By on December 25, 2012

TTAC Commentator Halftruth writes:

Hey Sajeev,

While watching the Mecum auto auctions recently, a beautiful Plymouth GTX came thru on the auction block. It got me thinking about the rash of brand-icide we’ve seen these past ten or so years. As they pass, others come in.

So my question is, are the newbies up to the task? I know Olds, Pontiac and Plymouth kind of slid into oblivion after the glory days but will there be a newly minted brand that you think will have staying power and be a “classic”? Or perhaps an already existing one?

Sajeev answers:

History is a bizarre thing: when my 1988 Cougar was new, it was quite the head turner.  One person tangentially connected to our family was enamored with it.  But, 10 years ago, nobody understood why I was pumping thousands into its resto-modification treatment. Why not do it to a Fox Mustang? It’s easier! Why not get an LT-1 Camaro instead?  That’s a waaay better car, right?

But these days I drive the Cougar on the highway and necks snap to witness its sleek, quasi-aero 1980s monochrome red coachwork. Drunk guys at local bars yell out “COOOUGAR” when it rumbles out of the parking lot: as if somehow it knows Courtney Cox, etc. I like my damn car for my reasons…but I see how cars become moderately-desirable classics with inherent, unexpected future value.

Am I expecting the Cougar to be somewhat valuable 20 years from now?  No, and I don’t care either. Ferrari, Corvette, Lamborghini, Mustang, Ford GT, Camaro, Viper, etc.  They are the obvious future classics.

So here are some forgotten models from modern brands that I think will, unlike my Cougar, be hot auction fodder:

  1. Acura Integra: A fantastic machine in every respect, with a cult following.  Definitely a car that will shine on in the auctions of the future.  And if it’s a Type R?  LOOK OUT!
  2. Subaru WRX/Mitsubishi EVO:  these turbo-beasties will be great collector car fodder, and rare too!  How often do you see a 5+ year old model that’s clean, low mile, UNMODIFIED in the used car market right now?
  3. V-series Cadillacs:  they are the spiritual successor to the performance Pontiacs from the 60s and 70s. While an STS-V may be valuable like those Gran Prixs with the 8-lug wheels, the CTS-V is most certainly the next GTO Judge.
  4. Lexus Coupes, V8 sedans: See above, except change the Pontiac reference to Cadillac. The SC ad LS have a loyal following both in new and used car markets for their top drawer appointments and reputation for being the best of the best. That won’t change in the future, especially for the SC 300/400.
  5. Anything Hyundai Genesis: they look decent, are RWD, and have a chance to really make an impact to those displaced by Pontiac, Olds, Plymouth, Mercury, Lincoln, Cadillac, etc. Like Apple products’ mass appeal these days, they will get better as time marches on.
  6. Scion xB (first-gen) and FR-S: even if it doesn’t live up to the hype for you, these will be a hot commodity.
  7. Teslas, Fiskers:  these proto-mainstream hybrid playtoys for rich people point to a future when Hybrids are more than just a trim job on a Lexus, or a boring Prius.  Think about the star-crossed DeLorean’s appeal these days.
  8. Honda Civic CRX, Si: while all CRXs are cool, I’m referring only to the Si’s from 1990s. It’s hard to argue with their mass appeal and silly amounts of driving fun. Everyone loves them, and we never forgot their awesomeness.
  9. Any SRT/SVT product:  collectors tend to wet themselves at the sight of a bone-stock, low mile, HEMI from the 70s these days.  Expect the same from the SRT brand in the future. Ford’s SVT group will do the same, Focus and Contour aside.
  10. Toyota Supra, Mk IV: the positively heroic amounts of power made from tweaked Turbo Supras made this machine a God among men. Even clean non-turbo models fetch good money these days, and that will continue.
  11. 2013 Lincoln MKZ:  just kidding. The Kia Optima has a better chance at being a collector’s item!
  12. Nissan GT-R: this will be the matching numbers, L-88 Corvette for the next generation.
  13. Lexus LFA: see above, except change L-88 to ZL-l.
  14. Anything HUMMER: yes, it’s already a dead brand, but SUVs will do well in the collector car market of our future.  And there’s no better SUV statement than the Hummer H2 Alpha, especially in douchebag yellow.
  15. Any BMW M product:  Most every M3 will command a high dollar in tommorow’s import centric collector car market.  Who hasn’t loved driving one?  Who wouldn’t want one when they have more disposable income? My favorite will be the E39 M5.
  16. Anything AMG: see above.
  17. Anything AMG Black Series: see above, and multiply by 5.
  18. Porsche Boxster/Cayman:  they sell many more Porkers these days…which makes for a bigger following. Maybe not muscle car big, but you get the point. And with a more accessible market today comes a hotter collector market in the future.
  19. Mercury Marauder, anything Panther:  okay, this is total bullshit. But if I say “PANTHER LOVE” enough for the next 30 years…right???
Food for thought.  Have a great Christmas Day!

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52 Comments on “Piston Slap: Modern Sleeper, Future Classic?...”

  • avatar

    That’s quite a list! I guess every era has its heroes and zeroes.
    My nephew just picked up a Supra he is building out and when you get down to the technical nitty gritty, these cares were BUILT!

    Regarding the Cougar, I had an ’86 and thought it was a fabulously styled car. It had the anemic V6 but was a good car all around. My 88 T-bird Turbo Coupe was a great car as well. I would call it a classic for sure. Those two were my only foray into Ford-dom and I must say, it was a good one at that. Happy Holidays!

    • 0 avatar

      I also really like those Turbo Coupe T Birds as well. My friend really wanted one, an it would have been his first car. But Dad was supplying some of the cash, so it had to be Japanese or no money….ended up with a 87 4Runner…

    • 0 avatar
      MRF 95 T-Bird

      I would think 83-88 FOX Body T-Bird’s and Cougar’s would be future classics especially Turbo Coupes, XR-7 versions and most with 5.0. Same goes for 89-97 MN-12 T-Bird’s and Cougar’s In particular SC and 5.0 and 4.6 versions.

      Add the Lincoln Mark VII and VIII to the future collectable list as well. Sadly Lincoln’s last coupes, well for now.

  • avatar

    How about Pontiac G8s and Holden-based GTOs or 1989-2005 Taurus SHOs?

    • 0 avatar

      Good call on the Holden Pontiacs, especially the very rare G8 GXP. I’m inclined to agree with the SHO too, but only through 1995 – the ovoid V8 models are a little too weird and slow, and will probably only be as collectable as a Gremlin X is today.

  • avatar

    Fisker might not make it, but as arguably the best looking sedan made so far this century the Karma will have a following. It will likely be easy to keep on the road also (unless it catches on fire) since the engine is just a turbo Ecotec, and batteries are just going get cheaper.

    If Tesla makes it then the rebodied Elises that the company started with are going to be a hot commodity.

    I think that some of the cars Sanjeev names above are not going to be cheap enough for a middle-income buyer to maintain and fuel, and not be rare special enough for a wealthy collector to care about. They will therefore fall into the same black hole of depreciation as a BMW 7-series. I’m looking at you non-special edition BMW M, non-Black Series AMG and Hummer H2/H3. The Black Series, certain unique BMW M cars and the military spec Hummer H1 will find wealthy collectors.

    The interesting thing will be how technology changes the classic car market. Global procurement through eBay, etc., many manuals and workbooks online, increasing availability of 3D printing, increasingly economically justifiably small scale body panel stamping, cheap batteries and electric motors (e.g. electric Cayman post IMS failure), natural gas conversion kits (e.g. natty gas Panther), etc.

    • 0 avatar

      True military-spec H1s (i.e. ex National Guard vehicles) are dead affordable. We could’ve gotten one a few weeks ago at BSC America in Tallahassee for $8500, but why?

  • avatar

    Can anything AMG last long enough to become a collector car? Everyone seems to regret ever buying one. Do you have to put it in storage and bring it out after 15 years or more?

    • 0 avatar

      You know who regrets buying one? The guy who picks up a beat to hell 10 year old car for the price of a lightly used Civic. He thinks why buy a Civic when he can have an AMG Benz. Then when the first $2000 repair bill comes in they are pissed off because they didn’t know what they are buying. Yes repair bills on $100K+ cars can be expensive.

      The AMG cars are actually pretty reliable. They are very well built. It’s just when something does break, it is expensive to repair.

  • avatar

    You can’t be serious about the Genesis.

  • avatar

    Definitely agree with the CTS-V being on this list

    Part of how I rationalized buying a 2011 CTS-V Black Diamond Edition Wagon

    They made this particular version, as a unique model only in 2011

    In 2012 and 2013, you could get all the pieces, Recaros, Brembo brakes, and Black Diamond paint, all as ala carte options, not as a special model

    I understand the wagon will not be built in 2014

    I have not been able to get actual production figures, but I believe there have to have been fewer than a dozen of these things built

    I totally agree that it is a sleeper, lot of folks I have encountered will vouch for that, not even knowing what ran away from them

    …and I fully expect to sell it at Barrett-Jackson one day

    • 0 avatar

      For all I rag on the CTS-V wagon, this car is going to be worth an absolute fortune in the future and will be remembered fondly. It is the 21st century Hemi ‘Cuda convertible. Treat it well. I am fortunate enough to have driven one at very high speeds in wine country once upon a time. Merry Christmas.

  • avatar

    “Am I expecting the Cougar to be somewhat valuable 20 years from now?”

    I guess it depends what you mean by “somewhat valuable”. You won’t be able to retire on it, but it might surprise you. I’ve been to a couple local classic car auctions, and just basic stuff like a 301 Grand Prix or SJ Jeep Cherokee usually brings okay cash.

    Then again, original condition seems to be a major selling point, and your Cougar has some updates.

    But, that Cadillac Series 75 you own is worthless and you should definitely put it on ebay.

    • 0 avatar

      I recently went to a car auction that had a black 1979 Grand Prix SJ with 301 4BBL and 4 speed stick and those attractive snow flake alloys wheels, which is a rather rare combo, sell for 12,500. It was mint and only had 36k miles but that was about 5 grand more than I thought it would have sold for.

  • avatar

    Here’s hoping on #6.

    My early-build (June 2004) 2005 Scion xB is now over 8 years old. Just crossed 60k miles. Retail value appears to be around $7500, or 50% of what it cost new. Not bad for an 8-year-old econo-box!

    The current plan involves me driving it another 5 years, to 110-120k. If I can still sell it for three grand, it will turn out to be my smartest automotive purchase ever. If it becomes the cult classic it seems to be headed towards, maybe I will sell it for even more.

  • avatar

    what about the VW Corrado??(I think thats how it was spelled)

    • 0 avatar

      I think the Corrado will be more valuable than same-year GTIs, but not a lot more. When you imagine the future collector market for VWs, I expect to see GTIs as modest collectibles (just like early GTIs today), and then the Corrado is clearly the same as a Scirocco: just a tad more special than the GTI.

      But I bet New Beetles, especially the turbo and diesel versions, are the cars with the most disproportionate demand in the future. 20 years from now, there will be people with nice survivor-grade 1999 Beetles rolling them out at car shows, and the same-era Jettas and Golfs will be valued as parts donors to Beetles and GTIs.

  • avatar

    “Am I expecting the Cougar to be somewhat valuable 20 years from now? No, and I don’t care either.”

    Amen. The world is full of guys looking to make a dollar off vehicles. Love of your car is the only reason you need to keep your classic. That being said, maybe I should start babying my Xb since it’s made the list – Xb, really?

  • avatar

    The ultimate factor in collect-ability is rarity. Cars that had very low production numbers will be at the top of the list, either because they didn’t sell particularly well for one reason or another or because they were priced beyond the means of all but a few buyers. The second set of rarity will be cars that had larger production runs, but mint condition low mileage examples are difficult to find. Like finding an unusual muscle car that hasn’t been modified, thrashed or wrapped around a tree.

    I used to speculate that the pinnacle of the SUV category would be collectible in 20 or 30 years as gas prices soared and all of the kids who listened to all of the hip hop songs talking about Escalades or Navigators or Hummers reach middle age and want to re-live their youth. The problem with this theory is that they made so damn many of them.

    I ended up picking up a 2001 BMW M Coupe with 45k miles and the S54 engine. Including the exterior and interior color combo…it is one of 23. BMW only built 678 S54 M Coupes total…so we’re talking production numbers that are about the same as 1970 Plymouth Cuda’s with the 426 Hemi in it. Mint low mileage 01 and 02 S54 M Coupes are selling today for about 70% of their original MSRP and along with the E30 M3 have held their values the best of BMW cars. I’m hoping that I can enjoy it for a few years and maybe get back what I paid for it. If I’m really lucky…perhaps a little more.

  • avatar

    Jaguar deserves to be on that list.

  • avatar
    Steven Lang

    Garage queens of every stripe always have a varying level of collectible status.

    Sajeev has a pretty solid list. I’ll add three cars from the 1990’s that I believe will be collectible, and three others that will serve as common beaters for at least another 10 years.


    1) Buick Roadmaster Station Wagon: These models are already emerging as the ultimate 1990’s classic car. Only to be supplanted by the…

    2) Dodge Viper: The early run models will likely be the most sought after. You can feel free to add the Acura NSX and the Chevy Corvette ZR1 with the Mercury Marine engine into this mix. But those are a bit too high end for the average middle-class collector du jour. A better choice for those looking at the economics of an oldie is…

    3) 1995-1997 Lincoln Town Car: These models have a distinctive American exterior that no car from this era compares to. The later models offer far better interiors and the OBDII capabilities of the last two years which should make them easy to keep. The Impala SS will likely follow a far stronger trajectory of value. But I doubt they will be affordable a decade from now.

    Three 1990’s models that will be driven into the ground…

    1) Volvo 850: You do have the R editions and a long list of other unique models. But these vehicles offer parents increased safety over other 1990’s models. Decent fuel economy. Plus they are far more feature laden than most other midsized rides which make them a great fit for first car status. These will be driven into the ground along with every other well-made Volvo from the 1990’s.

    2) Accord/Camry/Altima: Great cars from the 1990’s with absolutely no collectible status to them. They will be to the market of tomorrow what the Cutlass Supreme is to the market of today. Fly rides for those seeking a last gasp of automotive equity.

    3) Saturn Anything: GM may have looked up to the Sky for salvation. But Saturn has the unique distinction of offering designs that are far too derivative and generic to sustain any real level of interest. The early 1st gen S-Series may have some status for simply being the first. But I don’t see any Saturn of any ilk doing anything more than eventually recycling their innards for the Chinese washing machine industry.

  • avatar

    “Supply and demand”, rules every market for, everything. Future collectibles? Pick a car that everybody modifies. Then find one that hasn’t been modified. Keep it. In a few years, you will own one of the very few.

    • 0 avatar

      Exactly. One of the reasons I didn’t want an xB was because everyone ELSE had one. So when they get riced, raced, and wrecked, nice clean ones are more valuable to thieves for parts.

      So i got an xA. Slightly smaller, slightly cheaper red-haired stepchild. My 5 speed baby Matrix :)

  • avatar

    Steve Lang is correct, the Impala SS from the mid 1990s belongs on the list. You mentioned the Marauder, which is rarer than the B body Impala, but the Impala already has a body of enthusiasts.

    Look at the mid ’50s cars. The ’55 & ’56 Packards are great looking cars, but today they’re usually not nearly as in demand by collectors as Chevys and Fords. I know about a 100% complete (with all the very hard to find trim) and solid ’56 Packard Patrician barn find that was fully optioned, even has A/C, and it’s for sale @ $5,750. Would a solid ’56 Chevy barn find go for that cheap?

    You can’t put together a formula on what will make a car collectible. There’s all the empirical stuff like rarity and provenance, but ultimately it’s a good story that makes cars valuable. There are much rarer cars than Tuckers that don’t fetch a fraction of their prices. Maybe if someone made a conspiracy hinting movie about Powell Crosley, the diminutive cars might rocket in price.

  • avatar

    That’s an excellent list, but I’m not so sure about Genesis as being a classic of the future. I could also add Saab to that list as the classic 900 and some of the 90’s models could end up somewhat collectible.

    Real Porsches will continue to appreciate as VW continues to ruin, err water down, err *cough*, diversify the brand. I think you’re wrong about the Panther, clean examples and special editions like Marauder will do well, maybe not Ferrari money, but they will do well. From what I have read about zee Germans, you may not have too many properly running AMGs and Ms (and Porsches real or fake) in the future unless somehow those models are built to last and not break/leak/explode as their un-special edition cousins. So if somehow you have a clean one that runs properly it would be valuable I suppose.

    Personally I see these and anything that could be interpreted as modern ‘American Muscle’ doing very well in the 20-30 years ahead of us as I suspect the nanny state will completely neuter the automobile industry through various environmental edicts and unrealistic safety standards. So gentleman stock up on some of the last real cars while you can.

    • 0 avatar
      bumpy ii

      Collectibility is driven by low supply, and high desirability. The “real cars” you covet will only have value if more than a handful of people actually *want* them in 2045. Remember, most people who want them now will be dead by then.

  • avatar

    The integra? Maybe because all the models that were actually driven rusted away. I’m mixed on the genesis as well. How many tiberons are lusted after? The Supra’s popular because of fast and furious not it’s RWD. Consider the popularity of the SC and Cressida in relation to the Supra.

  • avatar

    Here’s a question along these lines for the B&B…

    We know full well that cars like the Bugatti Veyron, Ford GT, Mercedes/McClarin SLR etc.. will be pulling down Stupid-Huge money crossing the Gooding auction-block in fifty years time, we all know this, hell most of their current owners probably bought these cars Banking on that.

    But, given that, and given how valuable those cars were to start with, and the current attitudes about keeping high-end cars high-end… well, we know Those cars are all or almost all safe and secure in climate-controlled storage.

    Here’s the question, what will be, in 20-30-50 years time, the premiere Barn Find car? Given how much modern cars rely on electronics and proprietary programming, which cars are most likely to be found under a tarp in some rural Indiana garage under decades of detritus in 2062 that’ll make the classic car guy go, “Oh My God! It’s one of Those! Look at the Patina! Numbers Matching to, I can’t wait to pull this out and pour money into it’s restoration!”

  • avatar


    You missed some really big ones:

    1. bubble Caprice. A truly cool looking car. Especially in cop regalia. The wagons are also really cool.

    2. Volvo brick style. Absolutely iconic. Loads of personality.

    3. the early Subaru Foresters. They are the plaid flannel shirt of automotive style, and although I dislike plaid flannel shirts, they’re loaded with character, and character is what makes a classic.

    4. First generation Saturn SL2. Why not the SL1? Because of the crappy bumpers. But the first gen SL2 was a really sporty looking car.

    I don’t think anything Mitsu will fetch money or attention. Their style is crap.

    Lexus–some, others no. A lot of them have about as much character as a dishwasher.

  • avatar

    The problem is everyone is speculating/hording and it’s probably not the car anyone suspects. In fact, it’s probably not even a car…

    Yep, muscle trucks. 454 SS? Syclone? Typhoon? SRT-10? Lightning? Dakota R/T? Raptor?

    • 0 avatar

      This… Collectors pay exorbitant mark-ups and stow their cars away hoping for a big ROI.

      It pleases me greatly that the average transaction price for a 2007-2009 GT500 is around 25-30k in light of some of these rubes forking over 80k+.

      • 0 avatar

        Serves them right. 2003/4 Cobras must be really cheap now and besides, 390 HP isn’t much to brag about any more. Their contemporary style might be favored by collectors, but it’s that damn compressor whine that does it for me! The Tremec 6 speed is a plus not to mention a simple pulley and tune takes them to 450 HP.

    • 0 avatar

      Good point… I mean we know that SUV/CUV/Pickup-Sales are surprisingly high, largely because they most mimmick the driving experience of generations-old automobiles. Every collecter buys the car they wanted when they were young but didn’t have the money for… will we see that reflected in this and the previous generation’s purchases of Camcords and the like giving-way to the purchase of ‘Muscle-Trucks’ off Mecum in twenty years time?

  • avatar

    Just like the CJ-8 Scramblers that are bringing a bunch of money of late, I fully expect the 2005/2006 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimiteds to be worth something to Jeep collectors/enthusiasts down the road.

  • avatar

    You cut me deep with that Mark Z comment… you cut me deep.

  • avatar
    Land Ark

    I think about this a lot. It seems any car I ever decide I want ends up having a high value whenever I want it.
    My list of future collectibles:
    Chrysler Conquest
    FD RX7
    300zx twin turbo
    Audi RSes
    G8 and Solstice GXP
    2005 manual Subaru Legacy GT wagons
    RSX Type S
    Cobalt SS turbo
    Eclipse GSX
    S2000 CR

    • 0 avatar

      Ahhh yes the Chrysler Conquest / Mitsubishi Starion: I still lust for one of those. I had an Eclipse GS-T (not the GSX) and other then engine the rest of the car was a bit of a let down. Add the NSX and Supra to your list and its my wet dream of 80s/90s era vehicles I’d love to own.

  • avatar
    Matt Fink

    Great list. What about a 1989-1998 Toyota MR2? I also wonder about the Miata. Is there just too many of them around to be collectable?

  • avatar

    I completely agree with your post about the Cadillac V-Series. A close family friend of ours has a 2006 Cadillac STS-V, and I believe there were only 2,503 STS-V’s ever built.

    You’re also right about the Fisker Karma because at the rate that company’s going, it’s going to be extinct within the next year, with whatever pathetic amount of cars it has produced that haven’t burned to the ground…

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    The 1st owner of my 350Z must have thought it was going to be worth something down the road. As the car was garage kept and had silly low mileage (18k after 10 years!) plus every possible option including the door sills and mud flaps. Alas… these cars are a dime a dozen really, but at some point when the last one has been modified/tuned/tracked to near death an ’03 Z in mint condition (in Brickyard Red, the rarest color) will be valuable to someone. Just this weekend I talked to guy who, after seeing mine, mentioned how much he missed his – and his current garage holds a SVT Mustang and a SRT Hemi Charger – two future collectables in their own right.

    I’d think an original Insight will be a collector item at some point. Same goes for Solstice Coupe as only around 1,000 were built. How many SVO Mustangs were made, you know the turbo ones? The problem is most cars, even “special editions” are so mass produced these days that nothing is rare – even options are packaged/sold in such a way that finding an odd ball is difficult.

    As someone mentioned above the truck market might be the only place were such combos could still create a “one off” vehicle. For example a Dodge R/T in two tone with Patriot Blue over Desert Sand would be a good place to start. I have a Dakota and every now and then on the various forums/user groups a list would circulate of the “never ordered together” combos like I mentioned would make all the members drool. Some are just super rare: like the Shelly Dakota and the convertible Dakota. Very few were made but they are not really classics or actually desirable to wide a range of folks.

  • avatar

    Some cool choices Sajeev, such as the CRX and unmolested WRX-STi. In my complete self interest as a Lexus GS400 owner, I’ll agree on the Lexus coupes and V8 sedans. Since V8s are now only found in high-end cars, I can see good examples of the GS/LS/SC leveling off on the depreciation curve in the next couple years.

  • avatar

    One more for the sleeper/collector list: supercharged 3800s, and especially the Buicks, will be the great survivors of the era. Every other Regal will become a parts donor for these things.

    Also, +1 to the mentions of the Jaguars (almost all of them, on their looks alone), and the Roadmaster wagons. I think the price of an LT1 Roadmaster wagon in good shape is still $4-5k, and I will guess that’s near the valley of their low value.

    Miatas? Heck yes! Think of these as the 1960s Mustangs of their era: lots were made, lots of people want them. I’m guessing the first-gen MX-5s have another decade in the Valley of Depreciation before they become the equivalent of today’s first-gen Mustang.

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    -CTS V and far moreso, the wagon.
    -Solstice GXP and hardtop, as well as G8 GXP due to rarity.
    -C5 ZR1, special edition vettes are a given.
    -Chevy Volt after its drivetrain becomes the standard of future autos.
    -Cockroach cars that will vanish and become “fun” collector cars: K cars, 1st gen Taurii, Bubble Caprice and wagon siblings, CVPI/Marauder, Geo Metro convertable
    -Tuner cars: EG Civics and other popular Honda tuners, 1st gen Miata, 1st gen xB, WRX and EVO.
    -MkIV Supra, NSX, Integra TypeR, and FD RX7 were the most desired and rare cars of their day. Cars got heavier and less fun after this. They will be more in demand in the future.
    -Any Z car has a following to a lesser extent.
    -“Drifter” cars will be in demand when their current owners need to re-live their youth and find that they are all gone: AE86 Corolla, 240sx, FC Rx7 and perhaps Toyobaru.
    -Cars that are already popular that will increase in value substantially: GMC Ty/Sy, Bandit T/A, Delorean, VW (old) beetle/bus, 80’s Testarossa.
    -Hummer H1/H2, Avalanche, F150 King Ranch or HD, and MAYBE the Escalade will be the only SUV/trucks anyone cares about.

    Discrepancies on Sajeev’s list:
    -Lexus Coupes, V8 sedans: I just don’t think they will have enough fans in the future.
    -BMW M: Excluding E36 and prior, same as above. Not enough desire to be worth maintaining and commanding a following.
    -AMG stuff: Same as above, to a greater extent. Complex and expensive to maintain. Unobtainable parts. These will not be fun at all to own in the future. They aren’t pretty enough to just sit there and look at like art.
    -Hyundai Genesis: Fishface won’t age well. Consumers don’t care about them now really, and that won’t change. They don’t have much impact now and will be forgotten.
    -Tesla, Fiskers: Non-starter cars that will be forgotten. They will just be rare. Will rarity alone be enough to make them collectable? I don’t think so.
    -Dodge SRT products: The MOPAR following won’t be what it used to be. Challenger and 300C excluded.

  • avatar

    Just ‘rare’ doesn’t mean much. It likely has to be a special edition AND rare model of a popular, high volume car or truck, in addition to a special HO engine, rare options and or colors.

    As mentioned, it also needs to be highly sought after and desired. If no one or not enough people (sheeple?) in the future know what the heck a Solstice is or G8 for that matter, it does them no good.

    Even then, if too many speculators hoard/bubble wrap the few ‘SS whatevers’ built, it also does them no good.

    Most of the SVOs I see are tore up, but I didn’t buy mine for ROI. They’re getting pretty scarce on the street though, but I’ve seen 2 in Tijuana. Besides mine.

  • avatar

    I know you said that the Corvette is obvious, but I’m still going to throw this one in there:

    C4 ZR-1. (yes, it has the hyphen)

    In my opinion, woefully undervalued right now, at its value bottom, and set to increase in value dramatically over the next 10-20 years. I’m thinking about putting my money where my mouth is and storing a good low mileage one.

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    Mid-1990’s Impala SS’s were collectible right out of the showroom. They’ve held their resale value from Day 1, like the late Buick Grand Nationals.

    One thing that gave the muscle cars a boost was the Malaise Era and the slow, sluggish heaps it spawned. It was the first era where the cars were inferior in many ways to their predecessors and kept getting worse every year. Even the Ferrari 308 GTS with its Magnum provenance is a dog in the market these days, especially when a V6 Camcord can smoke it. Same for Rolls-Royces and Bentleys save the Turbo R. A Silver Spirit may have been more expensive than a Mercedes S-class but was a vastly inferior car.

    Current Ferraris and Lamborghinis will have no problem in the market of the future. The latest Rollers and Bentleys will be fine as well, because they’re once again something special.

    Corvettes? C4 ZR-1’s and Grand Sports, C5 and C6 Z06’s and the current ZR-1’s should be safe bets. And of course, a well-kept standard car should hold its value well, as they always have.

    It’s hard to predict what’s going to be a hit especially when you see even standard 1960’s cars in top condition commanding premium prices. A 1970 Chevelle SS LS-6 may be out of reach but a 350 Malibu hardtop of the same vintage ain’t cheap, either.

    Sometimes a car has value because it’s old and still runs.

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