As Long As We're On The Subject Of Those Miserable GM FWD Full-Sizers…

Jack Baruth
by Jack Baruth
as long as we re on the subject of those miserable gm fwd full sizers

We don’t have such a thing as “COTD”* on “TTAC”. It’s a shame, too, because without an explicit way to force readers to compete with eachother for an arbitrarily-dispensed, meaningless accolade, you readers out there just won’t grovel at our feet the way we’d like. We’ll work on creating some kind of user rating/slating system, I swear… just as soon as we fix the gallery issues, the Cloudflare business, Ed’s issue with emotional distance, my lovable but ultimately malicious immaturity, and the lack of tall, busty blondes on the staff. I mean, on the roster. Not on the staff. You know. Not that we couldn’t use one or two on the staff. If you know what I mean, and I think you do.

Enough immaturity. In my Fleetwood Talisman review posted yesterday, the subject of GM’s identical B-and-C-cars came up… and a few commenters stepped up to the plate.

The video heading this segment is a famous Lincoln advertisement demonstrating the embiggenedness of the ’86 Town Car. Watch in amazement as a variety of slightly dopey old people try to sort out a hilarious confusion between the Cadillac deVille (or, sadly, Fleetwood of the same year), Buick Electra, and Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight. Watch as the camera focuses, again, and again, and again, on the toy-like C-pillar of the Cadillac. Here’s a shot of an ’85 Fleetwood showing just how ridiculous it looks:

Oh boy. Here’s the Park Avenue:

And, finally, the Ninety-Eight, flipped by yours truly for effect:

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  • VanillaDude VanillaDude on Jul 18, 2011

    What we have here is a company that focused on the technical without recognizing the spiritual. There are a lot of technical reasons for these cars, much of it good and reasonable. What we see today, however, is how soul-less and anticeptic they turned out to be. These cars were not Cadillacs, Oldsmobiles and Buicks - they were Chevrolets and Pontiacs in old people drag. The Cadillac was done in dowager drag, the Oldmobile was done in frump drag, and the Buick was done in Southern drag. Beneath the powdered wigs, girdles, blue hair, leopard skin velour and foundation garments, were Chevies. There is nothing wrong with a Chevrolet, but there is something wrong when a Buick buyer buys a Chevrolet with the Buick option. It isn't a Buick. GM focused on technical issues without considering how to ensure that each division's spirit lived on. What they ended up with were decent sedans interchangable within divisions. That made a mockery of the divisions as well. It should come as no surprise to see Cadillac, Buick and Oldsmobile plateauing and losing sales in the immediate future.

  • Catbert430 Catbert430 on Jul 19, 2011

    "These cars were not Cadillacs, Oldsmobiles and Buicks – they were Chevrolets and Pontiacs in old people drag." Um - except that there were no equivalent Chevrolet or Pontiac models in 1985. Pontiac didn't get a new Bonneville until the following year. There was never a Chevrolet on this platform as far as I know. My Mother-in-law still has a 1986 Olds Delta 88 Royale Brougham. It's in great garage-kept shape. She bought it because it was the only 'luxury car' without those 'darned electric windows'.

  • SCE to AUX Good summary, Matt.I like EVs, but not bans, subsidies, or carbon credits. Let them find their own level.PM Sunak has done a good thing, but I'm surprised at how sensibly early he made the call. Hopefully they'll ban the ban altogether.
  • SCE to AUX "Having spoken to plenty of suppliers over the years, many have told me they tried to adapt to EV production only to be confronted with inconsistent orders."Lofty sales predictions followed by reality.I once worked (very briefly) for a key supplier to Segway, back when "Ginger" was going to change the world. Many suppliers like us tooled up to support sales in the millions, only to sell thousands - and then went bankrupt.
  • SCE to AUX "all-electric vehicles, resulting in a scenario where automakers need fewer traditional suppliers"Is that really true? Fewer traditional suppliers, but they'll be replaced with other suppliers. You won't have the myriad of parts for an internal combustion engine and its accessories (exhaust, sensors), but you still have gear reducers (sometimes two or three), electric motors with lots of internal components, motor mounts, cooling systems, and switchgear.Battery packs aren't so simple, either, and the fire recalls show that quality control is paramount.The rest of the vehicle is pretty much the same - suspension, brakes, body, etc.
  • Theflyersfan As crazy as the NE/Mid-Atlantic I-95 corridor drivers can be, for the most part they pay attention and there aren't too many stupid games. I think at times it's just too crowded for that stuff. I've lived all over the US and the worst drivers are in parts of the Midwest. As I've mentioned before, Ohio drivers have ZERO lane discipline when it comes to cruising, merging, and exiting. And I've just seen it in this area (Louisville) where many drivers have literally no idea how to merge. I've never seen an area where drivers have no problems merging onto an interstate at 30 mph right in front of you. There are some gruesome wrecks at these merge points because it looks like drivers are just too timid to merge and speed up correctly. And the weaving and merging at cloverleaf exits (which in this day and age need to all go away) borders on comical in that no one has a bloody clue of let car merge in, you merge right to exit, and then someone repeats behind you. That way traffic moves. Not a chance here.And for all of the ragging LA drivers get, I found them just fine. It's actually kind of funny watching them rearrange themselves like after a NASCAR caution flag once traffic eases up and they line up, speed up to 80 mph for a few miles, only to come to a dead halt again. I think they are just so used to the mess of freeways and drivers that it's kind of a "we'll get there when we get there..." kind of attitude.
  • Analoggrotto I refuse to comment until Tassos comments.