Piston Slap: Gender-based Automotive Discrimination?

Sajeev Mehta
by Sajeev Mehta

Brian writes:

Hi Sajeev,

Love reading TTAC – thanks for all the entertainment. Responding to your request for more stupid questions, I have one ripe for pontification.

I am a (male) small business owner with two small children and I’m looking for a new vehicle. I’m a big guy and with all the stuff kids have, I can’t get something too small. Nevertheless, in my search I’ve been toying lately with this question: What makes a car “manly/masculine” or “girly/feminine”? I understand that a two ton hunk of metal cannot in itself take on gender-specific characteristics, but there are definitely cars that women tend to call “cute” and cars that men tend to look at as “awesome”. Can anyone really look me in the eye and tell me that a VW Jetta or a small SUV strikes them as “manly”?

But picking such a car before hearing the reactions almost seems counter-intuitive. At first glance you may think that mustang coupes would be “manly”, but lately it seems that more women are buying them than men. SUVs are supposed to be big and tough, but more women use them for carpool duty than for off-road or towing duty. Same problem with trucks these days or, for that matter, just about any other segment. All the online lists of “manly” cars seem to detail special trims of expensive, ostentatious, or otherwise impractical vehicles with twice the horsepower I need. Below the 50k mark, are there any “manly” somewhat normal family-capable cars out there? Does a car have to have some exclusivity to it (i.e. either by price, customization, or a limited edition)? Is it a matter of power/engine/trim (i.e. Audi A4 vs. S4)? Color choice (interior/exterior)? Does size REALLY matter?

Are there elements of car design that tend to appeal more to men than women (or vice versa)?

I know, the answer can largely be in the eye of the beholder, and I’m interested in your opinion. Call me shallow, but I covet the envious stares of others on the road.


Sajeev Answers:

Fantastic question! It’s rather stupid, but guess who’s also feelin’ stupid???

Rarely have I coveted the “envious stares of others on the road”, which is probably why I have little desire for access to automaker’s press fleets. But I see your point: I referred to my Ford Ranger as a “truck” at the last Houston LeMons race and Murilee Martin said, “that doesn’t count as a truck, we’re in Texas!”

Murilee has a point, and so do you. Manly-Womanly cars exist at every price point: a used up Crown Vic Police Interceptor is worth as much a fully depreciated, neglected New Beetle at a car auction. You can buy a TRD-fettled Toyota truck for the price of a loaded Miata. A trophy wife’s Mercedes SL is on par with a fancyboy’s M5.

To use your own words, some men like “cute” just as much as women. Some women love “awesome” as much as men. I’ve seen many women enjoying HUMMER branded SUVs (see how I avoided the double entrende there?) and I know several men who drive Miatas. And those men are far from the racing, corner devouring type, mind you. Need I say more?

This is America, a place where people are free to enjoy just about anything they’d like! I take pleasure in making fun of people for their automotive choices, but I usually go beyond the gender thing. It’s more fun to make the tree-hugger-Prius joke, the old-man-Corvette joke, the overcompensating-Ed-Hardy-Aston-Martin joke…or the overcompensating-lifted-4×4-but-dirt-free-spotless-pickup joke.

And if that offended your delicate sensibilities, just remember we have a lot more serious problems in the world. Hate crimes, mass killings, finger-pointing in Washington, etc…the list just goes on and on.

Have fun with this one, Best and Brightest!

Send your queries to sajeev@thetruthaboutcars.com. Spare no details and ask for a speedy resolution if you’re in a hurry.

Sajeev Mehta
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  • Daveainchina Daveainchina on Jun 18, 2012

    I think Ryoku has hit the nail on the proverbial head. Successful dads are family men. And nothing is more family oriented and manly than a station wagon. Sadly these don't really exist anymore. Isn't there a Caravan that is supposed to be "manly" R/T version I think.

  • Adame24 Adame24 on Jun 19, 2012

    About 10 years ago I helped a woman in her 70s carry her shopping bags to her car at the job I had then. She just spent about $3000 on cashmere sweaters so I knew she had money. As I'm walking to her car I'm expecting a luxury car, like S Class or 7 series. She drove a brand new at the time e39 M5. Those only came with manuel transmissions. So she was not just driving it because she liked the color or the wheels. This to me was a masculine car and granny drove it.

  • Alan Well, it will take 30 years to fix Nissan up after the Renault Alliance reduced Nissan to a paltry mess.I think Nissan will eventually improve.
  • Alan This will be overpriced for what it offers.I think the "Western" auto manufacturers rip off the consumer with the Thai and Chinese made vehicles.A Chinese made Model 3 in Australia is over $70k AUD(for 1995 $45k USD) which is far more expensive than a similar Chinesium EV of equal or better quality and loaded with goodies.Chinese pickups are $20k to $30k cheaper than Thai built pickups from Ford and the Japanese brands. Who's ripping who off?
  • Alan Years ago Jack Baruth held a "competition" for a piece from the B&B on the oddest pickup story (or something like that). I think 5 people were awarded the prizes.I never received mine, something about being in Australia. If TTAC is global how do you offer prizes to those overseas or are we omitted on the sly from competing?In the end I lost significant respect for Baruth.
  • Alan My view is there are good vehicles from most manufacturers that are worth looking at second hand.I can tell you I don't recommend anything from the Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat/etc gene pool. Toyotas are overly expensive second hand for what they offer, but they seem to be reliable enough.I have a friend who swears by secondhand Subarus and so far he seems to not have had too many issue.As Lou stated many utes, pickups and real SUVs (4x4) seem quite good.
  • 28-Cars-Later So is there some kind of undiagnosed disease where every rando thinks their POS is actually valuable?83K miles Ok.new valve cover gasket.Eh, it happens with age. spark plugsOkay, we probably had to be kewl and put in aftermarket iridium plugs, because EVO.new catalytic converterUh, yeah that's bad at 80Kish. Auto tranny failing. From the ad: the SST fails in one of the following ways:Clutch slip has turned into; multiple codes being thrown, shifting a gear or 2 in manual mode (2-3 or 2-4), and limp mode.Codes include: P2733 P2809 P183D P1871Ok that's really bad. So between this and the cat it suggests to me someone jacked up the car real good hooning it, because EVO, and since its not a Toyota it doesn't respond well to hard abuse over time.$20,000, what? Pesos? Zimbabwe Dollars?Try $2,000 USD pal. You're fracked dude, park it in da hood and leave the keys in it.BONUS: Comment in the ad: GLWS but I highly doubt you get any action on this car what so ever at that price with the SST on its way out. That trans can be $10k + to repair.
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