.

3. Once the motor’s lived at normal coolant operating temperature for “a while”, your only worry is the rev-limiter: try not to hit it. So now you can just go right ahead and beat the living shit out of that little motor.

Have fun!

Send your queries to sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com. Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry.

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  • SupaMan SupaMan on Dec 11, 2012

    Aren't Honda engines (typically 4 cylinders) made to be beat up on though? They don't make their power or torque till way up the tach so I'd assume they were built to take punishment. Warm up times notwithstanding, I owned a late 90s Civic (when VTEC was only used on the EX model I think) and I've personally revved the bejezzus out of the motor and it gladly carried me to well over 120k miles until an inattentive driver ended her life. Till that point, nothing was done except regular maintenance (oil changes, water pump, timing belt etc).

  • KrisZ KrisZ on Dec 11, 2012

    Coolant temperature has absolutely no correlation to the oil temperature, especially below freezing. So, while the coolant temp gauge (which is a fancy idiot light in most cars) may show full operating temp, the oil will be nowhere near its operating temperature. A good rule of thumb is 20 minutes of normal driving should have the oil up to the operating temp. If it's well below freezing with high wind chill factor, I would refrain from high revs all together, as the oil may take a very long time to get to the operating temp. In summer that time may be cut to 10-15 minutes.

  • Kwik_Shift_Pro4X Thankfully I don't have to deal with GDI issues in my Frontier. These cleaners should do well for me if I win.
  • Theflyersfan Serious answer time...Honda used to stand for excellence in auto engineering. Their first main claim to fame was the CVCC (we don't need a catalytic converter!) engine and it sent from there. Their suspensions, their VTEC engines, slick manual transmissions, even a stowing minivan seat, all theirs. But I think they've been coasting a bit lately. Yes, the Civic Type-R has a powerful small engine, but the Honda of old would have found a way to get more revs out of it and make it feel like an i-VTEC engine of old instead of any old turbo engine that can be found in a multitude of performance small cars. Their 1.5L turbo-4...well...have they ever figured out the oil dilution problems? Very un-Honda-like. Paint issues that still linger. Cheaper feeling interior trim. All things that fly in the face of what Honda once was. The only thing that they seem to have kept have been the sales staff that treat you with utter contempt for daring to walk into their inner sanctum and wanting a deal on something that isn't a bare-bones CR-V. So Honda, beat the rest of your Japanese and Korean rivals, and plug-in hybridize everything. If you want a relatively (in an engineering way) easy way to get ahead of the curve, raise the CAFE score, and have a major point to advertise, and be able to sell to those who can't plug in easily, sell them on something that will get, for example, 35% better mileage, plug in when you get a chance, and drives like a Honda. Bring back some of the engineering skills that Honda once stood for. And then start introducing a portfolio of EVs once people are more comfortable with the idea of plugging in. People seeing that they can easily use an EV for their daily errands with the gas engine never starting will eventually sell them on a future EV because that range anxiety will be lessened. The all EV leap is still a bridge too far, especially as recent sales numbers have shown. Baby steps. That's how you win people over.
  • Theflyersfan If this saves (or delays) an expensive carbon brushing off of the valves down the road, I'll take a case. I understand that can be a very expensive bit of scheduled maintenance.
  • Zipper69 A Mini should have 2 doors and 4 cylinders and tires the size of dinner plates.All else is puffery.
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